QA/Meetings/20130902

Attendees

• tflink (111)
• kparal (35)
• pschindl (13)
• pwhalen (10)
• spstarr (9)
• zodbot (9)
• ignatenkobrain (8)
• rcheleguini (6)
• drago01 (4)
• Southern_Gentlem (3)
• jskladan (1)

Agenda

• Followup from previous meeting
• Fedora 20 Planning/Status
• Open floor

Followup from previous meeting

• Roshi to get out test day schedule soon - announcement went out, still more work to do
• handsome_pirate to coordinate with cloud folks for cloud testing and where images are to be located - status unknown, re-listed for follow-up next week

Fedora 20 Planning/Status

• Alpha freeze was scheduled for the following day, 09-03
• Installation matrices looked OK, considering current issues with Alpha TC2:
  • x32 images were DOA
  • Several proposed/accepted blockers remained which were causing significant installation issues: #1002806, #1000927, #1002055

ARM status

• trimslice issue with glibc was fixed, but networking was not working at time of meeting
• Pandaboard did not boot at all
• ARM qemu was working well
• highbank appeared to be working for installs: interactive, autopart, lvm
• beaglebone black was actively being worked on as a priority over the pandaboard

Open floor

N/A

Action items

• handsome_pirate to co-ordinate with cloud folks for cloud testing and where images are to be located
• kparal or pschindl to pester brno anaconda folks about #1000927
• tflink to poke roshi about handling test day tickets

IRC Log

tflink	#startmeeting Fedora QA meeting	15:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Sep 2 15:00:43 2013 UTC. The chair is tflink. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:00
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tflink	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	15:00
tflink	#topic Roll Call	15:00
tflink	#chair kparal pschindl	15:00
zodbot	Current chairs: kparal pschindl tflink	15:00
ignatenkobrain	.fasinfo ignatenkobrain	15:01
zodbot	ignatenkobrain: User: ignatenkobrain, Name: Igor Gnatenko, email: i.gnatenko.brain@gmail.com, Creation: 2013-04-12, IRC Nick: ignatenkobrain, Timezone: Europe/Moscow, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 21B0C5E9, Status: active	15:01
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zodbot	ignatenkobrain: Approved Groups: fedorabugs packager cla_done cla_fpca	15:01
ignatenkobrain	hi all!	15:01
* pschindl is here		15:01
tflink	ignatenkobrain, pschindl: welcome, welcome	15:02
pschindl	tflink: good morning	15:03
spstarr	hullo	15:03
ignatenkobrain	tflink: you too ;)	15:03
tflink	still missing a few folks	15:04
* jskladan checks in		15:04
* kparal arrives late		15:05
kparal	pschindl: thanks	15:06
tflink	alrighty, lets get started	15:06
tflink	#topic Previous Meeting Followup	15:07
tflink	#info Roshi to get out test day schedule soon	15:07
tflink	I do believe that he started on this	15:07
tflink	but there are several test day tickets which need to be addressed	15:08
tflink	#info announcement has gone out, still more work to do	15:08
tflink	#info handsome_pirate to coordinate with cloud folks for cloud testing and where images are to be located	15:09
tflink	does anyone know more about the status on this?	15:09
* tflink has no idea if this was done or not, does not see mr. pirate online ATM		15:10
tflink	#undo	15:10
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tflink	#info handsome_pirate to coordinate with cloud folks for cloud testing and where images are to be located - UNKNOWN status	15:10
tflink	#action handsome_pirate to coordinate with cloud folks for cloud testing and where images are to be located	15:11
tflink	anything else from last week that I missed?	15:11
* tflink assumes not		15:12
tflink	moving on	15:12
tflink	#topic Fedora 20 Alpha Status/Planning	15:12
tflink	#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_20_Alpha_TC2_Install?rd=Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test	15:13
tflink	#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_20_Alpha_TC2_Desktop	15:13
tflink	the installation matrices look OK to me for coverage	15:14
kparal	32b images are dead atm	15:14
tflink	still missing quite a few results but I suspect that they've been covered otherwise	15:14
ignatenkobrain	.bug 1000889	15:14
zodbot	ignatenkobrain: Bug 1000889 AttributeError: 'DeviceFormat' object has no attribute 'mount' - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1000889	15:14
ignatenkobrain	I can't boot netinst	15:14
ignatenkobrain	on x86_64	15:14
kparal	ignatenkobrain: already accepted as blocker	15:15
kparal	we know about it	15:15
ignatenkobrain	kparal: ack	15:15
tflink	#info installation matrices look OK, considering current issues with F20 alpha TC2	15:15
tflink	in retrospect, should have done F20 issues first	15:16
tflink	messy minutes FTW!	15:16
tflink	#topic F20 Issues	15:16
tflink	#info x32 images are DOA	15:17
spstarr	happy holiday Monday  ;)	15:17
tflink	#info several proposed/accepted blockers remain which are causing significant installation issues	15:18
tflink	#link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/20/alpha/buglist	15:18
spstarr	do we have the runlevel is unknown as a blocker bug posted?	15:18
tflink	spstarr: not that I'm aware of, no	15:18
spstarr	i would propose that as a blocker let me get bug #	15:19
spstarr	cannot start X with graphical environment (KDE or GNOME) with no runlevel	15:19
tflink	it looks like the biggest issues ATM are: 1000927 and 1003230	15:19
tflink	note the _biggest_ part of that - not trying to say that the other bugs aren't issues	15:20
kparal	and 1002055	15:20
spstarr	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1002806	15:20
spstarr	note i hit this with PXE/ boot.iso	15:21
tflink	from a quick scan, it doesn't look like there's been much movement on any of these	15:21
tflink	32bit sounds like a huge mess, in general	15:21
tflink	and we freeze tomorrow!	15:21
kparal	spstarr: let's discuss this one outside of the meeting. but you really need to add how-to-reproduce description	15:21
tflink	fun times	15:21
spstarr	kparal: i will append to bug we can discuss in other channel	15:22
spstarr	yes	15:22
kparal	spstarr: and logs	15:22
tflink	is anyone actively poking devs for a fix on any of the bugs we've listed above?	15:22
kparal	the gnome-shell bug seems to be worked on	15:22
kparal	there's no development in 1000927	15:23
kparal	we should raise this in #anaconda	15:23
kparal	hmm, neither in 1000889	15:23
tflink	not sure we'll get much out of them today - most of them are US based or probably have gone home	15:24
kparal	right	15:25
tflink	sounds like we have a todo list for tomorrow, then	15:25
pschindl	Most of anaconda team has vacation these days	15:25
kparal	I or pschindl can ask vpodzime to debug 1000927 tomorrow	15:25
pschindl	kparal: ok	15:26
tflink	#action kparal or pschindl to pester brno anaconda folks about 1000927	15:26
kparal	roger	15:26
kparal	I'll pester pschindl who will forward it to Vratislav	15:27
pschindl	I'll be happy to do that :)	15:27
* tflink can pester devs about #1000889 tomorrow		15:27
pschindl	kparal: maybe I'll ask some of our intern to do that :)	15:27
tflink	wow, the levels of delegation we have :-D	15:27
pschindl	tflink: hopefully they will be online, I heard something about longer vacation, but maybe it was only about Monday	15:28
kparal	the more levels the more efficiency, I heard...	15:28
tflink	someone is off for the next week, clumens, I think?	15:28
tflink	i hope it isn't all of them	15:28
pschindl	1002055 should be fixed in 3.9.91 which should come in Wednesday	15:29
tflink	#info 1002055 will hopfully be fixed by mutter-3.9.91 which should come on wednesday	15:29
* tflink wonders how much more of the gnome stack will come with it, but that is a different question		15:30
tflink	any other huge issues that need driving/annoyance-phasers?	15:30
kparal	pschindl: no it won't	15:31
ignatenkobrain	not from me	15:31
tflink	the rest will come up tomorrow or at the blocker meeting on wednesday, I suppose	15:31
kparal	pschindl: read comment 23	15:32
pschindl	kparal: "drago01: pschindl: should be in 3.9.91 which should be released soon (today or tomorrow)" that's what I just read on #fedora-desktop	15:32
kparal	pschindl: ah, great news then	15:32
drago01	kparal: fwiw here is the upstream commit https://git.gnome.org/browse/mutter/commit/?id=46f4ea7ed7daf89f	15:33
tflink	sweet	15:34
tflink	drago01: i assume that means that there will be no build to test until that's released?	15:34
drago01	tflink: that's an obvious fix imo but I can get you a scratch build if you want that	15:35
pschindl	only issue is 3.9.91 build of Gnome. I'm not sure, if it could go to compose after freeze. But I assume that if we have this blocker ...	15:35
tflink	yeah, I was wondering that as well	15:35
drago01	tflink: but florian might gets the release done today we could just get 3.9.91	15:35
tflink	not sure we want to pull in an entire gnome release as a blocker	15:35
pschindl	tflink: it should come the day after tomorrow. And I think it would be great to test it as soon as possible.	15:36
kparal	tflink: what could possibly go wrong?	15:36
tflink	kparal: that's a scary question :)	15:36
tflink	either way, it sounds like we're waiting on new builds to test that	15:37
tflink	if we're lucky, it'll get done today and we'll be able to avoid the question of whether or not to pull in a new gnome release as a blocker	15:37
* tflink hasn't been following gnome all that closely, is 3.9.91 a big change?		15:38
tflink	eh, we're getting off into the weeds, will discuss outside meeting	15:38
pschindl	It was told to me that it should come in next few days	15:38
tflink	on to the next topic	15:38
tflink	#topic Fedora 20 Alpha ARM devices	15:38
drago01	tflink: .90 -> .91 is going from beta to rc	15:39
tflink	I suspect that there is nobody around to answer the question of which devices actually work now	15:39
tflink	IIRC, there was a possible fix for the trimslice	15:39
kparal	maybe pwhalen knows?	15:39
kparal	if he's here	15:39
tflink	he's US based	15:39
tflink	sane people don't work on holidays	15:40
tflink	:)	15:40
Southern_Gentlem	tflink, wanna bet	15:40
kparal	Southern_Gentlem: tflink is US based as well	15:40
kparal	I completely forgot	15:40
tflink	hence the "sane" part	15:40
Southern_Gentlem	work today to go to OLF later	15:40
Southern_Gentlem	seems sane to me	15:41
tflink	OLF?	15:41
kparal	on friday I tested qemu emulation of arm. it's insanely slow, but it works	15:41
pwhalen	tflink, trimslice issue is fixed	15:42
kparal	speaking of the devil...	15:42
tflink	#info trimslice issue with glibc is fixed	15:42
tflink	pwhalen: what about omap?	15:42
tflink	or was it specific to pandaboard?	15:42
pwhalen	we'd like to not decalre any hw blockers for f20 for arm	15:43
pwhalen	tflink, omap issue is still outstanding	15:43
tflink	pwhalen: ok, but which platforms are actually working ATM?	15:44
tflink	I don't see any non-minimal passes in the matrices for TC2	15:44
pschindl	Does anyone checked if fix for #979174 works fine?	15:45
pwhalen	Ive tested most of them in qemu to see if they booted etc. the trimslice glibc issue is fixed, however there is no network right now	15:45
tflink	so we still don't have any common hardware that can run the images?	15:46
pwhalen	panda doesnt boot at all, qemu works well, on highbank ive done a number of installs, interactive, autopart , lvm	15:46
kparal	any news with beaglebone black?	15:47
pwhalen	qemu works well, but no network on trimslice	15:47
tflink	#info the trimslice glibc issue is fixed, however there is no network right now	15:47
tflink	#info panda doesnt boot at all	15:48
pwhalen	beaglebone black is actively being worked on as a priority over the pandaboard	15:48
tflink	#info [arm] qemu works well	15:48
tflink	#info highbank appears to be working for installs: interactive, autopart , lvm	15:49
pwhalen	pandaboard is dead upstream unfortunately	15:49
tflink	#info beaglebone black is actively being worked on as a priority over the pandaboard	15:49
tflink	a casualty of TIs strategy change, I assume	15:49
tflink	but we still have no common ARM platforms working a day before alpha freeze	15:50
tflink	unless I'm missing something	15:50
pwhalen	so we expect things to change shortly with hw, but dont think the kernel issues should block a release	15:50
tflink	any guesses on timeframe?	15:51
tflink	days/weeks/months etc.?	15:51
pwhalen	kyles pretty awesome, so I say days.. but would feel more comfortable talking with him tomorrow about it	15:52
tflink	ok	15:52
* tflink needs to look back on the fesco decision and see if there were any comments about working HW for PA		15:53
tflink	anyhow, we're running short on time	15:53
tflink	#topic Fedora 20 Alpha Testing	15:53
tflink	I don't think there's much to say here	15:53
tflink	more testing to do, annoyance-phasers to hand out	15:53
tflink	#info Fedora 20 Alpha Freeze is Tomorrow 2013-09-03	15:54
tflink	so bodhi will be turned on tomorrow	15:54
tflink	the usual rush for blocker/FE status will follow shortly, I assume	15:54
kparal	yay	15:55
tflink	anything that should be called out which hasn't already?	15:55
tflink	hasn't already been mentioned, rather	15:55
* kparal hasn't received his phaser yet		15:55
tflink	#action tflink to poke roshi about handling test day tickets	15:55
tflink	kparal: we'll have to fix that soon :)	15:56
tflink	then it's time for ...	15:56
tflink	#topic Open Floor	15:56
tflink	Anything else that should be brought up?	15:56
kparal	bacon	15:56
kparal	umm, sorry	15:56
* tflink will never understand the obsession some people have with bacon		15:57
tflink	If there's nothing else ...	15:57
* kparal is looking forward to his supper		15:57
rcheleguini	hey all, I'm Raul, would like to start help fedora with QA	15:57
tflink	rcheleguini: welcome! is there anything in particular that you'd like to work on?	15:58
kparal	rcheleguini: that's great, welcome!	15:58
rcheleguini	kparal, tflink thanks!	15:58
* tflink notes that we have ~ 2 minutes left		15:58
rcheleguini	tflink, yes, since I don't have background with QA, I will need some help :)	15:58
kparal	rcheleguini: let's continue this in #fedora-qa outside of the meeting	15:59
tflink	yep, my thoughts exactly	15:59
rcheleguini	I've signed the lists and I'm following the channels here in freenode	15:59
rcheleguini	sounds good	15:59
rcheleguini	thanks!	15:59
* tflink sets a short patent-pending nondeterministic QA fuse		15:59
tflink	Thanks for coming everyone!	15:59
tflink	Keep up the good work!	15:59
tflink	#endmeeting	16:00

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