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| ianweller | #startmeeting Fedora Marketing | 20:01 |
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| ianweller | #chair themayor | 20:02 |
| ianweller | :) | 20:02 |
| ianweller | where's the list of people themayor usually pings lol | 20:04 |
| themayor | im here | 20:04 |
| themayor | i usually ping moixs, mizmo, herlo, err who else | 20:04 |
| themayor | inode0: ping | 20:05 |
| themayor | jds2001: ping | 20:05 |
| themayor | anyway | 20:06 |
| themayor | lets just get started | 20:06 |
| themayor | okay so basically i wanted to discuss as a follow up from last weeks meeting | 20:08 |
| themayor | there has been some action on foobar | 20:08 |
| mizmo | yoyo | 20:08 |
| themayor | rahul and some others have been working on news.fp.o, or they were actually and there was no traction for a while | 20:08 |
| themayor | so after some confusion, rahul sort of agreed we should ditch that | 20:09 |
| ianweller | is foobar the name or just the codename we're working with | 20:09 |
| themayor | just the codename | 20:09 |
| ianweller | ok | 20:09 |
| themayor | we havent picked a name yet, but as you can see many have been offered | 20:09 |
| themayor | i dont think its important to pick a name right now, before we start getting things together, maybe next week we can spend time picking a name | 20:10 |
| themayor | mizmo: have you seen the wiki page | 20:10 |
| ianweller | understood | 20:10 |
| mizmo | themayor: last week i did im guessing theres more content since then? | 20:10 |
| themayor | some, i dont know when you looked at it | 20:10 |
| themayor | anyway so basically jonrob, you are back in action? | 20:11 |
| JonRob | i'm on summer vacation now, yeah :) | 20:11 |
| ianweller | #topic foobar | 20:11 |
| themayor | okay, great, and i take it you intend to help with project foobar then? | 20:12 |
| JonRob | i would love to | 20:12 |
| JonRob | i worked pretty hard and long for news.fp.o, so if we can get its natural successor up and running, i'd be very happy | 20:12 |
| themayor | awesome alright | 20:12 |
| themayor | yeah i think this new project has alot of potentiak | 20:13 |
| themayor | okay so all that being said, i think we should try and do 2 things today | 20:13 |
| themayor | first, see if we want to add anything to the goals, or direction of the project while we are still in the early phases | 20:14 |
| themayor | and then second, lets start figuring out some action items and gettting the ball rolling | 20:14 |
| themayor | sound good? | 20:14 |
| ianweller | sure | 20:15 |
| mizmo | themayor: i want a rawhide weather report lol | 20:16 |
| themayor | we can do that | 20:16 |
| themayor | lol | 20:17 |
| themayor | something to talk to jesse about | 20:17 |
| ianweller | that's one of the proposals i think | 20:17 |
| ianweller | determining how rainy rawhide is | 20:17 |
| themayor | the project is great because i think each sub group can manage their own thing too | 20:17 |
| themayor | okay so first up, everyone pull up the wiki page and tell me if you think we need to add anything" | 20:17 |
| themayor | ? | 20:17 |
| JonRob | Some kind of editorial role to ensure quality of content? | 20:18 |
| JonRob | if this is to be the face of fedora to the outside world, everything needs to be spot on | 20:18 |
| themayor | yes sort of | 20:18 |
| ianweller | how are we going to increase the amount of video/audio production | 20:19 |
| themayor | i think what we will have is an editorial board responsible for monitoring each section, and the respective team | 20:19 |
| themayor | ianweller: i am going to work alot on content production | 20:19 |
| JonRob | themayor: yeah, exactly | 20:19 |
| themayor | and we will get others | 20:19 |
| themayor | we already have people doing it | 20:20 |
| themayor | and when people see this flourish they will be interested in jumping on board | 20:20 |
| JonRob | i wouldn't underestimate how hard getting enough content will be | 20:20 |
| JonRob | i've been involved with both fedora tv and news.fp.o | 20:21 |
| themayor | JonRob: thats why i suggested a journal style | 20:21 |
| JonRob | and both struggled with that side of things | 20:21 |
| JonRob | as did RHM | 20:21 |
| JonRob | what do you mean by journal, and how do you think that will help? | 20:21 |
| themayor | because it gives us a fairly large windows to aggregate and/or produce larger pieces | 20:21 |
| themayor | hrm, journal, i think mizmo described it best in the meeting, mo do you remember what you said that day? | 20:22 |
| JonRob | oh, you mean like a monthly magazine? | 20:22 |
| themayor | something like that | 20:22 |
| JonRob | ok i see what you mean by that | 20:22 |
| themayor | like big pieces less often and smaller pieces more often | 20:22 |
| themayor | so for example | 20:22 |
| themayor | fedora weekly news, that continues as is | 20:22 |
| themayor | or whatever the news team ends up wanting to do with it | 20:22 |
| mizmo | well one thing i remember mentioning in the meeting is that there might be a regular schedule for things | 20:23 |
| themayor | yes | 20:23 |
| themayor | so for example every week we have weekly news | 20:23 |
| mizmo | like the 1st week of each month is 'contributor interview week' | 20:23 |
| ianweller | "planet fridays" | 20:23 |
| mizmo | we pick a contributor and do an interview | 20:23 |
| themayor | on a week 1 we have some audio | 20:23 |
| themayor | yes exactly | 20:23 |
| themayor | and its all just flows together | 20:23 |
| JonRob | this is more or less the plan we had for news.fp.o, except spacing it out into weeks instead of days is a good idea! | 20:23 |
| themayor | i wont lie, it will take probably 2-3 months to seed alot of stuff on there | 20:23 |
| themayor | but at that point we will be on all cylinders | 20:24 |
| themayor | if we set up things on a schedule and we have a month to prepare them, it takes alot of pressure off | 20:24 |
| themayor | and it helps organize things | 20:25 |
| themayor | i think alot of the issues now are we know what we need to do, but not always by when, and we often end up doing things a 2-3 days before we need them when we could easily expand that timetable which would aid us tremendously | 20:25 |
| themayor | also aggregating pieces while distributing editorial control helps alleviate a "managerial" burden of producing/distributing stuff and also gives that specific team more control | 20:26 |
| JonRob | themayor, have you asked rhm team about their experiences? | 20:27 |
| JonRob | enquired if they were interested in getting involved? | 20:27 |
| themayor | JonRob: honestly no because many of them are busy and they have a certain focus | 20:28 |
| themayor | i dont want to distract them | 20:28 |
| themayor | and they have responsibilities to that | 20:28 |
| themayor | we can always let them get involved after | 20:29 |
| JonRob | ok that's fair, i guess it's for each person to come to the project themselves | 20:29 |
| themayor | and right now, we are building infrastructure and setting up, i would rather not tack more onto their workload | 20:29 |
| themayor | people are already overloaded | 20:29 |
| themayor | anyway so with regard to goals stuff we are solid on that right? | 20:31 |
| themayor | no one wants to add anything | 20:31 |
| themayor | you guys with me? am i talking too fast lol? | 20:32 |
| JonRob | all is good | 20:32 |
| themayor | okay so now action plan | 20:32 |
| mizmo | i think im good | 20:32 |
| themayor | what do we do this with? | 20:33 |
| themayor | wordpress, drupal | 20:33 |
| ianweller | drupal has really iffy security. | 20:33 |
| themayor | we can do all this in wordpress i think? | 20:33 |
| ianweller | yes | 20:33 |
| mizmo | wordpress++ | 20:33 |
| themayor | didnt we look at wordpress for news.fp.o | 20:33 |
| JonRob | yeah | 20:33 |
| JonRob | and wordpress is probs the best way to go | 20:33 |
| ianweller | be sure to check with infrastructure. | 20:33 |
| JonRob | has a big advantage being pre-packaged, a requirement of the infra team | 20:34 |
| ianweller | we need to work with them every step of the way | 20:34 |
| themayor | back then it wasnt mature and we tried a few time to do things with what was the open source hosted wordpress think ibiblio did called | 20:34 |
| ianweller | so that they don't get surprised at the last minute | 20:34 |
| JonRob | and they've already been experimenting with deployments | 20:34 |
| themayor | yeah okay so lets set out what we need | 20:34 |
| ianweller | JonRob: they're presently experimenting with a blogs.fp.o using wordpress-mu | 20:34 |
| JonRob | might also be worth investigating working with docs et al on zicular | 20:34 |
| themayor | isnt it zikula? | 20:35 |
| JonRob | ianweller: and we had many different test instances up for news.fp.o | 20:35 |
| JonRob | themayor, perhaps, it's a strange word i don't know how to spell! | 20:35 |
| themayor | yeah im pretty sure its zikula lol ;) | 20:35 |
| JonRob | if we worked with docs | 20:36 |
| ianweller | zikula <-- that | 20:36 |
| JonRob | it would lighten the load on us, docs and infra | 20:36 |
| themayor | yes we are going to | 20:36 |
| themayor | i spoke to sparks a couple of times | 20:36 |
| ianweller | (fwiw i'm working on a relatively similar project at my school's newspaper with their website) | 20:36 |
| themayor | ianweller: can we see? | 20:36 |
| ianweller | well the html is about 5% complete so no :) | 20:36 |
| ianweller | it'll be new as of uhhh hopefully late august | 20:37 |
| ianweller | running wordpress. | 20:37 |
| themayor | hahaha | 20:37 |
| themayor | okay | 20:37 |
| abadger1999 | wordpress or zikula... I'm really loving the zikula devs lately (they are very open to making changes to satisfy packaging guidelines and helping the docs team with custom plugins) | 20:37 |
| themayor | well we need 3-4 things to happen then | 20:38 |
| themayor | 1. talks to infrastructure about what platform to use | 20:38 |
| mizmo | wordpress has a nice podcast plugin thingy that makes it easy to do podcast posts | 20:38 |
| mizmo | but i dont know anything about zikula | 20:38 |
| themayor | thats why we have infrastructure | 20:38 |
| themayor | 2. we need to talk to news and figure out who they want to tie in to all this | 20:39 |
| themayor | 3. we need to talk to docs and figure out a publication list and fit that into a schedule | 20:40 |
| themayor | and 4. i forgot but im sure someone else can think of something | 20:40 |
| ianweller | 4. donuts | 20:42 |
| themayor | lol | 20:42 |
| ianweller | thought of something ^_^ | 20:42 |
| themayor | anyway, does anyone want to talk to infrastrtucture about platform | 20:42 |
| themayor | whoa, an asian girl just showed up on my screen after ian's last line | 20:43 |
| themayor | whoa | 20:43 |
| * ianweller ctcp versions themayor | 20:43 | |
| ianweller | oh, that would explain it | 20:43 |
| ianweller | mac os x, how could you?! :P | 20:43 |
| themayor | haha, i missed the button when i booted, so i just let it go, lol | 20:44 |
| ianweller | lol | 20:44 |
| themayor | JonRob: how close are you with the fedora weekly news guys | 20:44 |
| JonRob | i lost touch after tchung pulled out, don't really know pascal etc | 20:44 |
| JonRob | would be happy to drop by, although all my approaches in the past have fallen on death ears | 20:45 |
| JonRob | deaf* | 20:45 |
| themayor | ah, okay, well either way, would you wanna be responsible for talking to the news team and laying the plan out and seeing what they say | 20:45 |
| JonRob | i will happily do so | 20:45 |
| themayor | okay | 20:46 |
| themayor | so ianweller you wanna talk to infrastructure guys and ill cover docs? | 20:46 |
| ianweller | sure | 20:46 |
| themayor | also ianweller whats going on with the metrics, how are we going to tie that into this? | 20:46 |
| ianweller | what's currently going on is i'm hacking with fedora community/moksha | 20:46 |
| ianweller | and attempting to grok it | 20:46 |
| themayor | okay, so are we trying to build something new or using some existing tools? | 20:47 |
| ianweller | kinda both. | 20:47 |
| ianweller | we're going to integrate it as a new 'statistics' tab in fedora community | 20:47 |
| ianweller | a lot of new code is going to need to be written, preferrably in python-fedora | 20:47 |
| ianweller | i'll expand python-fedora a ton to handle things like the wiki, mailing lists, and perhaps web serverl ogs | 20:48 |
| themayor | okay, so what is it going to do, like give each individual person a breakdown of stats that they are looking for? | 20:48 |
| ianweller | which is where the integration with foobar comes in | 20:48 |
| ianweller | themayor: there will be a relatively large stats section. on the right side of the page there will be different parts of fedora infrastructure that you can look at | 20:48 |
| ianweller | in the current pre-alpha code there's 'wiki' and 'updates' | 20:49 |
| themayor | do you have any mickups? | 20:49 |
| themayor | mockups? | 20:49 |
| ianweller | yeah hold on | 20:49 |
| ianweller | i have a screenshot of lmacken's work | 20:49 |
| ianweller | http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fedoracommunity-statistics.png | 20:49 |
| themayor | also, when are you going to be talking to max about things, because i also dont want us to reinvent the wheel for this, from marketings perspective | 20:49 |
| ianweller | running locally | 20:49 |
| themayor | ah i see | 20:50 |
| ianweller | so theoretically you could have 'foobar' on the right and you could see whatever metrics we code for. | 20:50 |
| ianweller | (which would most likely be grokking the access logs on log1) | 20:50 |
| ianweller | ((which means i have to write an api for that, blugh) | 20:50 |
| ianweller | ) | 20:50 |
| ianweller | themayor: i'll talk to max about it whenever he wants me to. | 20:50 |
| ianweller | if he has questions o | 20:50 |
| ianweller | blugh | 20:51 |
| ianweller | if he has questions i'll answer 'em | 20:51 |
| ianweller | i don't really have anything cohesive yet other than that :P | 20:51 |
| themayor | okay i just saw the email exchange he had with you and he mentioned we will do it on the list, you did a fair bit of talking to him already about what he wants right? | 20:51 |
| ianweller | yeah | 20:51 |
| themayor | okay | 20:53 |
| themayor | well lets see how things roll out, JonRob and ian, can we each try and take care of our action item by thurs/fri and report back to the list? | 20:53 |
| JonRob | i'm writing the e-mail right now | 20:53 |
| ianweller | sure | 20:54 |
| themayor | awesome | 20:54 |
| themayor | ill talk to sparks when i catch him today or tomorrow | 20:54 |
| themayor | and then we can all report back, figure out what directions things are going in and move forward, hopefully next week we can start making a decision on platform | 20:55 |
| themayor | make sure to reference foobar in stuff you post to the list, i set up a special filter ;) | 20:55 |
| themayor | ^_^ | 20:56 |
| themayor | i like that one | 20:56 |
| * ianweller hits themayor | 20:57 | |
| themayor | lol | 20:57 |
| themayor | alright sounds good | 20:57 |
| themayor | so lets call it a meeting and get cracking | 20:58 |
| * ianweller notes that themayor wants to use the command #endmeeting | 20:58 | |
| themayor | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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