Spins SIG Meeting 2009-01-19

Agenda

1. Finalizing Spins Process, vote
   • Writing up details on the Wiki, where necessary
   • Writing our Spins_SIG_Review_Checklist, and what to do if something isn't covered
   • Maintainer responsiveness and responsibilities for current releases
   • Checklist of DOs and DONTs, SHOULDs and SHOULD NOTs
   • Defining permanent vs. non-permanent spins, the procedure to change status, and the consequences for the Spins Process.
2. Set our final meeting time and schedule, vote
3. Determine our workflow (using the spin-kickstarts Trac instance?)
   • Branching and tagging (based on milestones to be determined)
   • Creating daily spins for compose tests and reporting results
   • Having maintainers (re-)create spins regularly for tests and collecting results
4. Determine our process for recurring releases and reviewing current spins for the upcoming release
5. Current Spins Requests:
   • Games Spin
     • Has been previously approved
     • Failed during Fedora 10
     • Revamped for Fedora 11 by Bruno Wolff III
   • A dozen or so localized spins
     • http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/spins/
6. Review of all current spins
   • Who's the maintainer of each spin, and where can we reach them?
   • Fedora AOS
   • Fedora BrOffice.org
   • Fedora Developer
   • Fedora Education Math
   • Fedora Electronic Lab
   • Fedora Games
   • Fedora Sugar
   • Fedora XFCE

Meeting Minutes

Attendees

• Jeroen van Meeuwen
• Bryan Kearney
• Bruno Wolff
• John Poelstra
• Bill Nottingham
• Kevin Fenzi
• Josh Boyer
• Rahul Sundaram
• David Huff
• Igor Pires Soares

Spins Process

• User:Kanarip: Q&A
• bkearney: Accepted means "will be composed and released through Release Engineering"?
  • kanarip: Accepted means it'll be handed off to Release Engineering to be composed and released, and get a torrent and page on spins.fedoraproject.org
  • poelcat: If it does not fail testing
• bruno: No wiki name space described for the Spins pages
  • kanarip: /Foo_Spin or SIGs/Education/Education_Live_Spin
  • nirik: $name_Spin would be better as wiki hates /'s
• bkearney: If trademark is not accepted, it is not a spin?
  • kanarip: then it's a "Fedora Remix", and goes back to category Incomplete_Spin, yes
• kanarip: Take the process up for vote now, get people to draft up the details and review in 2 weeks
• kanarip: Vote is: Do you agree with the process set forth in the Spins_Process wiki page, bearing in mind some of the details still need to be filled out?
  • kanarip, bkearney, nirik, bruno, notting, huff, igorps, poelcat: +1
  • Vote passed
• kanarip: i need 1-3 volunteers who can take on the details on the process, the 5 sub-items for agenda item #1
  • bryan, bruno, kanarip taking on the details on Spins_Process, up for review and voting during our next meeting in two weeks

Action Items

• Create details pages up for review in our next meeting (bkearney, bruno, kanarip)

Meeting Time and Schedule

• kanarip: Does the current time and schedule work for most of us?
  • SIG: Yes
• kanarip: Meeting time and schedule set until someone brings it up again

Determining the Spins SIG workflow

• kanarip: i'd like to see a more formalized set of tasks to be performed by the Spins SIG and the spin maintainers, so that we know when to branch off GIT, what to branch, what to compose(-test), what to expect from spin maintainers, etc.
  • huff, bruno; since the process details are not there yet, part of the timeline and such isn't available to formalize

Process of recurring releases

• The question is whether Spins that have been approved for Fedora N-1 need to get trademark approval again
• The question also is what to do with the Wiki pages?
  • nirik: How about they have to add a page for each release, but can automagically pass some steps? board approval? spins sig approval?
  • kanarip: poelcat and myself have thought of a way to maintain the same page for different releases, linking to the release-specific revision of that page.
  • poelcat: Overview pages would have to be modified
  • kanarip: Category: package are overview pages
  • ianweller chimes in but since there's only 10 minutes left, we need to take this to the fedora-wiki mailing list

Action Items

• kanarip to take the recurring releases process wiki tracking discussion to the fedora-wiki mailing list

Media larger then 4GB

• A vote was started, but due to the time constraint it didn't pass nor fail
• kanarip suggested bruno strips the Games spin to under 4GiB for now, so that it is not an issue, and revisit for Beta

Action Item

• kanarip to put the 4GiB limit on the Agenda for the next meeting

Current Spins

• Call for volunteers to check the current spin pages and add them to the appropriate category is moved to mailing list.