QA/Meetings/20110404

Attendees

People present (lines said):

• jlaska (164)
• adamw (62)
• CRCinAU (45)
• satellit__ (10)
• robatino (8)
• tflink (7)
• kparal (7)
• vhumpa (6)
• zodbot (5)
• hircus (3)
• Cerlyn (3)
• fenris02 (3)
• rbergeron (3)
• jsmith (3)
• Viking-Ice (2)
• jskladan (1)
• f15_DVD_sugar (1)
• brunowolff (1)

Unable to attend:

1. Rhe (hopefully sleeping)
2. Hongqing (hopefully sleeping)
3. Twu (hopefully sleeping)

Agenda

• Proposed meeting agenda
• MeetBot summary

Previous meeting follow-up

1. adamwill and vhumpa rescheduled GnomeShell #3 for April 21
2. tflink and adamwill handled announcements (test-announce and blog) for Printing test day
3. tflink looked into stale -pending tags and determine whether autoqa or bodhi bug ... good news, false alarm (see https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2011-March/001849.html)
4. nirik updated the nightly-composes directory to eliminate any 404's and use index.html (see http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/)

F-15-Beta TC1 status

• We have until Wednesday (2011-04-06) to complete testing of the installation and desktop matrices
• Add test results at
• Monitor proposed and accepted blocker bugs ...
  • http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-proposed
  • http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-accepted
• ACTION: adamw will add a 'gnome fallback mode' to the F-15-Beta Desktop test matrix
• ACTION: jlaska to discuss next anaconda build with clumens for RC1
• ACTION: jlaska review installer beta blockers, discuss w/ adamw on need for TC2 test images

Upcoming QA events

Thursday, April 7 - F-15-Beta RC1

• Request: task#40
• STATUS: INPROGRESS

Friday, April 8 - F-15-Beta Blocker #5

• Request: unscheduled
• STATUS: INPROGRESS
• http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-proposed
• http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-accepted
• AdamW noted that the meeting was not in the schedule. Rbergeron took action to add blocker reviews to the friday after RC1 creation.

Thursday, April 14 - Virtualization Test Day

• Request: fedora-qa#162
• STATUS: INPROGRESS
• Jlaska will check-in with jforbes to see if any assistance is needed

Open discussion - <Your topic here>

RHBZ #689291

• Request: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=689291
• The team discussed the bug and recommended removing F15Beta if this only impacts a single router. Also, add this to CommonBugs to be documented for any others who may encounter the problem.

Nitrate project status

• Request: Cerlyn asked for status on the Nitrate project
• Jlaska noted that the nitrate-devel team has a package going through review (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=690728)
• Jlaska noted that we are requesting space to host a demo nitrate instance (see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2673)
• Cerlyn asked if nitrate would be used to verify Fedora 15. AdamW responded it would not be. Jlaska added it will hopefully be used as a demonstration, but it likely won't be officially used for Fedora 15 testing.

Problems building delta-ISO images?

• Request: CRCinAU noted that robatino was having trouble building delta-ISO images on alt.fp.org.
• Robatino confirmed that he was no longer having issues, but was manually working around the lack of

Action items

1. adamw will add a 'gnome fallback mode' to the F-15-Beta Desktop test matrix
2. jlaska to discuss next anaconda build with clumens for RC1
3. jlaska review installer beta blockers, discuss w/ adamw on need for TC2 test images
4. jlaska will check-in with jforbes on the upcoming Virtualization test day

IRC Log

jlaska	#startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting	15:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Apr 4 15:00:32 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	15:00
jlaska	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	15:00
jlaska	#topic Roll Call!	15:00
jlaska	adamw: hey there	15:00
* tflink is here		15:00
jlaska	hey tflink	15:01
* vhumpa jumps in		15:01
* kparal present		15:01
* adamw still here		15:01
jlaska	:)	15:01
* hircus here		15:01
jlaska	hey vhumpa kparal hircus	15:01
* jskladan lurks		15:02
* satellit__ lurking		15:02
jlaska	hello lurkers! :)	15:02
jlaska	one more minute, and we'll get this party started	15:02
* rbergeron gets out the party horns		15:03
jlaska	:)	15:03
jlaska	anyone else lurking (robatino, Viking-Ice)?	15:03
* robatino is here		15:03
jlaska	howdy	15:04
jlaska	#topic Previous meeting follow-up	15:04
jlaska	one sec ... wiki not responding	15:04
jlaska	#info adamwill and vhumpa rescheduled Gnome Shell test day to April 21	15:05
jlaska	thanks gents	15:05
jlaska	#info tflink to handle announcements for Printing test day	15:05
jlaska	thanks tflink and adamwill for getting the word out for the printing event	15:05
adamw	yay printing	15:06
jlaska	#info tflink looking into stale -pending tags and determine whether autoqa or bodhi bug	15:06
jlaska	iirc, tflink posted the response to autoqa-devel@lists.fh.org	15:06
jlaska	I can't access the archives at the moment, yay	15:06
tflink	yep	15:06
jlaska	but I think that's [x] done	15:06
adamw	general yay	15:06
tflink	I spoke too quickly - there were no stale tags	15:06
jlaska	and last one I had was ...	15:06
* hircus noticing shiny new GNOME 3.0 packages in Koji		15:07
jlaska	#info nirik updated nightly-composes directory to eliminate 404's, and add a friendly index.html	15:07
jlaska	tflink: oh right, thanks	15:07
jlaska	#link http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/	15:07
jlaska	iirc, I think kparal might have also helped in tweaking the nightly compose html?	15:08
adamw	yay shiny index.html!	15:08
kparal	jlaska: just the page layout	15:08
adamw	man, i'm running out of yay.	15:08
* kparal learned css basics finally		15:08
jlaska	is it just me, are these links working for others?	15:08
satellit__	work fine	15:09
jlaska	okay, so just my networking	15:09
vhumpa	works great	15:09
fenris02	works ok here	15:09
jlaska	adamw: feed the yay machine	15:09
hircus	looks fine here with Chrome	15:09
jlaska	cool, so hopefully others can assist if any lookups are needed ... I'm unable to get there atm	15:11
jlaska	okay, let's get started ...	15:11
jlaska	#topic F-15-Beta-TC1 status	15:11
jlaska	okay, so this of course doesn't help since I can't access the bug lists	15:11
jlaska	yay, networking back up	15:11
jsmith	Networking is a good thing :-)	15:11
fenris02	has selinux-policy -10 or higher been pushed to stable yet? (required to make the next iso usable)	15:12
jlaska	heh ... zodbot ... catch up	15:13
jlaska	apparently	15:13
jlaska	zodbot: please do the needful	15:13
* fenris02 smirks		15:13
jlaska	#topic F-15-Beta-TC1 status	15:13
jlaska	well, let's forge ahead without zodbot, maybe it will catch up	15:14
adamw	fenris02: yes. (actually, it would never have been a problem for ISO composes, as a 'broken' systemd never made it to stable.)	15:14
jlaska	#link http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-proposed	15:14
jlaska	#link http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-accepted	15:14
adamw	jlaska: uh, it worked.	15:15
jlaska	#link Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test	15:15
adamw	<jlaska> #topic F-15-Beta-TC1 status	15:15
adamw	--- zodbot has changed the topic to: F-15-Beta-TC1 status (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)	15:15
jlaska	#link Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test	15:15
adamw	is what I get in my logs.	15:15
jlaska	cool, a few new faces on the Desktop test matrix	15:15
tflink	yeah, I see it, too	15:15
adamw	jlaska: caillon and jreiser, so not 'new', but new to desktop testing =)	15:15
* rbergeron notes that the intertubes have been broken all to heck all night		15:15
adamw	so on the desktop matrix we have two questionable 'fails'	15:16
adamw	i'm keeping an eye on those	15:16
* jlaska LAAAAAAGGGED		15:16
* jlaska just now catching up		15:16
jlaska	adamw: anyone want to volunteer to #chair here ... the lag is working against me	15:17
vhumpa	Could we also use some help around other desktop environments there, or do we focus completely on Gnome?	15:17
jlaska	sorry, not meant for adamw ... anyone really	15:17
* jsmith could chair, but doesn't really know the agenda, etc.		15:17
adamw	vhumpa: only gnome can block the release	15:18
adamw	oh, and kde	15:18
adamw	vhumpa: but it's always good to check the others	15:18
adamw	i also should add a column to that table for 'gnome fallback mode', which i did for alpha iirc - it seems the best way to ensure both shell and fallback are okay	15:19
vhumpa	adamw: I can do some tests on KDE if needed	15:19
adamw	oh, for alpha i just put (fallback) in brackets with some results. but that seems suboptimal.	15:19
jlaska	#info We have until Wednesday (2011-04-06) to wrap up testing of the installation and desktop matrices	15:19
adamw	vhumpa: sure	15:19
adamw	please do!	15:19
* jlaska runs blocker -> wiki script		15:19
jlaska	#link Current_Release_Blockers	15:19
f15_DVD_sugar	fallback is great when updated on VirtualBox4.0.4OSX	15:19
* jlaska appears caught up on IRC now		15:20
jlaska	#action adamw will add a 'gnome fallback mode' to the F-15-Beta Desktop test matrix	15:20
* vhumpa yays the idea		15:20
jlaska	adamw: I proposed a beta blocker for missing icons in the fallback menus ... assuming those are still covered by our existing menu icon criteria	15:21
jlaska	vhumpa: :)	15:21
satellit__	fallback is fine on Vitrualbox4.0.4 OSX even better when updated 7 missing icons here	15:21
jlaska	the blocker bug counts aren't looking horrible	15:21
adamw	jlaska: i think that's a final blocker, not beta?	15:21
jlaska	anything additional folks would like to highlight with regards to F-15-Beta-TC1 testing?	15:22
adamw	jlaska: from final criteria - "All Applications listed in the desktop menus must have icons which have a consistent appearance and sufficiently high resolution to avoid appearing blurry "	15:22
satellit__	networking does not start as pcizp1 is etho and not started till clicked in VB4	15:22
jlaska	adamw: anything you wanted to call out on #topic ?	15:23
adamw	not really	15:23
vhumpa	adamw: KDE should working doing rather well, considering the presumed user shock from G3 ;)	15:24
jlaska	okay, moving on to next topic	15:24
brunowolff	679486 still seems to be a problem with KDE.	15:25
jlaska	adamw: yeah	15:25
* Viking-Ice joins in late..		15:25
jlaska	thanks all for some good TC1 testing	15:25
jlaska	there still are a fair number of installer bugs that are in ON_QA	15:26
jlaska	I'll try to knock out 4 or so this afternoon	15:26
jlaska	adamw: yeah, I set it as a Final blocker	15:26
jlaska	using that same criteria	15:26
jlaska	adamw: just was confirming that those criteria also applied ot fallback mode	15:26
adamw	jlaska: where are we with getting an updated anaconda?	15:26
* CRCinAU waves		15:26
adamw	jlaska: yeah, as i see it, we treat it as another desktop which can also block release.	15:26
jlaska	adamw: okay	15:27
jlaska	CRCinAU: Viking-Ice hello	15:27
jlaska	adamw: we have an updated anaconda, that didn't land in TC1 as intended. We can request a TC2, but I don't know if that's required at this point, thoughts?	15:28
CRCinAU	did I miss any discussion of bug 689291 or so as yet?	15:28
CRCinAU	as I'm actually here now ;)	15:28
jlaska	CRCinAU: we're not walking the bug list in this meeting	15:28
adamw	jlaska: did the latest-latest land? i'm kinda behind the anaconda state of the art.	15:29
CRCinAU	ah. fair enough then ;)	15:29
jlaska	CRCinAU: but we can highlight specific bugs that aren't getting attention if needed	15:29
jlaska	adamw: I'll circle back w/ clumens after meeting, I suspect there will be another build needed for RC1	15:29
CRCinAU	well, with Dan Williams tips, I managed to find the root cause of https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689291	15:29
jlaska	adamw: do you think a TC2 is appropriate/needed ... or will a boot.iso (nightly build) suffice?	15:30
CRCinAU	it seems NetworkManager barfs with an ipv6 RA of AdvRDNSSLifetime with a value of infinite. It probably shouldn't barf, but any value other than infinite works.	15:30
* jsmith leans towards a TC2 (but isn't nearly as informed as adamw)		15:30
adamw	jlaska: it doesn't look like we have any real game overs, right? so probably don't need tc2	15:30
adamw	CRCinAU: can you maybe hold it until it's on topic?	15:30
jlaska	adamw: that's what I'm seeing, but we can always adjust as needed	15:30
* CRCinAU holds		15:30
adamw	thanks	15:30
jlaska	there isn't a lot of time to absorb a TC2 ... but perhaps we can let the bugs do the talking	15:31
jlaska	#action jlaska to discuss next anaconda build with clumens for RC1	15:31
jlaska	adamw: I'll look at the beta blocking bugs linked from the install page after this meeting, we can talk more in #fedora-qa through the details?	15:32
adamw	sure	15:32
jlaska	#action jlaska review installer beta blockers, discuss w/ adamw on need for TC2 test images	15:32
jlaska	Okay, quick update on upcoming events, and then we'll open up the meeting for discussion	15:32
adamw	CRCinAU: this isn't a blocker review meeting, so unless there's something for the whole qa group to discuss regarding that bug, we don't necessarily need to bring it up	15:32
jlaska	#topic Upcoming QA events	15:33
adamw	CRCinAU: this is just the QA weekly meeting...	15:33
jlaska	#info Thursday, April 7 - F-15-Beta RC1 - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html	15:33
jlaska	Shouldn't be a surprise, but it seems we are on target for an RC1 build later this week	15:33
* CRCinAU nods - but its a rare miracle I'm actually awake at this time of morning - so I *very* rarely make it to any meetings.		15:33
jlaska	In order to compose an RC, all accepted blocker bugs must have tested builds available	15:34
jlaska	If there are any delays, we can certainly adjust and request TC2 instead ... some flexibility may be needed here	15:34
jlaska	any thoughts/comments/concerns on RC1 scheduled for this week?	15:34
adamw	i think we're probably in good shape	15:34
jlaska	next up ...	15:35
jlaska	#info Friday, April 1 - F-15-Beta Blocker #5	15:35
jlaska	oops	15:35
jlaska	#undo	15:35
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jlaska	#info Friday, April 8 - F-15-Beta Blocker #5	15:35
jlaska	there we go	15:35
jlaska	cut'n'paste fail	15:35
jlaska	I don't think we have a blocker review scheduled for this Friday	15:35
jlaska	but I've tentatively listed it here, since I suspect some bug review will probably be needed	15:36
jlaska	and, apologies for slacking during the last 2 meetings. I will be present this week	15:36
jlaska	we do not have any test days scheduled this week ... which is good, so we can focus on Beta tests + bugs	15:37
adamw	yeah, i don't know why we don't schedule one for after the rc.	15:37
adamw	(blocker meeting that is)	15:37
jlaska	adamw: I just assumed it would be needed, and plan on announcing it again anyway	15:37
jlaska	hopefully someone shows up!	15:37
* adamw will		15:37
jlaska	rbergeron: maybe we can add another blocker meeting (for this Friday) to the quality schedule?	15:38
rbergeron	jlaska: yes	15:38
jlaska	#info The next scheduled test day is 2011-04-14 - Virtualization (http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/162)	15:38
* CRCinAU pricks up his ears		15:38
jlaska	rbergeron: sweet, thanks!	15:39
* satellit__ also		15:39
jlaska	Anyone interested in reaching out to jforbes and company on the planned Virtualization test day?	15:39
CRCinAU	and if said test day includes anything Xen ;)	15:39
adamw	he pulled the last one together, so i'm not hugely worried about this	15:40
tflink	CRCinAU: I asked the Xen folks about that, I don't think they were very interested	15:40
adamw	but yeah, we can just give him a quick ping to remind that it's coming up	15:40
* CRCinAU would kill his firstborn for Xen to be native in F15 lol		15:40
jlaska	adamw: I was hoping we could incorporate/recognize some feedback we have from the last 3 virt test day attempts	15:40
jlaska	and try to keep the event more focused	15:40
jlaska	I'll reach out to jforbes in the ticket this week to see what we can do	15:41
jlaska	#action jlaska will check-in with jforbes on the upcoming Virtualization test day	15:41
CRCinAU	alas, it seems that the kernel still isn't ready for that - it seems .40 or so before the stock kernel will be Xen Dom0 capable - so I guess it'll be beyond the test day scope	15:41
adamw	jlaska: sounds good	15:41
jlaska	CRCinAU: seems so	15:41
jlaska	#topic Open discussion - <Your topic here>	15:42
jlaska	Okay gang, it's that time	15:42
CRCinAU	unless patches are obtains out of the stock tree for it	15:42
jlaska	any topics not included in the agenda that need our attention in this meeting?	15:42
Viking-Ice	nothing from me	15:42
* CRCinAU raises his hand		15:42
jlaska	CRCinAU: what's up?	15:42
CRCinAU	this is mainly for adamw, but yeah	15:42
CRCinAU	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689291	15:42
jlaska	#topic Open discussion - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689291	15:43
CRCinAU	its 'maybe, maybe not' blocker atm - I've pretty much found the root cause.	15:43
CRCinAU	it seems NetworkManager or its interactions barf with an IPv6 RA for a AdvRDNSSLifetime of infinity	15:43
CRCinAU	any value other than infinity works as expected.	15:43
adamw	if it only happens if your router is a custom job with non-default settings, i'm not worried.	15:43
adamw	if any actual off-the-shelf router would have that setting...maaaybe.	15:44
CRCinAU	so I have no idea if this will still classify as a blocker or not - as I'm not sure how common this option would be	15:44
jlaska	is this something a *lot* of testers/users will encounter?	15:44
CRCinAU	in fact, not sure how common *anyone* using IPv6 will be.	15:44
adamw	well, i think we agreed anything which hits all ipv6 is probably bad.	15:45
* satellit__ Bend Oregon has it here		15:45
CRCinAU	well, the AdvRDNSSLifetime lifetime can be just about anywhere from 0 to infinite. What the 'normal' setup will be is a mystery to me	15:45
adamw	but given how customized your case is, i'm not sure we can really conclude much from it.	15:45
jlaska	let's ask dcbw in the bug, what his sense is for how common a configuration this is	15:45
adamw	yeah, good idea.	15:45
jlaska	at the very least, you've got something that could land in CommonBugs	15:45
jlaska	anyone else have ideas?	15:45
adamw	still, if it's a straightforward fix, the obvious thing would be to Fix The Damn Thing.	15:45
* CRCinAU nods. it is a bug, but I don't really believe it to be a blocker - as it's not really a case of any IPv6 RA breaks it as I originally thought it to be		15:46
tflink	CRCinAU: there are some private repos for Xen Dom0 capable fedora kernels. check out the xen@lists.fp.o archives	15:47
jlaska	CRCinAU: well, in that case ... you can remove blocks:F15Beta and add keyword:CommonBugs	15:47
CRCinAU	adamw would know about how it fits the criteria for blockers than me ;)	15:47
adamw	let's follow up in the bug.	15:47
adamw	commonbugs is worth keeping, i think.	15:47
adamw	oh, 'and add', doh ;)	15:47
satellit__	nm does not find pci2p1 wired connection on startup with Virtualbox need to click it to start it?	15:47
CRCinAU	the problem is that there don't see to be *any* default type settings for IPv6 as yet :P	15:47
jlaska	satellit__: please hold	15:48
CRCinAU	so really, I'm unsure of the effect - however CommonBugs is probably better.	15:48
adamw	we can wait for dan's feedback.	15:49
CRCinAU	I'm not a NM guru - but it seems like a simple state of NM thinking infinity == expired	15:49
jlaska	#info based on feedback, recommend removing blocks:F15Beta and possibly adding keyword:CommonBugs	15:49
adamw	jlaska: i'd rather keep the blocks for now, so we don't forget to re-check it with more info.	15:50
jlaska	thanks CRCinAU	15:50
jlaska	#topic Open discussion - <Your topic here>	15:50
jlaska	any other discussion topics that we need to review in this meeting?	15:50
Cerlyn	What is the status of the Nitrate/Fedora TCMS move?	15:51
* jlaska lagging again		15:51
jlaska	Cerlyn: the nitrate package is going through package review, and we are working with infrastructure to setup a pilot demo instance	15:51
jlaska	.bug 690728	15:52
zodbot	jlaska: Bug 690728 Review Request: Nitrate - A test case management system written in Django - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=690728	15:52
jlaska	#link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2673	15:52
jlaska	Cerlyn: does that help?	15:53
Cerlyn	a bit; I presume we aren't going to use it for F15 testing at this point then?	15:53
adamw	i wouldn't think so.	15:54
Cerlyn	thanks	15:54
jlaska	Cerlyn: possibly as a proof-of-concept to identify some kinks ... but not in any *official* capacity	15:54
jlaska	#info Cerlyn asked for status of the nitrate TCMS project	15:54
jlaska	satellit__: was there something you wanted to discuss during this meeting?	15:54
adamw	he had to start up his ethernet connection manually. which is normal, isn't it?	15:55
satellit__	only that in VirtualBox DVD install does not start pci2p1	15:55
jlaska	yeah, I believe that is by design	15:55
satellit__	works when clicked	15:55
jlaska	if you are performing a network installation, and you've enabled networking during install, it will set things up for the next boot	15:56
adamw	yeah, if you don't use the network during install, that's intended.	15:56
satellit__	ok	15:56
kparal	I have created a bug report about that	15:56
kparal	several releases ago	15:56
jlaska	there is a slightly different behavior here now with the large initrd.img, and I need to verify that the existing behavior remains	15:56
kparal	agreed as bug, not fixed yet	15:56
jlaska	kparal: knows this issue well :)	15:56
jlaska	*: anything else to call out for the meeting?	15:56
* kparal thinks this is the issue why Ubuntu rules. small usability things		15:56
CRCinAU	hmmmm	15:56
CRCinAU	is it OT to talk about robatinos disos and alt?	15:57
jlaska	no, what's your question?	15:57
jlaska	depending on the question, we can determine where best to discuss	15:57
CRCinAU	I think he could *really* use some help getting a way to build the disos on alt. it seems there is some issue with using the makedelta due to compression changes	15:57
jlaska	robatino: what's the trouble, what can we help with?	15:58
adamw	it's due to alt running rhel, isn't it?	15:58
CRCinAU	this would make the disos available *much* quicker and save him from downloading many Gb of ISOs for each build	15:58
jlaska	#topic Open discussion - Building deltaISO images for QA	15:58
robatino	jlaska: CRCinAU: i can do that now	15:58
CRCinAU	I don't know if hes about at this time of night.	15:58
jlaska	CRCinAU: he joined the meeting, but may have stepped away	15:58
CRCinAU	the version of xz is different on alt than required in F15	15:58
CRCinAU	hence you can't create an F15 diso on alt	15:59
jlaska	what did the infrastructre folks suggest?	15:59
robatino	like i said, i'm able to do it now, so the disos will be much faster	15:59
CRCinAU	I talked to him the yesterday about maybe (somehow?) getting a static binary of makedelta or similar?	15:59
CRCinAU	I'm not sure anyone or robatino has spoken to them - or even know how to get in touch with them	16:00
adamw	they have a mailing list and a trac instance and an irc channel.	16:00
jlaska	Well, that'd be my first step, to check-in with the infrastructure folks who manage those systems	16:00
jlaska	maybe they have ideas or can offer suggestions	16:00
jlaska	Though, I'll be happy to talk further with you or robatino	16:00
jlaska	and I'm sure we can come up with something	16:00
CRCinAU	maybe yourself or adamw can point robatino in the right direction on doing it?	16:00
CRCinAU	I don't have any access to alt - so I can't even tinker and see what I can figure out	16:01
robatino	can anyone read this?	16:01
jlaska	CRCinAU: the same folks who gave robatino access to alt would be a good start	16:01
adamw	i'd say just mail them.	16:01
adamw	robatino: yeah, i saw it.	16:01
jlaska	CRCinAU: #fedora-admin or infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org	16:01
jlaska	might be	16:01
adamw	i also saw <robatino> like i said, i'm able to do it now, so the disos will be much faster	16:01
tflink	am I missing something, or is this still an issue if it's currently working?	16:01
CRCinAU	robatino: eyyy :)	16:01
robatino	ok, i've been busy saying that i can make the disos on alt now, and apparently no one saw it	16:01
CRCinAU	adamw: yes.	16:01
jlaska	robatino: hey!	16:01
adamw	tflink: i think jlaska and crcinau are somehow missing robatino's messages.	16:01
CRCinAU	robatino is like the devil. Speak his name and he appears ;) LOL	16:02
CRCinAU	oh - my apologies - I hadn't heard that news.	16:02
jlaska	robatino: so you are not having any difficulties?	16:02
CRCinAU	I'll talk to you in private about how you managed it, as its probably OT here :)	16:02
robatino	no, the only little issue is that i don't have a metalink executable that will run on alt	16:02
robatino	it first appeared in F11, alt is EL5.6 which is based on FC6	16:03
jlaska	#info these are not the droids you are looking for	16:03
adamw	that can probably get sorted out, maybe via epel?	16:03
jlaska	tflink: I think this is a non-issue ... robatino, confirm?	16:03
robatino	it just means that i have to download my deltas in order to make and post the .metalink files, so there will be a little delay	16:03
* jlaska lagging		16:04
adamw	oh okay.	16:04
adamw	so...nothing to see here, move along?	16:04
jlaska	robatino: okay, cool ... thanks for the update	16:04
jlaska	#topic Open discussion - <your topic here>	16:04
CRCinAU	robatino, adamw, jlaska: my apologies - I thought it was still broken.	16:04
jlaska	Okay, setting the fuse for 2 minutes (and likely longer since I appear to be lagging still)	16:05
jlaska	If no other topics, I'll #endmeeting soon	16:05
CRCinAU	see what happens when you miss out on 24 hours of news ;) LOL	16:05
jlaska	CRCinAU: no worries	16:05
jlaska	adamw: I saw them ... just lagged on my end	16:06
jlaska	Last call for topics ...	16:07
jlaska	Okay, closing out the meeting since there are no other topics	16:08
jlaska	thanks everyone, I'll send minutes to the list later today	16:08
jlaska	#endmeeting	16:08

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