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Previous meeting follow-up
- Viking-Ice - solicit feedback on test@lists.fedoraproject.org to see whether we need to require only bugzilla.redhat.com use during test days
- jlaska - review blocker bug meeting SOP and add include bug summary by way of #info for each bug
- robatino+jlaska - infrastructure hosting of delta ISO images
Upcoming QA events
Tuesday, March 08 - l10n Desktop Test Day
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-08_L10n_Desktop
Thursday, March 10 - Gnome3 Pre-Beta Test Day
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-10_GNOME3_Beta
Friday, March 11 - F15Beta bug review #1
http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html
Thursday, March 17 - Preupgrade Test Day
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-17_Preupgrade
Open discussion - <Your topic here>
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| jlaska | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting | 16:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Mar 7 16:00:03 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 16:00 |
| jlaska | #meetingname fedora-qa | 16:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 16:00 |
| jlaska | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
| vhumpa | Hia! | 16:00 |
| jlaska | Hi folks ... anyone lurking for the QA meeting today? | 16:00 |
| * brunowolff is here. | 16:00 | |
| * kparal again alive | 16:00 | |
| * vhumpa is here | 16:00 | |
| * jskladan_afk tips his hat | 16:00 | |
| jlaska | kparal lives! | 16:00 |
| * tflink is here | 16:00 | |
| jlaska | howdy brunowolff vhumpa jskladan tflink :) | 16:00 |
| * Viking-Ice here | 16:01 | |
| jlaska | hey hey Viking-Ice | 16:01 |
| * jlaska waits another minute before getting started | 16:01 | |
| adamw | yo | 16:02 |
| jlaska | a minute on the nose! | 16:02 |
| jlaska | adamw: greetings | 16:02 |
| * adamw should really set his alarm for 7:54 | 16:03 | |
| jlaska | alright, we have a light agenda today ... so let's dive in | 16:03 |
| jlaska | #info Proposed Agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-March/097566.html | 16:03 |
| jlaska | #topic Previous meeting follow-up | 16:03 |
| jlaska | #info Viking-Ice - solicit feedback on test@lists.fedoraproject.org to see whether we need to require only bugzilla.redhat.com use during test days | 16:03 |
| jlaska | Viking-Ice: any updates you want to highlight? | 16:04 |
| jlaska | okay ... I'll note if any updates come up | 16:05 |
| jlaska | otherwise, I propose moving this off the follow-up list ... I can certainly add it back when needed | 16:05 |
| Viking-Ice | still waiting for feed back on the bugzilla RFE I filed | 16:06 |
| jlaska | got a link? | 16:06 |
| Viking-Ice | maybe I should move that to upstream mozilla | 16:06 |
| jlaska | yes! | 16:06 |
| jlaska | I believe it's a sizable feature request | 16:06 |
| Viking-Ice | bug 679898 | 16:07 |
| Viking-Ice | if that gets implemented it would solve that problem along with others as well ( from maintainers perspective ) | 16:07 |
| jlaska | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=679898 | 16:07 |
| Viking-Ice | and we could always use our bugzilla instance to report against | 16:08 |
| jlaska | sure ... we'll monitor that request | 16:08 |
| Viking-Ice | I have been expecting anykind of feed back from the red hat bugzilla team on that RFE | 16:08 |
| jlaska | I'm not surprised our current bz maintainer has not responded yet | 16:09 |
| jlaska | he's new and coming up to speed with maint ... and this is definitely a big RFE :) | 16:09 |
| jlaska | Your instinct about moving upstream is appropriate | 16:10 |
| jlaska | okay ... we'll stay tuned for any updates | 16:10 |
| jlaska | #info jlaska - review blocker bug meeting SOP and add include bug summary by way of #info for each bug | 16:10 |
| Viking-Ice | Ok will do | 16:10 |
| jlaska | nothing earth shattering here, just a minor wiki update | 16:10 |
| jlaska | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting | 16:10 |
| jlaska | I'll try to follow this and use #info tags during this Fridays blocker meeting | 16:11 |
| jlaska | I'm lazy, and wish that meetbot/zodbot/*bot could automatically do this ... but haven't had time to look at the bot code | 16:11 |
| jlaska | so ... exercise for anyone who likes bots | 16:11 |
| jlaska | #info robatino+jlaska - infrastructure hosting of delta ISO images | 16:11 |
| jlaska | robatino and nb get the credit for this ... it seems the issue has been resolved | 16:12 |
| * kparal starts fireworks | 16:12 | |
| jlaska | iirc, robatino now has the space needed to publish the TC and RC delta ISOs for testers | 16:12 |
| robatino | hosted now at http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/deltaisos/ - comments for organization welcome | 16:12 |
| robatino | right now the top-level directory is newiso, the next level is oldiso | 16:12 |
| adamw | yayness | 16:13 |
| jlaska | #link http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/deltaisos/ | 16:13 |
| adamw | we should spread the word | 16:13 |
| jlaska | robatino: do you need any updates to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Delta_ISOs ? | 16:13 |
| Viking-Ice | what's the difference in Delto iso vs Regular iso ? | 16:13 |
| jlaska | Viking-Ice: analogous to delta-rpm and regular rpm | 16:13 |
| kparal | robatino: have you considered also posting torrents into that directory? is it possible to use fedora torrent tracker for that? | 16:13 |
| Viking-Ice | so we have a smaller iso size? | 16:14 |
| Viking-Ice | can fit more stuff ? | 16:14 |
| robatino | jlaska: i'll have to think about it if the server content isn't self-explanatory | 16:14 |
| jlaska | Viking-Ice: yeah ... so testers with limited bandwidth can participate in TC and RC testing | 16:14 |
| jlaska | robatino: okay | 16:14 |
| Viking-Ice | Ok | 16:14 |
| jlaska | Viking-Ice: no ... not so we can fit more stuff ... this is so you don't need to download the entire DVD after you already downloaded TC1 DVD.iso | 16:14 |
| jlaska | Viking-Ice: hopefully Delta_ISOs provides more detail | 16:15 |
| robatino | kparal: i really hated using torrents for this since it's partly for people with limited bandwidth | 16:15 |
| jlaska | adamw: "get the word out" ... what'd you have in mind? | 16:15 |
| adamw | blogs | 16:15 |
| adamw | nothing special | 16:15 |
| adamw | just mention it :) | 16:15 |
| jlaska | right on | 16:15 |
| robatino | i also have deltas for 12->13 and 13->14 which are about half full size | 16:15 |
| Viking-Ice | and announcement to the test list :) | 16:15 |
| adamw | and of course we'll need to update the pre-release announcements, but since robatino usually winds up doing those it shouldn't be a problem =) | 16:16 |
| adamw | Viking-Ice: i think it already was | 16:16 |
| jlaska | test-announce@ certainly a good idea | 16:16 |
| adamw | i remember reading a mail about it, anyway | 16:16 |
| jlaska | info is linked from the validation wiki pages iirc | 16:16 |
| adamw | oh no | 16:16 |
| kparal | robatino: well I noticed some people who got very low speed for fedora servers. but wouldn't mind using torrents | 16:16 |
| robatino | adamw: i only post deltaiso links on the test matrix pages anyway, and the announcements link to those | 16:16 |
| adamw | it was a private email | 16:16 |
| jlaska | certainly worth some visibility on fedora planet ... so feel free to mention it if you aggregate your blog there | 16:17 |
| jlaska | (myself included in that request) | 16:17 |
| jlaska | anything else from last week? | 16:17 |
| jlaska | if not ... moving on ... | 16:18 |
| jlaska | #topic Upcoming QA events | 16:18 |
| jlaska | #info Tuesday, March 08 - l10n Desktop Test Day | 16:18 |
| jlaska | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-08_L10n_Desktop | 16:18 |
| jlaska | the announcement just hit test-announce -- http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2011-March/000202.html | 16:18 |
| adamw | this is looking good except for the test case link | 16:19 |
| jlaska | unlike the previous two events that focused on the installer and the desktop environment ... this is intended to target desktop apps | 16:19 |
| jlaska | adamw: suggestions? | 16:19 |
| jlaska | heh, that is weird :) | 16:19 |
| jlaska | adamw: perhaps should link to a wiki page that uses the standard
DescriptionA brief description of the functionality being tested.
How to test
Expected Results
? |
16:20 |
| adamw | i'm not sure what it's meant to be doing :) | 16:20 |
| jlaska | Well ... let's start that discussion at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/158 | 16:21 |
| adamw | okay | 16:21 |
| jlaska | #info adamw noted that the test case link doesn't point to a valid test case template (e.g. QA:TestCase_foo_bar_baz) | 16:22 |
| jlaska | rhe: has been helping coordinate, so she may be able to run with any ideas/suggestions you have | 16:22 |
| jlaska | okay ... next up ... | 16:23 |
| jlaska | #info Thursday, March 10 - Gnome3 Pre-Beta Test Day | 16:23 |
| jlaska | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-10_GNOME3_Beta | 16:23 |
| jlaska | vhumpa and rlat have been investing some prep time in the second GNOME shell test day | 16:23 |
| jlaska | vhumpa: any updates, how are things looking for you? | 16:24 |
| adamw | nice job guys | 16:24 |
| vhumpa | adamw: I finished implementing your notes from Friday just a little while ago | 16:24 |
| * jlaska sees two shiny test matrices! | 16:24 | |
| vhumpa | Hope all is moreorless ready now | 16:24 |
| adamw | vhumpa: cool | 16:24 |
| vhumpa | If somebody have a BT phone, please try this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_gnome-bluetooth_send_file | 16:25 |
| adamw | we just need to look at live images, we can probably just link to nightlies this time | 16:25 |
| adamw | we only needed custom images last time because of the alpha freeze | 16:25 |
| vhumpa | adamw: I agree nighties should be fine | 16:25 |
| vhumpa | adamw: I am running the last one right now :) | 16:26 |
| adamw | anyone know when the alpha freeze ends, actually? | 16:26 |
| adamw | or did it already and i missed it? | 16:26 |
| jlaska | dgilmore would know | 16:26 |
| jlaska | I don't see it on the rel-eng schedule, or am missing it | 16:26 |
| brunowolff | For packages it is over. | 16:26 |
| adamw | okay. | 16:26 |
| jlaska | brunowolff: thx | 16:27 |
| jlaska | adamw: so that means tested updates should be landing in the nightlies? | 16:27 |
| brunowolff | Pretty much when Rc2 was certified at the go / no-go meeting. | 16:27 |
| adamw | jlaska: yeah, and it looks like they are. | 16:27 |
| jlaska | excellent | 16:27 |
| adamw | so we should be good. | 16:27 |
| jlaska | vhumpa: we have several folks who can host live images if for some reason we need them | 16:28 |
| vhumpa | Is the alpha freeze a reason why I was getting no new updates for F15 last couple of days? | 16:28 |
| brunowolff | There isn't really an updates repo. Just updates-testing and branched. | 16:29 |
| jlaska | vhumpa: I believe so ... during the "freeze", the base f15 repo wasn't changed except for approved blockers | 16:29 |
| adamw | yeah, though if you had updates-testing enabled, you'd get updates all the way through. | 16:29 |
| jlaska | vhumpa: rlat: adamw: nice work on the GNOME3 prep ... shout if any assistance is needed | 16:30 |
| jlaska | next up ... | 16:30 |
| vhumpa | Okay, just that I wasn't getting anything from updates-testing as well, but I gues the problem is elswhere then | 16:30 |
| jlaska | #info Friday, March 11 - F15Beta bug review #1 | 16:30 |
| jlaska | #link Per the schedule, we'll have our first beta blocker review this Froday - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html | 16:30 |
| jlaska | and for those who like links ... | 16:30 |
| jlaska | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting | 16:31 |
| jlaska | describes the format of the meeting | 16:31 |
| jlaska | I'll send out an announcement Wednesday | 16:31 |
| jlaska | last update ... | 16:31 |
| jlaska | #info Thursday, March 17 - Preupgrade Test Day | 16:31 |
| jlaska | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-17_Preupgrade | 16:31 |
| jlaska | Once again, Hurry is initiating this event | 16:31 |
| jlaska | we have a bug outstanding against preupgrade where it needs to accomodate the installer install.img change in F15. A patch is available, and we'll just need to get an updated preupgrade from hughsie that we can point testers to | 16:32 |
| jlaska | with that in hand, we should be able to make some good traction on preupgrade testing ... since it currently doesn't function against F15 | 16:32 |
| jlaska | alright ... if nothing else, I'll go to open-discussion | 16:32 |
| jlaska | #info Need updated preupgrade that works without 'images/install.img' to test with F13 and F14 | 16:33 |
| jlaska | #topic Open discussion - <Your topic here> | 16:33 |
| jlaska | okay folks ... those are all the topics I had | 16:33 |
| jlaska | anything else not already discussed? | 16:33 |
| vhumpa | jlaska: about the image hosting: do you think that will be needed for bandwidh reasons, if we decide to go with night build? | 16:34 |
| jlaska | vhumpa: to my knowledge, the size of the test day (or nightly) live image is acceptable for participants | 16:35 |
| jlaska | at least, I haven't seen a lot of complaints about downloading a single ISO for a test day (< 700 Mib) | 16:35 |
| vhumpa | I mean I was just wondering whether the normal server can handle the downloads by the testers | 16:36 |
| jlaska | vhumpa: oh oh, I see. I believe so, but if we encounter problems, let's raise that with the experts in #fedora-admin for assistance | 16:36 |
| vhumpa | jlaska: okay, perhaps we can quickly establish a mirror if that will happen | 16:37 |
| vhumpa | I'll try to be monitoring the sit | 16:37 |
| jlaska | vhumpa: okay | 16:37 |
| vhumpa | jlaska: Let's hope we need a mirror ;-) | 16:38 |
| adamw | i think they're ultimately pretty much the same thing (alt vs. fedorapeople) | 16:38 |
| vhumpa | Okay, this should be all from me | 16:39 |
| jlaska | adamw: I started documenting the installer related CommonBugs ... I should have the remaining installer issues knocked out shortly. If you have time, I could use help with the X/kernel issues | 16:39 |
| brunowolff | I did a download this morning from I2 and was getting around 10MB/s. So I think downloads should be reasonable | 16:39 |
| jlaska | vhumpa: agreed, hopefully we won't hit any download issues :) | 16:39 |
| brunowolff | with a dozen or so going on at once. | 16:39 |
| adamw | jlaska: yeah, i'll get on it | 16:40 |
| jlaska | adamw: your fingers are faster than mine, but I'm working my way down the list (starting with anaconda) so hopefully we can meet in the middle | 16:40 |
| adamw | sure | 16:40 |
| jlaska | brunowolff: that's not too bad at all | 16:40 |
| jlaska | any other topics to cover today? | 16:40 |
| jlaska | #info jlaska and adamw discussed documenting the outstanding bugs requesting CommonBugs documentation. The process is detailed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F15_bugs#My_bug_is_not_listed | 16:41 |
| jlaska | #info vhumpa asked about alt.fedoraproject.org download speeds for live images. brunowolff noted the speeds should be okay and jlaska reminded to raise any issues with #fedora-admin for guidance | 16:42 |
| jlaska | alright ... setting the fuse at 1 minute until #endmeeting | 16:42 |
| jlaska | btw ... we said it last week during the go/no_go ... but once again, THANK YOU to our testers for yet another Fedora milestone | 16:43 |
| jlaska | wiki results, bug reports and discussion on the mailing list all contribute to identifying potential blocker bugs and understanding whether we meet the release criteria | 16:43 |
| jlaska | so thank you to all who participated and help get it out the door | 16:43 |
| brunowolff | This one was a tough one too, with the mass rebuild happening so close to freeze. | 16:44 |
| jlaska | excactly | 16:44 |
| jlaska | exactly (even) | 16:44 |
| jlaska | so much change (rebuild, branch) | 16:44 |
| jlaska | okay gang ... I'm calling end of meeting | 16:44 |
| jlaska | thanks for your attendance and time | 16:44 |
| jlaska | I'll send minutes to the list | 16:44 |
| jlaska | As always, feel free to follow-up on the list with any topics you weren't able to raise during the meeting | 16:45 |
| jlaska | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
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