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| adamw | | alright | Apr 22 12:00 |
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| adamw | | qa meeting time | Apr 22 12:00 |
| adamw | | who's here? raise an extremity | Apr 22 12:00 |
| * | wwoods cough | Apr 22 12:01 | |
| wwoods | | is my clock slow, or is yours fast | Apr 22 12:01 |
| * | viking_ice drinks yogurt.. | Apr 22 12:01 | |
| * | Sonar_Guy lifts a leg, whoops wrong reference ;) | Apr 22 12:01 | |
| adamw | | wwoods: mine's showing 9am | Apr 22 12:01 |
| adamw | | wwoods: all of the five I can see from here :) | Apr 22 12:01 |
| wwoods | | step time server 10.5.26.10 offset 209.648472 sec | Apr 22 12:01 |
| adamw | | heh | Apr 22 12:01 |
| wwoods | | yup, mine's slow | Apr 22 12:01 |
| wwoods | | okay woo yeah! I am now prepared to be completely awesome | Apr 22 12:01 |
| adamw | | f13: ping? | Apr 22 12:01 |
| wwoods | | jlaska is in meetings and won't be joining us | Apr 22 12:02 |
| adamw | | whew, because i stink | Apr 22 12:02 |
| * | f13 | Apr 22 12:02 | |
| adamw | | allrighty, i think we can proceed | Apr 22 12:02 |
| adamw | | so, follow up from last week | Apr 22 12:02 |
| --- | itami is now known as itami_ | Apr 22 12:03 | |
| wwoods | | here's our agenda https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-April/msg01378.html | Apr 22 12:03 |
| adamw | | jlaska followed through on his email about test day live CD generation, so follow that up on the mailing list | Apr 22 12:03 |
| adamw | | review of x.org bugs: ok, I went through all bugs open on rawhide in the three major x drivers this week | Apr 22 12:03 |
| adamw | | overall, nouveau is looking quite good, radeon and intel have quite a few open bugs each, some of which are quite significant | Apr 22 12:04 |
| adamw | | especially there's some major problems with old intel chipsets | Apr 22 12:04 |
| adamw | | i'm keeping an eye on those going forward, and appropriate bugs have been added to f11blocker / f11targert | Apr 22 12:04 |
| adamw | | anyone else have any thoughts on that? | Apr 22 12:05 |
| wwoods | | can you identify a couple of the scarier bugs? | Apr 22 12:05 |
| wwoods | | is there any forward momentum on 'em, or are they just kind of.. floating | Apr 22 12:05 |
| f13 | | adamw: have you ran across a bug with intel driver that causes fonts in firefox to become corrupted? | Apr 22 12:06 |
| adamw | | with old intel chipsets: on a default f11 boot currently you get no visible cursor | Apr 22 12:06 |
| adamw | | f13: yes, there's two reports for that one, i'll dig them out for you in a sec | Apr 22 12:06 |
| wwoods | | old being i8xx? | Apr 22 12:06 |
| adamw | | yes | Apr 22 12:06 |
| adamw | | the cursor works but you can't see it | Apr 22 12:06 |
| adamw | | booting nomodeset fixes it | Apr 22 12:06 |
| adamw | | but that's obviously highly visible out of the box | Apr 22 12:06 |
| wwoods | | bug id? workaround? | Apr 22 12:06 |
| f13 | | adamw: ah good, thanks. | Apr 22 12:06 |
| wwoods | | bluh. is there a workaround other than "nomodeset"? | Apr 22 12:06 |
| adamw | | bug id is 488980, workaround is nomodeset, i don't think there's another | Apr 22 12:06 |
| f13 | | nomodeset is enough for Preview, but certainly not final | Apr 22 12:07 |
| adamw | | (though I should probably get someone to check if the SWCursor / HWCursor stuff still does anything for that driver) | Apr 22 12:07 |
| adamw | | the other major problem with those chipsets is significant opengl borkage | Apr 22 12:07 |
| adamw | | glxgears renders strangely, and compiz just won't work | Apr 22 12:07 |
| adamw | | (i8xx again) | Apr 22 12:07 |
| adamw | | f13's firefox font corruption issue is likely https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495908 | Apr 22 12:08 |
| buggbot | | Bug 495908: medium, low, ---, ajax, ASSIGNED, glyph corruption | Apr 22 12:08 |
| wwoods | | if the devs have acknowledged that i8xx is just boned and we aren't likely to get it fixed up anytime soon, can we disable modeset for those specific chips? | Apr 22 12:08 |
| adamw | | hmm, assigned to the wrong guy, let me fix that | Apr 22 12:08 |
| adamw | | wwoods: i believe that would be possible, yeah, but so far i don't have a definite comment that they won't be able to fix it before ga | Apr 22 12:08 |
| adamw | | nomodeset is only a workaround for the cursor issue, i don't believe it fixes the opengl issue | Apr 22 12:09 |
| wwoods | | gotcha. | Apr 22 12:09 |
| adamw | | beyond that, mostly the issues i'm worried about are hardware-specific 'it just doesn't work' ones | Apr 22 12:09 |
| adamw | | of which there's a few more than i'd *like* | Apr 22 12:09 |
| adamw | | in particular there's an i945 variation which has cropped up in two mac systems which just doesn't work | Apr 22 12:10 |
| adamw | | that's https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=494390 | Apr 22 12:10 |
| buggbot | | Bug 494390: medium, low, ---, krh, ASSIGNED, install hangs at graphics: pci 8086:27A2 Intel 945 Apple Macintosh mini | Apr 22 12:10 |
| adamw | | so far i'm getting good feedback / interaction from reporters but i haven't seen a lot of intel bugs get closed; let me take a look at the numbers on that | Apr 22 12:11 |
| adamw | | well, 9 rawhide bugs in intel closed this month | Apr 22 12:11 |
| adamw | | so work is definitely happening | Apr 22 12:11 |
| adamw | | just not sure whether kristian will get to all the important issues before ga :\ | Apr 22 12:12 |
| adamw | | this is one situation where i'd like to have severity / priority in place :) ah well | Apr 22 12:12 |
| f13 | | well and you'd like maintainers to be responding to such things (: | Apr 22 12:13 |
| viking_ice | | +1 | Apr 22 12:13 |
| adamw | | well, even without that - at least i'd have a handy one-glance way to track the most important bugs myself | Apr 22 12:13 |
| f13 | | F11Blocker? (: | Apr 22 12:14 |
| adamw | | i was saying to jlaska that i've yet to find a way to convince bugzilla to accept a search for, say, bugs in xorg-x11-drv-intel that block F11Blocker | Apr 22 12:14 |
| adamw | | it looks like it should be possible with the boolean fields, but it doesn't seem to work, no matter what type of match i select or whether i put 'F11Blocker' or the bug number in the field | Apr 22 12:14 |
| adamw | | always gets zarro boogs | Apr 22 12:14 |
| adamw | | if anyone knows that it'd be appreciated =) | Apr 22 12:15 |
| adamw | | anyhow, that's that topic...any more on it before we move on? | Apr 22 12:16 |
| adamw | | alright | Apr 22 12:16 |
| adamw | | next action item was for me again: post to forums for feedback on pulse. er, i forgot. sorry! will do it this week instead. | Apr 22 12:17 |
| adamw | | next was for jlaska, but wwoods and f13 can fill us in: did you guys have an autoqa discussion? | Apr 22 12:17 |
| f13 | | we did | Apr 22 12:18 |
| adamw | | excellent...what did you conclude? | Apr 22 12:18 |
| f13 | | and we had some action items fall out of it, which have yet to be completed | Apr 22 12:18 |
| wwoods | | a couple things got fixed up | Apr 22 12:18 |
| f13 | | we've got one or two things to fix up and then we'll turn on the automated part of the autoqa | Apr 22 12:18 |
| f13 | | with results being reported to autoqa-results@lists.fedorahosted.org | Apr 22 12:19 |
| wwoods | | slightly better logging in autoqa, post-repo-update test now does one test run for each repo (including one test per arch) | Apr 22 12:19 |
| wwoods | | made sure we had a plan for updating/maintaining the autoqa code on the test system | Apr 22 12:20 |
| adamw | | so for the run-up to ga we will have actual useful testing being done by autoqa? | Apr 22 12:20 |
| wwoods | | if you consider repoclosure / verifytree "useful" then yes | Apr 22 12:21 |
| wwoods | | if you're expecting automated installer testing.. that may not happen before GA | Apr 22 12:21 |
| adamw | | awesome | Apr 22 12:21 |
| f13 | | I'd like to hook conflict checking into that as soon as possible though | Apr 22 12:21 |
| wwoods | | file conflicts or other? | Apr 22 12:22 |
| wwoods | | should be pretty trivial if there's code already written to check it | Apr 22 12:22 |
| wwoods | | and.. not so bad otherwise | Apr 22 12:22 |
| f13 | | wwoods: any. | Apr 22 12:22 |
| f13 | | yeah, i think seth already has code for this | Apr 22 12:22 |
| wwoods | | righteous. I assume that's a post-repo-update test? | Apr 22 12:23 |
| f13 | | yep | Apr 22 12:23 |
| wwoods | | rad. okay, that goes on the list as the Next Test To Write | Apr 22 12:24 |
| adamw | | ok, sounds awesome...on a pr note, maybe you could write up a blog post about this stuff will? | Apr 22 12:25 |
| adamw | | i think some people have the idea autoqa is still just a big ball of gas, not something we actually have written and working right now | Apr 22 12:25 |
| wwoods | | hm, sure - wonder if the autoqa-results list is open-access | Apr 22 12:25 |
| wwoods | | it's not production-ready, but yeah, there's code and it's generating results | Apr 22 12:25 |
| viking_ice | | perhaps pr for f12 | Apr 22 12:26 |
| wwoods | | https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-results/ | Apr 22 12:26 |
| wwoods | | whee | Apr 22 12:26 |
| adamw | | yeah, works for me and i'm not in any vpns or anything | Apr 22 12:26 |
| wwoods | | rad. | Apr 22 12:26 |
| viking_ice | | it's open | Apr 22 12:26 |
| adamw | | viking_ice: sure, we don't want to do a full-court press now, but just a note in will's blog (and hence planet) to say that we've actually got code running and generating results now | Apr 22 12:26 |
| viking_ice | | I can see all the unresolved deps.. to what purpose usefull to me I really do not know.. | Apr 22 12:27 |
| adamw | | viking_ice: this is mostly for maintainers and releng | Apr 22 12:27 |
| viking_ice | | yup kind new that.. | Apr 22 12:27 |
| wwoods | | viking_ice: well, the more interesting tests will come soon, but e.g. the verifytree test will tell you whether or not there are rawhide images | Apr 22 12:27 |
| wwoods | | (that's post-tree-compose, not post-repo-update) | Apr 22 12:28 |
| adamw | | autoqa is a big evil robot that will make all of us fleshy qa units obsolete, not help us ;) | Apr 22 12:28 |
| viking_ice | | sweet .. | Apr 22 12:28 |
| wwoods | | and obviously we want to get a better reporting mechanism than "email on a list" | Apr 22 12:28 |
| wwoods | | but.. baby steps | Apr 22 12:28 |
| adamw | | ok, awesome, autoqa is rockin' | Apr 22 12:28 |
| adamw | | final action item from last week was me again - priority/severity stuff | Apr 22 12:29 |
| adamw | | which as you can see I did, and is now generating a robust and enthusiastic discussion | Apr 22 12:29 |
| adamw | | =) | Apr 22 12:29 |
| wwoods | | hah. well said | Apr 22 12:29 |
| adamw | | if anyone wants to chat about that here we can do too, but hopefully not too much, don't want to eat too much meeting time with it | Apr 22 12:30 |
| wwoods | | I think any discussion here would be redundant | Apr 22 12:30 |
| adamw | | ok | Apr 22 12:30 |
| adamw | | one last thing from last week then i guess - anything further on pulseaudio from you, will? | Apr 22 12:31 |
| wwoods | | so let's move on (plus I have a meeting about Fedora 11 Preview readiness in 30min) | Apr 22 12:31 |
| wwoods | | I believe both intel-* bugs regarding snd_pcm_avail() exploding are closed | Apr 22 12:31 |
| wwoods | | minor issues remain but AFAICT pulse is no longer exploding due to ALSA bugs | Apr 22 12:31 |
| adamw | | awesome...so theoretically we shouldn't have any big bugs that make pulse just not work for large numbers of people left? | Apr 22 12:32 |
| wwoods | | volume control issues are the remaining major class of bugs that I know of | Apr 22 12:32 |
| wwoods | | there might still be problems with snd_pcm_avail() on less common audio chipsets (emu*?) | Apr 22 12:32 |
| viking_ice | | Perhaps the default on pcm should be 80% percent... | Apr 22 12:32 |
| wwoods | | viking_ice: that'd be reasonable if we could ask alsa which volume control was "PCM" | Apr 22 12:33 |
| adamw | | fwiw I have a ice1724 and no problem with pulse, so that one's good. dunno about the emus. i'll definitely get that message on the forums. | Apr 22 12:33 |
| wwoods | | but apparently it's not that simple | Apr 22 12:33 |
| viking_ice | | frack.. | Apr 22 12:33 |
| adamw | | mandriva defaults every mixer control to 80% and then has a big list of exceptions for ones that *shouldn't* be set to 80%. that's ugly. i'm not aware of any decent non-ugly solution to the default volume issue :\ | Apr 22 12:33 |
| wwoods | | see http://people.redhat.com/alexl/files/why-alsa-sucks.png | Apr 22 12:33 |
| f13 | | you said alsa, nothing is going to be simple. | Apr 22 12:33 |
| wwoods | | and no, that is not a forged screenshot | Apr 22 12:34 |
| --- | warren_ is now known as warren | Apr 22 12:34 | |
| viking_ice | | Well let's fill forums release notes and the fedora channel with "alsamixer -c0" | Apr 22 12:34 |
| adamw | | basically, i really think we need an old-skool graphical mixer in f11, and i will fight for that at higher levels if necessary. but aside from that, pulse is looking good i think | Apr 22 12:34 |
| wwoods | | IIRC dude had to hack the X server or GTK to get the coordinate space large enough to actually show *all* the controls in one screenshot | Apr 22 12:34 |
| wwoods | | it's ridiculous | Apr 22 12:34 |
| wwoods | | eventually it'll get sorted such that we don't need to resort to alsamixer -c0 to turn the hidden knobs | Apr 22 12:35 |
| adamw | | yeah, and we'll all get ponies :) | Apr 22 12:35 |
| wwoods | | in the meantime, though, that's gonna remain a FAQ | Apr 22 12:35 |
| wwoods | | and a PITA | Apr 22 12:35 |
| wwoods | | and various other TLAs | Apr 22 12:35 |
| * | nirik can beat that even. If you have ever looked at the alsamixer output from a openmoko freerunner. ;) | Apr 22 12:36 | |
| adamw | | alright, i think we all know the basic status there, though. we can't do much about it in this meeting, and time's tight, so - moving on again | Apr 22 12:36 |
| wwoods | | agreed | Apr 22 12:36 |
| adamw | | next topic is autoqa review, which i think we covered already, right wwoods / f13? | Apr 22 12:36 |
| wwoods | | pretty much, yeah. if anyone has CODE for simple tests we could run after a repo is updated, or a new tree is built | Apr 22 12:37 |
| wwoods | | please let us know about it | Apr 22 12:37 |
| adamw | | ...or forever hold your peace | Apr 22 12:37 |
| adamw | | (or just send it to the mailing list) | Apr 22 12:37 |
| wwoods | | indeed. | Apr 22 12:38 |
| viking_ice | | btw to you have task list for project autoqa somewhere accessible online | Apr 22 12:38 |
| viking_ice | | encase any wants to provide code.. | Apr 22 12:38 |
| wwoods | | no. | Apr 22 12:38 |
| adamw | | ah, yeah, good question - is this list of tests to write online anywhere, for e.g. | Apr 22 12:38 |
| wwoods | | we've got a trac instance so I could start filing tickets there. | Apr 22 12:38 |
| f13 | | That photo crashed my box | Apr 22 12:38 |
| adamw | | heh | Apr 22 12:38 |
| adamw | | wwoods: that sounds like a good idea, and a way maybe to get da community involved in autoqa (i remember you were having trouble with that before) | Apr 22 12:39 |
| f13 | | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Automated_QA_Testing_Project as well | Apr 22 12:39 |
| f13 | | we wanted to wait until we had a well functioning harness before opening up for test submission | Apr 22 12:39 |
| wwoods | | right | Apr 22 12:39 |
| f13 | | we used the two existing tests as examples to get all the other bits working right | Apr 22 12:39 |
| f13 | | so we're not quite ther eyet | Apr 22 12:39 |
| adamw | | ah, i see | Apr 22 12:39 |
| wwoods | | but as far as I can see, there's no harm in tracking the current status in trac tickets | Apr 22 12:39 |
| --- | fab__ is now known as fab | Apr 22 12:40 | |
| wwoods | | it'll help me keep track of tasks and milestones | Apr 22 12:40 |
| wwoods | | and give some transparency into the process | Apr 22 12:40 |
| adamw | | yeah, as long as it doesn't add too much overhead it's probably a win | Apr 22 12:40 |
| viking_ice | | Fedora QA track instance could also be used I think.. | Apr 22 12:40 |
| adamw | | what trac are you using currently? | Apr 22 12:41 |
| wwoods | | anyway, let's move on, since we've got some big things to discuss with Preview looming | Apr 22 12:41 |
| f13 | | I'll try to slap something together today | Apr 22 12:41 |
| adamw | | OK, move on sounds good | Apr 22 12:41 |
| adamw | | next topic's a biggie - f11 preview preparation | Apr 22 12:41 |
| wwoods | | I'm not. I'm using 'vim ~/autoqa-todos.txt' | Apr 22 12:42 |
| adamw | | jlaska split this into three bits for us | Apr 22 12:42 |
| adamw | | blocker bug, schedule, install results | Apr 22 12:42 |
| wwoods | | so moving that to trac is probably a good idea. but yes. blocker bug! | Apr 22 12:42 |
| adamw | | so, for blocker bug...looks pretty manageable | Apr 22 12:43 |
| adamw | | 14 open bugs, a lot of which are MODIFIED or ON_QA | Apr 22 12:43 |
| wwoods | | f13: when do we need to start pushing the Preview bits out? | Apr 22 12:43 |
| f13 | | we need a lot of verification of those though | Apr 22 12:43 |
| f13 | | today would be a very good day to compose the bits | Apr 22 12:43 |
| f13 | | tomorrow less so | Apr 22 12:43 |
| --- | thomasj_ is now known as thomasj | Apr 22 12:44 | |
| f13 | | frelling deltarpms have been making rawhide composes take too fucking long though and eating into our testing time | Apr 22 12:44 |
| wwoods | | yikes. okay. | Apr 22 12:44 |
| f13 | | this is why I asked for a matrix and help testing things last week | Apr 22 12:44 |
| adamw | | f13: what are the real biggies in your view? | Apr 22 12:45 |
| wwoods | | I've gotta get some upgrade test cases into the install matrix | Apr 22 12:45 |
| f13 | | it's hard to say since there hasn't been much testing | Apr 22 12:45 |
| f13 | | verifying all the MODIFIED stuff is big | Apr 22 12:45 |
| f13 | | and correcting any of the big Beta issues that we shipped with | Apr 22 12:46 |
| f13 | | I'm going to make up some isos today, once rawhide lands | Apr 22 12:46 |
| wwoods | | unfortunately I lost a test system and one of my other test systems is EFI, which is.. not great | Apr 22 12:46 |
| f13 | | just waiting on ppc to finish buildinstallinating | Apr 22 12:47 |
| f13 | | ppc is one major thing too | Apr 22 12:47 |
| f13 | | since ppc was DOA for beta | Apr 22 12:47 |
| adamw | | there's what looks like a showstopper ppc bug in the list, 496173 | Apr 22 12:48 |
| wwoods | | true. I'll spin up some tests on ppc64 if it helps - are there images somewhere? | Apr 22 12:48 |
| adamw | | status MODIFIED as of april 17th, looks like it needs a re-test | Apr 22 12:48 |
| f13 | | I've just confirmed it | Apr 22 12:48 |
| wwoods | | anaconda .46 is in rawhide, so yeah, should be fixed | Apr 22 12:48 |
| f13 | | wwoods: there is yesterday's rawhide, and there will be today's rawhide | Apr 22 12:49 |
| f13 | | well I confirmed it yesterday and forgot to close the bug | Apr 22 12:49 |
| wwoods | | oh, anaconda .47 lands today? nice, maybe EFI will work | Apr 22 12:49 |
| f13 | | and mdraid | Apr 22 12:50 |
| f13 | | mdraid is a bit shakey | Apr 22 12:50 |
| f13 | | so overall anaconda storage is a concern | Apr 22 12:50 |
| wwoods | | mdraid has always been bunk | Apr 22 12:51 |
| adamw | | color me surprised :\ | Apr 22 12:51 |
| wwoods | | I hate it with hammers | Apr 22 12:51 |
| f13 | | erm, no it hasn't | Apr 22 12:51 |
| f13 | | perhaps you're thinking of dmraid | Apr 22 12:51 |
| wwoods | | oh! | Apr 22 12:51 |
| wwoods | | yes. | Apr 22 12:51 |
| f13 | | oddly enough, dmraid is solid, mdraid is not | Apr 22 12:51 |
| adamw | | and of course that's the trickiest thing to test, because you need appropriate hardware and an up-to-date anaconda and to run an actual install | Apr 22 12:51 |
| wwoods | | I apologize. Please redirect my hammer-wielding hatred. | Apr 22 12:52 |
| wwoods | | I have a preupgrade bug regarding an mdraid install which is probably this | Apr 22 12:52 |
| f13 | | rawhide is rsyncing | Apr 22 12:52 |
| wwoods | | the reporter says cute things like "Apparently this new version of the OS is dropping support for upgrading | Apr 22 12:53 |
| wwoods | | software RAID volumes." | Apr 22 12:53 |
| adamw | | i'm just poking through the bugs on the list now to see what needs to happen to get them tested / fixed... | Apr 22 12:53 |
| wwoods | | yes, apparently this bug indicates that we are intentionally removing support for your configuration. never ascribe malice etc. | Apr 22 12:53 |
| f13 | | anything else? I've got a meeting and need to input some food first | Apr 22 12:55 |
| adamw | | yeah, the other two bits | Apr 22 12:55 |
| wwoods | | no, I think we're in well-worn territory here. standard day-before-push panic. | Apr 22 12:55 |
| adamw | | schedule and install test results | Apr 22 12:56 |
| adamw | | i'm not sure exactly what jlaska wanted to talk about there | Apr 22 12:56 |
| adamw | | presumably, do we think we're ok for the schedule? will we make it? | Apr 22 12:56 |
| wwoods | | schedule: release is apr. 28. if we want to hit that, we need to push bits today or tomorrow | Apr 22 12:56 |
| wwoods | | I'd feel more comfortable answering that question once we've had a chance to test with today's rawhide bits | Apr 22 12:57 |
| adamw | | ok | Apr 22 12:58 |
| adamw | | so, conclusion: we need to push some bits, build some images and test 'em | Apr 22 12:58 |
| wwoods | | right. most of the stuff on the blocker list needs retesting, we need today's bits for some of it. | Apr 22 12:58 |
| wwoods | | f13: any ETA on the rawhide compose? | Apr 22 12:59 |
| f13 | | it's rsyncing to the master now | Apr 22 12:59 |
| wwoods | | I'll see what I can do with current rawhide - get some ppc64 testing in, etc | Apr 22 12:59 |
| wwoods | | nice. | Apr 22 12:59 |
| adamw | | several of the bugs on the blocker list are claimed fixed last month but haven't been confirmed, i've just sent out pings on most of those | Apr 22 12:59 |
| wwoods | | alright - f13 and I have another meeting to hit | Apr 22 13:00 |
| adamw | | ok, thanks all | Apr 22 13:00 |
| f13 | | it's first stage rsync though, not hte second stage with repodata | Apr 22 13:00 |
| f13 | | later | Apr 22 13:00 |
| wwoods | | I think we'll discuss it further in that meeting and afterward we'll have bits | Apr 22 13:00 |
| f13 | | wwoods: I'll be on that meeting in a few minutes | Apr 22 13:00 |
| wwoods | | we can begin retesting in earnest | Apr 22 13:00 |
| adamw | | does anyone have anything else to bring up, which doesn't involve f13 or wwoods? :) | Apr 22 13:00 |
| wwoods | | and have a much better picture of how boned we are in a few hours | Apr 22 13:00 |
| adamw | | update the boneometer! | Apr 22 13:01 |
| viking_ice | | what'ś that tied to the gaydar it's the boneometer.. | Apr 22 13:01 |
| viking_ice | | available for just 9billiion swahili dollars.. | Apr 22 13:02 |
| adamw | | aha | Apr 22 13:03 |
| adamw | | ok, meeting adjourned! thanks all | Apr 22 13:03 |
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