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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-01-14
Meeting Higlights
- Alpha freeze is 2008-01-15
- Rawhide is not currently installable
- Running rawhide status: http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/rawhide.html
- Alpha blocker bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=428703
- Release Engineering Schedule: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-releng-tasks.html
DECISION: slip alpha freeze by one week, re-evaluate state next meeting; hold to planned GA date
IRC Transcript
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting | <a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a> | |
| f13 | ping jeremy jwb wwoods warren rdieter spot lmacken notting poelcat | <a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a> |
|---|---|---|
| * spot is here | <a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a> | |
| rdieter | here (mostly) | <a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a> |
| jwb | here | <a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a> |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - Fedora 9 Alpha | <a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a> | |
| * lmacken | <a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a> | |
| f13 | alright that's likely enough to get started. | <a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a> |
| f13 | although I'd like wwoods :/ | <a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a> |
| f13 | so, alpha, supposed to freeze tomorrow | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> |
| f13 | which would normally mean freezing tonight right after rawhide compose. | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> |
| f13 | so that rawhide tomorrow == freeze content | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> |
| wwoods | doop | <a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a> |
| f13 | however, our tree is in an interesting state | <a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: is it installable today? | <a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a> |
| wwoods | As far as I can tell.. no | <a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a> |
| * poelcat here | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> | |
| notting | is it uninstallable in a different way than it has been uninstallable previously? | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| wwoods | traces back when it tries to start the transaction | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| wwoods | notting: yes! | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| wwoods | we have X and disks now! | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| wwoods | subject to the normal X caveats, e.g. "no X on sis" | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| wwoods | I think dhcp is still screwed on x86_64 | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> |
| wwoods | if you click on the "Upgrade existing system" item, the installer crashes | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> |
| f13 | yeah... | <a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a> |
| wwoods | that's what I've got so far | <a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a> |
| wwoods | it's better than last week but a long way from installable | <a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a> |
| spot | i just pulled out two more fontsets | <a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a> |
| spot | but that shouldn't affect anything | <a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a> |
| wwoods | I might try yum upgrading an F8 box just to do *some* functional testing | <a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a> |
| wwoods | but it's been weeks since we had an installable rawhide | <a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a> |
| wwoods | and that's a killer | <a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a> |
| f13 | yes. I'm not comfortable at all snapshotting for alpha at this point. | <a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a> |
| f13 | so that would mean talking about a slip | <a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a> |
| notting | do we have a quick virtual whiteboard of issues? | <a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a> |
| f13 | is in channel OK? | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| wwoods | <a href="http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/rawhide.html">http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/rawhide.html</a> has what I've got so far | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| wwoods | I'll be adding the transaction crash and upgrade crash shortly | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| jwb | i just fixed nautilus-open-terminal | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| jwb | but that shouldn't make any difference either | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| wwoods | but yeah, I've done *zero* functional testing | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| notting | i think 422421 is fixed | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| wwoods | 422061 is probably OK too | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| wwoods | at least it should be non-NEW | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| f13 | but more importantly, no new installs are possible | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| f13 | so we don't know where there are problems. | <a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a> |
| f13 | rather where /else/ | <a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a> |
| wwoods | right | <a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a> |
| wwoods | how long's the freeze? | <a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a> |
| f13 | week~ | <a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a> |
| wwoods | so. we want a week with an installable tree to shape it up | <a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a> |
| wwoods | do we push the freeze until we've got an installable tree, or freeze now and extend the freeze until we hit that target? | <a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a> |
| clumens | THUD | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| f13 | I wanted chris to pop buy and help us make this decision. | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| jwb | how likely will gdm allow logout in a week? | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| f13 | clumens: we're discussing the alpha freeze tomorrow and the current state of things. | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| * spot would be happy if gdm allowed reliable LOGIN | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> | |
| clumens | alright | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| f13 | to be perfectly honest, I'd be happy if you can install, and get updates | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| wwoods | yeah, so long as people can get updates we can push fixes at them later | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| wwoods | but if they can't get the bits on their system we're boned | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| poelcat | do we have an alpha tracking bug so folks can follow along at home? | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| wwoods | poelcat: not yet. one should be created. | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| jwb | i have some kernel bugs to log myself. kernel hates my laptop | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| clumens | f13: well we have hard drives today, and X starts on hardware that X runs on | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| clumens | though apparently there's some rpmdb thing now that i have not gotten a chance to investigate | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| f13 | right, and network x86_64 is still boned | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| clumens | static networking is probably busted too | <a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a> |
| wwoods | oh right, forgot about that | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> |
| wwoods | dcantrell where art thou? | <a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: so what would you like to see before we take the snapshot? | <a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a> |
| clumens | wwoods: 1300-0600 = probably still asleep | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| * jwb notes that with everything being broken he hasn't done any ppc spins | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> | |
| wwoods | oh he's at UTC-6? good to know | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| clumens | wwoods: EST-6 | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| wwoods | f13: installable on i386, at a bare minimum | <a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a> |
| clumens | hawaii and all | <a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a> |
| wwoods | clumens: oh duh. noted. thanks. | <a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a> |
| poelcat | wwoods: all: tracker created <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=428703">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=428703</a> | <a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a> |
| buggbot | Bug 428703: low, low, ---, Bill Nottingham, NEW , Fedora 9 Alpha Tracking bug | <a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a> |
| clumens | so if you're asking how i feel about anaconda right now, total mixed bag | <a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a> |
| wwoods | oh for the love of crap. my kingdom for a working CDRW | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> |
| wwoods | I haven't seen a crash this colorful since the old DOS days. so that's kinda cool. | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> |
| wwoods | anyway, yeah, are we going to push the freeze back or extend it? | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> |
| f13 | I'd rather push it back | <a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a> |
| jwb | it's a rel-eng only freeze right? | <a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a> |
| f13 | yes | <a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a> |
| jwb | then why push it back? | <a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a> |
| f13 | jwb: because it's not as if we're comfortable of have any idea whats going on outside of installer, so there isn't really a point to freeze that right now anyway | <a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a> |
| poelcat | and the whole point of the alpha that it installs | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| jwb | f13, i wouldn't say we have no idea | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| jwb | but ok | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| wwoods | /fobpath/? | <a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a> |
| f13 | usb fob | <a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a> |
| * wwoods confused by this directory | <a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a> | |
| wwoods | ah | <a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a> |
| wwoods | hm. I should use mine. | <a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a> |
| clumens | so, you're saying i should get back to work? | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| wwoods | yeah. slacker. | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| wwoods | I'll get you some info on that transaction crash RSN | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| wwoods | ahh, I love the new URL entry screen (with proxy support and everything!) | <a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a> |
| f13 | so how do we feel about a week slip, and re-evaluate next monday? | <a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a> |
| wwoods | I feel OK about it | <a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a> |
| jwb | i feel it would be good | <a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a> |
| notting | we have nowhere to go but up? | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| clumens | we came a long way this weekend | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| jwb | well... we could go sideways... get anaconda working, and then everything after crashes? | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| wwoods | error: no dbpath has been set (?!) | <a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a> |
| wwoods | error: cannot open Packages database in /mnt/sysimage/%{_dbpath} | <a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a> |
| f13 | cute | <a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a> |
| wwoods | sounds like that might be an easy thing to fix, though | <a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a> |
| f13 | nod | <a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a> |
| f13 | ok, so I'll announce the slip and we'll have a work to get things better. | <a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a> |
| wwoods | a week to work? | <a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a> |
| f13 | yes | <a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a> |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Discussion | <a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a> | |
| jwb | F9 names? | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| clumens | i wonder if rpm has changed | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| jwb | legal got back to us | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| f13 | jwb: Yeah, can you get a vote setup with toshio? | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| jwb | yep, was just going to see if that's who i had to bug | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| jwb | btw, most of the good names were yanked :( | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| clumens | so it's down to tasticles and popplers? | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| rdieter | ha | <a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a> |
| jwb | clumens, there's a much larger list than last time. but most of the ones people said "yeah!" at were cut | <a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a> |
| f13 | I liked bathysphere | <a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a> |
| jwb | i think that one's still there | <a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a> |
| wwoods | nice! | <a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a> |
| f13 | nod | <a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a> |
| f13 | notting and I made some progress at making the rawhide creation process less tearful | <a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a> |
| jwb | oh? | <a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a> |
| f13 | we'll have to enact it soon, which includes an upgrade of releng1 to rhel5 | <a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a> |
| notting | although it's in a holding pattern for a bit | <a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a> |
| f13 | ah | <a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a> |
| notting | well, skvidal will fix up createrepo. but more fixage requires func-ification | <a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a> |
| f13 | notting: I'm not convinced that func is the answer | <a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a> |
| f13 | notting: more realisticaly we need koji integration | <a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a> |
| f13 | or else it's just a slightly better method of what we hav enow. | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| notting | well, there are two routes | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| notting | - a func module that controlls mock (you can set it up to create buildroots, etc.) | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| notting | - grand unified koji bits, so koji has a 'make me a rawhide' button | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| notting | the second seems overkill | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| f13 | that's not what I'm talking about at all | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| notting | the first is nice in that you don't actually need to worry about what the koji repos are | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| f13 | we just need a koji runroot function | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| f13 | run "command" in chroot of <tag> | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| f13 | upload results to /path/ | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| notting | right, but rawhide is already running on its own repos | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| notting | not the koji ones | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| f13 | which is fixable. | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| notting | how is running on a potentially stale (vis-a-vis static-repo creation) repo better? | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| f13 | because then we allow koji to better pick a builder to use, registers the weight of the run on the builder itself, and handles passing the bits around for us. | <a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a> |
| notting | .... passing the bits? | <a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a> |
| f13 | notting: if you're that worried, you can trigger a newRepo task right before starting mash, and taskwait said newRepo for the buildinstall phase. | <a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a> |
| f13 | notting: kojibuilder can upload the output via xmlrpc to the hub, which writes it out in /mnt/koji/ somewhere. | <a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a> |
| jwb | poelcat, where is the rel-eng schedule at? | <a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a> |
| f13 | /mnt/koji/runroot/<task>/output | <a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a> |
| notting | yeah, but 'output' is a pretty amorphous concept for pungify | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| f13 | either way we're going to have to modify koji | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| f13 | or we'll just keep ignoring the fact that rawhide tasks will abuse builders and not register as weight and we'll continue having problems of delayed rawhide due to builds. | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| f13 | and builds getting delayed due to rawhide. | <a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a> |
| notting | yes. the other thing is that a mock controller in func might be picked up quicker in general by others, but that shouldn't be a deciding factor | <a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a> |
| f13 | nod | <a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a> |
| notting | which led me wondering if koji would have been written differently if func predated it. which is neither here nor there. | <a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a> |
| poelcat | jwb: <a href="http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-releng-tasks.html">http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-releng-tasks.html</a> | <a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a> |
| jwb | poelcat, ah thanks | <a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a> |
| notting | f13: short-term, we can do 'check load ; koji disable-builder', etc. which would require some auth tricks (certificate or otherwise) | <a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a> |
| f13 | notting: yeah, we could do that. | <a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a> |
| notting | other note: as mentioned on fedora-admin, the current schedule for reversing the sync streams is february 4th | <a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a> |
| notting | which will require some changes around rawhide & bodhi, although not necessarily *in* bodhi | <a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a> |
| f13 | ok, we're off in the weeds. | <a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a> |
| f13 | poelcat: decision: slip alpha freeze a week, re-evaluate state next meeting. | <a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a> |
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