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Attendees
- adamw (73)
- jreznik (17)
- brunowolff (7)
- jskladan (6)
- pjones (6)
- randomuser` (5)
- Viking-Ice (4)
- jwb (4)
- mjg59 (3)
- zodbot (3)
- tflink (2)
- sn_op (2)
- mkrizek (1)
- satellit (1)
- satellit_e (1)
- pschindl (1)
Agenda
- Fedora 19 Alpha status
- Test Days
- Open floor
Fedora 19 Alpha status
- TC6 was out and testing so far looked reasonably positive, #947142 was outstanding blocker
- randomuser was planning to include a note about problems running Shell on blacklisted graphics cards and old CPUs in the release notes
- mjg59 was still refining the #947142 fix, as soon as it's acceptable upstream we could pull it into F19 kernel and rebuild
Test Days
- We were unsure whether Test_Day:2013-04-11_Translation_(l10n) happened, and whether it needs to be re-scheduled or re-organized
- Test_Day:2013-04-17_Power_Management looked well set up, we just needed to send out announcements
- FreeIPA test day page was mostly ready, looks to be a cut/paste dump from last year, so check for errors
Open floor
N/A
Action items
- adamw to send out another call for UEFI testing with TC6
- jreznik to follow up on status of Translations (l10n) test day
IRC Log
| adamw | #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting | 15:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Apr 15 15:00:44 2013 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
| adamw | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:00 |
| adamw | #topic Roll call | 15:00 |
| adamw | morning folks, who's a roll? | 15:00 |
| * tflink is here | 15:00 | |
| * mkrizek is here | 15:01 | |
* randomuser is lurking around, why not
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15:01 | |
| * satellit listening | 15:01 | |
| * jskladan lurks | 15:01 | |
| * brunowolff is here | 15:01 | |
| adamw | but are you rolls?! | 15:03 |
| tflink | rofl? | 15:03 |
| * jreznik is roll | 15:04 | |
| adamw | ahem | 15:05 |
| adamw | morning everyone | 15:05 |
| adamw | #topic fedora 19 alpha status | 15:05 |
| adamw | soo, we're not looking too bad | 15:06 |
| adamw | TC6 testing looks pretty solid (or am I missing anything)? and we just have the remaining EFI bug to zap, really | 15:06 |
| adamw | there's a few more proposed blockers we'll deal with at the review meeting right after this meeting | 15:07 |
| * satellit_e adamw: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=949761#c22 EFI install worked on MacBookPro i7 with litd USB | 15:07 | |
| adamw | anyone have any issues/concerns for alpha? | 15:07 |
| adamw | satellit: thanks | 15:07 |
| brunowolff | Is there a warning about using very old graphics cards and gnome? | 15:08 |
| adamw | not really | 15:09 |
| brunowolff | That doesn't look like it is going to work for alpha and those people should be steered to something like XFCE. | 15:09 |
| adamw | how do you mean, "isn't going to work"? | 15:09 |
| adamw | llvmpipe is working fine so far as I know. do you mean blacklisted cards? | 15:09 |
| randomuser | brunowolff, I'm intending to make such a statement in the the release notes and/or install guide, fwiw | 15:09 |
| * Viking-Ice lurks | 15:09 | |
| brunowolff | llvmpipe doesn't work on at least one of my old machines. | 15:09 |
| brunowolff | The second old machine also doesn't get into gnome, but that might be due to something other than llvmpipe. | 15:10 |
| jreznik | for that one outstanding bug we need some evidence that clearing efivars could help as looking on LKML, fix is still under review... mjg59 should know more, I hope, pls | 15:10 |
| Viking-Ice | is the size of the efi partition being checked along with proper configuration and removal of files on kernel updates? | 15:10 |
| Viking-Ice | and the correct mount path or is just people checking installing with uefi and if they can boot ? | 15:11 |
| brunowolff | Now my machines are really old and don't have sse2 instructions, which may only be a small subset of machines with old graphics cards. | 15:11 |
| adamw | jreznik: tc6 already has the fix that cleans out pstore - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=950709 | 15:12 |
| jreznik | adamw: yes, I know - but it could be still tricky - as it could require up to two reboots... | 15:13 |
| adamw | brunowolff: oh, right, the sse2 bug. | 15:13 |
| adamw | so you're more talking 'old CPU and blacklisted gfx card'. | 15:13 |
| jreznik | Viking-Ice: the idea is - abrt will report dumped crashes and reports them + anaconda will clean it up at install time | 15:14 |
| brunowolff | Yes. | 15:14 |
| jreznik | now the question is why some people see empty pstore and dumps in efivars I'd say reading the latest comments in the bug | 15:14 |
| adamw | Viking-Ice: this isn't about the EFI system partition where kernels live | 15:14 |
| Viking-Ice | ok did not know to what extend we where testing efi | 15:15 |
| adamw | Viking-Ice: it's about some space in the NVRAM, which the OS can actually write stuff to | 15:15 |
| jreznik | and combination of several conditions... | 15:16 |
| adamw | jreznik: well, because of 947142. which is where we came in. | 15:16 |
| adamw | #info TC6 is out and testing so far looks reasonably positive, we are mostly waiting on a fix for 947142 now | 15:18 |
| adamw | #info randomuser is planning to include a note about problems running Shell on blacklisted graphics cards and old CPUs in the release notes | 15:19 |
randomuser
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ah | 15:19 |
| randomuser | help me out on the blacklisted cards bit | 15:19 |
| jreznik | that's the question - if we really need a fix for 947142 or not - if it really makes that difference for most of the systems, there are reports just wiping out dumps from efi are enough :) | 15:20 |
| randomuser` | adamw, i was thinking more of a generic 'if you have a less powerful machine, use a lighter DE' | 15:20 |
| adamw | jreznik: oh, i see. good question, i guess we can send out a call for more uefi testing again | 15:20 |
| adamw | #action adamw to send out another call for UEFI testing with TC6 | 15:21 |
| adamw | anything else for alpha? last call for alpha. | 15:21 |
| pjones | yes, we really need a fix for 947142. | 15:23 |
| pjones | If for no other reason than it basically means on many machines you can't re-test more than once. | 15:23 |
| * pschindl is here (I stuck in the treffic jam) | 15:24 | |
| adamw | pjones: even with the fix that wipes efivars at install time? | 15:24 |
| pjones | that may sometimes help, but it's not a 100% sort of thing | 15:24 |
| sn_op | secure boot is great for people with alzeimers | 15:25 |
| jreznik | it's a fix that should make the reported size more "correct" as far as I understand it so you can end with the same problem | 15:25 |
| sn_op | you cant get enough of peoples faces once they realixe they forgot the encription password | 15:26 |
| adamw | ...okay. | 15:27 |
| adamw | pjones: alright, thanks. we'll keep waiting for the fix then | 15:27 |
| jreznik | adamw: I can't pretend I understand the problem, but still I'd go with that - please retest and to collect results as see my comment above... | 15:28 |
| adamw | sure. | 15:28 |
| adamw | pjones: do you have any news on the status of the fix, btw? or better apply to mjg59? | 15:29 |
| jreznik | I think it's this one https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/4/9/828 | 15:29 |
| pjones | you'll have to ask the kernel team about the fedora kernels, but he has posted something | 15:30 |
| jwb | jreznik, that's stale. | 15:30 |
| adamw | so aiui as soon as the patch is acceptable to upstream, we can pull it into our kernel and rebuild, right jwb? | 15:31 |
| pjones | http://paste.fedoraproject.org/7458 was the thing he was saying worked earlier | 15:31 |
| pjones | but, again, jwb's answer trumps mine ;) | 15:31 |
| jwb | adamw, basically, yes | 15:31 |
| adamw | okay. | 15:32 |
| adamw | pjones: thanks much | 15:32 |
| jwb | afaik, we won't even have to carry it long | 15:32 |
| adamw | #info mjg59 is still refining the 947142 fix, as soon as it's acceptable upstream we can pull it into F19 kernel and rebuild | 15:32 |
| jreznik | jwb: would it be possible to carry it only for now even it's not completely accepted by upstream but it will turn out to help us now? | 15:33 |
| jwb | no | 15:33 |
| jreznik | ok | 15:35 |
| adamw | alrighty, moving on | 15:35 |
| adamw | #topic Test Days | 15:35 |
| adamw | it doesn't look like much happened for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-11_Translation_%28l10n%29 . I missed that one, I was probably panicking about alpha. | 15:36 |
| adamw | anyone have any info there? | 15:36 |
| adamw | (crickets) | 15:37 |
| adamw | so I guess that's a "no" :) | 15:39 |
| adamw | anyone want an action item to follow up on it? | 15:39 |
| jreznik | I can do it | 15:40 |
| adamw | #info we're unsure whether Translations (l10n) test day happened, and whether it needs to be re-scheduled / re-organized | 15:40 |
| adamw | #action jreznik to follow up on status of Translations (l10n) test day | 15:40 |
| adamw | thanks jaro | 15:40 |
| adamw | two other test days are scheduled this week - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-17_Power_Management and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-18 (freeipa) | 15:41 |
| adamw | I guess I'd better try and check up on those | 15:41 |
| adamw | and send out some publicity etc | 15:41 |
| jskladan | adamw: i know that pm testday will happen :) IMHO we'll have the usual 'public' testday during openhouse | 15:42 |
| adamw | what's this shiny new feedback tool? | 15:42 |
| adamw | #info power management test day looks well set up, we just need to send out announcements | 15:42 |
| adamw | #info freeipa page is mostly ready, looks to be a cut/paste dump from last year, so check for errors | 15:43 |
| adamw | i guess that's all for test days | 15:45 |
| adamw | anything else? | 15:45 |
| jreznik | adamw: maybe restart discussion about TCs after RCs as we hit it now... | 15:45 |
| adamw | i'm not sure we have time for that talkfest before blocker review | 15:45 |
| adamw | but if someone wants to bring it up in open floor, sure | 15:46 |
| jreznik | at least to poke it on ml... | 15:46 |
| adamw | i meant 'anything else about test days', though, while we're still on the test day topic. | 15:46 |
| jreznik | ok, sorry | 15:46 |
| adamw | sounds like that's a negatory | 15:47 |
| adamw | #topic open floor | 15:47 |
| adamw | anything for open floor? anyone keen for a talkfest? :) | 15:47 |
| * jreznik would like to avoid talkfest :) maybe mailing list is now better option | 15:47 | |
| adamw | sure | 15:48 |
| adamw | someone tell us a jokje | 15:50 |
| adamw | also a joke | 15:50 |
| jskladan | You know that one about canadian lumberjack? ;) | 15:51 |
| adamw | heh | 15:51 |
| adamw | welp, if that's all we got, everyone go get a beefy miracle and join us again in #fedora-blocker-review at the top of the hour for some AWESOME BLOCKER REVIEW FUN | 15:52 |
| * adamw sets quantum fuse | 15:52 | |
| jskladan | Canadian lumberjack's favourite sushi? The long roll... | 15:53 |
| jskladan | Damg autocorrect *log roll | 15:53 |
| adamw | ba-dum tish | 15:53 |
| adamw | jskladan will be here all week or until the customers throw him out, tip your server! | 15:53 |
| * jskladan quits in shame! | 15:54 | |
| mjg59 | adamw: Patches appear to look good to upstream now | 15:54 |
| adamw | mjg59: yay! | 15:54 |
| mjg59 | Just posted them for further review | 15:54 |
| adamw | so we can maybe get a kernel today? | 15:54 |
| mjg59 | Maybe! | 15:54 |
| adamw | yay | 15:54 |
| adamw | and on that positive note...thanks for coming, all | 15:55 |
| adamw | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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