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Fedora Project Board Meeting :: Tuesday 2008-03-04

Roll Call

Attendees: Paul Frields, Steve Dickson, Bill Nottingham, Chris Aillon, Matt Domsch, Jef Spaleta, Karsten Wade, Bob McWirther, Dennis Gilmore, Seth Vidal, John Poelstra, Everyone on #fedora-board-meeting

Followup to Previous Business

Secondary Arch Hosting (2008-02-19)

  • Can Fedora host binaries for secondary architectures?
  • Change from original proposal
  • makes it easier to get new mirrors and use mirror manager
  • DECISION: board approves of Fedora hosting binaries for secondary architectures
  • FOLLOWUP 2008-02-26
  • Infrastructure group raising issue with lack of space
  • Are distribution methods a concern for growing secondary architectures?
  • OWNERS: Seth and Matt; Spot also assisting
  • ACTIONS: reach out to existing relationships and pursue storage opportunities
  • FOLLOWUP 2008-03-04
  • Seth to do more followup with BU--potentially 150G
  • Spot reports 450G from HP
  • Check back on 2008-03-18

Post-release updates of custom spins (2008-01-29)

  • Should the board have to approve them?
  • We will hosts as many spins as we have space for
  • Need to determine the hosting requirements and limits
  • How long will spins stay around?
  • http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/SpinsProcess
  • ACTION: Jef to review Rahul's proposal and report back to board
  • OWNER: Jef Spaleta
  • FOLLOWUP on 2008-02-12
  • Jef is waiting for feedback from Jeremy Katz on release engineering's perspective
  • Reference: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/Meetings/2008-feb-11
  • People are still not clear on exactly what is required to create an official "Fedora Spin"
  • Need a clear list of guidelines of what a spin owner is responsible for and what they are required to test
  • Hoping a test will come from Jeremy Katz as part of feedback from release engineering
  • We are only talking about spins that use GA packages, thus testing for GA should have given us enough comfort that risk is minimized
  • We only need to be concerned with new combination of packages that a spin would present
  • ACTIONS & OWNERS:
  • Paul Frields--followup with Fedora Release Engineering and QA contingent to discuss testing requirements
  • Jef Spaleta to formulate specific guidelines for review prior to or at next board meeting (dependent on feedback from release engineering)
  • FOLLOWUP on 2008-02-19
  • Crux of issue right now is figuring out exactly what input release engineering is supposed to be giving
  • Jef will have a writeup to the board by next meeting
  • Paul will be at the Red Hat office in Westford, MA next week and can sit down and work out any of the remaining details with Jeremy, Jesse, Will, etc.
  • FOLLOWUP on 2008-02-26
  • releng has created http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JeremyKatz/SpinChecklist
  • Jef has input from Rahul and plans to start writing a draft
  • FOLLOWUP on 2008-03-04
  • Jef posting proposal to fedora-advisory-board-list: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-March/msg00004.html

New Business

  • Q&A with Fedora Board on IRC
  • Will attempt to have one public meeting per month

Questions & Answers

a. [#14:34 GPL compliance for event media] 14:34 a. [#14:43 Swag with Fedora trademark (logo)] 14:43 a. [#14:47 Non-RHT people for RHT appointed board seats] 14:47 a. [#14:55 Presto in Fedora 9] 14:55 a. [#14:56 LWN Subscription status] 14:56 a. [#15:01 OLPC and Fedora relationship] 15:01 a. [#15:10 FUDCon 10 and future FUDCons] 15:10

Next Meeting

  • Permanent meeting time and day until further notice
  • TIME: 14:00 EST (19:00 UTC)
  • DATE: Tuesday, 2008-03-11

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<tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">+mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">greetings</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">+stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Hello all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hey</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">+bob_org</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">howdy guys</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:00"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spevack checks to make sure he can talk here</td><td><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:00"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid cannot?</td><td><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">+spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">foo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:01"><td class="action" colspan="2">* steved removes his headphones... :)</td><td><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">+mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">-ENOPHONE</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">+notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">hello all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">hi</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">+skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">mdomsch: me to</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">+skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">the conf system is not letting me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">+skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">in</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">skvidal: nor me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:03" class="time">14:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">ok, looks like we're all here stickster</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:05" class="time">14:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">heh, only have the Board has nicks that are recognizable</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">(as their own name, that is)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">+mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">mic-key m-o-u-s-e</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">Karsten here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:07"><td class="action" colspan="2">* caillon here</td><td><a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:07"><td class="action" colspan="2">* steved here</td><td><a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:07"><td class="action" colspan="2">* skvidal is</td><td><a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">+bob_org</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">bob's your uncle</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:07"><td class="action" colspan="2">* dgilmore </td><td><a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:08"><td class="action" colspan="2">* notting is here</td><td><a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">you know, seeing that we can already see your nick ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">how about your name in the rollcall?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">+bob_org</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Bob McWhirter, JBoss.org</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">+mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Matt Domsch - troublemaker</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:08"><td class="action" colspan="2">* skvidal is seth vidal</td><td><a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">stickster: want me to launch agenda?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:08"><td class="action" colspan="2">* dgilmore is Dennis Gilmore</td><td><a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:08"><td class="action" colspan="2">* caillon is Christopher Aillon</td><td><a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">we lost stickster in a netsplit or something ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:09"><td class="action" colspan="2">* steved is Steve Dickson</td><td><a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:09"><td class="action" colspan="2">* notting is Bill Nottingham</td><td><a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">one sec while we make sure we have stickster back</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">+mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">who DOSd stickster?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:10"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spevack kickbanned stickster so that he could reclaim his power :P</td><td><a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:10"><td class="action" colspan="2">* caillon bets it was spevack</td><td><a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">AHA, i was right :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">+spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">spevack, I think the board would much rather see a cage match</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">+spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">@ FUDCon</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">hi/topic Agenda</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">We have two items to previous business to cover as quickly as possible so we have as much time as possible for open Q&A</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">woo, I'm going then!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">spevack: ill pay to see that :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">The first item is "Hosting Binaries for Secondary Architectures" from the 2008-02-19 meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:11"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- poelcat changed the topic of #fedora-board-meeting to: Secondary Arch Binaries</td><td><a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">-->Seth, Matt and Spot were looking into options for more space. What is the update?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:11"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-board-meeting to: Agenda "Hosting Binaries for Secondary</td><td><a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:12"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-board-meeting to: Agenda "Hosting Binaries for Secondary Arch"</td><td><a href="#t14:12" class="time">14:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">+skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">poelcat: the bu people said "hopefully, yes" then went radio silent</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:12" class="time">14:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">+skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">poelcat: gonna ping them some more today - but it sounds like we might be able to get 150GB in a vmware instance</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:12" class="time">14:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">+mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">spot is getting a system donated to help</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">skvidal, i keep meaning to feel out people here about space</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">skvidal, i just havent found the righrt people</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">+mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ahh, there's spot</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">anything more on this topic and should I note a particular followup?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:14" class="time">14:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">+mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">spot has been working on getting a donation to offload some of the historical bits (FC1-5) onto another box for the time being</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:14" class="time">14:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">+mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">until we get the 2-10TB storage mmcgrath has been hunting for donations towards</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:14" class="time">14:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">mdomsch, historical bits concern me...long term</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:15" class="time">14:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">spot says we got some storgae  but probably not enough</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:15" class="time">14:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">we have started moving stuff to the new storage</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:16" class="time">14:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">spot, speak!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:17" class="time">14:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">+spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">ok, so HP gave us a system with some disk for temporary archive storage</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:17" class="time">14:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">+spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">about 450 GB</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:17" class="time">14:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">that will always want to grow</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:18" class="time">14:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">so that 450GB should be sufficient to offload the historical bits for now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:18" class="time">14:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">+spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">We have about 80GB backed up. If we can talk to Legal and get approval to remove the test releases from the core/ set, we would save another 100~ gigs, giving us a total savings of 171G.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">which should free up enough space on the master mirrors to let us host ia64 rawhide, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">+spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">thats all the free space we can make.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">+notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">but is it enough space for ia64 and sparc and arm?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">mdomsch, a year from now...arent we just back where we started?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">+spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">mmcgrath says it will not be enough for the primaries, much less secondary</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">ok, we can't solve this here today ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:20" class="time">14:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">check back in ____ weeks ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:20" class="time">14:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">spoleeba, yes, we continue to need a metric ton of disk</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:20" class="time">14:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">long term we need to upgrade the netapps that serve as primary mirrors</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:20" class="time">14:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">I believe its on the 09-10 agenda to do</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:20" class="time">14:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">poelcat, 2 weeks pls</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:20" class="time">14:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">mdomsch, i dont see how we hold all the historical bits... its an exponential resource demand</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:20" class="time">14:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">mdomsch: got it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">The next item is "Requirements for Custom Spins" (2008-01-29)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:21"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- poelcat changed the topic of #fedora-board-meeting to: Custom Spins</td><td><a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">-->Jef was drafting a proposal based on input received from Rahul and Release Engineering.  What is the update?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">+skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">spoleeba: quantum storage?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">spoleeba: ^^</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">poelcat, im gonna send an email out this afternoon to fab</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">Sorry about the dropout. Local hardware problem which I will remedy after we finish up here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">Preferably with a hammer</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">poelcat, im sure everyone saw the lovefest jwb and i had on fab last week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">actually seemed quite lovely</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:22"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat adds couples counseling for next week</td><td><a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">fwiw, I agree with the concepts you all rose -- the last thing I need to be doing is deciding on the technical readiness of a spin from a ks file :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">poelcat, jeremy's draft has good technical meat... and im going to take that.. and jwb's proposal-ish  and put together a two teir process</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">spoleeba, cool, sounds good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:23" class="time">14:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">spoleeba: we have a two tier system now   at least as far as torrenting them out goes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:23" class="time">14:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">poelcat, where the initial review is handled like we do packages...and we start cobbling together a community work group to generate a set of Guidelines</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:23" class="time">14:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">dgilmore, we dont really have a peer review</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:24" class="time">14:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">spoleeba: that we dont</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:24" class="time">14:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">yet...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:24" class="time">14:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">dgilmore, that's basically what we need... a pool of kickstart files that are peer reviewed..and blessed... and then releng cherrypicks from that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:24" class="time">14:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:24" class="time">14:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">dgilmore, so ill get my draft out this afternoon.... we have everyone agree on that..and then we stop blessing anymore spins..until we put a community group together to act as submission reviewers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:25" class="time">14:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">spoleeba: look forward to reading your proposal</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:25" class="time">14:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">dgilmore, the hard part is writing it as a limerick</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:26"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat notes for those following at home that all discussion (while slow) is happening here on IRC</td><td><a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">spoleeba, seems sane not to burden rel-eng directly with that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">spoleeba: After you get the draft together, we may want to see if there is a current group where the review can naturally fall.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">mdomsch, right.. thats sort of the big issue.. we know we are gonna have 3.2 billion spin concepts...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">okay so I take followup to be: discuss Jef's proposal on f-a-b</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">stickster, once we block on a group being created..i think we'll find those people</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">anything else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">spoleeba: That works for me.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">spoleeba: can we delegate the group creation?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">or something like that ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">quaid, lets create a group to delegate group creation to!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">bingo!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:27"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster falls into the mirror that looks upon itself</td><td><a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">I just don't feel fully qualified to</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">quaid, i think its going to come down to me..contact everyone i know who is working on a spin..and getting them to meet and talking about guideline creation</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">pick who should lead or be in such a group, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">spoleeba: ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">We can bring this part to f-a-b also, if really necessary.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">spoleeba, and make sure it's done on fedora-advisory-board?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:29" class="time">14:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">caillon: *jinx</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:29" class="time">14:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">caillon, i sort of expected this to be part of the discussion over the draft i put to f-a-b</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:29" class="time">14:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:29"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster buys Cokes all around</td><td><a href="#t14:29" class="time">14:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:29" class="time">14:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">caillon, the draft has two or three "must be done" items</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:29" class="time">14:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster, ew, you drink coke?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:29" class="time">14:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">caillon, a community group is one of them</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:29" class="time">14:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">I prefer Rockstart.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">caillon, we basically choose to block on all the items in the list or not</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">It makes me type funny, too.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">stickster: ill take some good organic coffee</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">OK, have we cleared this item then?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">spoleeba, nod.  sounds good.  thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">caillon, sort of the only stick we have as a board..is withholding trademark approval until the process is put in place</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">stickster: I think so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">futher followups on FAB</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">poelcat, what's next?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">Final topic before Q&A is date and time for next meeting.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- poelcat changed the topic of #fedora-board-meeting to: Set Next Meeting</td><td><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">Does anyone have a conflict with meeting next Tuesday (2008-03-11) at 1400 EST (1900 UTC)?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><td class="action" colspan="2">* dgilmore is ok with that </td><td><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">are we going to repeat this weekly?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><td class="action" colspan="2">* skvidal is fine</td><td><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">+bob_org</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i thought we decided that was the one true time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><td class="action" colspan="2">* steved ditto</td><td><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">or just pick a permanent time and make rare exceptions?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">caillon: right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><td class="action" colspan="2">* dgilmore did think we had setlled on this time </td><td><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">We did.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:32" class="time">14:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">Announcing it in the meeting is never bad though ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:32" class="time">14:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">ok then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:32" class="time">14:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">quaid, weekly qa? i thouht it was monthly qa</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:32" class="time">14:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">Let's go to Q&A then.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:32" class="time">14:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">I'll be out of the office next Tues-Fri for spring break</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:32" class="time">14:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">It's a monthly public meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:32" class="time">14:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">so will provide my regrets in advance</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:32" class="time">14:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">+skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">mdomsch: dell employees gone wild?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:32" class="time">14:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">The announcement of time above is only for the standard Board meeting by phone</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:32" class="time">14:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">stickster: okay that is all from the agenda</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">All right, Q&A time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">come on guys, there has to be some questions</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:34" class="time">14:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">Ok, here's one</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:34" class="time">14:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">from EvilBob</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:34" class="time">14:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">what is being done about GPL compliance</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">for media created for use at events</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">and distributed by ambassadors?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:35"><td class="action" colspan="2">* mdomsch takes a stab at it</td><td><a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">first, we need a reliable method to give people "corresponding source" for any binaries they have</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">luckily for us, we have that, in the Fedora Source Code Control System (e.g. CVS)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">I started a project on fedorahosted.org, called 'correspondingsource', and have a design doc started there, and a few bits of starter code</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">and I'll be looking for a Summer Coder of some sort to help out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">second, we need to confirm with the FSF that we have to provide physical media on request</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:37" class="time">14:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">to match the bit handed out at conferences on media</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:37" class="time">14:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">if so, we will need to cut a deal with a small-run replicator house to do so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:37" class="time">14:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">that's just business work, not technical</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:37" class="time">14:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">mdomsch, is the hosted project a blocker?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:38" class="time">14:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">it doesn't have to be - that really just makes it simpler for end users</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:38" class="time">14:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">the only blocker I know of is - I don't know how much space is free in CVS</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:38" class="time">14:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">to know how long we can keep the corresponding source live there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:38" class="time">14:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">(so, it's back to storage challenges)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:38" class="time">14:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">mdomsch, the fsf answer blocks... the hostedproject is a 'play nice' enhancement</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:38" class="time">14:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">presumably it's sufficient</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:38" class="time">14:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">spoleeba, good point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">mdomsch, back when we did the toy cvs tag script... i got an answer from mike about cvs... its 'small' footprint compared to other things..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">let me know when you are ready for the next question</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">EvilBob asks (paraphrased): what do the lawyers say?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:40" class="time">14:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">Does EvilBob mean, differently than what they said at FUDCon?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:40" class="time">14:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">In my discussions, they want physical media to be available, which is a PITA for groups that don't generally produce physical media</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:40" class="time">14:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">and in my work experience, the number of people who actually _order_ physical media with source code is ridiculously small</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">EvilBob, Mr. Webbink wanted it to be clear that outside orgs cannot create obligation for Fedora</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">mdomsch, but we do have the option of charging for source media... we just have to figure out how to generate the source to put on media</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">that we have to decide to take on the obligation ourselevs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">at least 3 board members are fine adding this obligation - we haven't formally voted on it though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">spevack, next question?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">the next question was from me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and put followups to this in the queue?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">EvilBob, which is why we need a better long-term solution that doesn't leave that burden unnecessarily on the ambassador</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:42"><td class="action" colspan="2">* mdomsch shuts up now</td><td><a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">mdomsch: Thanks for that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">(not the shutting up, the answering.)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">sorry, my net connection stalled</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">the board recently stated its guidelines</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">Max asks about NPOs and other approved groups selling Fedora-marked schwag.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">for allowing third party organizations to use the Fedora name</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">the quesiton is</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">what if those groups also want to use the Fedora mark</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">to produce swag</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">and re-sell that swag to offset production costs, and use any "profit" for the community</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:44" class="time">14:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">We can discuss this one together, but I have a few thoughts:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:44" class="time">14:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">is Fedora board ok with these "blessed" groups using the Fedora mark in this way, provided they continue transparent reporting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:44" class="time">14:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">i personally think that is ok,  I think its part of why we allow them to use the mark.  all we ask is transparency in what funds they make and how they disperse them</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:45" class="time">14:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">1. I think we would want that kind of sale to occur in the context of a NPO (which will be governed by at least some level of local regulation as well as our TM grant)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:45" class="time">14:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">2. Reportable accounting is a must.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:45" class="time">14:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">stickster: ok.  next question?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">3. We would probably want to have a say in the actual schwag to be sold, to avoid, say, a proliferation of underwear with Board members' faces on it, or some such</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">stickster, we always have to option of pulling the mark if the group decides to do something contrary to the original agreement...no that is gonna happen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">ok... next question is from mether</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">two parts</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">So really 3 comes down to "continue to play nice."</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">stickster, i would agree that board approval of swag concepts is a good idea</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #b15db1">+steved</th><td class="text" style="color: #b15db1">stickster: "Reportable accounting" to whom? Us?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">steved: Correct. Our grant to Fedora EMEA included a call for a quarterly report.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">1) Will the Board ever switch from 5 appointed/4 elected to a majority in the other direction?  and 2) will the Board consider appointing a non-RH employee to an appointed seat?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">We didn't lay out the precise requirements for the report because we want the request to have flexibility as we figure out the best composition.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:48"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spevack can help answer mether's question if necessary</td><td><a href="#t14:48" class="time">14:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #b15db1">+steved</th><td class="text" style="color: #b15db1">stickster: so we would be requiring other companies reporting thier account to us?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:48" class="time">14:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">The board does not appoint  people RH does</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:48" class="time">14:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">who they chose to appoint is up to RH</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:48" class="time">14:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">there is nothing stopping RH from appointing a non RH employee</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:48" class="time">14:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">steved: Where "other companies" == NPOs to whom we have granted a limited usage of the FEDORA trademarks, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #b15db1">+steved</th><td class="text" style="color: #b15db1">stickster: ack...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">As for mether-2 -- there was an offer in the past of an appointed Board seat to a non-RH person</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">dgilmore, and there was one offer made to appoint someone in the community (non RH employee), but they rejected it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">caillon: yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">+skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">I think they said something like "are you kidding me?", too :0</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:50"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster switches to opinion mode</td><td><a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">+skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">(kiding)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">that's right.... so point 2 is "yes, non-RH people have been considered for the appointed seats".</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">(there are 2 more questions in the queue when this one is finished)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:51" class="time">14:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:51"><td class="action" colspan="2">* steved wonder is there is a problem with the current makeup of the board?</td><td><a href="#t14:51" class="time">14:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">steved, you wear too much mascara</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:51" class="time">14:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #b15db1">+steved</th><td class="text" style="color: #b15db1">lol</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:51" class="time">14:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">stickster: did you have something to add here, or should i go to the next question?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">As for mether-1: The Board itself is not opposed to a new ratio of seats --</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">-- but this question is academic until and unless Fedora has sponsors other than Red Hat.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">The Board strives for as much transparency as possible, and welcomes ideas for additional improvement in that area.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:53" class="time">14:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and hopefully having more public meetings like this is a way of doing so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:53" class="time">14:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #b15db1">+steved</th><td class="text" style="color: #b15db1">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">bury that body and let's move on!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">spevack, next!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">next question is a technical one</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">what is the status of presto in f9?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">darn, did we forget to assign the army of monkeys to that one?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">see my anwser in -devel-list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:55" class="time">14:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">+poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeaturePresto">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeaturePresto</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:55" class="time">14:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">The last post I saw on this issue was that the prime mover for the feature has answered -ENOTIME</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:55" class="time">14:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">In the other channel the comment is "the wiki still lists three possible implementations.  has one, and which, was chosen?"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:55" class="time">14:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">Thread is here: <a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-March/msg00136.html">http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-March/msg00136.html</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">if this is covered in the links you gave above, then let's move on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">Moving on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">The Board doesn't often dictate day-to-day work items to Fedora volunteers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">so things get done when volunteers step up and do them</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">ok, next question</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">probably for spoleeba</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">what's the status of the LWN subscription stuff?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">and what's next?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">mdomsch: no army of flying monkey coders? :(</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">okay...so i should probably do an announce post</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">flying monkeys scare me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">@mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">always have</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">so i got 62 requests before the deadline.. ive had a couple of requests trickle in in the last day or so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">everyone who has sent in a request now has an activated lwn account</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hooray</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:58" class="time">14:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">leaving 12 or 13 more subscriptions left to be thrown at people</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:58" class="time">14:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">perfect!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:58" class="time">14:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">ok, the last question from -public is:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:58" class="time">14:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">What is the board considering for the future of public meetings?  more often than monthly, monthly, etc...?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">We are committing to one monthly town hall meeting for now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">i dont see how we can do it more often than monthly unless we make a bigger time commitment</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">because the confcalls still need to happen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:00" class="time">15:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">We are attempting to keep as many issues out on f-a-b and the minutes as possible, for discussion with the community</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:01" class="time">15:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">next question is....</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:01" class="time">15:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">(summarized)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:01" class="time">15:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">what's the future look like for OLPC and Fedora?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:01" class="time">15:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">there is buildsys integration</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:01" class="time">15:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">but not much direct community collaboration these days</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:02" class="time">15:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">thats something im working out hwo to do</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:02" class="time">15:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">OLPC has never come to fedora and said this is what we are doing  can you help</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:02" class="time">15:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">that is something im slowly working to fix</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:02" class="time">15:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">We need to setup bridges from both sides  to allow people to work on both sides</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:03" class="time">15:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">I would like to see the OLPC builds just be a spin composed from fedora  though that is probably sometime down the road</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:04" class="time">15:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">without there being reasonable hardware penetration in US and Europe where are contributor base is strongest.. its hard to begin to even start stumping for increased fedora contributor support for OLPC development</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:04" class="time">15:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">there is not alot that is diverged from fedora  for olpc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:04" class="time">15:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">I want to take hardware largely out of the equation</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:04" class="time">15:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">the emulation images are useful.. but i dont really know how to 'sell' those as something to use</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:05" class="time">15:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">there is many use cases for sugar that dont involve the XO</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:05" class="time">15:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">if i had a child  I would like togive them a sugar desktop for when they log in</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:06" class="time">15:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">there aren't any other questions pending right now...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:06" class="time">15:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">dgilmore, i know there is a lot of potential here in terms of getting people involved in activities development.. but i just don't know how to tell the story yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:06" class="time">15:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">there was a FUDCOn question, but it's been addressed in the other channel</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:06" class="time">15:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">blah, we should be answering questions here so they go in the minutes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:06" class="time">15:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">dgilmore, if we had a Fedora Sugar desktop... that would definitely make it easier to start a conversation about it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:06" class="time">15:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">So the Fedora community needs to reach out to the OLPC community, as does the OLPC community to Fedora's</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:06" class="time">15:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">Well it was a 2 part question</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:06" class="time">15:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">1) What's up with FUDCon F10</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:06" class="time">15:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">to which the link was provided</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:07" class="time">15:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConF10">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConF10</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:07" class="time">15:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">dgilmore, but i cant ask for a sugar desktop spin.. till we get the spin process re-started :-></td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:07" class="time">15:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">and the second was "will there be fudcons in more locations"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:07" class="time">15:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">spevack, FAIRBANKS!!!!!!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:07" class="time">15:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">spoleeba: You're late, see the other channel ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:07" class="time">15:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">I got your back</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:07" class="time">15:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">spoleeba: never fairbanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:07" class="time">15:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">you get curling thats it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:07" class="time">15:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">dgilmore, the summer forest fire season is quite lovely</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:08" class="time">15:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">The summer FUDCon is projected to follow the Summit, so where it goes, FUDCon goes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:08" class="time">15:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">I have been working on securing funds for a January FUDCon to be held in Boston (brrrr)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:09" class="time">15:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">stickster, balmy!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:09" class="time">15:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">The reasons for this are numerous, but funding is one of them.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:09" class="time">15:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">And as for the "global FUDCon" question, I would add that we will have a FUDCon somewhere in Europe and a FUDCon somewhere in APAC (probably at LCA 2009).</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:09" class="time">15:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture/Goals">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture/Goals</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:09" class="time">15:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">Right, FUDCon is now a bigger issue than just North America</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:10" class="time">15:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">stickster, i think what we'll end up finding is the Summit-tracking FudCon will end up being geared to community promotion.. and the winter fudcon is going to be much more development focused..if we keep it near RH engineering centers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:10" class="time">15:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">spevack, do you know when LCA 2009  is?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:10" class="time">15:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">January i think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:10" class="time">15:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">spoleeba: Well, that depends on a number of factors, including how many people Fedora can afford to subsidize for a conference</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:11" class="time">15:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">spoleeba, it's always the end of Jan/early Feb</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:11" class="time">15:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">LCA2009 is in january in Tasmania</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:11" class="time">15:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">spevack, okay endeavor to make sure my trip to Antarctica makes it possible for me to be near there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:11" class="time">15:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:11"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spevack gives the other channel time to ask any more questions</td><td><a href="#t15:11" class="time">15:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">spoleeba: it will be the middle of antarctic summer</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:11" class="time">15:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">no more questions for now...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:12" class="time">15:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">+spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">dgilmore, if we go..we'll go around then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:12" class="time">15:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">+caillon</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">spevack, cool. thanks for helping out :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:12" class="time">15:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">spevack: Thanks for moderating for us!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:12" class="time">15:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">caillon: my pleasure!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:12" class="time">15:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">anytime</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:12" class="time">15:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:12"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spevack thought it went very well</td><td><a href="#t15:12" class="time">15:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">for information on LCA2009 <a href="http://marchsouth.org/">http://marchsouth.org/</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:12" class="time">15:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">i like the idea of the ex-FPL being the moderator :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:13" class="time">15:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">@spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">gives stickster something to look forward to</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:13" class="time">15:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">I'm planning already :-D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:13" class="time">15:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">+quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">you're too late!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:14" class="time">15:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">mmcgrath got his TZ wrong</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:14" class="time">15:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">+dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">mmcgrath: missed the party</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:14" class="time">15:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">@stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">But we love you anyway, ya big lug</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:14" class="time">15:14</a></td></tr>
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