From Fedora Project Wiki
Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-09-22
F10 Beta Delayed
- Still fighting installer issues
- Test results page is empty http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora10Install/Beta
- Proposing new dates to FESCo
- Push all dates forward one week
- Beta release on 2008-09-30
- GA date of 2008-11-25
IRC Transcript
| --- Log opened Mon Sep 22 09:31:45 2008 | ||
| -!- Irssi: #fedora-meeting: Total of 110 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 109 normal] | 09:31 | |
| -!- Irssi: Join to #fedora-meeting was synced in 1 secs | 09:31 | |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - roll call | 10:00 | |
| f13 | ping: spot jeremy lmacken warren notting poelcat rdieter wwoods | 10:00 |
|---|---|---|
| rdieter | yo | 10:00 |
| * spot is here | 10:00 | |
| * lmacken | 10:00 | |
| * jeremy is around-ish | 10:00 | |
| * warren is on drugs. | 10:00 | |
| * wwoods here | 10:01 | |
| f13 | notting txtd me and said he's running late due to errands. | 10:01 |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora rel-eng - F10 Beta | 10:02 | |
| f13 | so... the beta that just won't be. | 10:02 |
| warren | how's X doing? | 10:02 |
| rdieter | boo | 10:02 |
| f13 | we're still fighting installer issues, so beta is going to slip | 10:02 |
| f13 | there just isn't enough time to do a compose today of everything and have it fully staged by Thursday | 10:02 |
| f13 | warren: better? | 10:03 |
| f13 | right now we're looking at more networking issues in anaconda, after fixing some language selection issues, twice. | 10:03 |
| warren | f13: is this pushing us against thanksgiving? | 10:03 |
| f13 | we tried a couple builds over the weekend but it's just not in place. | 10:03 |
| f13 | warren: we'll have to talk about that. We can either take a week in post-beta, or slip a week or two after turkey day | 10:04 |
| warren | going past thanksgiving at least makes it happen before christmas... | 10:04 |
| warren | taking away beta time seems unwise IMHO | 10:04 |
| warren | but we can discuss that later | 10:04 |
| * poelcat here | 10:05 | |
| f13 | so the thing is right now, we're still got a GA date of the 18th | 10:05 |
| f13 | which is the week before thanksgiving | 10:06 |
| f13 | even if we slipped a week and did GA on the 25th, that's two days before, /and/ we would have had to be fully done with development nearly a week before that anyway | 10:06 |
| wwoods | so slipping a week closer to thanksgiving is probably not disastrous | 10:09 |
| f13 | that's my opinion | 10:09 |
| f13 | and if we fail later, we just slip right over thanksgiving | 10:09 |
| warren | The week of thanksgiving is pretty much a loss | 10:10 |
| warren | people wont be around | 10:10 |
| warren | people will be traveling | 10:10 |
| notting | people *with lives* won't be around. | 10:10 |
| warren | people will be setting up their staycations in their patio | 10:10 |
| spoleeba | notting, i have no live... i will be travelling | 10:11 |
| warren | f13: ok, so we need to slip due to installer issues, anything need to be decided? | 10:14 |
| f13 | I propose that we slip to releasing Tuesday the 29th | 10:15 |
| f13 | push the remainder of the schdule dates out a week as well | 10:15 |
| notting | how broken is broken? | 10:15 |
| notting | 'no trees now, so we're kind of screwed'? | 10:15 |
| f13 | notting: media installs traceback | 10:15 |
| f13 | notting: networkinstalls don't start unless you force network bring up in stage1 | 10:16 |
| f13 | (and currently traceback on something) | 10:16 |
| f13 | so we have trees, they're just useless for installing | 10:16 |
| f13 | they're essentially "little" things, but it's one of those clear the pathways to find more bugs kind of deals. | 10:17 |
| f13 | that and I think our testing grid is rather... blank at the moment, and I'm a bit curious why that is | 10:17 |
| f13 | wwoods: where is that testing matrix again? | 10:18 |
| f13 | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora10Install/Beta | 10:18 |
| f13 | utterly blank. | 10:19 |
| wwoods | we keep respinning the tree and I keep invalidating my results. | 10:19 |
| f13 | ok, but if we have failures, don't those stay failures until we have a tree that works? | 10:20 |
| f13 | (maybe we need a way of marking this?) | 10:20 |
| warren | if network installs fail | 10:21 |
| warren | and media installs fail | 10:21 |
| warren | that sounds like fail? | 10:21 |
| poelcat | shouldn't we be filing bugs? | 10:21 |
| f13 | warren: was there something useful to the discussion there? | 10:21 |
| warren | f13: no. | 10:22 |
| poelcat | and watching blocker bugs | 10:22 |
| f13 | poelcat: yes, we should, I asked the original reporter of the network traceback if he filed a bug, however I think clumens already fixed it. | 10:22 |
| f13 | poelcat: I've been entirely too busy making trees show up to do any testing this time around. | 10:22 |
| * poelcat was just thinking of from the perspective of tracking failures | 10:23 | |
| f13 | poelcat: sure, there are known bugs that haven't been filed, I'm going to try and sort those out here shortly | 10:24 |
| f13 | and we really need to attack the testing matrix instead of running around like chickens with our heads cut off trying to bandaid failures. | 10:25 |
| f13 | so I think we need to float this proposal of a week slip to FESCo just to get their stamp on it and go to work. | 10:26 |
| f13 | As far as getting bits to test, mmcgrath hooked me up with alt.fedoraproject.org | 10:28 |
| f13 | http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/ | 10:28 |
| f13 | which has rsync as well | 10:28 |
| f13 | I've been staging live images and spins as I produce them. | 10:28 |
| f13 | so if you can't get to things on reducto (and there aren't live images there so you can't) use alt.fedoraproject.org | 10:28 |
| f13 | the live images there are a few days old, didn't put up the latest due to busted anaconda. | 10:28 |
| f13 | butthat's where they'll show up for testing. | 10:29 |
| f13 | anything further on Beta? | 10:30 |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora rel-eng - Open Floor | 10:32 | |
| f13 | anything else? | 10:32 |
| wwoods | nope, I think you pretty much hit it on the head | 10:32 |
| notting | f13: you sending the proposal fesco-wards? probably should do e-mail | 10:32 |
| f13 | notting: yeah, I'll send the mail. | 10:34 |
| f13 | I'm going to float it around internally for schedule conflicts as well. | 10:35 |
| f13 | alright, calling the meeting. | 10:35 |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule | 10:35 | |
| --- Log closed Mon Sep 22 10:50:00 2008 | ||
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!