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#!html <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> <title>Store SIG Meeting 2007-11-21</title> <link rel="stylesheet" href="irclog.css" /> <meta name="generator" content="irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas" /> <meta name="version" content="2.6 - 2007-10-30" /> </head> <body> <h1>Store SIG Meeting 2007-11-21</h1> <table class="irclog"> <tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">------ BEGIN FEDORA STORE SIG MEETING ------</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">let's do a quick roll call</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">who's around?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">MaxSpevack</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">MichaelBeckwith</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Karl_le_Rouge</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">HaikelGuemar</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> red_alert</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">SandroMathys</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> mizmo</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">MairinDuffy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><td class="other" colspan="2">... join!#fedora-mktg -> inode0(n=inode0@12-226-239-118.client.mchsi.com)</td><td><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyone else? MrTom, are you here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">as folks arrive, just say your name.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Me!!!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hi :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> blitzo5</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">JamesKrawczyk</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> inode0</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">JohnRose</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> MrTom</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">Thomas Canniot (not in the SIG however)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so last week was our first meeting, and before we check up on the stuff that we talked about, I want to remind people of our first goal/milestone</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">And that is to have as much of a prototype store ready by our December 5th meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which is now 2 weeks away. And I think we can do it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So we talked about a few things last week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Let's go ahead and review some of that stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: i saw the note that you send to fedora-websites-list about the store</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it looked like ricky was willing to help out a little bit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">let me clarify, at least in my mind, what I think the right way to do this is</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and then we can talk about it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">go ahead!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Karsten's response made a lot of sense to me -- I think that we need to try to make the store.fedoraproject.org front-end as lightweight as possible from our perspective.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:04"><td class="other" colspan="2">... join!#fedora-mktg -> pingou_work(n=pingou@fedora/pingou)</td><td><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">for example, we should try to not have to write any major database code, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we want to make use of already existing templates that have the fedora look and feel</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> mizmo</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">are there any preexisting turbogears apps that do store stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and basically set up the store so that it can be a wrapper around the various other vendors and providers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* iWolf is here</td><td><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">That's what I dont' get, how can we do that? Don't stores provide a means of creating a front-end?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> MrTom</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">it does, on spreadshirt.net, you can modify the .css files</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, so let's have the spreadshirt.net discussion then, since it is a related one.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> MrTom</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">however you don't have access to the html code and can't modify it, it's quite a pain</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tw2113: you were going to look more deeply at spreadshirt.net this past week.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">also, we have MrTom who is using spreadshirt.net for the Fedora France team</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> MrTom</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">maybe I could show you the fedora-fr store, quite ready to be opened on spreadshirt, so as to get an eye of what is doable</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">MrTom: can you post the link?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">well, i went more directly at REVELinux which uses spreadshirt as well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> MrTom</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">here it is : <a href="http://fedora-fr.spreadshirt.net/">http://fedora-fr.spreadshirt.net/</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tw2113: right, that's what i meant :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">here's a pastebin of the my initial e-mail and the first reply</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">MrTom: how well has spreadshirt.net served your needs?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"><a href="http://f3dora.org/paste/583">http://f3dora.org/paste/583</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> MrTom</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">the login (first line) is "staff"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i'll be sure to post the entire exchange so far on the marketing list later</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> MrTom</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">the password is "vivenous"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tw2113: the initial response seems pretty positive.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> MrTom</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">spevack yep I think so, however working on the css file is really a pain, and according to all the requested goodies made on the list, it would not be able to fullfill all of them</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">it definitely sounded like they were interested, and don't seem to want too much out of it for themselves</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">MrTom: well that list is very large :) we don't need to make them all!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">she had something come up so I don't think the lady is here right now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tw2113: that's ok.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> MrTom</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">I'll bring some scwag from our store to the fad so as to get an eye on the quality</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So here is what I am thinking, to try to tie these two conversations together.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">hmm, that pastebin cut off due to no wrapping</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(1) Any time that *someone else* either can do, or has already done, the web and infrastructure work for a store, and we don't have to do it ourselves, that is good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(2) If we need to make a portal-like page that ties together various other online stores that ACTUALLY sell stuff, then that is not a horrible thing. We can use the fedora templates that alread exist, etc. It's an interesting, but not impossible, coding project</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(3) We need to talk more to the REVELinux folks -- I'd probably like to be involved in that discussion</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(4) We need to dig into spreadshirt.net</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I have a suggestion, a crazy one!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: go for it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> MrTom</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">could everybody logg in the fedora-fr store ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> inode0</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">MrTom: I could</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> MrTom</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">great</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: what's your suggestion?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">MrTom: Yes.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> inode0</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">I wonder if there is any chance we could find one seller who would take shipments from our manufacturers and do all the selling for us?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Why don't we "hire" people from Fedora marketting to do that shipping, handling requests, etc... and not depend on any shops? They'll get a percentage of the income, that way, we just have to worry about the manufacturing, plus, they'll be motivated to "market" more...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: it is an interesting idea... to be blunt with you my fear is one of scalability and automation.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">scalability?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">in the past when we have had to handle things like shipping, order processing, etc ourselves just for ambassadors it very quickly became a big pain in the rear end. Which is what makes me think that using folks who already have this stuff automated is easiest.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">I think at this stage, wrapping existing stores with our templates would be a good starting point and reduce the work needed from us to get things off the ground.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> MrTom</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">that's why we chose a shop, as we don't have people to manage shipping etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: i think the place where the custom work that we have to do comes in will be in creating a single page -- store.fedoraproject.org -- that makes it really easy for Ambassadors to find bulk items, for users to find one-off stuff, and it is the job of store.fedoraproject.org to simply direct people in the right places.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">spevack: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so as we build out the AmbassadorVendors page that iWolf started, for example, we'll take that data to store.fedoraproject.org. I think mizmo's question about a turbogears plugin that already does this is a good one.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">spevack: if that is possible (wrapping existing stores with our templates), then it's ok...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">iWolf: did you send your page to the ambassadors list and ask people to add to it?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: have you ever worked on turbogears?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><td class="action" colspan="2">* kanarip is here now, had to respond to a disturbing message at the fab list</td><td><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">spevack: no, what's that? :D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">spevack: I am going to do that this weekend. I wanted to get the initial vendor listed and I needed to contact them to let them know I may be sending people their way.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">spevack: Probably more like tonight or Friday for the email to the list.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">iWolf: sure, no worries.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">TurboGears is a Python web application framework consisting of several underlying components such as MochiKit, SQLObject, CherryPy and Kid.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: turbogears is a simple web development framework that the fedora infrastructure team is using for a bunch of stuff.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">courtesy of wikipedia</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">spevack: The store I have listed there now has Fedora Logos on site and could generate orders for T-shirts pretty easily, with very little legwork from the ambassador placing the order.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Well, I don't want to hog the whole meeting -- it seems to me that there are a few clear next steps though.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(1) Have a more thorough conversation with REVELinux once tw2113 can set it up.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I'll read about it :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i'll put you in the to: field max</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(2) start a requirements/mockup page for what store.fedoraproject.org can look like and bring that to the websites list and ricky/infrastructure folks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(3) Log into the fedora-fr store and take a look around at how that works.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(4) Keep building up the Ambassador Vendors page, which I personally have some stuff to add to.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Am I missing anything?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">enjoy your turkey if you celebrate it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">spevack: what's the link to amabassador vendors page?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tw2113: i could have that conversation next monday or tuesday, but not until then ;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AmbassadorVendors">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AmbassadorVendors</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">well i'll hold off until then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tw2113: you don't have to wait for me. i trust you to ask the right questions. ;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but if they are US-based, we won't hear from them until Monday anyway i imagine</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i'm more worried about having the answers for their questions</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tw2113: ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i have nothing else</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so ljuwiadah, how do you want to proceed? Do you want to write down some of your ideas on a page in the SIGs/Store/ wiki space and build from there? Do you want me to try to make a mockup/description of what I envision?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: i don't want to waste your time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but i also don't want to turn the Fedora Store into an Engineering Project when it really ought to be more of a Find and Use Already Existing Resources Project</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but a little bit of engineering is definitely going to be needed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">why don't you write your ideas, and I'll see what I can do about them? :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: ok, that sounds fine.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Any other Store-related topics that people want to discuss today?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">plus, it's a wiki page, we can all edit it until we reach something that everybody likes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: indeed!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i'll ask the contact with REVELinux to possibly join the marketing mailing list, now that i think a bit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sounds good.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So I will update the Store SIG page with the current action items, post this IRC log, and send a quick note to marketing-list when I am done.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if there's nothing else, we can keep this meeting pretty short, and I can go start cooking my turkey :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> ricky</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">Rawr!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hi ricky </td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">ricky: You're here :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> ricky</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">Yeah- I guess I missed most of it already.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ricky, you been playing babaloo when you should have been here?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">spevack: I think your turkey is gonna have to wait a while ;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ricky: we were talking a little bit about what may or may not end up being on store.fedoraproject.org</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and I did a pretty bad job of explaining my vision</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but i shall try again.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> inode0</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">I'd like to find a way to include items not from these common places ... I'll just wander down that path</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">The initial idea is to use already-existing fedora website work to produce a pretty simple portal that can send people to the stuff they are looking for</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so for instance</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if an ambassador shows up who needs things in bulk</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">there will be a link for them that gives a list of vendors that Fedora has worked with, in various regions, that can produce stuff in bulk for events</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> ricky</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">Ah, so multiple providers that cover different locations?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if someone who is a basic user shows up looking for a tshirt or hat, we can send them off to a third party online distributor that produces that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ricky: exactly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we are investigating various online distributors</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that can produce our swag for us and handle all of the PHYSICAL transaction</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and there will probably be a few different ones</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">because of geographies, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> ricky</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">Ah, OK.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">And I envision store.fp.o as being a fedora-branded page that kind of collects all this stuff up and presents it nicely</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">one of the action items for the next week is to write out a wiki page that explains all of this, and could be used to create a mockup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i keep thinking floated divs with product picture, and brief description</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but from my perspective, the goal is to do this with the smallest amount of NEW CODE as possible.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> ricky</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">Agreed.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">tw2113: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tw2113: +1 also</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ricky: so as we get ourselves sorted out, we will probably ask you to be our consultant :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ricky: and it's your job to make sure that we don't make this harder than necessary!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> ricky</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">I wasn't quite clear about the "focus" - will this be seen as a fundraising source, for example?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ricky: two focuses</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> ricky</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">Obviously, event stuff would just cover costs, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Yeah, where will the money go?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the first is to provide ambassadors with a way to get lots of stuff in bulk, at cheap prices</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but for the more general case, say someone buys a tshirt or something, if there is a little bit of profit, it goes into the Fedora Ambassadors/Marketing budget, as far as I am concerned</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we will be transparent about the money -- similar to the Accounting page we already have on the wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and if we make a few bucks, we re-invest that money directly into the Ambassadors and Marketing projects</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">more resources for events, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> ricky</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">Ah, great.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: does that sound good to you?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Yup :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cool.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so ricky, we'll follow up with you for sure, because at some point we're going to need some of your help/advice :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything else, folks?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, well if you are celebrating Thansgiving, have a good one. and if not, have a good weekend!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> mizmo</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">mm tofurky</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> ricky</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">Hehe.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" 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