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Attendees
- tflink (118)
- kparal (36)
- maxamillion (19)
- zodbot (6)
- robatino (4)
- athmane (4)
- nirik (3)
- jsmith (3)
- pschindl (3)
- jskladan (2)
Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
- python-yourls still hadn't been built yet
- release criterion change proposals still hadn't been sent out
Final TC/RC schedule
- Final TC schedule would be moved up one week, as was done successfully for Beta
Criteria revisions
- status of Xen in re the release criteria was still being kicked around
Upcoming QA events
- Eclipse test day looked ready to go
- Cloud SIG test day of 2011-10-20 looked underprepared
- Proven testers meeting was planned for 2011-10-12
AutoQA status
- autoqa-results ML was disabled due to excessive traffic slowing down the list server
- initscripts test has been removed from autoqa due to unresolved problems
Open discussion
- There was some questioning of whether the security spin would get any testing
Action Items
- tflink build python-yourls for F16, F15, EL6 so we can stop dicussing this
- adamw will draft release criteria change proposals and send out to test@
- tflink to move Xen release criterion discussion to devel@
- tflink to continue pestering Cloud SIG people about test cases and coordination
Irc Log
| tflink | #startmeeting fedora-qa | 15:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Oct 10 15:00:25 2011 UTC. The chair is tflink. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
| tflink | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:00 |
| tflink | #topic Roll Call | 15:00 |
| * kparal is here | 15:00 | |
| tflink | alrighty, who's ready for some QA meeting? | 15:00 |
| tflink | kparal: welcome | 15:00 |
| * pschindl is her | 15:01 | |
| * pschindl is here :D | 15:01 | |
| pschindl | jskladan will come soon | 15:02 |
| tflink | pschindl: whether you're her or here, welcome :) | 15:02 |
| kparal | it seems it will be a very private meeting :) | 15:04 |
| tflink | well, the meeting notice wasn't sent out that long ago | 15:05 |
| * tflink will wait ~ 4 more minutes before starting since there aren't many here yet | 15:06 | |
| * jsmith is lurking | 15:07 | |
| tflink | alrighty, lets get going | 15:09 |
| tflink | #topic Previous Meeting Follow-Up | 15:09 |
| tflink | OK, I see two things from last week | 15:10 |
| tflink | #info python-yourls has still (STILL?!) not been built | 15:10 |
| kparal | where's the catch? | 15:11 |
| tflink | #action tflink build python-yourls for F16, F15, EL6 so we can stop dicussing this | 15:11 |
| tflink | kparal: no catch, really. I have everything committed and it keeps falling off my todo list | 15:11 |
| kparal | ok | 15:11 |
| kparal | happens to me all the time | 15:11 |
| tflink | I wish I had a rawhide machine to test on, though. time to try updating a F16 VM again | 15:12 |
| tflink | the other one is an item for adamw | 15:12 |
| tflink | which I'm pretty sure hasn't happened yet for similar reasons | 15:12 |
| tflink | #info release criteria proposals have not been sent out to test@ | 15:13 |
| tflink | I know that if they aren't done by friday, we'll be drafting some up at the blocker review meeting on friday | 15:13 |
| tflink | since there are a couple of bugs that we feel should be blockers but don't have criteria | 15:13 |
| tflink | mostly i18n bugs | 15:13 |
| tflink | #action adamw will draft release criteria change proposals and send out to test@ | 15:14 |
| tflink | ok, is there anything else that I'm missing? | 15:14 |
| kparal | nothing I can see | 15:15 |
| tflink | cool | 15:15 |
| tflink | #topic Final TC/RC Schedule | 15:15 |
| tflink | to be honest, I'm not 100% sure what adam had in mind for this, but I can go over what I do know | 15:15 |
| tflink | #info Final TC1 Scheduled for 2011-10-13 | 15:16 |
| kparal | I read this: | 15:16 |
| kparal | Test 'Final' Test Compose (TC)Mon 2011-10-17 | 15:16 |
| kparal | http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html | 15:16 |
| tflink | Since it seemed to go well for beta, we're going to push up the TC scedule by a week | 15:16 |
| kparal | great | 15:16 |
| tflink | s/scedule/schedule | 15:16 |
| tflink | it doesn't affect any other deadlines, just gives us the first compose to start testing a week earlier than we would otherwise have it | 15:17 |
| kparal | better for us | 15:17 |
| tflink | I think that we're expecting new builds for anaconda and lorax for final TC1 but I'm not 100% sure what else we're hoping for | 15:18 |
| tflink | IIRC, the deadline is tomorrow night (some US timezone) | 15:18 |
| tflink | for packages | 15:18 |
| * jskladan joins | 15:19 | |
| tflink | jskladan: welcome! | 15:19 |
| jskladan | sorry for the delay | 15:19 |
| tflink | jskladan: no worries | 15:20 |
| tflink | That's about all I know about the TC/RC schedule | 15:20 |
| tflink | anyone have additional information? | 15:20 |
| * tflink assumes silence => no | 15:21 | |
| kparal | correct | 15:21 |
| tflink | #topic Criteria Revisions | 15:21 |
| tflink | OK, I know that we have several proposed changes to the final release criteria that either have been or will be proposed in the next week | 15:21 |
| tflink | One of them that we've been kicking around for a while now is about Xen | 15:22 |
| tflink | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-September/103127.html | 15:22 |
| tflink | continued with | 15:22 |
| tflink | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-October/103242.html | 15:22 |
| tflink | are there any thoughts here about final Blocker/NTH for Xen issues? | 15:23 |
| kparal | the problem is... I have zero knowledge of Xen | 15:23 |
| tflink | kparal: for testing or commenting on the criteria? | 15:23 |
| kparal | both | 15:23 |
| kparal | so I can't really comment on that, if I don't know what DomU is :) | 15:24 |
| tflink | my thoughts on it are: it's hard to fix Xen DomU (guest) install issues after release | 15:24 |
| tflink | xen DomU => guest OS | 15:25 |
| kparal | btw why exactly are we again supporting Xen? | 15:25 |
| tflink | xen Dom0 => Virtualization Host | 15:25 |
| tflink | kparal: the required stuff for Dom0 was accepted upstream into the kernel | 15:25 |
| tflink | so custom kernels aren't required any more | 15:25 |
| kparal | ah, that's nice | 15:26 |
| kparal | ok | 15:26 |
| tflink | having choice is good, too :) | 15:27 |
| tflink | but I'm thinking that we don't quite have enough people here to vote on criteria changes | 15:28 |
| kparal | certainly not this one | 15:28 |
| jsmith | +1 | 15:28 |
| tflink | jsmith: +1 to not voting or +1 to the criteria | 15:28 |
| * maxamillion is here ... late but here | 15:29 | |
| tflink | I think that the last place we left the xen criteria modification was to take it to devel@ and see if we could get more input | 15:29 |
| tflink | the current thought being that if there were no big objections, we would make Xen DomU support NTH for F16 Final | 15:30 |
| tflink | maxamillion: welcome to the party! | 15:30 |
| kparal | it's kind of late for full-fledged blocker anyway, isn't it? | 15:30 |
| maxamillion | thanks :D | 15:30 |
| tflink | kparal: maybe but I don't think that there are any potential xen related blockers that aren't being worked on ATM | 15:31 |
| maxamillion | tflink: the only thing I think might be an issue there is users of services like Amazon EC2, Linode, Rackspace cloud, etc ... because I think they are all Xen based | 15:31 |
| tflink | I'm only aware of 1 real issue with guests and 1 or two with the hosts | 15:31 |
| tflink | maxamillion: true but we're still not sure if generic DomU support in fedora will help with the support of those services | 15:31 |
| maxamillion | tflink: ah, fair point ... they do generally roll their own images | 15:32 |
| tflink | #action tflink to move Xen release criterion discussion to devel@ | 15:32 |
| tflink | we do need to be voting on these soon, though | 15:32 |
| tflink | as kparal said, it's starting to get a bit late to be accepting new release criteria | 15:33 |
| maxamillion | tflink: is the dom0 working? I know that's a feature page somewhere ... imo it would be odd to offer dom0 but not domU, but in similar respect I don't really have a dog in this fight so NTH is +1 on my end | 15:33 |
| tflink | maxamillion: there are a couple of bugs left but there are workarounds | 15:33 |
| maxamillion | tflink: rgr | 15:33 |
| tflink | and some fixes being worked out | 15:34 |
| maxamillion | +1 for Xen domU being NTH | 15:34 |
| tflink | same here, but I think that we still need more input before accepting it | 15:34 |
| maxamillion | fair | 15:35 |
| tflink | I know that there is at least 1 other release criteria modification coming | 15:35 |
| tflink | since there are a couple of bad i18n bugs still in F16 | 15:35 |
| tflink | but I think that's about it for release criteria stuff | 15:36 |
| tflink | #topic Upcoming QA Events | 15:36 |
| * jsmith thinks we need more feedback as well | 15:36 | |
| tflink | #info Fedora Packager for Eclipse Test Day - 2011-10-13 | 15:37 |
| tflink | #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-10-13_Fedora_Packager_for_Eclipse | 15:37 |
| tflink | This looks well prepared and ready to go | 15:37 |
| tflink | #info Cloud SIG Test Day - 2011-10-20 | 15:38 |
| tflink | no link yet | 15:38 |
| tflink | #action tflink to continue pestering Cloud SIG people about test cases and coordination | 15:39 |
| tflink | unless someone else wants that :) | 15:39 |
| tflink | I had already been talking to them about it, figured that I would continue | 15:40 |
| tflink | nirik: is a proventesters meeting planned for wednesday? | 15:40 |
| nirik | yep. | 15:41 |
| nirik | not sure how much progress we are making, but people seemed ok to meet again. | 15:41 |
| tflink | #info Proventesters Meeting - 2011-10-12 | 15:41 |
| tflink | cool, thanks | 15:41 |
| tflink | kparal: feel like doing a quick AutoQA update? | 15:41 |
| kparal | is there some update? | 15:42 |
| maxamillion | nirik: any particular points in proventesters land you feel we need large strides of progress on? | 15:42 |
| tflink | kparal: not a whole lot to say, I suppose :) | 15:42 |
| tflink | we'll skip it for this week | 15:42 |
| kparal | I can say a few words | 15:42 |
| tflink | #topic AutoQA Status | 15:43 |
| tflink | #chair kparal | 15:43 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: kparal tflink | 15:43 |
| nirik | maxamillion: well, Ideally I would like to see more recruitment... if we had a slightly bigger pool we might be able to do better on critpath updates... | 15:43 |
| kparal | first of all, autoqa-results is dead at the moment | 15:43 |
| maxamillion | nirik: ah, yes ... agreed | 15:43 |
| kparal | it has been shut off because it generated a lot of email traffic | 15:43 |
| maxamillion | nirik: tough sell though :/ | 15:43 |
| kparal | we will have to reduce the traffic in order to continue using that | 15:43 |
| tflink | #info autoqa-results@ has been disabled due to excess traffic slowing down the list server | 15:43 |
| maxamillion | which reminds me ... need to fire up some easy-karma once I get home | 15:43 |
| kparal | the second update is that initscripts test was removed from autoqa | 15:44 |
| kparal | more and more services are transitioned to systemd | 15:44 |
| tflink | #info the initscripts test has been removed from autoqa, will show up in next update | 15:44 |
| kparal | and there has been problems with initscripts we would have to solve if we wanted to continue running it | 15:44 |
| tflink | hrm, my #info was poorly worded | 15:45 |
| tflink | #undo | 15:45 |
| zodbot | Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x1a5ec92c> | 15:45 |
| kparal | :) | 15:45 |
| tflink | #info the initscripts test has been removed from autoqa, will be removed from production at the next AutoQA update | 15:45 |
| kparal | actually it is disabled already | 15:45 |
| kparal | for a week or two | 15:45 |
| tflink | oh, I didn't know that | 15:45 |
| tflink | third time's the charm ... | 15:46 |
| tflink | #undo | 15:46 |
| zodbot | Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0xccd3dec> | 15:46 |
| kparal | bcz of this ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/380 | 15:46 |
| tflink | #info the initscripts test has been removed from autoqa source and disabled in production | 15:46 |
| kparal | *thumbs up* | 15:46 |
| kparal | that's all from autoqa | 15:46 |
| tflink | kparal: cool, thanks for the update | 15:47 |
| kparal | afaik | 15:47 |
| tflink | that makes two of us :) | 15:47 |
| tflink | #topic Open Discussion | 15:47 |
| tflink | OK, is there something that anyone wants to discuss? | 15:47 |
| * tflink wonders if he could make that question any less specific, will try harder for next time | 15:48 | |
| robatino | is there going to be testing for the security spin? | 15:49 |
| tflink | not sure | 15:49 |
| robatino | i've been making the test pages and including them in announcements, no activity so far | 15:49 |
| tflink | athmane doesn't seem to be here ATM | 15:49 |
| maxamillion | robatino: I can do some testing, are you interested in hosting a test day for it or just curious if anyone was testing it currently? | 15:50 |
| maxamillion | or $other? | 15:50 |
| robatino | i was just wondering if i should continue making test pages and announcing it | 15:50 |
| maxamillion | ah ... can't really speak to that | 15:51 |
| * athmane is back | 15:51 | |
| tflink | athmane: do you know if anyone is planning to work on the security spin test matrix? | 15:51 |
| tflink | robatino was wondering if he should continue to announce it and create the wiki pages | 15:52 |
| athmane | the isos were not available | 15:52 |
| tflink | oh | 15:52 |
| tflink | athmane: do you know if any particular bugs were a problem or is this an issue with getting it spun? | 15:53 |
| athmane | I think only 4 desktop spin are available in alpha/beta stages | 15:54 |
| tflink | good point, for some reason I thought that we spun everything for beta | 15:54 |
| tflink | so I think that the conclusion is: yes, there will be testing once an image is available to test | 15:55 |
| robatino | ok, so i'll continue as usual, the test page will need to be edited to include the download link when that's available | 15:57 |
| tflink | will the security spin be created with any of the final TC/RC? | 15:57 |
| * athmane can't recall | 15:59 | |
| tflink | I guess we'll find out on thursday if all else fails | 15:59 |
| tflink | any other topics to cover? | 16:00 |
| * tflink sets fuse for 5 minutes | 16:00 | |
| maxamillion | tflink: thanks for another great meeting! :D (sorry for my blatant lack of punctualtiy) | 16:03 |
| maxamillion | and my lack of ability to type ... >.> | 16:03 |
| tflink | maxamillion: np, thanks for coming | 16:03 |
| tflink | time is relative ... :-D | 16:03 |
| maxamillion | ;) | 16:03 |
| tflink | alrighty, I'm changing my mind about the whole 5 minutes thing | 16:03 |
| tflink | Thanks for coming everyone! | 16:04 |
| kparal | thanks | 16:04 |
| maxamillion | thanks! | 16:04 |
| * tflink will send out minutes shortly | 16:04 | |
| tflink | #endmeeting | 16:04 |
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