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Board Meeting 03 Sep 2010
Roll Call
- Present: Chris Tyler, Jared Smith, Máirín Duffy, Jon Stanley, Matt Domsch, Colin Walters, Tom 'spot' Callaway, Stephen 'Smooge' Smoogen
- Regrets: Rex Dieter
- MIA: Chris Aillon
- Assigned meeting secretary: Máirín Duffy
Agenda
- Updates
- Top Tickets
- Other Board Business
Updates
- F14 progressing towards Beta
- Still lots of blockers on the blocker list, unfortunately
- systemd go/no-go decision at some point? (Yes, when is up to FESCo)
- Jared start convos about the feature process
- does there need to be something more formal than the wiki page
- want to ensure features will interact well with other features too
- FESCo with primary responsibility of figuring this out - want to have joint meeting with FESCo deciding on these things
- Please try to get people involved in Test Days
- Help get the word out on the systemd test day - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-09-09_Systemd
- Still lots of blockers on the blocker list, unfortunately
- New Meeting Time?
- Friday PM meetings are tough b/c easy to forget things over weekend
- only got 8 responses to whenisgood.net, 4 times everyone can make so far (All Eastern Time):
- Add here if you're OK with any - walters spot mizmo
- 2 pm on Monday - jsmith jstanley ctyler mdomsch
- 4 pm on Monday - jstanley jsmith
- 2 pm on Wednesday - Matt ctyler
- 4 pm on Wednesday - jstanley jsmith
- Monday general a good time for meetings - start week on the right foot, but also sometimes can get cancelled from holidays
- 1 hour long, but block of 1.5 hours just-in-case (follow-up convos, etc)
- So far favorite time seems to be 2 pm on Monday
- won't meet next Monday
- IRC meeting next week (10 Sep)
- pick up with Monday schedule on (13 Sep)
- #action jsmith to update meeting times on wiki page (wiki/Board, wiki/Board - past meetings info box)
- Is the Board working as it should?
- Email from Sankarshan http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2010-September/009193.html
- Matt:
- has not had as much time as he's wanted to devote to board stuffs
- some items should have fast turnaround times - e.g., fedoracommunity.org domains - but we're been lagging on these
- Jon:
- can we have a way to fast-track these small items? they only should take a day or two
- Jared:
- should just take care of it on the mailing list right?
- a lot of this stuff could be done on the list
- haven't seen as many posts from board members on the advisory-board list
- try to communicate more on the board list if you haven't been
- shouldn't have to wait for next phone meeting to take care of small things like trademark agreements & community domains
- Colin:
- review after commit? can they just put up a site and notify us, within a week after the site is up, they can get approval to continue?
- Jared:
- should definitely have website up & running before we do the approval
- maybe we assign a temp domain, temp39.fedoracommunity.org until we approve it formally
- no blanket approval on requested domain name only - need to see the site too
- Matt:
- How involved are we individually on messages on advisory board.... I read it a lot but don't necessarily post a whole lot; it's just how I tend to operate. For example, the last thread, I jumped in, but I don't want to go back and forth just for the sake of doing so
- Jared:
- important once in a while just to say hey we're listening & paying attention
- past members of board/fesco/community - a lot feel like they are ignored, nobody is giving them feedback that they've heard what was said
- don't have to agree all the time, but make it clear we're listening - maybe just not ready to jump in yet
- Jon:
- when I do post my posts tend to be dissected in the most negative way possible :(
- mizmo:
- Frustrated about talking about doing rather than doing
- Smooge:
- Things take longer when you're trying to build consensus
- Miscommunication easy over terminology eg.
- Take longer to communicate on a board to make sure everyone uses same words with same meanings since so much communication is 'overloaded'
- Jared:
- Not the only one frustrated
- As much communication as possible on mailing list before meeting
- Mizmo:
- idea for shared blog for board
- easier to moderate commentary
- one place to go to see what board's working on
- some concerns about board blog vs individual board member blogs
- Jared:
- #action mizmo & jstanley to talk to mmcgrath about setting it up on the existing fedora blogs system blogs.fedoraproject.org
- How do we hold each other accountable?
- if you say you are gonna do something....
- list of tickets... we haven't gotten so far on 'em
- we haven't gone through as often as we should to close them
- during meetings only have time for top 5-6 tickets, a lot more in there
- if you think i should be doing x on a ticket and aren't, feel free to call me on it
- Spot:
- anybody interested in triaging the trac queue? (someone who's been on board a while would be good for backhistory on issues)
- Ctyler:
- is there an RSS feed for open tickets in a trac?
- Mdomsch:
- after fedoracommunity.org domain requests, only about 12 tickets so not a huge task to triage
- Outstanding community domain requests
- Ticket 72: lu.fedoracommunity.org
- https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/72
- Belgium & Luxemborg
- Matt in favor of lu because Belgium folks hosting it
- Smooge, Jared, Matt, Jon in favor
- Chris T (re: Spot's comment)- isn't mockup part of the process?
- Matt: is lu.fco going to point to be.fco? That's what Matt thought - we can ask for clarification
- Jared: keyword in trac for community domain requests to make it easy to pull up a report?
- Matt: 'fedoracommunity' or 'fedoradomain'?
- Spot: 'community domain request"
- Matt: Here's the trac report for community domain requests: https://fedorahosted.org/board/report/1
- Jared: Everybody on the board is now a trac admin
- Ticket 73: arabic
- Language rather than geography. from our mailing list that would be fine
- https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/73
- we still need to see content for what they want to post
- Jon: I don't understand any language other than English... how will we know what it says?
- Jared: Google translate for an approximation
- Spot: I know some Arabic speakers who could review for us
- Chris T: I think we have a precedent for language sites: didn't we approve a Farsi site, for folks who speak Farsi from multiple countries?
- Spot: actually I think it was trademark approval for a site that wasn't fedoracommunity.org
- Jared: overall we don't care about language vs. geo as long as there isn't any conflicting namespace
- Ticket 74: dk for denmark? dk for language or country?
- https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/74
- Spot: if it's for a language should be full language name, country or region should be country code, standardize on that and deal with odd cases as we need to
- Jared: spanish.fedoracommunity.org & espanol.fedoracommunity.org? - Spot that's fine, just make it clear languages spelled out
- Ticket 75: China (zn, ch, tw)
- https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/75
- IIRC we'd said ch is okay, not the other two
- cn is the country code
- Spot: they should be getting cn....
- Jon: then give them cn
- Spot: do the other codes conflict?
- ch is switzerland - can't give them that
- cn is china - so that one is ok for the main website
- tw is taiwan - ask them not to use tw
- zn is not a country code (but we did grant an exception to the greece one as a bounce, Spot says this would be a similar exception - use it just as a redirect)
- Ticket 72: lu.fedoracommunity.org
Meta Meeting Discussion
- Colin: Not a lot of time left, let's prioritize on what we have left
- Spot/Jared: if we need to have more meetings to get it done rather than linger forever, we should do on a temp basis
- Chris T: add a Wed meeting for a week or two to deal with backlog?
- Agreed: Spot / Jon / Matt / Chris
- next meeting 08 Sept 2010 @ 4 pm phone meeting
- at that meeting we'll review if we need another extra credit meeting
- the week after a bunch of us will be in Zurich
Review of open tickets
- Ticket 78: Vision statement
- when will we be ready to vote on vision statement?
- mizmo - once we have a statement we agree on we should try to come up with 3-4 shorter term mini vision statements, focuses for the immediate future/etc., draw them out too because they may change the wordsmithing of the vision statement
- deadline: board meeting Monday 27 Sept, phone meeting - includes vision statement AND short term goals....
- homework - chime in on list
- when will we be ready to vote on vision statement?
- Ticket 79: Anthropology Report
- Ticket 81: start.fedoraproject.org
- #action Jared will be working with marketing team, mentioned to Robyn but not whole team yet so will follow back up on
- Ticket 82: Charter for Community Working Group
- #action Rex has ticket and posted an update to the list this morning
- Ticket 83: Revisit Updates Vision
- #action Rex to start conversation on his concern with the updates vision to get to a point it can be thumbs'ed up or thumbs-ed down
- Ticket 84: Annual User Survey
- Jon & Jared: think the answer is yes, but did we learn anything from the last one? (Anthropology report)
- Jared: dont think we've done any actionable items on it - if we're not taking action on data we do have why collect more?
- Spot: not a user survey, a contributor survey. Not folks who just consume. Request here is to ask folks who are not contributors too.
- Spot is okay with ticket #84 if Robyn is doing it, not biased, knows what she is doing and has a good approach proposed
Other Board Business
IRC Meetings?
- Matt: not getting stuff done, just answering questions.
- Mizmo: important but more like office hours
- Jared: homework for next Wed's meeting - less IRC meetings, have them at different times than phone meetings or board meetings? extra office hours? How should this be structured?
- Matt: no less than monthly on IRC -how has turnout been? Have always been able to use up the hour. Bi-weekly makes sense maybe.
- Smooge: people feel like there's a bunch of pent up 'are you really listening'
- Mizmo: suggested maybe having office hours bi-weekly, but not every board member has to go, maybe rotating duty for 4-5 board members a week.... then have regular board meetings weekly on phone?
Helpful things to do in the next week
- Look over blocker list and help out
- Help get the word out on the systemd test day on Sept. 9 (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-09-09_Systemd)
- Look at vision statement thus far on advisory-board list. Need a vision statement we can agree on and ~3ish short term goals for taking action towards that vision.
- Think about our meeting structure. Homework for next Wed's meeting - less IRC meetings, have them at different times than phone meetings or board meetings? extra office hours? How should this be structured?
Action Items
- #action jsmith to update meeting times on wiki page (wiki/Board, wiki/Board - past meetings info box)
- #action mizmo & jstanley to talk to mmcgrath about setting it up on the existing fedora blogs system blogs.fedoraproject.org
- #action mdomsch to ask luxemborg peeps if they intend to put lu.fedoracommunity.org as a redirect to be.fedoracommunity.org - https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/72
- #action Rex has ticket and posted an update to the private list this morning - community charter group
- #action Rex to start conversation on his concern with the updates vision to get to a point it can be thumbs'ed up or thumbs-ed down
- #action Jared will be working with marketing team on start.fedoraproject.org, mentioned to Robyn but not whole team yet so will follow back up on
Next meeting
- Next meeting: Wed 08 September 2010, phone meeting 4 pm, regrets CTyler
- Should we invite FESCo? FAMSCo? A particular SIG?
- Next meeting after that: Friday 10 September 2010, public IRC meeting #fedora-board-meeting
- Then 13 Sept 2010 Phone meeting
- Then 20 Sept 2010 IRC
- Then 27 Sept 2010 Phone deadline for vision muahahaha