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| poelcat | #startmeeting Zikula Meeting | 15:00 |
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| * poelcat sees Sparks and stickster | 15:00 | |
| poelcat | who else is here? | 15:00 |
| * stickster | 15:00 | |
| * ke4qqq | 15:00 | |
| poelcat | ianweller: wakeywakey | 15:01 |
| * stickster notes ianweller is at POSSE with mchua_afk and may be severely distracted or afk | 15:02 | |
| poelcat | oh, that's right | 15:02 |
| * Sparks | 15:02 | |
| * stickster attended Marketing meeting yesterday and may be able to fill in some gap | 15:02 | |
| poelcat | should we wait for anyone else? | 15:02 |
| stickster | I thought that someone from News might come by, but I may be mistaken | 15:02 |
| Sparks | Someone from infra... maybe ricky ? | 15:03 |
| * laubersm | 15:03 | |
| ke4qqq | pcalarco is still on vacation technically | 15:03 |
| stickster | Hi laubersm, nice to see you! | 15:03 |
| poelcat | alrighty, lets get started | 15:03 |
| stickster | poelcat: Thanks for running the meeting today. | 15:03 |
| poelcat | #info 28 Days until "Go Live" (2009-08-18) | 15:03 |
| * stickster wonders if there is a Zikula upstream person online | 15:04 | |
| poelcat | #topic Follow up to last meeting action items https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Zikula_IRC_log_20090715 | 15:04 |
| * Sparks notes itbegins is not online | 15:04 | |
| ke4qqq | he's still moving iirc | 15:05 |
| ianweller | i am severely distracted since i'm teaching packaging reviews :( | 15:05 |
| stickster | ianweller: np | 15:05 |
| poelcat | checking in on packaging status https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=504066&hide_resolved=1 | 15:05 |
| stickster | ke4qqq: Didn't he delegate someone for the interim? | 15:05 |
| ke4qqq | he did delegate drak, let me see if he is around | 15:05 |
| ke4qqq | stickster: he isn't, but I'll ask him to attend all future meetings | 15:06 |
| stickster | ke4qqq: OK, thanks for doing that | 15:06 |
| stickster | poelcat: Sorry for the digression | 15:06 |
| poelcat | we were Targeting 2009-07-23 for finishing packaging | 15:06 |
| stickster | So, packaging status | 15:06 |
| poelcat | stickster: np | 15:06 |
| stickster | ke4qqq: How would you indicate our status as a simple percentage? | 15:06 |
| stickster | I know we're blocked on a couple licensing problems that need to be untangled upstream | 15:07 |
| ke4qqq | virtually 100% in progress - but blocked on licensing largely | 15:07 |
| ke4qqq | it may be that we need to quit relying solely on upstream and excise some stuff ourselves and contribute that back up - esp the easy stuff. | 15:07 |
| poelcat | are there any remaining things we can do or 100% waiting for itbegins, etc? | 15:07 |
| stickster | How much of the basic content modules can we simply install and go with? | 15:08 |
| ke4qqq | poelcat: we have a few things that are still under our control to do from a packaging standpoint, but very little - most is in a wait state | 15:08 |
| * stickster notes that post-installing zikula modules via RPM and then turning them on in the Zikula instance is pretty easy | 15:08 | |
| ke4qqq | stickster: last Sparks checked there were only 2 modules built, though I think I saw one of yours hit CVS last night | 15:09 |
| stickster | Yup, should be available soon | 15:09 |
| Sparks | yeah, 2 modules + the core | 15:09 |
| * stickster is going to push that to stable | 15:09 | |
| ke4qqq | core was just updated by upstream btw, so a new version will likely happen when I close the bug that's outstanding there as well | 15:10 |
| poelcat | are are specific "next actions" we should capture and track? | 15:12 |
| stickster | ke4qqq: When does Simon return from moving? | 15:12 |
| * poelcat thought it was ~2 weeks... around right now | 15:13 | |
| stickster | as did I | 15:13 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: Are you going to have time today to go over some of my packages to see what we can weed out? | 15:14 |
| stickster | We're moving a little slowly here, guys. | 15:15 |
| Sparks | poelcat: I guess we need to get everything packaged... get a test instance up... get art/websites to make sure everything looks pretty... | 15:16 |
| Sparks | poelcat: After that, everything should be gravy. | 15:16 |
| stickster | Sparks: That's not specific enough for "next action" I think :-) | 15:16 |
| poelcat | Sparks: can we be more specific than "get everything packaged up?" | 15:16 |
| Sparks | Well... fixing the licensing issues | 15:16 |
| poelcat | which packages? | 15:16 |
| stickster | poelcat: ACTION: stickster <-- push zikula-module-News to stable | 15:16 |
| poelcat | #action stickster: push zikula-module-News to stable | 15:17 |
| * stickster looks up bugzilla to try and give poelcat some specifics | 15:17 | |
| * Sparks too | 15:17 | |
| stickster | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=FE-ZIKULA | 15:17 |
| buggbot | Bug FE: was not found. | 15:17 |
| Sparks | .bug 506056 | 15:17 |
| buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=506056 medium, medium, ---, a.badger, ASSIGNED, Review Request: zikula-module-scribite - The scribite! module for Zikula allows integration of various text editors | 15:17 |
| * poelcat notes it will easier to follow up on something specfic vs. "did everythig get done" :) | 15:17 | |
| buggbot | Bug 506056: medium, medium, ---, a.badger, ASSIGNED, Review Request: zikula-module-scribite - The scribite! module for Zikula allows integration of various text editors | 15:17 |
| Sparks | .bug 505982 | 15:18 |
| buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=505982 medium, medium, ---, ian, ON_QA, Review Request: zikula-module-MultiHook - MultiHook is a simple replacement for the old AutoLinks module for Zikula | 15:18 |
| buggbot | Bug 505982: medium, medium, ---, ian, ON_QA, Review Request: zikula-module-MultiHook - MultiHook is a simple replacement for the old AutoLinks module for Zikula | 15:18 |
| stickster | poelcat: Absolutely. | 15:18 |
| Sparks | I know those two packages have licensing issues. | 15:18 |
| Sparks | Oppps... not MultiHook | 15:18 |
| stickster | poelcat: phpSmug is blocked on a package naming issue. | 15:18 |
| stickster | suggestion: | 15:19 |
| stickster | #action stickster: resolve phpSmug naming, build and push. | 15:19 |
| * Sparks wonders why we need buggbot when we have zodbot | 15:20 | |
| poelcat | for the licensing issues... who is alerting upsream that these are blockers? | 15:20 |
| stickster | Sparks: And what are those modules? | 15:20 |
| abadger1999 | stickster: If you name it php-phpSmug, no one will object :-) | 15:20 |
| stickster | abadger1999: Correct, I'm going to do just that | 15:20 |
| * stickster taking the road of least resistance | 15:20 | |
| Sparks | poelcat: Myself and ke4qqq are sending those reports upstream | 15:20 |
| abadger1999 | <nod> | 15:20 |
| Sparks | stickster: scribite! provides the hooks for integrating various text editors | 15:21 |
| * stickster runs afk for 90 sec, brb | 15:21 | |
| poelcat | okay, so we have 2 bugs, stickster pushing news module, and phpSmug naming | 15:21 |
| poelcat | anything else? | 15:22 |
| poelcat | is closing all these bugs still necessary for "go live" ? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=504066&hide_resolved=1 | 15:22 |
| Sparks | I think so. | 15:23 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: Who is working all those bugs? | 15:23 |
| stickster | Sparks: Are you sure? | 15:23 |
| stickster | Aren't we able to add modules as we go? | 15:23 |
| ke4qqq | yeah we probably also need to rename phpFlickr and one other | 15:23 |
| poelcat | and we still think this is all doable in 28 days? | 15:23 |
| stickster | Or are some of these able to be added in after the fact? | 15:23 |
| Sparks | stickster: I THOUGHT that all the tickets that were blocking FE-ZIKULA were needed to stand up the CMS | 15:24 |
| stickster | abadger1999: To rename phpFlickr and phpLightweightPicasaAPI -- how? Obsoletes? | 15:24 |
| ke4qqq | Sparks: Lukas, you, me stickster, and ianweller | 15:24 |
| abadger1999 | Content and scribite are both reviewed and ready for everything except the licensing issues. | 15:24 |
| abadger1999 | stickster: Yep. let me find the page that explains it. | 15:24 |
| * stickster thinks catching this early was good. | 15:24 | |
| stickster | Not early enough, but technically those are my fault anyway. | 15:24 |
| ke4qqq | and mine | 15:25 |
| stickster | Sparks: What is your definition of "stand up"? | 15:25 |
| Sparks | To get a functioning CMS solution for docs.fp.o | 15:25 |
| stickster | OK | 15:25 |
| Sparks | up and running | 15:25 |
| Sparks | I know that there will be other uses for Zikula that we can provide for later. | 15:25 |
| abadger1999 | stickster: This got kicked up to FESCo who said renames require a re-review. | 15:25 |
| stickster | Sparks: So what you are saying is that it's not worthwhile to put up a partially completed instance that people can log into. | 15:25 |
| abadger1999 | stickster: So the proceedure is basically this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/RenamingPackages | 15:26 |
| stickster | abadger1999: I can get the re-review from David I think -- correct, ke4qqq? | 15:26 |
| stickster | Thanks abadger1999 | 15:26 |
| ke4qqq | yep | 15:26 |
| Sparks | Well... I can log in but I can't do anything... I hate that | 15:26 |
| abadger1999 | stickster: with the change of "new review" instead of comments on fedora-devel list. | 15:26 |
| abadger1999 | yep. | 15:26 |
| poelcat | what is the bug # for the package that needs to be renamed? | 15:26 |
| stickster | abadger1999: So no list post required, just re-review and follow the rest of the procedures, incl. EOL for old package. | 15:27 |
| abadger1999 | stickster: right. | 15:27 |
| stickster | poelcat: I think the bug for the original pkg is closed, and a new bug may not exist yet | 15:27 |
| * stickster still waiting for closure on what "next actions" exist other than his own ;-) | 15:28 | |
| poelcat | who is creating the new bug? | 15:28 |
| stickster | poelcat: I think you can add #action stickster: complete renaming of phpFlickr and phpLightweightPicasaAPI | 15:29 |
| Sparks | #ACTION Sparks to review license problems in scribite! to determine if he can just remove the "broken" pieces. | 15:29 |
| abadger1999 | The current package owner should start the rename-review. | 15:29 |
| stickster | and #action ke4qqq: review stickster's renamed packages | 15:29 |
| ke4qqq | so I'll restart phpFlickr (think I own that) | 15:29 |
| stickster | poelcat: The package renaming process requires that I file those bugs | 15:29 |
| ke4qqq | and think the other two are sticksters | 15:29 |
| poelcat | abadger1999: does the current owner know the urgency of the rename? | 15:29 |
| ke4qqq | the current owners are here poelcat | 15:30 |
| stickster | ke4qqq: OK, phpSmug and phpLightweightPicasaAPI are mine | 15:30 |
| abadger1999 | Are the current owners all here? | 15:30 |
| stickster | yup | 15:30 |
| stickster | <-- | 15:30 |
| abadger1999 | Then I think we're covered. | 15:30 |
| stickster | This can be done fairly quickly. | 15:30 |
| poelcat | okay | 15:30 |
| * stickster notes we're halfway through meeting at this point. | 15:30 | |
| abadger1999 | Also note that FPC does allow grandfathering in this case. | 15:30 |
| poelcat | anything else on packaging? | 15:30 |
| abadger1999 | But if nothings been built it's best to rename. | 15:30 |
| stickster | abadger1999: phpSmug hasn't been built yet, the others have. | 15:31 |
| abadger1999 | Up to you then. | 15:31 |
| ke4qqq | abadger1999: is grandfathering easier/less work | 15:31 |
| ke4qqq | is there a page on that? | 15:31 |
| stickster | Let's continue this discussion after the meeting. | 15:31 |
| ke4qqq | ok | 15:32 |
| poelcat | last week we said that we were "Targeting 2009-07-23 for finishing packaging" | 15:32 |
| abadger1999 | ke4qqq: grandfathering would just mean, leave the package names as is -- no further work needed. | 15:32 |
| poelcat | does this date need to be adjusted? | 15:32 |
| stickster | poelcat: I think so, given that we are waiting for Zikula upstream to respond on some issues | 15:32 |
| ke4qqq | I see no choice | 15:32 |
| stickster | Sparks: ke4qqq: Which of you is responsible for getting answers from Zikula upstream? | 15:32 |
| * Sparks points at ke4qqq | 15:33 | |
| ke4qqq | we've both been communicating, both on the lists, both taking the thrown vegetables when we complain about licensing | 15:33 |
| ke4qqq | :) | 15:33 |
| ke4qqq | but I'll say I am responsible | 15:33 |
| Sparks | rotten vegetables at that | 15:33 |
| * stickster was under the impression they were happy we were giving them a free licensing review | 15:34 | |
| Sparks | They == "Management" yes | 15:34 |
| ke4qqq | they are | 15:34 |
| stickster | Can we set a date for packaging completion? | 15:34 |
| Sparks | They == "Worker bees" Sometimes | 15:34 |
| poelcat | so what should our new target package review date be and will this impact the "go live" date? | 15:34 |
| ke4qqq | but they are also groaning at the amount of work | 15:34 |
| stickster | ke4qqq: Are we capable of proceeding in the absence of a timely response? | 15:34 |
| poelcat | s/package review/packaging | 15:34 |
| ke4qqq | stickster: in most cases I think so - | 15:34 |
| ke4qqq | I think for instance, scribite, we can just purge that stuff that is offensive | 15:35 |
| stickster | And the module will still function? | 15:35 |
| ke4qqq | I can't swear to it as I haven't tried it, but think it just eliminates some skins | 15:35 |
| * Sparks can churn that out today | 15:35 | |
| ke4qqq | I believe yes | 15:35 |
| ke4qqq | and I think that's perhaps what we should do | 15:35 |
| ke4qqq | and submit that back upstream | 15:35 |
| stickster | Then let's call it here, and do it, or not. | 15:36 |
| ke4qqq | lets do it provided it doesn't break the module | 15:36 |
| stickster | What do we do in cases where we can't purge out bits with licensing problems? | 15:36 |
| ke4qqq | offer help upstream I suppose | 15:36 |
| abadger1999 | the -Content module has CC licensed javascript... that might actually break the modue. | 15:37 |
| ke4qqq | we could also contact some of the authors of stuff - just as the above js and see if they will add a license | 15:37 |
| ke4qqq | perhaps the @fp.o email address will garner some love | 15:37 |
| * stickster makes a note without trying to be snide | 15:38 | |
| stickster | We *could* do many things. What are we going to do? | 15:38 |
| poelcat | What should our new target package review date be and will this impact the "go live" date? | 15:38 |
| * poelcat notes it is okay to say "we don't know now" | 15:38 | |
| * stickster moves that we change the target package review date back by one week, and the go live date as well | 15:38 | |
| ke4qqq | I wil contact the upstream authors of the cc-licensed javascript by end of week and see if relicensing works. | 15:39 |
| poelcat | and "go live" date is at risk/unclear/not happening/<insert yours> | 15:39 |
| ke4qqq | #action ke4qqq will contact upstream authoers of cc-licensed js by eow and see if relicensing can happen. | 15:39 |
| stickster | ke4qqq: awesome! | 15:39 |
| ke4qqq | +1 for a one week slip | 15:40 |
| poelcat | does anyone else present believe a one week slip is the wrong thing to do? | 15:40 |
| Sparks | no... I just hate to do it. | 15:40 |
| ke4qqq | same here | 15:40 |
| poelcat | it is far better to slip now than hope/pray and miss it later | 15:41 |
| abadger1999 | poelcat: How is the go-live date in relation to the Fedora12 release? | 15:41 |
| abadger1999 | We still giving plenty of time to have it deployed/load tested in Infra before the release? | 15:42 |
| poelcat | abadger1999: we were targeting alpha http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-key-tasks.html | 15:42 |
| abadger1999 | poelcat: Okay, that should be fine. infra will have a one week freeze for alpha (barring slips) but alpha freeze is reasonably easy to get change requests through. | 15:43 |
| stickster | abadger1999: Including running a whole new application? | 15:43 |
| abadger1999 | stickster: We did it for transifex. | 15:43 |
| stickster | I suppose it's a + that someone from Infra is here, informed, and helping :-) | 15:43 |
| poelcat | #topic status of test instance | 15:44 |
| abadger1999 | We'll need to deploy in staging and maybe we'll end up just using staging temporarily/copying the database to production after alpha | 15:44 |
| poelcat | ke4qqq: were you tracking test instance? | 15:45 |
| poelcat | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Zikula_IRC_log_20090715#Test_Instance | 15:45 |
| ke4qqq | I am one of the people slotted to work on it | 15:46 |
| ke4qqq | though honestly I haven't recently | 15:46 |
| poelcat | ke4qqq: do we have any milestones we need to hit to know we are still on schedule w/ the test instance? | 15:46 |
| ke4qqq | so one of the blockers that I discussed in email at least that I perceive is that we need to template the conf files for puppet and create package lists, etc. | 15:47 |
| ke4qqq | that probably needs a date - | 15:47 |
| ke4qqq | at least the initial draft before it moves to staging, but abadger1999 can probably speak more intelligently to that | 15:48 |
| * poelcat wonders if a high level schedule has ever been drawn up for this project? | 15:48 | |
| ke4qqq | poelcat: we thought that was what you were doing :) | 15:48 |
| poelcat | aahh :) | 15:48 |
| Sparks | maybe a project plan | 15:48 |
| * stickster notes poelcat was delisted from the Mindreaders Club recently :-) | 15:48 | |
| abadger1999 | ke4qqq: Well... moving to staging is also when we create the puppet configs. | 15:48 |
| * poelcat understood it to be "very simple" :) | 15:48 | |
| poelcat | package stuff + go live ;-) | 15:48 |
| abadger1999 | ke4qqq: So you can do trial and error there. | 15:49 |
| ke4qqq | stickster: yeah, I find that we can't get the ESP kernel module accepted upstream. | 15:49 |
| stickster | I've done something that I hope will help (needs a couple tweaks and is missing a line or two): | 15:49 |
| stickster | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status | 15:49 |
| * stickster pushes that aside so as not to derail the discussion of a plan | 15:49 | |
| poelcat | ke4qqq: what dates should we set around the test instance? | 15:50 |
| stickster | Let's come back to that in #fedora-docs after the meeting | 15:50 |
| stickster | s/that/that wiki page/ | 15:50 |
| ke4qqq | poelcat: I honestly don't know | 15:50 |
| ke4qqq | abadger1999: ? | 15:50 |
| stickster | Will having a schedule help us complete this work more effectively? | 15:51 |
| abadger1999 | Infrastructure freezes for one week before the test releases so we can be sure we can deliver those. | 15:52 |
| ke4qqq | it provides incentives to meet objectives | 15:52 |
| Sparks | stickster: I think it will... everyone will know what needs to be done | 15:52 |
| abadger1999 | Two weeks before the final release. | 15:52 |
| abadger1999 | We can put through requests to break change freeze if it's worthwhile. | 15:52 |
| abadger1999 | mmcgrath: ping | 15:52 |
| stickster | ke4qqq: well the *schedule* doesn't, but I think I get what you're saying, embarrassment at not meeting it does! :-) | 15:52 |
| mmcgrath | abadger1999: pong | 15:52 |
| ke4qqq | stickster: yep | 15:53 |
| abadger1999 | Mike might also want to do some load testing to make sure adding zikula doesn't destabilise/slow down other things. | 15:53 |
| mmcgrath | load testing good. | 15:53 |
| abadger1999 | mmcgrath: Deploying zikula -- what kind of testing do we want to do/allocate time for? | 15:53 |
| mmcgrath | I'd say a good week to get it integrated on staging and tested. | 15:54 |
| smooge | Zikula? | 15:54 |
| mmcgrath | smooge: CMS | 15:54 |
| smooge | CMS got it | 15:54 |
| mmcgrath | how long till it's ready? | 15:54 |
| poelcat | #action poelcat to draft skeleton schedule + set followup meeting on FedoraTalk/Gobby to nail it down | 15:54 |
| * stickster notes he has a hard stop in 5 min | 15:55 | |
| * poelcat notes we've basically covered the agenda... any other topics for remaining 5 min? | 15:56 | |
| ke4qqq | mmcgrath: at least another week | 15:56 |
| ke4qqq | :) | 15:56 |
| mmcgrath | <nod> | 15:56 |
| abadger1999 | mmcgrath: poelcat is putting together a schedule. the optimistic date is around the alpha. | 15:56 |
| mmcgrath | <nod> | 15:57 |
| stickster | abadger1999: Meaning, you think we should move the go-live date? | 15:58 |
| * poelcat might not get to schedule until first part of next week | 15:58 | |
| poelcat | will try for earlier | 15:58 |
| abadger1999 | stickster: Let's thik about it next week. | 15:58 |
| stickster | abadger1999: OK | 15:59 |
| * Sparks notes we are almost out of time | 16:00 | |
| poelcat | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| poelcat | #endmeeting | 16:00 |