QA/Meetings/20111010

Attendees

• tflink (118)
• kparal (36)
• maxamillion (19)
• zodbot (6)
• robatino (4)
• athmane (4)
• nirik (3)
• jsmith (3)
• pschindl (3)
• jskladan (2)

Previous meeting follow-up

• python-yourls still hadn't been built yet
• release criterion change proposals still hadn't been sent out

Final TC/RC schedule

• Final TC schedule would be moved up one week, as was done successfully for Beta

Criteria revisions

• status of Xen in re the release criteria was still being kicked around

Upcoming QA events

• Eclipse test day looked ready to go
• Cloud SIG test day of 2011-10-20 looked underprepared
• Proven testers meeting was planned for 2011-10-12

AutoQA status

• autoqa-results ML was disabled due to excessive traffic slowing down the list server
• initscripts test has been removed from autoqa due to unresolved problems

Open discussion

• There was some questioning of whether the security spin would get any testing

Action Items

• tflink build python-yourls for F16, F15, EL6 so we can stop dicussing this
• adamw will draft release criteria change proposals and send out to test@
• tflink to move Xen release criterion discussion to devel@
• tflink to continue pestering Cloud SIG people about test cases and coordination

Irc Log

tflink	#startmeeting fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Oct 10 15:00:25 2011 UTC. The chair is tflink. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	15:00
tflink	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	15:00
tflink	#topic Roll Call	15:00
* kparal is here		15:00
tflink	alrighty, who's ready for some QA meeting?	15:00
tflink	kparal: welcome	15:00
* pschindl is her		15:01
* pschindl is here :D		15:01
pschindl	jskladan will come soon	15:02
tflink	pschindl: whether you're her or here, welcome :)	15:02
kparal	it seems it will be a very private meeting :)	15:04
tflink	well, the meeting notice wasn't sent out that long ago	15:05
* tflink will wait ~ 4 more minutes before starting since there aren't many here yet		15:06
* jsmith is lurking		15:07
tflink	alrighty, lets get going	15:09
tflink	#topic Previous Meeting Follow-Up	15:09
tflink	OK, I see two things from last week	15:10
tflink	#info python-yourls has still (STILL?!) not been built	15:10
kparal	where's the catch?	15:11
tflink	#action tflink build python-yourls for F16, F15, EL6 so we can stop dicussing this	15:11
tflink	kparal: no catch, really. I have everything committed and it keeps falling off my todo list	15:11
kparal	ok	15:11
kparal	happens to me all the time	15:11
tflink	I wish I had a rawhide machine to test on, though. time to try updating a F16 VM again	15:12
tflink	the other one is an item for adamw	15:12
tflink	which I'm pretty sure hasn't happened yet for similar reasons	15:12
tflink	#info release criteria proposals have not been sent out to test@	15:13
tflink	I know that if they aren't done by friday, we'll be drafting some up at the blocker review meeting on friday	15:13
tflink	since there are a couple of bugs that we feel should be blockers but don't have criteria	15:13
tflink	mostly i18n bugs	15:13
tflink	#action adamw will draft release criteria change proposals and send out to test@	15:14
tflink	ok, is there anything else that I'm missing?	15:14
kparal	nothing I can see	15:15
tflink	cool	15:15
tflink	#topic Final TC/RC Schedule	15:15
tflink	to be honest, I'm not 100% sure what adam had in mind for this, but I can go over what I do know	15:15
tflink	#info Final TC1 Scheduled for 2011-10-13	15:16
kparal	I read this:	15:16
kparal	Test 'Final' Test Compose (TC)Mon 2011-10-17	15:16
kparal	http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html	15:16
tflink	Since it seemed to go well for beta, we're going to push up the TC scedule by a week	15:16
kparal	great	15:16
tflink	s/scedule/schedule	15:16
tflink	it doesn't affect any other deadlines, just gives us the first compose to start testing a week earlier than we would otherwise have it	15:17
kparal	better for us	15:17
tflink	I think that we're expecting new builds for anaconda and lorax for final TC1 but I'm not 100% sure what else we're hoping for	15:18
tflink	IIRC, the deadline is tomorrow night (some US timezone)	15:18
tflink	for packages	15:18
* jskladan joins		15:19
tflink	jskladan: welcome!	15:19
jskladan	sorry for the delay	15:19
tflink	jskladan: no worries	15:20
tflink	That's about all I know about the TC/RC schedule	15:20
tflink	anyone have additional information?	15:20
* tflink assumes silence => no		15:21
kparal	correct	15:21
tflink	#topic Criteria Revisions	15:21
tflink	OK, I know that we have several proposed changes to the final release criteria that either have been or will be proposed in the next week	15:21
tflink	One of them that we've been kicking around for a while now is about Xen	15:22
tflink	#link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-September/103127.html	15:22
tflink	continued with	15:22
tflink	#link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-October/103242.html	15:22
tflink	are there any thoughts here about final Blocker/NTH for Xen issues?	15:23
kparal	the problem is... I have zero knowledge of Xen	15:23
tflink	kparal: for testing or commenting on the criteria?	15:23
kparal	both	15:23
kparal	so I can't really comment on that, if I don't know what DomU is :)	15:24
tflink	my thoughts on it are: it's hard to fix Xen DomU (guest) install issues after release	15:24
tflink	xen DomU => guest OS	15:25
kparal	btw why exactly are we again supporting Xen?	15:25
tflink	xen Dom0 => Virtualization Host	15:25
tflink	kparal: the required stuff for Dom0 was accepted upstream into the kernel	15:25
tflink	so custom kernels aren't required any more	15:25
kparal	ah, that's nice	15:26
kparal	ok	15:26
tflink	having choice is good, too :)	15:27
tflink	but I'm thinking that we don't quite have enough people here to vote on criteria changes	15:28
kparal	certainly not this one	15:28
jsmith	+1	15:28
tflink	jsmith: +1 to not voting or +1 to the criteria	15:28
* maxamillion is here ... late but here		15:29
tflink	I think that the last place we left the xen criteria modification was to take it to devel@ and see if we could get more input	15:29
tflink	the current thought being that if there were no big objections, we would make Xen DomU support NTH for F16 Final	15:30
tflink	maxamillion: welcome to the party!	15:30
kparal	it's kind of late for full-fledged blocker anyway, isn't it?	15:30
maxamillion	thanks :D	15:30
tflink	kparal: maybe but I don't think that there are any potential xen related blockers that aren't being worked on ATM	15:31
maxamillion	tflink: the only thing I think might be an issue there is users of services like Amazon EC2, Linode, Rackspace cloud, etc ... because I think they are all Xen based	15:31
tflink	I'm only aware of 1 real issue with guests and 1 or two with the hosts	15:31
tflink	maxamillion: true but we're still not sure if generic DomU support in fedora will help with the support of those services	15:31
maxamillion	tflink: ah, fair point ... they do generally roll their own images	15:32
tflink	#action tflink to move Xen release criterion discussion to devel@	15:32
tflink	we do need to be voting on these soon, though	15:32
tflink	as kparal said, it's starting to get a bit late to be accepting new release criteria	15:33
maxamillion	tflink: is the dom0 working? I know that's a feature page somewhere ... imo it would be odd to offer dom0 but not domU, but in similar respect I don't really have a dog in this fight so NTH is +1 on my end	15:33
tflink	maxamillion: there are a couple of bugs left but there are workarounds	15:33
maxamillion	tflink: rgr	15:33
tflink	and some fixes being worked out	15:34
maxamillion	+1 for Xen domU being NTH	15:34
tflink	same here, but I think that we still need more input before accepting it	15:34
maxamillion	fair	15:35
tflink	I know that there is at least 1 other release criteria modification coming	15:35
tflink	since there are a couple of bad i18n bugs still in F16	15:35
tflink	but I think that's about it for release criteria stuff	15:36
tflink	#topic Upcoming QA Events	15:36
* jsmith thinks we need more feedback as well		15:36
tflink	#info Fedora Packager for Eclipse Test Day - 2011-10-13	15:37
tflink	#link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-10-13_Fedora_Packager_for_Eclipse	15:37
tflink	This looks well prepared and ready to go	15:37
tflink	#info Cloud SIG Test Day - 2011-10-20	15:38
tflink	no link yet	15:38
tflink	#action tflink to continue pestering Cloud SIG people about test cases and coordination	15:39
tflink	unless someone else wants that  :)	15:39
tflink	I had already been talking to them about it, figured that I would continue	15:40
tflink	nirik: is a proventesters meeting planned for wednesday?	15:40
nirik	yep.	15:41
nirik	not sure how much progress we are making, but people seemed ok to meet again.	15:41
tflink	#info Proventesters Meeting - 2011-10-12	15:41
tflink	cool, thanks	15:41
tflink	kparal: feel like doing a quick AutoQA update?	15:41
kparal	is there some update?	15:42
maxamillion	nirik: any particular points in proventesters land you feel we need large strides of progress on?	15:42
tflink	kparal: not a whole lot to say, I suppose :)	15:42
tflink	we'll skip it for this week	15:42
kparal	I can say a few words	15:42
tflink	#topic AutoQA Status	15:43
tflink	#chair kparal	15:43
zodbot	Current chairs: kparal tflink	15:43
nirik	maxamillion: well, Ideally I would like to see more recruitment... if we had a slightly bigger pool we might be able to do better on critpath updates...	15:43
kparal	first of all, autoqa-results is dead at the moment	15:43
maxamillion	nirik: ah, yes ... agreed	15:43
kparal	it has been shut off because it generated a lot of email traffic	15:43
maxamillion	nirik: tough sell though :/	15:43
kparal	we will have to reduce the traffic in order to continue using that	15:43
tflink	#info autoqa-results@ has been disabled due to excess traffic slowing down the list server	15:43
maxamillion	which reminds me ... need to fire up some easy-karma once I get home	15:43
kparal	the second update is that initscripts test was removed from autoqa	15:44
kparal	more and more services are transitioned to systemd	15:44
tflink	#info the initscripts test has been removed from autoqa, will show up in next update	15:44
kparal	and there has been problems with initscripts we would have to solve if we wanted to continue running it	15:44
tflink	hrm, my #info was poorly worded	15:45
tflink	#undo	15:45
zodbot	Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x1a5ec92c>	15:45
kparal	:)	15:45
tflink	#info the initscripts test has been removed from autoqa, will be removed from production at the next AutoQA update	15:45
kparal	actually it is disabled already	15:45
kparal	for a week or two	15:45
tflink	oh, I didn't know that	15:45
tflink	third time's the charm ...	15:46
tflink	#undo	15:46
zodbot	Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0xccd3dec>	15:46
kparal	bcz of this ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/380	15:46
tflink	#info the initscripts test has been removed from autoqa source and disabled in production	15:46
kparal	*thumbs up*	15:46
kparal	that's all from autoqa	15:46
tflink	kparal: cool, thanks for the update	15:47
kparal	afaik	15:47
tflink	that makes two of us :)	15:47
tflink	#topic Open Discussion	15:47
tflink	OK, is there something that anyone wants to discuss?	15:47
* tflink wonders if he could make that question any less specific, will try harder for next time		15:48
robatino	is there going to be testing for the security spin?	15:49
tflink	not sure	15:49
robatino	i've been making the test pages and including them in announcements, no activity so far	15:49
tflink	athmane doesn't seem to be here ATM	15:49
maxamillion	robatino: I can do some testing, are you interested in hosting a test day for it or just curious if anyone was testing it currently?	15:50
maxamillion	or $other?	15:50
robatino	i was just wondering if i should continue making test pages and announcing it	15:50
maxamillion	ah ... can't really speak to that	15:51
* athmane is back		15:51
tflink	athmane: do you know if anyone is planning to work on the security spin test matrix?	15:51
tflink	robatino was wondering if he should continue to announce it and create the wiki pages	15:52
athmane	the isos were not available	15:52
tflink	oh	15:52
tflink	athmane: do you know if any particular bugs were a problem or is this an issue with getting it spun?	15:53
athmane	I think only 4 desktop spin are available in alpha/beta stages	15:54
tflink	good point, for some reason I thought that we spun everything for beta	15:54
tflink	so I think that the conclusion is: yes, there will be testing once an image is available to test	15:55
robatino	ok, so i'll continue as usual, the test page will need to be edited to include the download link when that's available	15:57
tflink	will the security spin be created with any of the final TC/RC?	15:57
* athmane can't recall		15:59
tflink	I guess we'll find out on thursday if all else fails	15:59
tflink	any other topics to cover?	16:00
* tflink sets fuse for 5 minutes		16:00
maxamillion	tflink: thanks for another great meeting! :D (sorry for my blatant lack of punctualtiy)	16:03
maxamillion	and my lack of ability to type ... >.>	16:03
tflink	maxamillion: np, thanks for coming	16:03
tflink	time is relative ... :-D	16:03
maxamillion	;)	16:03
tflink	alrighty, I'm changing my mind about the whole 5 minutes thing	16:03
tflink	Thanks for coming everyone!	16:04
kparal	thanks	16:04
maxamillion	thanks!	16:04
* tflink will send out minutes shortly		16:04
tflink	#endmeeting	16:04

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