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| Sparks | #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings | 00:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Thu Nov 5 00:00:44 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 00:00 |
| Sparks | #topic Roll Call | 00:01 |
| * Sparks | 00:01 | |
| * jjmcd . | 00:01 | |
| * rudi is here | 00:01 | |
| jjmcd | Wow ... where are all the troublemakers and ne'er do wells? | 00:03 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: That's just what I was thinking | 00:03 |
| jjmcd | prolly missed the time change | 00:04 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Yeah, it's going to be a little annoying for a couple of weeks | 00:04 |
| Sparks | Okay, let's get started as we have a lot to cover... | 00:04 |
| Sparks | #topic Old Business | 00:04 |
| jjmcd | Well, MITN moved to 6 on account of conditions so no conflict there | 00:04 |
| Sparks | Sparks to follow up with quaid to check on courtesy note to previous contributors | 00:05 |
| Sparks | ^^^ done and I'll follow up on this during the CC discussion | 00:05 |
| Sparks | #topic Release Announcement | 00:05 |
| Sparks | To be ready no later than November 10. | 00:05 |
| Sparks | We need to get with Marketting on this and make sure that everyone is on the same page. | 00:06 |
| jjmcd | who is mktg contact? | 00:06 |
| Sparks | Can I get a volunteer to work with Marketting to make sure everything good? | 00:06 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: I think mchua_afk | 00:06 |
| Sparks | But I don't know | 00:06 |
| Sparks | Anyone? | 00:07 |
| * jjmcd is concerned about zero day RN issues overlapping with reporting time of month which is normally bad | 00:07 | |
| Sparks | Ya | 00:08 |
| Sparks | Okay, I'll put the word out on the list. | 00:08 |
| Sparks | #action Follow up with mktg on the Release Announcement. | 00:08 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide Status - Release Notes | 00:08 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: What's the latest? | 00:08 |
| jjmcd | Let me relate what went on | 00:09 |
| jjmcd | it was a disaster | 00:09 |
| jjmcd | Asyou know our schedule had us building the rpm a week after it was needed | 00:09 |
| jjmcd | When I first tried to build it, I had a terrible time with the omfs, not sure why | 00:09 |
| jjmcd | even now, there is a lot of weirdness about bits of the omfs being translated and others not | 00:10 |
| jjmcd | haven't yet sorted out what is causing that -- right now there appears to be no pattern | 00:10 |
| jjmcd | Once I got the omfs to work, yelp would crash 2-5 minutes after opening the rn's whether you were looking around or not | 00:10 |
| jjmcd | Eventually concluded yelp has some sort of size limitation, so I replaced the tables with a link to docs.fp.o | 00:11 |
| jjmcd | Also, stupid publican doesn't make the index for xml, just says "index belongs here" essentially | 00:11 |
| jjmcd | and at one point, all the xml's had a note saying they were empty. Don't know where that came from or why it went away | 00:12 |
| jjmcd | Anyway, eventually got the help to work, but when you go to about-fedora directly from the menu, as opposed to from help, it isn't formatted properly | 00:12 |
| jjmcd | Interestingly, the publican produced xml is kind of screwed up, but help seems to deal with it. Fixing the screw ups, tho, doesn't change anything | 00:13 |
| jjmcd | Anyway, as you know, we encountered pub 1.0 on koji, so we worked around it by runing publican outside of rpmbuild | 00:14 |
| jjmcd | We will need to do that for zero day, too. Really not much of a problem except when you discover it an hour before you need the rpm! | 00:14 |
| jjmcd | So, that;s where we are. Any questions? | 00:14 |
| Sparks | So many with so little time. | 00:14 |
| jjmcd | that was last night! | 00:15 |
| Sparks | But the package got built in koji and we lived happily ever after... until zero day... right? | 00:15 |
| jjmcd | right | 00:15 |
| jjmcd | Not everything we wanted | 00:15 |
| jjmcd | tables are linked to instead of there, a-f from menu screwy, and help titles partly translated | 00:16 |
| Sparks | Okay, but everything is on target for the release day, correct? | 00:16 |
| jjmcd | correct | 00:16 |
| Sparks | Okay... moving on! :) | 00:16 |
| jjmcd | We will fiz what we can on zero day | 00:16 |
| jjmcd | But we won't try the make inside rombuild until next rel | 00:16 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide Status - Installation Guide | 00:17 |
| Sparks | rudi: I guess you are up. Is the Installation Guide ready for prime time? | 00:17 |
| rudi | Good to go | 00:17 |
| Sparks | Excellent. | 00:18 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide Status - Installation Quick Start Guide | 00:18 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: And I'm guessing this is ready as well? | 00:18 |
| Sparks | rudi: And I'm guessing this is ready as well? | 00:18 |
| * jjmcd has no idea about iqsg | 00:18 | |
| rudi | Yep :) | 00:18 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide Status - Deployment Guide | 00:19 |
| Sparks | I don't think the lead is on tonight for the Deployment Guide. | 00:19 |
| Sparks | Is that up on docs.fp.o? | 00:19 |
| rudi | Yeah -- it's up there | 00:19 |
| Sparks | Yeah, just checked. In English... | 00:20 |
| jjmcd | rudi, were you going to have the redirect pages ready for release? | 00:20 |
| rudi | jjmcd -- yeah, I will | 00:20 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide Status - User Guide | 00:21 |
| rudi | I started that last week and ended up toasting my entire local copy of the site ;) | 00:21 |
| Sparks | rudi: Yikes! | 00:21 |
| jjmcd | don't you just love that | 00:21 |
| Sparks | danielsmw: You here tonight? | 00:21 |
| Sparks | Hmmm... Well I see it on the docs.fp.o for F12... | 00:22 |
| rudi | Yeah -- I got bit because I forgot that different docs have entirely different directory structures :) | 00:22 |
| Sparks | I'll take that as a good sign. | 00:22 |
| Sparks | rudi: We need to remedy that. | 00:22 |
| jjmcd | We need to be sure we don't do that on zikula | 00:22 |
| Sparks | yes | 00:22 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide Status - | 00:22 |
| jjmcd | Fixing it in cvs will be a major pita | 00:22 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide Status - SELinux User Guide | 00:23 |
| Sparks | radsy: What say you on your SELinux guide(s)? | 00:23 |
| rudi | jjmcd -- yeah; I am *not* going to volunteer for that job :) | 00:23 |
| radsy | Sparks, services guide didn't get an update for f12 | 00:23 |
| Sparks | radsy: Did it need an update? | 00:23 |
| radsy | no, it's all still accurate/recent | 00:24 |
| Sparks | I'm good with that. | 00:24 |
| Sparks | rudi: Can you make sure that the F12 docs include radsy's guides on SELinux? | 00:24 |
| radsy | i've been doing the wireless guide, and might be branching into desktop documentation, so i'm likely to be in and out a bit. | 00:24 |
| Sparks | radsy: No problem. Just let us know where we can help! | 00:24 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide Status - Security Guide | 00:25 |
| rudi | Sparks -- will do | 00:25 |
| Sparks | Very little changed from F11 to F12 in this guide. I have started working on improvements for F13, though. | 00:25 |
| Sparks | rudi: Thank you | 00:25 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide Status - Virtualization Guide | 00:25 |
| Sparks | Tsagadai: You here tonight? | 00:26 |
| Tsagadai | sure am | 00:26 |
| Sparks | Tsagadai: Got an update on your Virtualization Guide? | 00:26 |
| Tsagadai | I've been preoccupied with the RHEV release :) | 00:26 |
| Tsagadai | but, there are a lot of updates coming very shortly (hopefully this week) | 00:27 |
| Sparks | Tsagadai: But it's ready for F12, correct? | 00:27 |
| Tsagadai | ready in a sense | 00:27 |
| Sparks | Well okay then! :) | 00:27 |
| Sparks | Tsagadai: Thanks for the update. Let us know if any assistance is needed. | 00:28 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide Status - Fedora Live Images | 00:28 |
| Sparks | I see this is on the website... | 00:28 |
| Sparks | rudi: Is this yours? | 00:28 |
| rudi | Not officially, no | 00:29 |
| rudi | But since no-one else was tending it, I've been looking after it :) | 00:29 |
| Sparks | rudi: Are any of them officially yours? :) | 00:29 |
| rudi | lolz IG and IQSG :) | 00:29 |
| Sparks | rudi: Ya... Another one of those that is on my rescue list. Thanks for picking it up. | 00:29 |
| Sparks | rudi: So it's out there for F12 so that's good | 00:30 |
| rudi | And yes, it's ready to go :) | 00:30 |
| Sparks | Excellent! | 00:30 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide Status - Making Fedora Discs | 00:30 |
| Sparks | rudi: And this one is also ready to go! | 00:30 |
| rudi | Yeah | 00:30 |
| Sparks | Excellent. | 00:30 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide Status - Accessibility Guide | 00:30 |
| Sparks | And this is one that I picked up... | 00:31 |
| Sparks | It needs work. It was very well written years ago but some of the information is dated and there are new solutions available now. | 00:31 |
| Sparks | So I've been working on a reorganization with the help of rudi fact checking the existing information. | 00:31 |
| Sparks | I don't think it will be ready before F12 but it will be available somewhere between F12 and F13 for sure. | 00:32 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide Status - Overall Picture | 00:32 |
| Sparks | I just want to take a second and say thank you to everyone that contributed to the many guides we have. | 00:33 |
| Sparks | Without the Accessibility Guide, we will have nine guides going to "press" for F12! | 00:33 |
| Sparks | That is outstanding! | 00:33 |
| jjmcd | We should have a Docs press release alongside the F12 press release | 00:33 |
| Sparks | We should! | 00:34 |
| quaid | +1 | 00:34 |
| Sparks | I'll have to go back in my notes but I think we shipped maybe five guides last release. | 00:34 |
| jjmcd | hey! there is life in kalifornia | 00:34 |
| * quaid blames tardiness on daylight savings | 00:34 | |
| * ianweller is here | 00:34 | |
| Sparks | #topic New Guides | 00:34 |
| Sparks | radsy: You want to talk about your new projects? | 00:35 |
| rudi | radsy is AFK | 00:36 |
| Sparks | Okay | 00:36 |
| Sparks | Well, I'll let him tell the tale. | 00:36 |
| Sparks | Anything else guide-related? | 00:37 |
| Sparks | #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) | 00:38 |
| Sparks | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status | 00:38 |
| Sparks | I think danielsmw finished packaging one of the editors. | 00:39 |
| Sparks | Does anyone else have any other items on this? | 00:39 |
| Sparks | Okay, moving on! | 00:40 |
| Sparks | #topic Status on CC license rollout. | 00:40 |
| Sparks | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule | 00:40 |
| Sparks | So I think we are ready to officially announce the change to CC-BY-SA! | 00:41 |
| Sparks | ianweller: You gonna do the announcement? | 00:42 |
| ianweller | suuuuuuure | 00:42 |
| ianweller | Sparks: everything's done? | 00:43 |
| Sparks | ianweller: AFAIK | 00:43 |
| radsy | back | 00:43 |
| Sparks | quaid: Any other obsticles that you know of? | 00:43 |
| ianweller | front | 00:43 |
| quaid | nope | 00:43 |
| jjmcd | right | 00:43 |
| quaid | all clear! | 00:43 |
| Sparks | Guides have been regenerated... wiki has been changed | 00:44 |
| jjmcd | Guides now all in rpm as well? | 00:44 |
| Sparks | I think spot has given us the go ahead. | 00:44 |
| * quaid . o O { The final pieces of The Master Plan are coming together! } | 00:44 | |
| ianweller | i'll make the announcement after the meeting then | 00:44 |
| ianweller | lemee go double check where it is | 00:44 |
| quaid | oops, did I think that outloud? | 00:44 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: The only guides in RPM are f-r-n and the Security Guide and I did the Security Guide the other day | 00:44 |
| ianweller | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release ? | 00:44 |
| ianweller | anybody have any qualms about what we're sending out | 00:45 |
| Sparks | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release | 00:45 |
| jjmcd | oh my gosh! You're going to send out THAT? | 00:45 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Yeah, except we are going to put your name on it. | 00:46 |
| jjmcd | oh, ok | 00:46 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Do we (you) need to talk with the CC folks directly about this so they can do something if they wish? | 00:46 |
| ianweller | lovin the we (you) | 00:46 |
| ianweller | Sparks: i'll ping mlinksvayer | 00:47 |
| Sparks | ianweller: You are my resident CC guy | 00:47 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Cool | 00:47 |
| * Sparks is excited! | 00:47 | |
| ianweller | and he *just* quit IRC | 00:47 |
| ianweller | lulz | 00:47 |
| quaid | did that go through | 00:47 |
| quaid | the *new" press release mojo of f-marketing-l? | 00:47 |
| * quaid mixes his ASCII markup | 00:47 | |
| ianweller | quaid: yeah mchua_afk looked at it | 00:48 |
| Sparks | So I'll mark 8 complete | 00:48 |
| ianweller | snazzed it up | 00:48 |
| ianweller | oh | 00:49 |
| Sparks | So is everyone a go for the license change? Any issues we haven't thought of? | 00:49 |
| ianweller | also note that mlinksva offered to provide a quote for the press release (i just reread the email he sent me a few months back) | 00:50 |
| ianweller | if we wanna do that? | 00:50 |
| jjmcd | I only changed the omf's for those languages we are shipping | 00:50 |
| quaid | +1 | 00:50 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Sure if you want. | 00:50 |
| ianweller | we'll do that, and then push the PR through all the relevant tubez | 00:50 |
| jjmcd | There may be other omf footprints hidden in f-r-n, about-fedora and others | 00:50 |
| jjmcd | errr OPL footprints | 00:51 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Okay. I'm sure we'll need to shake out a few here and there. | 00:51 |
| jjmcd | yeah | 00:51 |
| jjmcd | I was surprised to find that there last night | 00:51 |
| quaid | yeah, it's not going to kill us | 00:52 |
| quaid | if we have to take some bug reports and fix some packages after release | 00:52 |
| quaid | the intention is clear and our there, that counts a lot | 00:52 |
| jjmcd | You only find it if you go rummaging around in /usr/share/gnome as far as I can tell | 00:52 |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else on this topic? | 00:53 |
| Sparks | #action ianweller to get a quote from mlinksva (CC) to include in the press release | 00:53 |
| Sparks | #action ianweller to ship the press release to all the necessary tubez | 00:54 |
| Sparks | ianweller: When do you think this will occur? | 00:54 |
| ianweller | "soon" | 00:54 |
| ianweller | announcement tonight, maybe a quote back from mlinksva by tomorrow | 00:54 |
| Sparks | Before the end of the year? | 00:54 |
| ianweller | who knows | 00:54 |
| ianweller | then i'll ask mel about pushing through tubez | 00:54 |
| Sparks | Okay. :) | 00:54 |
| Sparks | Does RH handle that? | 00:54 |
| ianweller | hehe hopefully before january ;) | 00:54 |
| ianweller | i dunno. | 00:54 |
| quaid | yeah, we can ask for an RHT hand-off | 00:55 |
| ianweller | i really have no clue, and i'm hoping mchua_afk does ;) | 00:55 |
| quaid | there is the business wire stuff | 00:55 |
| quaid | and the press.redhat.com | 00:55 |
| ianweller | and/or coordinate it | 00:55 |
| Sparks | cool. | 00:55 |
| quaid | yeah, she does; there is likely an SOP on it somewhere | 00:55 |
| Sparks | #action ianweller to coordinate with mchua_afk on the press release | 00:55 |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else? | 00:55 |
| Sparks | #topic New Guides | 00:56 |
| Sparks | Going back to this topic because I'm excited by some of radsy's work | 00:56 |
| Sparks | radsy: Tell us about your new projects | 00:57 |
| Sparks | please | 00:57 |
| radsy | ok | 00:57 |
| radsy | I've been silently working on a wireless guide: http://sradvan.fedorapeople.org/Wireless_Guide/en-US/html-single/ | 00:57 |
| radsy | mainly a high-level overview of 802.11 stuff, but other mobile tech (ev-do, hsdpa etc.) will end up in there | 00:57 |
| radsy | started as a side project really but has gained a bit of attention here, which could lead me to doing desktop/network docs, especially emerging desktop tech | 00:58 |
| radsy | but we're still in talks to find out priorities/agendas, etc. | 00:58 |
| radsy | that's all | 00:58 |
| Sparks | I've read the WG and it's cool. | 00:59 |
| Sparks | radsy: Is the guide hosted on fhosted.o? | 00:59 |
| radsy | Sparks, not as yet | 00:59 |
| Sparks | radsy: Okay. Do you need a BZ component for handling tickets? | 00:59 |
| radsy | once i'm a bit happier with it, yes I will | 01:00 |
| Sparks | radsy: Okay, just let me know and we'll get you setup. | 01:00 |
| radsy | no rush straight away however | 01:00 |
| radsy | ok | 01:00 |
| Sparks | Anyone have any questions? | 01:00 |
| Sparks | Okay, thanks radsy! | 01:01 |
| Sparks | #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets | 01:01 |
| Sparks | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora%20Documentation&bug_status=NEW | 01:01 |
| Sparks | There are currently 9 new bugs that have not been assigned. | 01:01 |
| Sparks | Please visit the link above and see if you can handle one (or more) of these tickets, please. | 01:02 |
| Sparks | #topic All other business | 01:02 |
| Sparks | Okay, does anyone have anything else? | 01:03 |
| Sparks | Anyone? | 01:03 |
| Sparks | Anything? | 01:03 |
| Sparks | Okay, then we'll go ahead and close down tonight. | 01:04 |
| Sparks | Thanks everyone for coming! | 01:04 |
| Sparks | Keep up the excellent work! | 01:04 |
| Sparks | #endmeeting | 01:05 |