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| Sparks | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
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| Sparks | #chair poelcat | 15:00 |
| Sparks | #topic Zikula CMS Solution Meeting | 15:00 |
| Sparks | poelcat: go | 15:00 |
| Sparks | :) | 15:00 |
| * ianweller | 15:01 | |
| * Sparks is here | 15:01 | |
| poelcat | who else is here? | 15:01 |
| * JonRob | 15:01 | |
| * ke4qqq is here | 15:01 | |
| * ianweller *just* woke up so is still a little... wonked out | 15:01 | |
| * poelcat knows the feeling :) | 15:01 | |
| * Sparks thinks ianweller is always a little wonked out | 15:01 | |
| poelcat | does anyone know Simon's nick? | 15:02 |
| * laubersm is lurking but not 100% paying attention | 15:02 | |
| Sparks | itbegins | 15:02 |
| rjune | poelcat: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot | 15:02 |
| * ke4qqq waves at laubersm - long time no see | 15:02 | |
| poelcat | # topic Introduction | 15:03 |
| ianweller | (no space between # and topic) | 15:03 |
| poelcat | #topic Introduction | 15:03 |
| poelcat | a couple of weeks back some folks asked if i would help lead a cross-team meeting to | 15:04 |
| poelcat | work on getting Zikula live | 15:04 |
| poelcat | obviously I said "yes" :) | 15:04 |
| poelcat | i am not a subject matter expert at all, I am just here to help facilitate the meetings and track progress, etc. | 15:04 |
| poelcat | so i'll need a little help with topics that need to be covered etc. | 15:05 |
| poelcat | As I understand things the first usage of Zikula will be by the docs team | 15:05 |
| poelcat | but in time will be rolled out for and affect other teams | 15:05 |
| * Sparks can probably help as well as ke4qqq | 15:05 | |
| poelcat | is that correct? | 15:05 |
| Sparks | yes | 15:06 |
| * poelcat bats 1000 | 15:06 | |
| Sparks | This will be a replacement for docs.fp.o... | 15:06 |
| Sparks | and will be used by others in the same fashion later. | 15:06 |
| JonRob | marketing is very interested too, as a possibe use as backend for $foobar that we're looking to get going in the next 3/4 months | 15:06 |
| JonRob | althoguh we're exploring all possibilities | 15:07 |
| poelcat | our first topic was to set a regular meeting time, but we need Simon for that | 15:07 |
| poelcat | so we'll wait and see if he appears | 15:07 |
| poelcat | any more on the "intro" ? | 15:07 |
| * Sparks thought mizmo would be here to discuss artwork and design... | 15:08 | |
| poelcat | ianweller is covering that | 15:08 |
| Sparks | cool | 15:08 |
| poelcat | #topic Module Packaging Status | 15:08 |
| poelcat | so as I understand things we can't go live with zikula until it is fully packaged | 15:08 |
| poelcat | is there a wiki page tracking progress on this? | 15:09 |
| poelcat | or a tracker bug? | 15:09 |
| Sparks | there is a bug ticket... | 15:09 |
| * Sparks goes to find it | 15:09 | |
| itbegins | hello everyone | 15:09 |
| itbegins | sorry I am late, got help up | 15:09 |
| poelcat | itbegins: welcome | 15:09 |
| Sparks | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504066 | 15:10 |
| buggbot | Bug 504066: medium, high, ---, david, ASSIGNED, CMS for docs.fp.org | 15:10 |
| ianweller | that's the tracker right? | 15:10 |
| Sparks | Yes | 15:10 |
| Sparks | There should be blockers against it for all the modules and such. | 15:10 |
| poelcat | do all of the bugs have to be closed to go live? | 15:11 |
| * Sparks counts fourteen tickets blocking it. | 15:11 | |
| ke4qqq | yes and some that aren't even open yet | 15:11 |
| * ricky is here, sorry | 15:11 | |
| poelcat | are these bugs just for incomplete packaging requsts or there are other TODOs? | 15:12 |
| mizmo | im here | 15:12 |
| ianweller | mizmo: :) | 15:12 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: Can we create task tickets for those items that haven't been opened? | 15:12 |
| poelcat | IOW where would other teams file RFEs and other needs? | 15:12 |
| Sparks | poelcat: There are TODOs and Packaging requests | 15:12 |
| ke4qqq | they are not-yet-tackled package reviews from my standpoint | 15:12 |
| ke4qqq | mainly bundled libraries | 15:13 |
| * poelcat would suggest bugzillas for packaging and needed code changes... wiki task list for other things | 15:13 | |
| ke4qqq | though we have a ton of existing modules and dependencies waiting on reviews | 15:13 |
| poelcat | ke4qqq: do we have an easy way to query them? | 15:14 |
| poelcat | or is that the tracker bug? | 15:14 |
| ke4qqq | the stuff that's not yet tackled?? or the stuff waiting on reviews? | 15:14 |
| poelcat | both | 15:14 |
| Sparks | poelcat: That's the tracker. | 15:14 |
| ke4qqq | just searching for zikula in BZ shows most of the outstanding reviews - the stuff not yet tackled - not really - at least not yet. | 15:15 |
| ke4qqq | part of it is that you don't know about the bundled libraries until you start looking at the stuff you are packaging | 15:16 |
| poelcat | so the tracker bugs has the MUST HAVES? | 15:16 |
| * poelcat trying to get a sense of scope and what needs to be tracked/tackled | 15:17 | |
| ke4qqq | and if you miss it, the first notice might be when someone reviews, or when infrastructure audits the package | 15:17 |
| Sparks | poelcat: I tink so | 15:17 |
| Sparks | I think, too | 15:17 |
| poelcat | okay, so it seems best to focus on the tracker for the near term? | 15:17 |
| * poelcat takes silence as "yes" | 15:19 | |
| ke4qqq | silence is assent | 15:19 |
| poelcat | what is the process for clearing open bugs/package reviews? | 15:19 |
| poelcat | are you actively seeking out reviewers? | 15:20 |
| Sparks | We actually have reviewers that are helping us out. | 15:20 |
| Sparks | So that's not so much of a problem right now. | 15:20 |
| ke4qqq | I was hoping that the same group that packaged them would review them - but haven't seen that happening - I closed a few of them. | 15:20 |
| ke4qqq | it isn't??? | 15:20 |
| ke4qqq | have I missed something? | 15:20 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: Between ianweller and... someone... My packages have been getting regular attention. | 15:21 |
| ke4qqq | ahhh yes - there are some where certain packagers need prodding (/me just looked at the reviews) | 15:22 |
| ke4qqq | there are also two packages awaiting a sponsor | 15:22 |
| Sparks | toshio... | 15:22 |
| Sparks | You, ianweller, and toshio have been working my packages. | 15:22 |
| ke4qqq | from two different people | 15:23 |
| ke4qqq | those may need some attention we can't give | 15:23 |
| jds2001 | gack | 15:23 |
| * jds2001 forgot about this meeting. | 15:23 | |
| poelcat | working backwards from the intended "go live" and when package reviews need to be done... has a go live date been selected? | 15:23 |
| ke4qqq | I'd think it needs to be a few weeks before first draft of RN hits docs.fp.o | 15:24 |
| Sparks | poelcat: 60 days from the FAD @ SELF was the projected time. | 15:24 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: Yes! | 15:24 |
| poelcat | Sparks: is that still realistic? | 15:24 |
| ke4qqq | poelcat: if we could get all of the packaging (and the outstanding licensing and bug issues) fixed in a week - it might be.... | 15:25 |
| Sparks | poelcat: maybe | 15:26 |
| poelcat | ke4qqq: what is percentage chance of that happening? | 15:26 |
| ke4qqq | if we could as a group dedicate sometime to it this weekend, we could likely get the majority of it accomplished. The two unknowns right now are the continued licensing issue - and a hash function bug that I am running into - ohhh and the people needing sponsors | 15:27 |
| poelcat | ke4qqq: what is percentage chance of that happening? | 15:28 |
| ke4qqq | I'd say I'd guves us 40% | 15:28 |
| ke4qqq | give even | 15:28 |
| poelcat | so while it is "possible" not "probable" | 15:28 |
| poelcat | ? | 15:28 |
| ke4qqq | might be slightly less - some of those needing sponsors have lingered for a bit. That's a correct statement | 15:29 |
| poelcat | what is the task # here http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-docs-tasks.html that relates to the RN on docs.fp.o ? | 15:29 |
| ke4qqq | 8 | 15:30 |
| * poelcat notes there are no "wrong" answers here, we're just trying to figure out where were are at so we can figure out an honest end date :) | 15:30 | |
| poelcat | what action items/owners/dates should we set around completing this topic? | 15:31 |
| poelcat | where "this topic" | 15:31 |
| poelcat | = package reviews | 15:31 |
| ke4qqq | I'd like to say all of the non-sponsor-needing package reviews done by this time next week - the balance we need to get the sponsees in high gear or go through the deadreview process | 15:32 |
| ke4qqq | which will take a minimum of 7 days | 15:32 |
| poelcat | who is responsible for that task? | 15:33 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: | 15:33 |
| poelcat | so we know who to check back w/ next meeting | 15:33 |
| ke4qqq | as in who is going to carry the whip - or who is doing the actual work? | 15:33 |
| poelcat | ke4qqq: who is carrying the whip and can give status at our next meeting? | 15:34 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq carries the whip... there are a number of others, including ke4qqq, doing the actual work | 15:34 |
| * ke4qqq spews his drpepper | 15:34 | |
| Sparks | what? Is it something I said? | 15:34 |
| poelcat | I see my role here as helping to guide things forward from a high level, but probably not able to able to crack the whip at all of the lower levels :) | 15:34 |
| poelcat | hopefully you all agree | 15:35 |
| * poelcat still isn't clear on completion date for package reviews? | 15:36 | |
| ke4qqq | for everything but the reviews needing sponsors the goal is next week at Wednesday no later than 11:36am | 15:36 |
| ke4qqq | Eastern | 15:36 |
| ke4qqq | :) | 15:36 |
| * ianweller blinks | 15:36 | |
| Sparks | Eastern Daylight or just Eastern? | 15:37 |
| poelcat | that could be CEST ;-) | 15:37 |
| ke4qqq | :) | 15:38 |
| poelcat | okay we'll check back on packaging next week | 15:38 |
| poelcat | what other things need to be done successfully reach go live on 2009-08-18 ? | 15:39 |
| ke4qqq | oops - forgot a few things - mind if I drop those on you | 15:39 |
| * poelcat realizes that is a big question... maybe more suitable for a wiki list | 15:39 | |
| ke4qqq | so first - there are 2-3 fedora-specific modules that zikula guys have done for us (mainly itbegins) we need to get source code for those in fedorahosted - and get those packaged in the infra repos. | 15:40 |
| itbegins | Yes, there's the theme, the FASAuth and the docs publishing module | 15:40 |
| itbegins | the last of that list isn't complete yet, to my knowledge | 15:40 |
| itbegins | The theme probably needs input from websites | 15:41 |
| itbegins | FASAuth 'just works' | 15:41 |
| poelcat | are we tracking these other modules in bugzilla? | 15:41 |
| ke4qqq | can we get that pushed up today? everything as it stands now | 15:41 |
| ke4qqq | poelcat: we aren't yet | 15:41 |
| poelcat | who would like to be own creating the bugzillas? | 15:42 |
| Sparks | I can | 15:43 |
| itbegins | I have a bit of an issue at the moment - I've had 3 laptops die on me over the last couple of weeks and have no linux machines running at the moment. So, I'll have to re-establish all my Fedora stuff before I can commit anything to the repositories | 15:44 |
| poelcat | Sparks: thanks | 15:44 |
| poelcat | itbegins: ouch! | 15:44 |
| ke4qqq | itbegins: how long? | 15:44 |
| itbegins | I can email the code elsewhere for someone else to do quicker | 15:44 |
| itbegins | otherwise, as I'm also packing for relocation to the US I can't see it happening for a while | 15:45 |
| ke4qqq | ok - email it to me (and Sparks) if you don't mind - one of us will get it up by end of the day | 15:45 |
| Sparks | we will? | 15:45 |
| itbegins | will do | 15:45 |
| Sparks | I mean... we will. | 15:45 |
| * poelcat notes we have 15 min left | 15:45 | |
| ke4qqq | :) | 15:45 |
| poelcat | #topic Next Meeting Time | 15:46 |
| poelcat | can we continue to meet at this time/day ? | 15:46 |
| ianweller | this time is ok, i just have to learn to go to bed at not 3am the night before | 15:46 |
| itbegins | poelcat, I can't... | 15:46 |
| itbegins | but I don't know when I can | 15:46 |
| rislam | +1 for timing | 15:47 |
| Sparks | Okay for me. | 15:47 |
| * poelcat wonders if we can do a few meetings at this time until we are really blocking on itbegins? | 15:47 | |
| itbegins | That's fine by me | 15:47 |
| poelcat | hopefully by then itbegins has a better idea on availability? | 15:47 |
| itbegins | I can read the logs and follow up on any questions | 15:47 |
| itbegins | I should know better in a week or so | 15:47 |
| poelcat | perfect | 15:48 |
| ke4qqq | ok to go back to your question - we need to create the puppet manifests - I am sure infra will want to audit all of that, including the code ( abadger1999 has already done a ton of that and found problems) - we need a decent testinstance running that we can beat on (that's generated by puppet, not installed by hand) and then I guess we need to work on publishing everything in test and get that incantation squared away. | 15:48 |
| itbegins | ke4qqq, afaik, only licensing so far, right? | 15:48 |
| ke4qqq | I ran into a hash issue I have been meaning to talk to you about when I unbundled some stuff - we can do so after the meeting if you want) | 15:49 |
| ke4qqq | it's a php4 v php5 issue - and I prolly just need to patch it myself and submit it upstream | 15:49 |
| poelcat | ready to move on? | 15:51 |
| rislam | i love to help too, but need to learn things first, are people allowed to learn things to work with the team? | 15:51 |
| ke4qqq | yes | 15:51 |
| ke4qqq | and rislam: yes | 15:51 |
| rislam | how? | 15:51 |
| ke4qqq | rislam: lets talk after the meeting | 15:52 |
| poelcat | #topic Important Cross Team Dependencies | 15:52 |
| poelcat | what things should we be tracking on this topic that we aren't already? | 15:52 |
| poelcat | or what things do different teams need to be thinking about? | 15:52 |
| ianweller | art team/websites approval of the theme? | 15:53 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Yes and anything that infra needs | 15:53 |
| ke4qqq | yeah we'll need art/design/websites help and blessing | 15:53 |
| poelcat | anything else on this topic or others in the remaining 5 minutes? | 15:55 |
| itbegins | If anyone needs to know anything about Zikula (from other teams etc) just email me | 15:57 |
| itbegins | I'm happy to answer any questions | 15:57 |
| poelcat | thanks everyone for coming | 15:59 |
| poelcat | #endmeeting | 15:59 |