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Bug Triage Meeting :: 2008-12-09
Attendees
- jds2001
- John5342
- quantumburnz
- poelcat
Unfinished Tasks From Last Meeting
- jds2001 to add enhanced query for excluding rawhide bugs from rebase which block tracker for next release
- jds2001 to create tracker bugs
- poelcat to draft EOL Fedora 8 ticket for Red Hat Engineering Operations
- check back next week
Policies
- Discussion from fedora-devel-list about expanding https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Policy
- Describe bug handling policies (e.g. EOL, rawhide rebase, bug state changes, etc.)
- Include https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow
- ACTIONS: quantumburnz will update page
FUDCon Fedora 11
- What should we do from a bug triage perspective?
- One year since Bug Zappers relaunched
- Still not as effective as we would like to be
- Does FUDCon draw the people that are likely to help with triage or is that not the case because most are developers?
- Think about more and discuss next week
Misc
- Add your name to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/ActiveTriagers
- thanks to tk009 for preparing it and sending out message last week and John5342's help as well
IRC Transcript
NOTE: the published version of this trascript has been edited to remove the distraction of inappropriate off-topic discussion
| John5342 | hi | 07:01 |
|---|---|---|
| poelcat | ping tk009 jds2001 jlaska John5342 quantumburnz all bug Triagers | 07:01 |
| poelcat | John5342: hi | 07:01 |
| quantumburnz | hello | 07:01 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: good {morning,afternoon,evening} | 07:02 |
| quantumburnz | hehe, still bright morning here | 07:03 |
| * jds2001 here, sorry im late | 07:03 | |
| poelcat | jds2001: just the person I was picking on, I mean waiting for :) | 07:04 |
| poelcat | first topic--https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings/Minutes-2008-Dec-02 | 07:04 |
| poelcat | follow up to last week | 07:04 |
| poelcat | jds2001: were you able to add the new query? | 07:05 |
| * jds2001 looks, i cant remember so likely not :( | 07:05 | |
| jds2001 | oops, i forgot :P | 07:05 |
| quantumburnz | hehe | 07:06 |
| poelcat | jds2001: np | 07:06 |
| poelcat | jds2001: can we check back w/ you next week? | 07:07 |
| jds2001 | sure thing! | 07:07 |
| poelcat | next followup was creating the trackers https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Trackers | 07:07 |
| jds2001 | John5342 updated the FindingBugs page with Fedora 10 | 07:08 |
| jds2001 | grr, i havent done that either | 07:08 |
| jds2001 | fire me. | 07:08 |
| jds2001 | :) | 07:08 |
| * jds2001 should get on that today, but I'm busy this evening :( | 07:08 | |
| poelcat | John5342: thanks for doing that! | 07:09 |
| John5342 | poelcat: no probs | 07:09 |
| * poelcat was delinquent and did not draft the F8 EOL ticket | 07:10 | |
| poelcat | though it was on my todo list all week and we still have a month :) | 07:10 |
| jds2001 | seems like we're just a bunch of delinquents this week :) | 07:10 |
| John5342 | at the same time modified the queries to exclude package review | 07:10 |
| poelcat | John5342: brilliant :) | 07:10 |
| poelcat | well tk009 was on the ball and updated the ActiveTriagers page :) | 07:11 |
| quantumburnz | ya, tk009 was quick on that too. i saw an email to update the page the next day i think it was. | 07:11 |
| poelcat | everyone should add their names to that page | 07:11 |
| poelcat | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/ActiveTriagers | 07:11 |
| John5342 | and then i moved the old active triagers to the pasttriagers | 07:11 |
| poelcat | John5342 was on the ball too :) | 07:12 |
| poelcat | jds2001: how did the classroom session go? | 07:12 |
| jds2001 | pretty well I think, attendance was not what I'd have hoped. | 07:13 |
| jds2001 | but John5342 was there, as well as a few others :) | 07:13 |
| jds2001 | I think having it at the a$$ crack of dawn US time didn't help... | 07:14 |
| * John5342 was superhuman and appeared everywhere :P | 07:14 | |
| jds2001 | and that's for me, for you it was at like 5AM :P | 07:14 |
| poelcat | next topic https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Policy | 07:20 |
| poelcat | nirik was asking if we could add a section about some of our policies here ^^ | 07:21 |
| poelcat | so that package maintainers aren't surprised when certain things happen to their bugs | 07:22 |
| jds2001 | but some of our policies like closing at EOL | 07:24 |
| jds2001 | is what we're talking about. | 07:24 |
| quantumburnz | poelcat: i'm not jumping up to do this b/c i'm not exactly sure what i'd write about. however, if i had a list of topics you guys wanted me to cover, i could try to crank something out. | 07:26 |
| jds2001 | quantumburnz: sure | 07:26 |
| John5342 | was just about to say the same. | 07:27 |
| jds2001 | quantumburnz: the parts about closing at EOL, rebasing rawhide, etc. | 07:27 |
| quantumburnz | no kidding. ok, i'll write up something about those. | 07:28 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: probably helpful to refer to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow | 07:29 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: thanks for taking that on | 07:29 |
| quantumburnz | poelcat: you're welcome | 07:29 |
| poelcat | are there any other topics people would like to discuss? | 07:30 |
| jds2001 | quantumburnz: let me know if you have any problems | 07:31 |
| jds2001 | I *think* that page is editable by anyone. | 07:31 |
| quantumburnz | jds2001: ok, thanks. i'm sure i'll be looking for help if it's not. ;) | 07:31 |
| jds2001 | if not, it needs to be a FPC member | 07:31 |
| quantumburnz | FPC? | 07:32 |
| quantumburnz | package contributor? | 07:32 |
| jds2001 | fedora packaging committee | 07:32 |
| quantumburnz | ahh | 07:32 |
| jds2001 | i normally bug abadger1999 about it :) | 07:32 |
| tibbs|h | Only things under Packaging/ are restricted. | 07:33 |
| jds2001 | OK, cool :) | 07:33 |
| * bpepple sees he got pinged, and reads back a bit. | 07:34 | |
| jds2001 | bpepple: spot took care of it, need an op in here :) | 07:35 |
| jds2001 | needed | 07:35 |
| bpepple | ah, ok. | 07:35 |
| * bpepple goes back to work. | 07:35 | |
| quantumburnz | there looks to be a decent section about EOL under 'Fedora Maintenance Lifecycle Policy.' what else were we hoping to talk about? | 07:38 |
| jds2001 | I think that Patrice put that in there, actually. | 07:38 |
| jds2001 | iirc | 07:39 |
| poelcat | next topic | 07:40 |
| poelcat | is anyone going to FUDCon? | 07:40 |
| * jds2001 | 07:40 | |
| * poelcat will be there | 07:40 | |
| * John5342 is on another continent | 07:40 | |
| poelcat | in fact it will be the 1 year anniversary of the bug zapper's relaunch | 07:40 |
| * jds2001 will be in better health for this year's fudcon than last one :) | 07:41 | |
| jds2001 | that was not a fun event :( | 07:41 |
| jds2001 | for those that dont know, I broke my shoulder the day before the last FUDCon :( | 07:42 |
| John5342 | jds2001: thats real bad luck :( | 07:42 |
| quantumburnz | eek :( no kidding... | 07:42 |
| jds2001 | and I went anyways! :) | 07:43 |
| poelcat | i don't have clear idea of what we should do at this fudcon from a bug triage perspective | 07:44 |
| jds2001 | I'm actually hoping that this FUDCon is more productive, as poelcat mentioned, the last one was held in conjunction with RH Summit and I was an attendee there too | 07:44 |
| jds2001 | trying to split my time turned into fail. | 07:44 |
| jds2001 | and the fact I was in agonizing pain only added to the fail. | 07:45 |
| poelcat | so how about if we think about what we might want to do at fudcon and discuss that at next week's meeting? | 07:47 |
| jds2001 | sure thing. | 07:47 |
| * poelcat isn't sure another barcamp presentation is the answer | 07:47 | |
| poelcat | but maybe it is | 07:47 |
| * John5342 wont be at fudcon but agrees with the idea | 07:47 | |
| jds2001 | John5342: i think we | 07:48 |
| quantumburnz | i'll give it some thought and see if i can't give any suggestions next week. even tho i won't be there. :( | 07:48 |
| jds2001 | will be trying everything we can to enable remote attendees | 07:48 |
| jds2001 | but the times might be a tad inconveinent | 07:48 |
| poelcat | overall i don't think we've found the right ways to effectively draw in and motivate lots of people | 07:48 |
| poelcat | but they've got to be out there :) | 07:49 |
| quantumburnz | my intuition would be you're not going to find a lot of people at FUCON that would be interested in doing triaging/bug zapping. i think the people who will be most interested are those who are looking to learn more about fedora and it's packages. | 07:50 |
| quantumburnz | and those who maybe don't have a lot of programming/packaging experience but want a place to start. | 07:50 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: that's insightful | 07:51 |
| poelcat | i hadn't considered from that angle | 07:51 |
| poelcat | it is pitched as a "user" and "developers" conference, but I think you're right | 07:51 |
| jds2001 | so where we could get bang for the buck is something like OLF | 07:52 |
| poelcat | the sense I get is that it is mostly developers | 07:52 |
| jds2001 | poelcat: you and I both know it's 99% developers :) | 07:52 |
| jds2001 | but last time, we had folks like notting and davej sit in on our talk and offer really useful insight too. | 07:53 |
| poelcat | jds2001: hm... maybe boston '08 was, but raleigh '08 seemed more of a mix | 07:53 |
| quantumburnz | jds2001: OLF? | 07:53 |
| poelcat | jds2001: you do point to one thing I have thought of which is to find a way we could partner or work along side folks like that more | 07:53 |
| Kevin_Kofler | Brno 2008 was almost all developers. | 07:54 |
| poelcat | we need some rock stars :) | 07:54 |
| jds2001 | quantumburnz: ohio linux fest | 07:55 |
| jds2001 | or maybe linuxfest northwest up in your neck of the woods, poelcat :) | 07:55 |
| * jds2001 thinks that's in Seattle area, though. | 07:55 | |
| poelcat | jds2001: that's compappy's neighborhood | 07:55 |
| poelcat | 5-6 hours north of me | 07:56 |
| John5342 | i think the problem with end user numbers at linux events is the fact they may be seen as geeks. not an issue for programmers but end users is another story. | 07:56 |
| * quantumburnz misses Seattle | 07:56 | |
| jds2001 | quantumburnz: where you at again? | 07:57 |
| quantumburnz | John5342: I'd also think it's expensive to travel to something like that if it's not near you. Also, an end user may think they have little to contribute. I must say though, I don't know much about FUDCON's or what goes on there. | 07:58 |
| quantumburnz | jds2001: I'm in Pensacola, FL now but lived in Seattle until I was 16 | 07:58 |
| jds2001 | ahhh | 07:58 |
| jds2001 | i lived in phoenix for five years when i was a kid, i think I'd like that :) | 07:59 |
| John5342 | quantumburnz: am talking about linux events in general. even applies to local user groups such as the one in my own local town | 07:59 |
| * jds2001 not a fan of cold weather, and I live in the wrong part of the country for that :) | 07:59 | |
| John5342 | i may be mistaken but i think we are out of time | 07:59 |
| jds2001 | yeah, KDE sig meets next | 08:00 |
| quantumburnz | jds2001: yup, moved to phx to finish high school after living in seattle too | 08:00 |
| quantumburnz | John5342: I didn't know there were local things. Perhaps I should check something like that out. Have a good day everyone! | 08:01 |
| John5342 | thanks and bye all. see you next week. | 08:01 |
| poelcat | thanks John5342 quantumburnz jds2001 and anyone else I missed | 08:01 |
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