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Transcript of Marketing meeting, Feb. 19, 2009
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| * spevack is like the Meeting Terminator today | 20:02 | |
| moixs | hehe :) | 20:03 |
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| spevack | charging from one to another and leaving destruction in my wake | 20:03 |
| themayor | lol | 20:04 |
| themayor | how many are here so far | 20:04 |
| biertie | biertie here! | 20:04 |
| moixs | Rolling call? | 20:04 |
| biertie | .fas biertie | 20:04 |
| zodbot | biertie: biertie 'Bert Desmet' <bert@devnox.be> | 20:04 |
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| themayor | yeah roll call i guess | 20:05 |
| moixs | Steven Moix | 20:05 |
| themayor | lets make it quick i dont want to fall behind | 20:05 |
| mizmo-out | hi | 20:06 |
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| fugolini | FrancescoUgolini | 20:06 |
| * themayor waves to mizmo | 20:06 | |
| mizmo | Máirín Duffy | 20:06 |
| mizmo | yo themayor | 20:06 |
| themayor | lcafeiro is on his way to scale i know that | 20:07 |
| spevack | Max | 20:08 |
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| spevack | still trying to extract himself from #fedora-ambassadors meeting | 20:08 |
| themayor | np | 20:08 |
| themayor | alright, moixs youre recording, right? | 20:08 |
| moixs | This time, yes :) | 20:08 |
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| themayor | okay thanks for that | 20:09 |
| themayor | did you see the not about the irclog2html thing? | 20:09 |
| themayor | should make your life alot easier | 20:09 |
| moixs | Yes, I already experimented with it | 20:10 |
| themayor | okay great | 20:10 |
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| moixs | should be up 1 minute after the meeting ;) So spevack should be happy | 20:10 |
| themayor | anyway, lets move on to bigger and better things then | 20:10 |
| * spevack is willing to give you 10 minutes :) | 20:10 | |
| themayor | lol | 20:11 |
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| spevack | ping? | 20:11 |
| themayor | yeah | 20:12 |
| themayor | i was looking something up in email | 20:12 |
| themayor | alright | 20:12 |
| themayor | so im glad that people were receptive to the new idea | 20:12 |
| themayor | so we gonna start working from that starting from this meeting | 20:13 |
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| themayor | i kind of sucks that ianweller and jonrob cant make it to the meetings anymore | 20:13 |
| fugolini | can we have a new meeting time? | 20:14 |
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| fugolini | (to have them here) | 20:14 |
| themayor | if thats what everyone wants and it will get more people here, then sure, im not opposed | 20:14 |
| spevack | well, let's do what we can today, without them. is there anything on our agenda that doesn't involve ian or jonrob? | 20:14 |
| herlo | a couple hours later in the day would probably all that needs to happen... | 20:15 |
| themayor | yeah, yes, i was about to say, lets not discuss it right now, but do it on the list | 20:15 |
| moixs | a couple of hours later is in the middle of the night in europe :p | 20:15 |
| biertie | a couple hours = like...? :p | 20:15 |
| themayor | it might need to be earlier actually | 20:15 |
| * herlo agrees with spevack, however | 20:15 | |
| biertie | I can come till 21 or 22h utc :) | 20:15 |
| moixs | Let's ask this on the mailinglist | 20:16 |
| herlo | this can be discussed on the ml | 20:16 |
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| fugolini | +1 | 20:16 |
| themayor | okay, can someone be the wrangler for this stuff and try and coordinate between everyone? | 20:16 |
| themayor | and then report back to us next week? | 20:16 |
| moixs | I'll do it | 20:16 |
| themayor | or send an official mail to the list regarding what should be done | 20:16 |
| themayor | moixs: thanks again man | 20:16 |
| themayor | ideally if we are going to change times, we should have it done by next week already | 20:17 |
| themayor | agreed? | 20:17 |
| spevack | yes | 20:17 |
| biertie | agreed :) | 20:17 |
| themayor | okay good | 20:17 |
| themayor | now moving on, moixs thanks for your post to the list about action items that should be on the calendar | 20:18 |
| themayor | did everyone see that? | 20:18 |
| * biertie did | 20:18 | |
| moixs | I think that this should be put on the wiki so everyone can add ideas in the subtasks | 20:18 |
| themayor | yes agreed | 20:19 |
| themayor | i was going to ask you if you thought you had time to do so | 20:19 |
| themayor | so the schedule from now on is going to be on Marketing/Schedule/Current | 20:20 |
| themayor | and thats going to be a link to Marketing/Schedule/Fedora 11 Marketing Schedule | 20:20 |
| spevack | themayor: you mean Current_marketing_schedule to keep our wiki overlords happy :) | 20:20 |
| spevack | and Category:Marketing | 20:21 |
| themayor | yeah whatever | 20:21 |
| themayor | im bad with that stuff, i need to work with pfrields or kwade to get that stuff in order | 20:21 |
| spevack | Well, we start by making any new pages in the proper fashion | 20:21 |
| themayor | but conceptually, we are on the same page | 20:21 |
| spevack | yes, please continue | 20:21 |
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| themayor | spevack: yes, thats what i meant | 20:21 |
| moixs | themayor: ok, I'll manage that tomorrow too | 20:22 |
| themayor | i dont even know if i did the current schedule page correctly | 20:22 |
| themayor | because i used Template:Marketing/Schedule/Template and I think thats not good right? | 20:22 |
| spevack | Content is more important than presentation, IMHO. Throw it up on the right page (Current_marketing_schedule) and then clean it up | 20:23 |
| themayor | either way from last week's meeting everyone was supposed to send me tasks that thought should be on there and no one did yet, except for moixs | 20:23 |
| themayor | okay so can we discuss then the range of things which we need to do for each release and then carry that over into specifically f11? | 20:24 |
| spevack | themayor: I thought the tasks that were on JonRob's schedule page were quite complete | 20:24 |
| spevack | themayor: +1 | 20:24 |
| themayor | the stuff thats on there is for now, yes | 20:25 |
| themayor | except there are 1-2 things that need to be added | 20:25 |
| themayor | but anyway, working with what we have | 20:25 |
| themayor | lay press contacts, that list will be up at the meeting next week | 20:25 |
| themayor | i have a list here of people we usually talk to and people we might want to speak to | 20:25 |
| spevack | themayor: who's in charge of the lay press contacts? | 20:26 |
| themayor | due date is 03-03 so i figure if we have it by next week, its enough time for people to look it over and tell me what they think and if we are missing anone | 20:26 |
| themayor | me | 20:26 |
| spevack | ok. :) | 20:26 |
| themayor | of contacting them or making the list? | 20:26 |
| * herlo makes a suggestion about the wiki | 20:26 | |
| spevack | making the list | 20:26 |
| spevack | herlo: suggest away | 20:26 |
| themayor | im responsible for the initial list and i guess we will work with it from there | 20:26 |
| themayor | herlo: go | 20:27 |
| herlo | as you go to pages that have this/that/theother just do a move to the appropriate name this_that_theother | 20:27 |
| herlo | that's what I do | 20:27 |
| spevack | herlo: clever man | 20:27 |
| herlo | it will make moving things around a lot easier | 20:27 |
| herlo | and everyone can help | 20:27 |
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| fugolini | sure | 20:27 |
| herlo | if you don't know what to change it to, ask the WikiCzar :) | 20:27 |
| themayor | we need to make a session where we can meet up and have ian here and work on that stuff | 20:27 |
| moixs | herlo: so the wiki structure is basically completely "flat" now? | 20:28 |
| herlo | moixs: yep | 20:28 |
| herlo | basically | 20:28 |
| moixs | ahha | 20:28 |
| herlo | the trick is to also add categories | 20:28 |
| themayor | if we focus on it for an hour once or twice between now and say 2 weeks from now, we could accomplish quite alot | 20:28 |
| herlo | like at the bottom of the pages making them relevant and they'll show up in the category pages | 20:28 |
| herlo | that's how mediawiki categorizes things | 20:29 |
| themayor | ill kickstart that discussion on the list right now actually | 20:29 |
| moixs | herlo: yep, I've seen that, thanks | 20:29 |
| herlo | np, good luck all | 20:29 |
| moixs | themayor: include a discussion about pages we could delete | 20:29 |
| herlo | feel free to hit me up with q's too | 20:29 |
| themayor | herlo: would you want to help lead one of those session then maybe? | 20:29 |
| herlo | moixs: deleting pages is a whole other discussion | 20:29 |
| herlo | themayor: sure | 20:29 |
| moixs | herlo: may I ask why? | 20:30 |
| themayor | okay awesome, thanks, just reply to the thread and we will figure out the logsitics together i guess | 20:30 |
| herlo | moixs: in #fedora-mktg, I'll explain so we don't detract | 20:31 |
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| themayor | okay great | 20:31 |
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| themayor | anyway, now, so we have tasks for f11 set more or less, we will add things to it, im sure, so i want to talk generally now | 20:32 |
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| themayor | lets walk through a release cycle and try and enumerate what we need to do, just to get an inital list | 20:32 |
| themayor | sound good? | 20:32 |
| fugolini | yes | 20:32 |
| spevack | go for it | 20:32 |
| herlo | +1 | 20:33 |
| themayor | okay so one thing i was having kind of a struggle with was this | 20:33 |
| themayor | lets start at 6 weeks prior to an alpha | 20:33 |
| moixs | themayor: let me put my list quickly on the wiki so we can update it in real time | 20:33 |
| themayor | okay sure | 20:33 |
| moixs | it will be more efficient than doing it afterwards | 20:34 |
| spevack | themayor: is 6 weeks prior to alpha basically the previous release? | 20:34 |
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| themayor | its a little after isnt it? | 20:34 |
| themayor | the alpha doesnt come out 6 weeks after GA | 20:34 |
| moixs | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule/Template | 20:35 |
| themayor | unless im misunderstanding what you are asking | 20:35 |
| spevack | themayor: you understand me | 20:35 |
| moixs | here you go, can you update it during the meeting? | 20:35 |
| spevack | carry on, sorry | 20:35 |
| themayor | yeah one second the page is taking a while to refresh maybe a cache flush | 20:36 |
| spevack | moixs: pretty good list, there | 20:36 |
| spevack | what does " * Renew the news distribution network people list to always have " mean? | 20:36 |
| themayor | he means have it update for this release | 20:36 |
| themayor | meaning if there is stale info on it or someone we dont want to deal with | 20:36 |
| moixs | spevack: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/NewsDistributionNetwork | 20:37 |
| moixs | yes, to avoid te ambassador effect :) | 20:37 |
| moixs | I think it would be a good idea to ask people at every cycle if they still want the job | 20:37 |
| moixs | 2-3 people per language, not hard to manage | 20:38 |
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| spevack | ok, makes sense. I think we need a checkpoint other than "FUDCon" though, since there is not always guaranteed to be a FUDCon at the right time in the release cycle | 20:38 |
| themayor | yeah thats why i said 6 weeks prior to alpha | 20:39 |
| spevack | all the checkpoints should be at a certain date, X weeks/days before the release date | 20:39 |
| spevack | themayor: yeah | 20:39 |
| * spevack updates the page | 20:39 | |
| moixs | Ok, change it to "Alpha -6 weeks" or something like that | 20:39 |
| themayor | i like t-minus X weeks to alpha, beta, etc | 20:39 |
| spevack | done | 20:39 |
| themayor | alpha-6 | 20:39 |
| moixs | So, what do you see us doing in this period? | 20:40 |
| themayor | okay also one VERY important thing | 20:40 |
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| themayor | talking points | 20:40 |
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| themayor | and have the first of the two meetings between us, fam, docs and art | 20:41 |
| themayor | actually, mizmo, when do you start developing themes for a new release? | 20:41 |
| mizmo | themayor, we already started | 20:42 |
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| mizmo | themayor, we'll have a wallpaper in the beta | 20:42 |
| mizmo | (a rough cut i might add) | 20:42 |
| mizmo | (very rough) | 20:42 |
| themayor | no i know, but im saying in the future, in general how many weeks before | 20:42 |
| mizmo | it's changed every release. generally we've been pushing further and further back so we are as early as we can | 20:43 |
| mizmo | be | 20:43 |
| * herlo thinks those points in time should be defined as 'Milestones' of their own maybe? | 20:43 | |
| herlo | and can be defined against alpha beta or GA? | 20:43 |
| themayor | yes | 20:44 |
| themayor | this is why we need to have those types of meetings | 20:44 |
| herlo | that way, they can move a little... | 20:44 |
| themayor | to iron out policy and process to coordinate | 20:44 |
| herlo | right | 20:44 |
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| mizmo | poelcat does have that all defined in his f11 schedule | 20:45 |
| themayor | right we are trying to set up the same thing for marketing, as a general template for every release | 20:45 |
| themayor | mizmo: for f12 is 6 weeks before alpha too late to sit down and talk about the artwork for you guys? | 20:46 |
| mizmo | themayor, not if we have a release name by then | 20:47 |
| mizmo | we did not for the f11 alpha -6 weeks | 20:47 |
| mizmo | iirc | 20:47 |
| themayor | ah ha, good point, art would naturally be tied to release name somewhow | 20:48 |
| moixs | Ah yes, the release name is an important trigger too..do we have an idea when this comes? | 20:48 |
| themayor | how long before alpha is name voting done? spevack do you know? | 20:48 |
| spevack | themayor: let me look back at F11 and i'll tell you in a few mins | 20:49 |
| fugolini | ping | 20:49 |
| * herlo thinks we call that a Milestone: Official Codename Announced | 20:49 | |
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| mizmo | themayor, you'll probably want to look at poelcat's schedule, he has all these milestones on it | 20:49 |
| spevack | themayor: voting began on Jan 5 | 20:49 |
| spevack | so about 1 month before alpha | 20:50 |
| themayor | i did i dont remember seeing that | 20:50 |
| themayor | let me look again | 20:50 |
| mizmo | it should be, he had it out at fudcon boston not long ago | 20:50 |
| mizmo | and i remember that being on there | 20:50 |
| themayor | i was going to sit with poelstra regardless on our template schedule to make sure everything looks kosher to him | 20:50 |
| moixs | I have this in the news archive page :p | 20:50 |
| spevack | themayor: good idea | 20:51 |
| themayor | mizmo: no im not denying youre right, im just blaming my bad memory and over-involvedness | 20:51 |
| moixs | 12.01 | 20:51 |
| herlo | http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/ | 20:51 |
| mizmo | its all good :) | 20:51 |
| moixs | And the alpha was released on 06.02 | 20:51 |
| herlo | does that help? | 20:51 |
| themayor | either way, that fits in the alpha minus 6 timeframe, so in a word, yes, its good to have that meeting then | 20:51 |
| themayor | its perfect, right before we have the name, art should be gearing up, ambassadors are doing what they do and docs is working on retooling things for the next release | 20:52 |
| mizmo | well we need an extra two weeks | 20:53 |
| mizmo | the voting began on jan 5 | 20:53 |
| mizmo | the name was decided when? | 20:53 |
| herlo | at fudcon | 20:53 |
| moixs | 12.01 | 20:53 |
| moixs | or 01.12 in US notation | 20:53 |
| herlo | ty | 20:53 |
| * herlo was gettign so confused :) | 20:53 | |
| mizmo | so the art team gets 2 weeks to figure out what to visually represent? | 20:53 |
| * mizmo doesnt remember what it was for f11 | 20:54 | |
| mizmo | i think it was feb 2 | 20:54 |
| mizmo | so we did get 2 weeks | 20:54 |
| mizmo | i mean, 6 weeks before the alpha, the first 4 weeks the art team is not going to know what they are doing for the artwork | 20:54 |
| mizmo | and you were interested in 6 weeks before | 20:54 |
| themayor | mizmo: you dont have to have decision or anything by then | 20:55 |
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| themayor | its just like a pre-milestone metting to get coordinated between each other | 20:55 |
| themayor | and to make sure if you need marketing to help with anything, that we are doing ti | 20:55 |
| themayor | adn will be able to have it on schedule assigned to someone | 20:56 |
| spevack | themayor: may I offer a suggestion? | 20:56 |
| mizmo | themayor, ohhh okay | 20:56 |
| mizmo | themayor, makes sense | 20:56 |
| themayor | spevack: yes | 20:56 |
| spevack | one of the things that we need to recognize here is that especially in the context of a release, and the schedule of tasks around a release | 20:57 |
| spevack | there is a lot of coordination needed between marketing, websites, and artwork, in all directions. | 20:57 |
| spevack | I think that it would be wise to have a checkpoint before Alpha, Beta, RC, Final for those three groups to all get on the same page | 20:57 |
| spevack | thoughts from anyone? | 20:57 |
| moixs | Add this task to the list then, a joint meeting to see if no group lags behind | 20:58 |
| fugolini | nothing from my side, at list for this point | 20:58 |
| herlo | +1 spevack | 20:58 |
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| themayor | thats why i proposed two meetings | 20:59 |
| themayor | one before alpha and one between beta and GA | 20:59 |
| themayor | but if we want to we can add another | 20:59 |
| themayor | spevack: thoughts? | 20:59 |
| * mmcgrath coughs | 21:00 | |
| mmcgrath | you guys almost ready or should we move to #fedora-admin? | 21:00 |
| spevack | ah, sorry mike | 21:00 |
| spevack | we'll move to #fedora-mktg | 21:00 |
| spevack | themayor: sounds good, btw | 21:00 |
| fugolini | ok | 21:00 |
| themayor | yeah will that mess up the log, btw? | 21:01 |
| mmcgrath | no worries | 21:01 |
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| spevack | themayor: i'll work with moixs to make sure it all works out | 21:01 |
| spevack | EVERYONE, TO #FEDORA-MKTG | 21:01 |
| moixs | Started to log this channel too ;) | 21:02 |
| themayor | you the man | 21:03 |
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| moixs | Ok, do any of you have other bright ideas to put in the milestones? | 21:05 |
| spevack | moixs: not right now, I need to think it over a bit with more of a clear head | 21:05 |
| fugolini | sounds good. Maybe something from Release Events | 21:05 |
| fugolini | but I don't want to overweight the milestones | 21:06 |
| fugolini | "" | 21:06 |
| moixs | What we should look at is the current position in the cycle | 21:06 |
| moixs | We should assign ourselves to SIGs and features | 21:06 |
| fugolini | ah ok | 21:07 |
| moixs | Do you also think that a couple of days thinking on the mailinglist would be god? | 21:07 |
| themayor | yeah but we need to make sure this happens on the list | 21:07 |
| fugolini | maybe just push it and, let people the possibility to add something | 21:08 |
| themayor | because every week we say that and im sure we all have good intentions but i feel like alot of us get hyped up at the meeting and then get too involved in other things later | 21:08 |
| moixs | themayor: this is directly rlated to the thread you started today, do you want to continue it there or start a new one? | 21:09 |
| themayor | fell free to start a new one | 21:10 |
| moixs | ok ,I add it to my list | 21:10 |
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| moixs | Do you see other things to talk about? | 21:11 |
| fugolini | no | 21:11 |
| themayor | moixs: in what context, now for the meeting? | 21:12 |
| moixs | yes :) | 21:12 |
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| moixs | So if we set the goal to rename pages on the wiki ans complete the schedule until next week, does it seem realistic? | 21:13 |
| moixs | s/ans/and/ | 21:13 |
| fugolini | From a outer POV i could say to try, but I'm not direct involved so, maybe the people involved could be more interested than me :) | 21:14 |
| themayor | yes, i dont think anything will ever be set in stone | 21:14 |
| themayor | but i think we have a good shot | 21:14 |
| themayor | i think for the most part if i add stuff to the schedule, its done and then we need to port it to f11 | 21:15 |
| moixs | yes | 21:15 |
| themayor | and take whats on jonrobs page to there | 21:15 |
| moixs | exactly :) | 21:15 |
| moixs | I guess the meeting is over? :) | 21:16 |
| themayor | i guess so | 21:17 |
| fugolini | so, if it so. Bye | 21:17 |
| themayor | i was about to say, are we adjourned? | 21:17 |
| moixs | yep, have a good night :) | 21:17 |
| fugolini | you too | 21:18 |
| themayor | thank you guys very muchj | 21:18 |