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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-05-05
F9 Release Candidate
- A few things holding up the release candidate
- texlive
- X crashing on evdev removal during installer (kvms)
- packagekit that just got built.
- emacs has broken alternatives and is still on the blocker list
- conflict between rsyslog and syslog-ng
Posting F9 Release Candiate
- Once we have RC spun and are testing it we should pre-process the pending F9 updates and get them pushed into directories
- We should also have tickets filed for releases tasks that we need to make sure happen like export approval filing, etc.
Rawhide Switch to F10
- BugZappers want to cooridnate with bugzilla versioning and rawhide rebase
- Most likely rawhide composes starting on May 8th or 9th will become F10
- f13 to keep poelcat updated
IRC Transcript
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Roll Call | <a href="#t01:00" class="time">01:00</a> | |
| f13 | ping: notting jeremy jwb spot lmacken rdieter wwoods warren | <a href="#t01:00" class="time">01:00</a> |
|---|---|---|
| jwb | sort of here | <a href="#t01:00" class="time">01:00</a> |
| rdieter | yo | <a href="#t01:00" class="time">01:00</a> |
| * notting is here | <a href="#t01:00" class="time">01:00</a> | |
| * poelcat here | <a href="#t01:02" class="time">01:02</a> | |
| * lmacken here | <a href="#t01:02" class="time">01:02</a> | |
| f13 | ok, lets get started. | <a href="#t01:03" class="time">01:03</a> |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Releng - Release Candidate F9 | <a href="#t01:03" class="time">01:03</a> | |
| f13 | We know of a few things holding up the release candidate. texlive, X crashing on evdev removal during installer (kvms), and a packagekit that just got built. | <a href="#t01:04" class="time">01:04</a> |
| notting | pk is tagged | <a href="#t01:04" class="time">01:04</a> |
| notting | f13: emacs having broken alternatives is still on the blocker list | <a href="#t01:04" class="time">01:04</a> |
| f13 | ah | <a href="#t01:04" class="time">01:04</a> |
| f13 | I thought that got fixed. Guess not | <a href="#t01:04" class="time">01:04</a> |
| warren | is the PK build related to the GPG problems? | <a href="#t01:04" class="time">01:04</a> |
| notting | no | <a href="#t01:04" class="time">01:04</a> |
| notting | it's a traceback in the yum backend | <a href="#t01:05" class="time">01:05</a> |
| spot | i can't reproduce that emacs failure | <a href="#t01:05" class="time">01:05</a> |
| spot | at all | <a href="#t01:05" class="time">01:05</a> |
| spot | jrb says he can, but he's not sure how he got his system into that state | <a href="#t01:05" class="time">01:05</a> |
| * wwoods testing stuff | <a href="#t01:05" class="time">01:05</a> | |
| spot | something about starting at F8 and updating | <a href="#t01:05" class="time">01:05</a> |
| wwoods | X-crashing-on-evdev-removal is not all machines | <a href="#t01:05" class="time">01:05</a> |
| wwoods | I can't produce that bug | <a href="#t01:06" class="time">01:06</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: you're likely not getting detected as evdev | <a href="#t01:06" class="time">01:06</a> |
| wwoods | right | <a href="#t01:06" class="time">01:06</a> |
| notting | f13: have you successfully cornered ajax? | <a href="#t01:06" class="time">01:06</a> |
| f13 | notting: was waiting for him to finish lunch | <a href="#t01:06" class="time">01:06</a> |
| f13 | and now I need to go find where he actually sits. | <a href="#t01:06" class="time">01:06</a> |
| wwoods | it should only happen on machines with devices that are keyboard *and* mouse combos, *and* you have to insert/remove a keyboard/mouse | <a href="#t01:06" class="time">01:06</a> |
| notting | wwoods: hm, would a ps/2 converter count? | <a href="#t01:07" class="time">01:07</a> |
| f13 | notting: that may pop as evdev | <a href="#t01:07" class="time">01:07</a> |
| warren | I have a two PS/2 to USB converter at home | <a href="#t01:07" class="time">01:07</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: this isn't a combo, it's a real mouse, usb, plugged into the keyboard, also usb | <a href="#t01:07" class="time">01:07</a> |
| notting | and is this anaconda only or post-install too? | <a href="#t01:07" class="time">01:07</a> |
| f13 | notting: I've only see it during anaconda | <a href="#t01:08" class="time">01:08</a> |
| f13 | but I don't spend much time out of anaconda in this setup | <a href="#t01:08" class="time">01:08</a> |
| f13 | and from earlier fun with evdev, we know htat the combo detection is a little bad, there are lots of systems that get picked up as combos when they aren't | <a href="#t01:08" class="time">01:08</a> |
| f13 | this can also lead to bad keyboard shortcuts post-install if the detection is wrong | <a href="#t01:09" class="time">01:09</a> |
| f13 | ajax had said something about neutering evdev to not claim combo devices | <a href="#t01:09" class="time">01:09</a> |
| notting | yes... but... not a blocker. x crashing may be a blocker | <a href="#t01:09" class="time">01:09</a> |
| * spot will try to reproduce that emacs blocker again today | <a href="#t01:09" class="time">01:09</a> | |
| f13 | other than those, I think we're in OK shape. We're working our way through the testing matrix | <a href="#t01:11" class="time">01:11</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: would you consider the syslog-ng and rsyslog conflict a blocker? | <a href="#t01:11" class="time">01:11</a> |
| warren | f13: is the fix simple? | <a href="#t01:11" class="time">01:11</a> |
| notting | #? | <a href="#t01:12" class="time">01:12</a> |
| f13 | I don't know if wwoods filed a bug on it. | <a href="#t01:12" class="time">01:12</a> |
| f13 | warren: don't know. | <a href="#t01:12" class="time">01:12</a> |
| * notting says 'probably not, as there are certainly multilib conflicts somewhere we haven't noticed' | <a href="#t01:12" class="time">01:12</a> | |
| f13 | Ok. | <a href="#t01:13" class="time">01:13</a> |
| f13 | so ideally we'll get the fixes in today for the things that are blockers, and spin the real RC from tomorrow's rawhide. | <a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a> |
| wwoods | I'm doing a small-e "everything" install from the x86_64 DVD right now | <a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a> |
| f13 | also I can start pre-syncing content to PHX since everything is signed and there are going to be minimal changes | <a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a> |
| wwoods | it's <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=441664">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=441664</a> essentially | <a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a> |
| buggbot | Bug 441664: low, low, ---, Peter Vrabec, NEW , rsyslog should explicitly conflict with syslog-ng | <a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a> |
| wwoods | they both ship /etc/logrotate.d/syslog | <a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a> |
| wwoods | which, wtf | <a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a> |
| f13 | explicitly conflict is verboten | <a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a> |
| f13 | maybe they need to be taught about alternatives | <a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a> |
| wwoods | why doesn't rsyslog just ship /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog | <a href="#t01:15" class="time">01:15</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: or that | <a href="#t01:15" class="time">01:15</a> |
| notting | wwoods: i'm inclined to leave it, it's not a regression, right? | <a href="#t01:16" class="time">01:16</a> |
| wwoods | no, don't think it's a regression | <a href="#t01:16" class="time">01:16</a> |
| wwoods | stupid, yes. probably a simple fix, yes. but not a huge problem either | <a href="#t01:16" class="time">01:16</a> |
| wwoods | solution: don't install both packages | <a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a> |
| wwoods | I guess we could also fix it by dropping syslog-ng from the media | <a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a> |
| notting | it's on the media???? | <a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a> |
| warren | that doesn't belong there | <a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a> |
| notting | it shouldn't be | <a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a> |
| wwoods | yeah, that's the whole problem | <a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a> |
| notting | f13: can you fix *that*? | <a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a> |
| wwoods | installing everything in comps on the media (i.e. checking every "install all optional packages" box for everything in the installer) | <a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a> |
| wwoods | gives you "file conflict" crashy badness | <a href="#t01:18" class="time">01:18</a> |
| notting | wwoods: from reading it, the f8 packages ATM have an explicit Conflicts:. so i'd rather not rush a special fix for f9 | <a href="#t01:18" class="time">01:18</a> |
| wwoods | solution: uncheck syslog-ng | <a href="#t01:18" class="time">01:18</a> |
| wwoods | better solution: don't put it on the stupid media | <a href="#t01:18" class="time">01:18</a> |
| f13 | whoh | <a href="#t01:18" class="time">01:18</a> |
| wwoods | shipping a package known to conflict with something in @base seems obviously bad | <a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a> |
| mether | why did we put it on the media before? | <a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a> |
| f13 | need to find out why it's on the media | <a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a> |
| notting | f13: this is presumably b/c of pungi pulling all providers of 'syslog'? | <a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a> |
| f13 | mether: we didn't explicitly | <a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a> |
| f13 | notting: oh yeah, I bet that's it. | <a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a> |
| f13 | we can just drop a -rsyslog in the manifest | <a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a> |
| notting | f13: otherway | <a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a> |
| f13 | er yea | <a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a> |
| f13 | sorry | <a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a> |
| notting | +1 to -syslog-ng in the manifest | <a href="#t01:20" class="time">01:20</a> |
| warren | totally +1 | <a href="#t01:20" class="time">01:20</a> |
| f13 | I'll toss that into pungi today and ask for a tag request. | <a href="#t01:20" class="time">01:20</a> |
| f13 | incidentally that'll require a bumped fedora-release too | <a href="#t01:20" class="time">01:20</a> |
| f13 | (since we ship the config there as well) | <a href="#t01:20" class="time">01:20</a> |
| warren | not a big loss | <a href="#t01:21" class="time">01:21</a> |
| notting | f13: tangent: did the ppc compose box survive the move? | <a href="#t01:21" class="time">01:21</a> |
| f13 | notting: hrm, I haven't seen clumens in yet | <a href="#t01:21" class="time">01:21</a> |
| f13 | I could hook it up in my cube for now. | <a href="#t01:21" class="time">01:21</a> |
| wwoods | thought he was on a plane? | <a href="#t01:21" class="time">01:21</a> |
| f13 | still? | <a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a> |
| f13 | long plane ride | <a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a> |
| wwoods | <packagereq type="optional">syslog-ng</packagereq> | <a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a> |
| wwoods | yeah it's in comps? | <a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a> |
| wwoods | so | <a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: optional though | <a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: we don't pull optional packages into the media by default, only specific ones/groups | <a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a> |
| notting | f13: aside from that, are there any other infrastructural issues preventing a rc compose? | <a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a> |
| wwoods | is -syslog-ng sufficient? | <a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a> |
| wwoods | 'kay | <a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a> |
| f13 | this is just a case of "give me everything that provides 'syslog'" | <a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: should be. | <a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a> |
| f13 | notting: none that I know of. | <a href="#t01:23" class="time">01:23</a> |
| f13 | jwb: ping; have you done any ppc composes lately or installs from rawhide? | <a href="#t01:23" class="time">01:23</a> |
| warren | f13: is a newer tree coming on reducto soon? | <a href="#t01:23" class="time">01:23</a> |
| jwb | f13, i was supposed to have a machine to do so this week. no idea if that will actually happen | <a href="#t01:23" class="time">01:23</a> |
| jwb | (so no) | <a href="#t01:23" class="time">01:23</a> |
| jwb | also, i've been out quite a bit over the last 2 weeks. family issues | <a href="#t01:23" class="time">01:23</a> |
| f13 | warren: there has been only 1 package change since the last reducto tree. | <a href="#t01:24" class="time">01:24</a> |
| f13 | jwb: ok. | <a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a> |
| warren | ah, ok | <a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a> |
| f13 | we'll fly a bit blind with ppc then. | <a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a> |
| f13 | I no longer have machines to test with | <a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a> |
| jwb | f13, understandable. we fixed the dvd size issue, yes? | <a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a> |
| f13 | I do believe so | <a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a> |
| jwb | k. we should pester dwmw2_gone | <a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a> |
| f13 | those excludes are in the pungi package now. For reals. | <a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a> |
| jwb | fo shizzle | <a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a> |
| f13 | alright, anything else regarding the release candidate? | <a href="#t01:26" class="time">01:26</a> |
| warren | wwoods: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora9Install/FinalRelease">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora9Install/FinalRelease</a> how did people on the outside get the RC in order to test this? | <a href="#t01:26" class="time">01:26</a> |
| notting | f13: one? there's PK and allegro | <a href="#t01:26" class="time">01:26</a> |
| notting | (at least) | <a href="#t01:26" class="time">01:26</a> |
| f13 | warren: they used rawhide, which is acceptable. | <a href="#t01:26" class="time">01:26</a> |
| warren | oh | <a href="#t01:26" class="time">01:26</a> |
| f13 | notting: those didn't make today's rawhide | <a href="#t01:27" class="time">01:27</a> |
| notting | f13: sorry, confusing last tree/rawhide/post-rawhide-today | <a href="#t01:27" class="time">01:27</a> |
| f13 | notting: I meant changes in rawhide. Pulling packages down and making a local repo is possible, manually figuring out what should be multilib. | <a href="#t01:27" class="time">01:27</a> |
| wwoods | warren: presumably they used rawhide, or built their own images | <a href="#t01:27" class="time">01:27</a> |
| notting | f13: ok, have box with ps/2 keyboard, usb keyboard, usb mouse, and two ps/2->usb converters attached. :) | <a href="#t01:28" class="time">01:28</a> |
| warren | InstallSourceHardDrive being broken is a little sad | <a href="#t01:28" class="time">01:28</a> |
| f13 | warren: some people do use pungi locally to create media too, which is also acceptable/encouraged. | <a href="#t01:28" class="time">01:28</a> |
| f13 | notting: scary | <a href="#t01:28" class="time">01:28</a> |
| f13 | warren: yeah, but without a clumens, I'm not sure we'll see a fix for that soon | <a href="#t01:28" class="time">01:28</a> |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - post-release candidate | <a href="#t01:29" class="time">01:29</a> | |
| warren | where did clumens go? | <a href="#t01:29" class="time">01:29</a> |
| f13 | once we have RC spun and are testing it, we should pre-process the pending F9 updates and get them pushed into directories to make sure that's all hot to trot | <a href="#t01:29" class="time">01:29</a> |
| f13 | warren: I don't know | <a href="#t01:29" class="time">01:29</a> |
| * warren tries it | <a href="#t01:30" class="time">01:30</a> | |
| f13 | also, we should have a ticket somewhere for release tasks, or af ew tickets. I probably need to look into those and make some things happen, like export approval filing and such | <a href="#t01:31" class="time">01:31</a> |
| notting | f13: hey, i broke it! | <a href="#t01:31" class="time">01:31</a> |
| f13 | notting: crash? | <a href="#t01:31" class="time">01:31</a> |
| notting | f13: yeah | <a href="#t01:31" class="time">01:31</a> |
| notting | now, how to debug??? | <a href="#t01:31" class="time">01:31</a> |
| f13 | nod. I'll hunt ajax down after the meeting | <a href="#t01:31" class="time">01:31</a> |
| f13 | notting: good luck with that. | <a href="#t01:31" class="time">01:31</a> |
| f13 | it's evdev, I seriously think the answer here is stop evdev from claiming the device in this situation | <a href="#t01:32" class="time">01:32</a> |
| notting | f13: evdev didn't claim anything according to the log | <a href="#t01:32" class="time">01:32</a> |
| f13 | notting: really?! | <a href="#t01:32" class="time">01:32</a> |
| notting | lemme try again, but it didn't appear to | <a href="#t01:32" class="time">01:32</a> |
| f13 | notting: the last thing I see in the log I attached was evdev removal. | <a href="#t01:32" class="time">01:32</a> |
| f13 | er, last thing before the backtrace | <a href="#t01:32" class="time">01:32</a> |
| warren | hm, do we have any means to make a USB installer now? | <a href="#t01:33" class="time">01:33</a> |
| warren | (not live) | <a href="#t01:34" class="time">01:34</a> |
| wwoods | there's a script.. somewhere | <a href="#t01:34" class="time">01:34</a> |
| f13 | warren: nothing official. | <a href="#t01:35" class="time">01:35</a> |
| warren | where's the unofficial? | <a href="#t01:35" class="time">01:35</a> |
| f13 | the script I posted to anaconda-devel list many moons ago | <a href="#t01:35" class="time">01:35</a> |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - Open Floor | <a href="#t01:36" class="time">01:36</a> | |
| warren | f13: if we find a fix for the install from hard drive in the next day is it too late? | <a href="#t01:37" class="time">01:37</a> |
| f13 | warren: probably not. | <a href="#t01:38" class="time">01:38</a> |
| warren | wwoods: is a bug filed for that? | <a href="#t01:38" class="time">01:38</a> |
| wwoods | <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443291">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443291</a> was the NFS iso one | <a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a> |
| buggbot | Bug 443291: medium, low, ---, Anaconda Maintenance Team, CLOSED RAWHIDE, ISO image via NFS, got "Missing ISO 9660 image" and failed to install | <a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a> |
| wwoods | <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443580">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443580</a> | <a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a> |
| f13 | nfsiso is confirmed fixed | <a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a> |
| buggbot | Bug 443580: low, low, ---, Chris Lumens, CLOSED DUPLICATE, Hard disk installation fails | <a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a> |
| wwoods | is the hdiso variant | <a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a> |
| wwoods | which was closed as a dupe of the former | <a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a> |
| f13 | hdiso is now failing for some other reason | <a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a> |
| warren | f13: could you throw that into source control anywhere? | <a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a> |
| wwoods | guess I'll reopen it? | <a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a> |
| poelcat | f13: did you see my mail asking when rawhide will start composing from devel branch again? | <a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: probably best, and throw in the latest logs which should show something else. | <a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a> |
| warren | wwoods: do we have a full anaconda log of the failure? | <a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a> |
| warren | wwoods: the new failure | <a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a> |
| f13 | poelcat: I did not, that'll likely be once I start syncing the GOLD bits to the mirrors | <a href="#t01:40" class="time">01:40</a> |
| poelcat | f13: want to coordinate it w/ bugzilla versioning | <a href="#t01:40" class="time">01:40</a> |
| f13 | actually | <a href="#t01:40" class="time">01:40</a> |
| * f13 thinks. | <a href="#t01:40" class="time">01:40</a> | |
| f13 | We kind of have to wait until F9 goes public due to mirror manager redirection | <a href="#t01:40" class="time">01:40</a> |
| f13 | or else people will just get yum failures for a few days | <a href="#t01:41" class="time">01:41</a> |
| wwoods | warren: they're not interesting | <a href="#t01:41" class="time">01:41</a> |
| wwoods | but yeah, I can get some | <a href="#t01:41" class="time">01:41</a> |
| poelcat | f13: so that would mean, not until 2008-05-13 ? | <a href="#t01:42" class="time">01:42</a> |
| f13 | poelcat: actually, what we might be able to do, is create empty updates repos and get those synced out, and point all f9 requests to the udpates directory | <a href="#t01:43" class="time">01:43</a> |
| f13 | poelcat: that way we can let rawhide move on earlier than that, this week, and not break people who are on F9. | <a href="#t01:44" class="time">01:44</a> |
| f13 | poelcat: I'll start a conversation with mdomsch and co about this | <a href="#t01:44" class="time">01:44</a> |
| f13 | poelcat: I'd say either the 8th or the 9th rawhide will become F10 | <a href="#t01:44" class="time">01:44</a> |
| poelcat | f13: okay, that is helpful... can you keep me in the loop? | <a href="#t01:44" class="time">01:44</a> |
| f13 | yes | <a href="#t01:45" class="time">01:45</a> |
| poelcat | i'll re-fwd that mail | <a href="#t01:45" class="time">01:45</a> |
| notting | f13: crashing in core server code | <a href="#t01:46" class="time">01:46</a> |
| f13 | Ok, if there is nothing else, I'm going to go hunt down ajax. | <a href="#t01:48" class="time">01:48</a> |
| f13 | Ok, rock and roll. | <a href="#t01:49" class="time">01:49</a> |
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