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Attendees
People present (lines said):
- kparal (72)
- adamw (35)
- j_dulaney (23)
- tertl3 (7)
- fenris02 (5)
- Viking-Ice (5)
- zodbot (2)
- dafrito (1)
Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
F14 Alpha test milestones
- Owner - User:jlaska
- Summary
- F14 Alpha Test Compose is near.
AutoQA update
- Owner - User:wwoods
- Summary
- vaschenb's helloworld patch committed, it cause some regressions that are being fixed
- kparal posted patchset to 'control.autoqa' branch enabling multihook tests, new test scheduling and autotest labels support (i.e. "all inclusive")
- Next steps...
- Merge the patches into master after wwoods reviews them
Open discussion - <Your topic here>
Test Days
- Owner - User:adamw
- Summary
- Adamw notes that we're looking very light on test days for this cycle, so if anyone has any ideas, please pitch in.
Polish release criteria
- Owner - User:adamw
- Summary
- adamw and jlaska will propose one or two criteria about artwork stuff to add to the final release
School class testing
- Owner - User:j_dulaney
- Summary
- instructer at CCC said that he would get his OS class to do some testing for us
- Next steps
- the class could try proventesters tasks
Upcoming QA events
- 2010-07-29 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose'
- 2010-07-30 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #3
Action items
IRC Transcript
| kparal | #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting | 15:02 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Jul 26 15:02:10 2010 UTC. The chair is kparal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:02 |
| kparal | #topic Gathering interested mass | 15:02 |
| * j_dulaney is here | 15:02 | |
| kparal | let's see if there's anyone interested in the meeting today | 15:02 |
| kparal | several people are not able to attend | 15:02 |
| * dafrito is here | 15:02 | |
| * tertl3 arrives | 15:02 | |
| * Viking-Ice half in half out.. | 15:03 | |
| adamw | morning | 15:03 |
| * kparal tips hat to everyone | 15:03 | |
| * fenris02 waves | 15:03 | |
| kparal | wwoods may be lurking? | 15:03 |
| adamw | he does that | 15:03 |
| j_dulaney | lurking, or lairing? | 15:04 |
| kparal | hah, I would really like to know what it means in english, but literal translation to czech is really funny | 15:04 |
| kparal | alright, seems we all now | 15:05 |
| adamw | go with that then =) | 15:05 |
| kparal | jlaska is not available today, so I'll try to (hardly) replace him | 15:06 |
| kparal | jskladan is also out, so is vaschenb | 15:06 |
| kparal | #topic Previous meeting followup | 15:06 |
| kparal | do we have any issues to check from the last time? | 15:06 |
| * kparal searching | 15:07 | |
| adamw | we usually do | 15:07 |
| j_dulaney | The proventester followup thingy? | 15:07 |
| adamw | last time: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20100719 | 15:07 |
| j_dulaney | Can't remember who was supposed to do that, or even if it was supposed to be done. | 15:07 |
| adamw | only one action item: | 15:07 |
| adamw | "maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request checkin" | 15:07 |
| j_dulaney | That's what it was | 15:08 |
| adamw | looks like he's awol today =) | 15:08 |
| kparal | eheh | 15:08 |
| kparal | alright, we will skip that point | 15:08 |
| kparal | so let's go to the new topics | 15:08 |
| kparal | jlaska proposed: | 15:08 |
| kparal | #topic F14 Alpha test milestones | 15:09 |
| kparal | #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-quality-tasks.html | 15:09 |
| kparal | the important items: | 15:09 |
| kparal | > Thu 29-Jul Wed 04-Aug Test Alpha 'Test Compose'Fri 30-Jul Fri 30-Jul Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #3 | 15:09 |
| * kparal tries again | 15:09 | |
| kparal | Thu 29-Jul Wed 04-Aug Test Alpha 'Test Compose' | 15:09 |
| kparal | Fri 30-Jul Fri 30-Jul Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #3 | 15:09 |
| kparal | so it should be only three days and we can have our hands on first official F14 bit | 15:10 |
| adamw | yup | 15:10 |
| j_dulaney | Nice | 15:10 |
| adamw | systemd went default in rawhide yesterday, so that should be in | 15:10 |
| kparal | adamw: anything you want to add to this topic? it's your floor more than mine :) | 15:10 |
| j_dulaney | Nice | 15:10 |
| kparal | alright, it will be quick today :) | 15:11 |
| adamw | Oxf13: if you're around, might it be a good idea to do a test-test-compose to see if you can build working images at all with systemd? just so you don't hit problems on wed/thur and get delayed | 15:11 |
| fenris02 | can you boot with selinux enabled now? (do you get a graphical greeter yet?) | 15:12 |
| adamw | theoretically i think both of those are meant to be fixed | 15:12 |
| adamw | i haven't actually tested yet since the switch was broken (lennart muffed the dependencies) | 15:12 |
| fenris02 | adamw, afaict, they are still broken. | 15:12 |
| adamw | fenris02: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=186032 is supposed to help the selinux stuff | 15:13 |
| Viking-Ice | There went few selinux patches from Dan into systemd 4 | 15:13 |
| adamw | anyhow, i'll try and test it later | 15:13 |
| kparal | alrighty, thanks. let's go into next topic | 15:14 |
| j_dulaney | I'll try to give it a manual test on some of my hardware | 15:14 |
| kparal | #topic AutoQA update | 15:14 |
| adamw | yup, we should try and test it out if we can. | 15:14 |
| kparal | seems that I'm the only one for AutoQA update today | 15:15 |
| kparal | well then | 15:15 |
| kparal | I committed vaschenb's 'helloworld' patch | 15:15 |
| kparal | and broken a lot of stuff :) | 15:15 |
| adamw | aha! progress! | 15:15 |
| kparal | so the fixes are continuously flowing and repairing and breaking new stuff | 15:16 |
| kparal | I also prepared a big 'control.autoqa' branch that contains patchset for 1. multihook tests, 2. better test scheduling, 3. autotest labels support | 15:17 |
| * j_dulaney is still trying to figure out AutoQA so he can help | 15:17 | |
| kparal | we are really waiting for wwoods' expertise to review this patch | 15:17 |
| adamw | but that's stuff that's vital for the package update test plan right? | 15:17 |
| kparal | but it should be merged to master hopefully soon and then we can do some really wild stuff, haha | 15:17 |
| kparal | adamw: yes | 15:18 |
| adamw | cool. | 15:18 |
| kparal | the AutoQA infrastructure now undergoes big rewrites, so maybe it will be better to wait a little while, j_dulaney | 15:18 |
| kparal | under to documentation is corrected and so on | 15:19 |
| kparal | s/under/untill | 15:19 |
| j_dulaney | kparal: I've noticed on the mailing list | 15:19 |
| kparal | I have heard that wwoods' hardware had mailfunctioned, so it may take a few days until he's up and running again and accepting patches | 15:20 |
| kparal | alright, that should be it | 15:20 |
| kparal | #topic Open Floor - your issue here | 15:20 |
| kparal | what do you want to discuss? | 15:20 |
| tertl3 | live lite music spin coming soon | 15:20 |
| adamw | (your_ad_here)! | 15:20 |
| tertl3 | ccrma kernel possible for music spin? | 15:21 |
| fenris02 | no point, and it would break a great many items | 15:21 |
| * kparal has no idea what ccrma kernel is | 15:21 | |
| adamw | um, let's see. no news on proven testers, really. we're looking very light on test days for this cycle, so if anyone has any ideas, please pitch in. | 15:21 |
| kparal | #info Please provide ideas for Test Days | 15:22 |
| j_dulaney | ie, things to test? | 15:22 |
| kparal | j_dulaney: basically a new or some old feature that needs to be tested | 15:22 |
| adamw | anything from an idea for a test day through to 'hey, i want to organize one' | 15:22 |
| tertl3 | can I ask a question? | 15:22 |
| kparal | tertl3: sure, go on | 15:22 |
| tertl3 | are the mesa-experimental going to going to still be 'experimental' in 14? | 15:23 |
| j_dulaney | kparal: roger | 15:23 |
| j_dulaney | adamw: How would I organize a test day? | 15:23 |
| adamw | j_dulaney: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Test_Day_management | 15:23 |
| adamw | (boy, i love having an easy answer for that :>) | 15:24 |
| kparal | j_dulaney: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days | 15:24 |
| kparal | adamw: do you know about mesa-experimental? | 15:24 |
| j_dulaney | adamw: kparal: thanks | 15:24 |
| adamw | tertl3: it depends. what happens is that the package exists if there are any drivers still considered 'experimental' by the mesa folks. if there aren't, it doesn't. the content changes - for e.g., the r500 driver used to be in there. | 15:24 |
| fenris02 | tertl3, look at rawhide? | 15:24 |
| tertl3 | adamw, fenris02 thnks :) | 15:25 |
| adamw | tertl3: nouveau may not be 'experimental' for f14 final, if we wind up shipping gnome-shell by default, as you'd want it installed by default. but that's just me speculating. ben skeggs (darktama) would know best. | 15:25 |
| kparal | alright, any other topic? | 15:25 |
| j_dulaney | adamw: I don't like the sound of that | 15:26 |
| j_dulaney | I've had trouble with nouveau | 15:26 |
| adamw | kparal: let's see, i had one thing...just a sec | 15:26 |
| adamw | kparal: oh yeah, 'polish' release criteria | 15:26 |
| adamw | but may be best to leave for next week since jlaska's interested in that | 15:27 |
| tertl3 | i hear nouveau has problems with blender | 15:27 |
| kparal | #topic Polish release criteria | 15:27 |
| kparal | ah | 15:27 |
| kparal | alright | 15:27 |
| adamw | we're both fairly sure we were going to add a release criterion or two for 'polish' issues | 15:27 |
| adamw | artwork stuff | 15:27 |
| j_dulaney | Also, something I've had trouble with in Rawhide | 15:27 |
| adamw | but we couldn't find any of the prior discussion of it, so we'll probably just start over, and we should propose one or two criteria to add to the final release. | 15:27 |
| Viking-Ice | adamw: Is not that usually something that the design team makes sure is a ok? | 15:28 |
| kparal | #info adamw and jlaska will propose one or two criteria about artwork stuff to add to the final release | 15:28 |
| adamw | Viking-Ice: sure, but that doesn't mean it doesn't go in the release criteria | 15:29 |
| kparal | Viking-Ice: software is also usually taken care of at devel team and still we have it in release criteria :) | 15:29 |
| adamw | kparal: exactly what I was gonna say :) | 15:29 |
| Viking-Ice | ok | 15:29 |
| kparal | #topic Open Floor | 15:29 |
| kparal | I noone else has some topic, I think we've broken record in the fastest QA meeting ever :) | 15:30 |
| j_dulaney | I have a little bit of a follow up | 15:30 |
| kparal | j_dulaney: go ahead | 15:30 |
| j_dulaney | Namely, the instructer at CCC said that he would get his OS class to do some testing for us | 15:30 |
| j_dulaney | That's it for now, fall semester's still a few weeks away | 15:31 |
| kparal | #topic School class testing | 15:31 |
| kparal | ah, no more details? | 15:31 |
| adamw | j_dulaney: cool, i'd been wondering about that. | 15:31 |
| kparal | we are surely looking forward for any support | 15:31 |
| j_dulaney | kparal: I believe that he's going to have everyone in the class sign up for proventesters, but I could be mistaken on that count. | 15:32 |
| kparal | I just wonder if we have enough simple tasks for 30 students :) | 15:32 |
| kparal | proventesters sounds like a good idea | 15:32 |
| Viking-Ice | If we dont we can always make up couple of things ;) | 15:32 |
| kparal | #info the class could try proventesters tasks | 15:32 |
| j_dulaney | kparal: probably more like six or seven, ten at the most | 15:32 |
| kparal | that's fine. I think it's even better than 30 | 15:33 |
| kparal | ok, thanks for info j_dulaney | 15:33 |
| j_dulaney | roger | 15:33 |
| kparal | #topic Open Floor | 15:33 |
| kparal | ok, thanks everyone for attending | 15:35 |
| kparal | have a great monday :) | 15:35 |
| kparal | #endmeeting | 15:35 |
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