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| Sparks | #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings | 00:01 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 00:01:25 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 00:01 |
| Sparks | #topic Roll Call | 00:01 |
| * Sparks | 00:01 | |
| * ke4qqq | 00:01 | |
| * joat . | 00:01 | |
| * jjmcd . | 00:01 | |
| * joat thinks Spark's calendar is just as busted as his | 00:02 | |
| Sparks | Good group so far | 00:03 |
| Sparks | joat: My calendar is all messed up now that I'm doing an ST&E | 00:03 |
| * ke4qqq is in and out | 00:03 | |
| joat | Sparks: I'm still sans-calendar | 00:04 |
| joat | waiting for account | 00:04 |
| * radsy shuffles in | 00:04 | |
| * rudi is here | 00:04 | |
| Sparks | Okay, let's get started | 00:05 |
| Sparks | #topic Beta Release Announcement | 00:05 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Go ahead, I think you added this | 00:05 |
| jjmcd | Well, its no surprise, is it. We need to get working on the release announcement | 00:05 |
| jjmcd | Isn't the updated GA like a week away? Not sure the exact date | 00:06 |
| jjmcd | 20th? | 00:06 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: I honestly haven't had a chance to look at my calendar in days | 00:06 |
| jjmcd | hehe - yeah, I know what you mean | 00:07 |
| rudi | November 17, I thought? | 00:07 |
| jjmcd | SRI - i meant beta | 00:07 |
| jjmcd | Beta is almost upon us and we need to do the announcement. Not a really big deal, tho, not like GA | 00:08 |
| Sparks | Can we just take Alpha and just change it to Beta? | 00:08 |
| jjmcd | Pretty much | 00:08 |
| Sparks | volunteers? | 00:09 |
| jjmcd | I can do some with someone to bounce thoughts off | 00:09 |
| jjmcd | preferably someone who doesn't live upside-down | 00:09 |
| * Sparks is living upside-down in Virginia! | 00:10 | |
| jjmcd | All these upside down guys sleep when I'm awake! | 00:10 |
| jjmcd | I haven't seen Zach in a while, I'd twist his arm | 00:11 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Okay, maybe put something out on the list? | 00:11 |
| jjmcd | Yeah, maybe poke a few folks | 00:12 |
| Sparks | Okay... anything else on this topic? | 00:12 |
| Sparks | #topic f-r-n.rpm | 00:13 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Okay, what's up with this? | 00:13 |
| jjmcd | OK, mostly by way of a heads-up | 00:13 |
| jjmcd | Our schedule had us doing the beta rpm last tuesday | 00:13 |
| Sparks | and did "we"? | 00:14 |
| jjmcd | With the schedule slip, I translated that to yesterday to get the max transations | 00:14 |
| jjmcd | Turns out, it needed to be done about 4 weeks ago to make it into beta | 00:14 |
| Sparks | ?!? | 00:14 |
| jjmcd | Yeah, that's about what I said | 00:14 |
| Sparks | How did that all work? That doesn't make sense. | 00:15 |
| jjmcd | So, no f-r-n.rpm in beta | 00:15 |
| jjmcd | Not sure. A lot changed between the time the schedule came out and when we talked with john and l10n to set it up | 00:15 |
| ke4qqq | have we followed up with poelcat to make sure our schedule reflects proper date | 00:16 |
| jjmcd | but also, we weren't paying close attention to the freezes | 00:16 |
| ke4qqq | for next release | 00:16 |
| jjmcd | Yes, that was an action item from the meeting, plus, I've been talking with Jesse to better understand the whole process | 00:16 |
| jjmcd | Which I've mostly been ignoring, sor of do whaterver the sked says | 00:16 |
| jjmcd | Bottom line, tho, I think is that we really need to own this. Having Jesse and Paul as owners makes us too disconnected | 00:17 |
| jjmcd | Thats what I have. Other questions? | 00:18 |
| ke4qqq | what do you mean by "having us own this" | 00:19 |
| jjmcd | Release notes are owned by paul and jesse, so we can't, for example, submit a koji | 00:19 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: I think you should be an owner | 00:19 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: In addition to others as well | 00:20 |
| ke4qqq | ahhh cvs perms | 00:20 |
| jjmcd | But first I need to better understand the whole process | 00:20 |
| jjmcd | I can make a RPM just fine, but I have little concept of what happens after that | 00:20 |
| jjmcd | In the past I've just handed it to Jesse and magic happens | 00:20 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: It isn't that difficult to get it through. Heck, I've even done it. | 00:21 |
| jjmcd | I'm sure it isn't | 00:21 |
| jjmcd | Just need the map | 00:21 |
| Sparks | heck, if you can do git, svn, and cvn, then you are golden! | 00:21 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: I think it's on the wiki... I'll see if I can find it for you | 00:21 |
| jjmcd | Seems like I found it, and I felt like it had some holes but that was a while ago | 00:22 |
| Sparks | Okay... | 00:22 |
| Sparks | anything else on this topic? | 00:23 |
| Sparks | #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) | 00:24 |
| Sparks | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status | 00:24 |
| Sparks | Any update on this? | 00:24 |
| Sparks | Anyone? | 00:25 |
| Sparks | Okay then... | 00:26 |
| Sparks | #topic Status on CC license rollout. | 00:26 |
| Sparks | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule | 00:27 |
| Sparks | I can't remember if I sent out the message to the list or not, now... | 00:27 |
| rudi | Will start rebuilding F11 and F12 guides RSN | 00:27 |
| Sparks | But for those that are onboard, can you modify your license pages using the new publican-fedora brand and redo your uploads to docs.fp.o? | 00:27 |
| Sparks | I'd like to have everything changed over by next Wednesday. | 00:28 |
| jjmcd | hehe - I didn't notice, but the RN's for L10N all say CC-BY-SA | 00:29 |
| Sparks | Cool! | 00:29 |
| Sparks | :) | 00:29 |
| jjmcd | Except for Chinese which hasn't run in a while | 00:29 |
| rudi | Sparks -- will do :) | 00:30 |
| Sparks | Ya | 00:30 |
| Sparks | rudi: Cool | 00:30 |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else on this? | 00:30 |
| jjmcd | Is the Pravne odrdbe supposed to be always english? | 00:31 |
| Sparks | is the who? | 00:31 |
| jjmcd | Legal Notice | 00:31 |
| jjmcd | It is in English for all langs, although it's title isn't | 00:32 |
| Sparks | Yes | 00:32 |
| Sparks | We aren't supposed to translate the legal notice as it might loose something in translation | 00:32 |
| jjmcd | Makes sense | 00:33 |
| rudi | jjmcd -- the title should be localised, the text should not | 00:33 |
| jjmcd | ANd that is the case | 00:33 |
| rudi | If you see a language where the title isn't localised, it's because the string "legal notice" is missing from the docbooks-locale file currently in Fedora | 00:34 |
| jjmcd | I see assamese isn't | 00:34 |
| rudi | There is currently no stylesheet for Assamese at all, even upstream | 00:34 |
| rudi | I'm working on that with the DocBook community | 00:35 |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else on this topic? | 00:36 |
| Sparks | #topic Shared open-source style guide | 00:36 |
| Sparks | #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-June/msg00163.html | 00:36 |
| Sparks | Does anyone have any updates on this? | 00:37 |
| * Sparks hears crickets chirping | 00:38 | |
| Sparks | Okay, moving on. | 00:38 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide needs? | 00:39 |
| Sparks | Any guides have any needs? | 00:39 |
| Sparks | #topic New Guides | 00:40 |
| Sparks | Any new guides on the horizon? | 00:40 |
| Sparks | #topic Other business | 00:41 |
| Sparks | Anyone have anything else? | 00:41 |
| Sparks | Anything at all? | 00:42 |
| rudi | me | 00:42 |
| rudi | Just an update that Publican 1.0 is very near now -- should be finished within days | 00:43 |
| rudi | But it won't be in Fedora any time soon | 00:43 |
| jjmcd | whew | 00:43 |
| Sparks | rudi: No? | 00:43 |
| rudi | Because we've been waiting weeks for dependencies get approved | 00:43 |
| rudi | At this rate, it actually looks like Publican 1.0 will be in *Debian* before it gets into Fedora... | 00:44 |
| Sparks | Ugh | 00:44 |
| rudi | (I'm not exaggerating...) | 00:44 |
| Sparks | Okay... Well, I don't know. | 00:46 |
| Sparks | Anyone have anything else? | 00:47 |
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| Sparks | Thanks everyone for coming! | 00:49 |
| Sparks | #endmeeting | 00:49 |