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Attendees
- adamw (111)
- tflink_ (40)
- j_dulaney (39)
- kparal (34)
- tflink (9)
- zodbot (5)
- jsmith (4)
- nirik (2)
- brunowolff (2)
- robatino (2)
- pschindl (2)
- jskladan (1)
Agenda
F16 retrospective task update
- Two tickets are closed already and most of the others are being worked on actively
FUDCon Blacksburg notes
- tflink, adamwill, j_dulaney and red_alert will all be present
- j_dulaney is planning an autoqa hackfest on friday
- The anaconda ui test hackfest is planned for all day sunday
- We will try to meet up for lunch as a group on friday
AutoQA update
- kparal added caching proxy support inside AutoQA
- kparal fixed several issues with sending out opt-out and opt-in emails
- autoqa-results list is back, now with fewer messages!
- kparal proposed using an icon that rather resembles the version of Marvin from the recent H2G2 movie as AutoQA's icon, tflink and adamw raised legal concerns; kparal will check in with spot regarding this
Open floor: remote_install update
- tflink notes the remote_install project is working at demo quality behind the RH VPN at present
- public demo will be made available soon using a public cloud system, probably ohi
IRC Log
| tflink | #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting | 16:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Jan 9 16:00:45 2012 UTC. The chair is tflink. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 16:00 |
| tflink | #meetingname fedora-qa | 16:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 16:00 |
| tflink | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
| tflink | Who's ready for some meeting fun time? | 16:01 |
| tflink | #chair adamw | 16:01 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: adamw tflink | 16:01 |
| adamw | huh | 16:01 |
| adamw | darn xchat and suspend/resume. | 16:01 |
| * jsmith lurks (during another conference call) | 16:01 | |
| * kparal opts in for fun time | 16:01 | |
| adamw | i already started the meeting, in my own private bubble. :) | 16:01 |
| * jskladan is in | 16:01 | |
| tflink | adamw: a meeting of one! | 16:02 |
| * brunowolff is here | 16:03 | |
| adamw | tflink: keeps the riff-raff out! | 16:03 |
| tflink | adamw: and I opened the flood gates :) | 16:04 |
| adamw | alright, so - let's get going | 16:06 |
| adamw | #topic f16 retrospective task update | 16:06 |
| adamw | this is just my excuse to bug everyone about the stuff that came from the f16 retrospective, and remind us all it still needs doing :) | 16:06 |
| adamw | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations | 16:07 |
| adamw | I haven't updated the 'closed' statuses there, btw. | 16:07 |
| tflink | do you want to go through the individual tickets or just have us pipe up on status? | 16:08 |
| adamw | no need to review each one i don't think | 16:08 |
| adamw | just note that out of nine qa tickets, two are closed | 16:08 |
| adamw | most of the others look like they have some activity; #151 (pschindl) and #259 (twu) don't | 16:09 |
| tflink | I'm thinking that the Xen ticket can be closed, I should have looked at the first proposal more closely | 16:09 |
| adamw | anyone know where they're at? | 16:09 |
| adamw | tflink: that's fine, if the current test is complete and comprehensive | 16:09 |
| kparal | I pinged pschindl | 16:10 |
| adamw | jskladan: kparal: any idea of pschindl's status on his ticket? | 16:10 |
| adamw | ah, thanks | 16:10 |
| kparal | I don't | 16:10 |
| kparal | know | 16:10 |
| kparal | let's come back to it when he responds | 16:11 |
| adamw | yup | 16:12 |
| adamw | overall looks like we're doing okay on those tasks, so that's good. remember, we have until alpha starts up in earnest to get them done. | 16:12 |
| adamw | #info two tickets are closed already and most of the others are being worked on actively | 16:13 |
| adamw | #topic FUDCon Blacksburg notes | 16:13 |
| adamw | hey, jay | 16:13 |
| * j_dulaney appologizes for tardiness | 16:13 | |
| adamw | that's all good | 16:13 |
| adamw | we've just been over the retrospective tickets so far | 16:14 |
| adamw | anything you wanted to add on that topic? | 16:14 |
| j_dulaney | I'll check the logs and comment on the ML | 16:14 |
| adamw | okay | 16:15 |
| adamw | so, for fudcon: doesn't look like there are any big issues | 16:15 |
| j_dulaney | What's been said so far on FUDCon | 16:15 |
| adamw | nothing, i'd just set the topic when you waltzed in :) | 16:15 |
| adamw | good lord, the tflinks are spawning | 16:15 |
| adamw | i think he's got us surrounded | 16:15 |
| j_dulaney | LOL | 16:16 |
| tflink_ | woah, that's strange | 16:16 |
| * j_dulaney is reminded of the British being attacked by Zulu | 16:16 | |
| adamw | ah, a classic pincer movement | 16:17 |
| adamw | watch out for tflink__ on the right flank | 16:17 |
| j_dulaney | LOL | 16:17 |
| adamw | :) | 16:17 |
| adamw | so as i was saying... | 16:17 |
| adamw | looks like there's no problems with fudcon NA | 16:17 |
| adamw | for those playing along at home, it's happening this weekend in blacksburg, which is in virginia (at least i hope it is, or i'm going to the wrong darn airport) | 16:18 |
| jsmith | adamw: If only all of us could say that :-) | 16:18 |
| adamw | tflink and I will be on hand to ruin QA's reputation and create gigantic bar bills for jsmith | 16:18 |
| j_dulaney | LOL | 16:18 |
| adamw | red_alert will also be there | 16:19 |
| * j_dulaney is going to be there | 16:19 | |
| adamw | and j_dulaney...yep | 16:19 |
| j_dulaney | I'll try to run a bit of an AutoQA hackfest on Friday | 16:19 |
| adamw | awesome | 16:19 |
| adamw | i guess tflink may be able to help out there | 16:19 |
| * j_dulaney needs to get new headphones; these temp cheapos suck | 16:19 | |
| adamw | i thought sunday was for hackfests and such | 16:19 |
| adamw | ? | 16:19 |
| kparal | j_dulaney: what's the agenda of that hackfest? | 16:20 |
| j_dulaney | Friday, too | 16:20 |
| j_dulaney | kparal: Self testing | 16:20 |
| adamw | okay | 16:20 |
| * j_dulaney keeps meaning to blog about it | 16:20 | |
| adamw | yeah, blog is always a good idea | 16:20 |
| kparal | I'll be looking out for it | 16:20 |
| kparal | thanks | 16:20 |
| adamw | i also need to remember to blog about it :) | 16:20 |
| adamw | so aside from that, we have the anaconda ui testing hackfest planned for monday, red_alert is taking care of that | 16:21 |
| j_dulaney | Sunday | 16:21 |
| adamw | erf. yeah. | 16:21 |
| adamw | it would be a lonely hackfest on monday... | 16:21 |
| j_dulaney | Well, probably be some students there | 16:21 |
| adamw | and i think various of us have presentations to propose. | 16:21 |
| adamw | yeah, wondering where the Major Battles of the Zulu Wars class went wrong ;) | 16:22 |
| tflink_ | yeah, the barcamp proposal list looked a bit sparce last night | 16:22 |
| adamw | tflink_: usually a lot of people don't bother listing talks ahead of time. | 16:22 |
| adamw | or writing them ahead of time, in some cases (koff koff) :P | 16:22 |
| adamw | but looks like we more or less have our plans in order, so that's good. | 16:23 |
| adamw | i recommend making sure to eat with jsmith as much as possible so that red hat pays for your food. protip! | 16:23 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed, especially as broke as I am | 16:24 |
| adamw | awesome. so, any outstanding issues / questions on fudcon? | 16:24 |
| j_dulaney | Where/how/when should we meet up? | 16:25 |
| j_dulaney | QA party | 16:25 |
| j_dulaney | With hot dogs | 16:25 |
| jsmith | adamw: Thanks man :-) | 16:26 |
| adamw | j_dulaney: good question...maybe we should aim to do a group lunch on one of the days? | 16:26 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 16:26 |
| adamw | i'm going to try and get a t-mobile prepaid sim this time, so i should have phone comms | 16:27 |
| * j_dulaney admits that he doesn't know what y'all look like | 16:27 | |
| adamw | j_dulaney: tflink and I and red_alert all know each other | 16:27 |
| j_dulaney | So, find one, find all? | 16:27 |
| adamw | yeah | 16:27 |
| brunowolff | I am off to a work meeting. | 16:27 |
| adamw | and usually it's not THAT hard to find people at fudcon; it's not so big | 16:27 |
| adamw | alrighty bruno, cya later | 16:27 |
| nirik | (just hang out at the bar... people will come to you. ;) | 16:28 |
| adamw | pretty much everyone will be in one place during the initial keynote and meeting proposal period for e.g | 16:28 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 16:28 |
| adamw | we could aim to try and at least identify each other then, and then meet up again for lunch after the first session of talks, perhaps. | 16:28 |
| adamw | sound good? | 16:29 |
| tflink_ | sounds like a plan to me | 16:29 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 16:29 |
| * j_dulaney notes that it is likely he'll be the biggest there | 16:30 | |
| j_dulaney | With a beard | 16:30 |
| adamw | ah, that'll make you stand RIGHT out in a meeting of *nix geeks ;) | 16:30 |
| j_dulaney | LOL | 16:30 |
| adamw | alright, we'll go with that plan. i'm sure it'll work out somehow. | 16:31 |
| j_dulaney | Too bad there won't be any jlaska | 16:31 |
| * j_dulaney knows him | 16:31 | |
| adamw | yeah, it would've been good if james was there | 16:31 |
| adamw | wwoods will be there, though. with an awesome badge. | 16:32 |
| adamw | alrighty, moving on | 16:33 |
| adamw | #topic AutoQA update | 16:33 |
| adamw | kparal, tflink - what's the news? remember it's been like a month since the last meeting. dec 11th, I think. | 16:33 |
| kparal | I have some summary | 16:33 |
| * kparal taking the mic | 16:33 | |
| kparal | The last meeting was a long time ago, so I'll include also some items that happened before Christmas. | 16:34 |
| kparal | 1. I added support for caching proxy inside AutoQA. This is useful mainly in devel environments where we don't have too much of bandwidth. Subsequent test executions are very fast. We can also share these files between multiple developers in an office by deploying the proxy on a shared computer. | 16:34 |
| adamw | #chair kparal | 16:34 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: adamw kparal tflink | 16:34 |
| kparal | 2. There has been several problems in sending out (optin and regular) emails from our test clients. Hopefully I corrected all of them and optin email should be flowing once again. | 16:34 |
| kparal | big thanks to jlaska here | 16:35 |
| adamw | #info kparal added caching proxy support inside AutoQA | 16:35 |
| adamw | #info kparal fixed several issues with sending out opt-out and opt-in emails | 16:35 |
| kparal | 3. autoqa-results mailing list is revived. I cut down the amount of traffic substantialy by only sending full logs from test results. Currenly only emails from staging server are routed there. Production server still generates too much traffic, I'm working on it. I'll probably implement a configurable blacklist on these emails. | 16:35 |
| kparal | 4. After re-enabling autoqa-results I spotted (too many) problems. Most of them should be reported as Hot issues in our Trac, free to take :) | 16:36 |
| adamw | #info autoqa-results list is back, now with fewer messages! | 16:36 |
| tflink_ | my mail client can open that folder again! | 16:36 |
| kparal | :) | 16:36 |
| tflink_ | for some reason, it doesn't handle folders with >10k messages all that well | 16:36 |
| adamw | sounds like a productive period, thanks kparal | 16:37 |
| adamw | tflink_: weak! | 16:37 |
| kparal | very weird email client | 16:37 |
| kparal | 5. AutoQA logo changed to Marvin the Paranoid Android, yay! | 16:37 |
| kparal | #link http://www.iconfinder.com/icondetails/6392/128/automator_marvin_robot_icon | 16:37 |
| kparal | It was about time for some optimistic imagery! | 16:37 |
| j_dulaney | Win | 16:37 |
| adamw | did we address the, er, legal concerns there? | 16:38 |
| kparal | it's GPL icon | 16:38 |
| * tflink_ is still a little concerned about copyright on that one | 16:38 | |
| kparal | tflink_: shoot | 16:38 |
| tflink_ | kparal: true but I don't think that means we can use a copyrighted character from a secondary source | 16:38 |
| tflink_ | I sincerely doubt that the person who uploaded that icon had the rights to assign copyright | 16:39 |
| adamw | even if the person who drew the image licenses it GPL or whatever, if it resembles the movie Marvin too much, the movie studio would have rights. | 16:39 |
| kparal | I assumed it was uploaded by the author | 16:39 |
| kparal | meaning I can't draw _my own_ mickey mouse? | 16:39 |
| adamw | we couldn't use Mickey Mouse as the logo just because we used a drawing that wasn't actually by Disney - if it looks too much like Mickey, Disney has the rights. | 16:39 |
| adamw | kparal: ..exactly. | 16:39 |
| adamw | you can *draw* it | 16:40 |
| tflink_ | kparal: probably not | 16:40 |
| kparal | is this the correct universe I live in? | 16:40 |
| adamw | but using it 'commercially' (which is a very broad stroke) is troublesome. | 16:40 |
| kparal | alright, I'll ask spot about it | 16:40 |
| kparal | he's the license guru in Fedora, right? | 16:40 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 16:40 |
| adamw | he's our fake lawyer, yeah. | 16:40 |
| adamw | and he knows how to talk to real lawyers :) | 16:41 |
| kparal | it was such a pretty logo! :/ | 16:41 |
| adamw | life sucks, huh | 16:41 |
| kparal | alright, moving on | 16:41 |
| kparal | 6. Upgradepath displayed wrong results for multi-build updates. The fix is comitted but not deployed yet. | 16:41 |
| kparal | and that's all the news I know of | 16:41 |
| adamw | #info kparal proposed using an icon that rather resembles the version of Marvin from the recent H2G2 movie as AutoQA's icon, tflink and adamw raised legal concerns | 16:42 |
| adamw | #action kparal to follow up with spot on the legal questions around the marvin logo | 16:42 |
| adamw | kparal: cool, thanks | 16:42 |
| adamw | tflink_: any news to add? | 16:42 |
| tflink_ | is remote_install autoqa related? | 16:42 |
| kparal | nope | 16:42 |
| kparal | it should have its own section I believe | 16:43 |
| tflink_ | then nope, nothing to add - I've been spending most of my time on that | 16:43 |
| adamw | no, but we can talk about it in open discussion | 16:43 |
| adamw | anyone else have any autoqa news / qs? | 16:44 |
| adamw | okay then | 16:44 |
| adamw | #topic open floor | 16:44 |
| adamw | sounds like tflink would like to update us on remote_install progress? | 16:45 |
| tflink_ | sure | 16:45 |
| adamw | #topic open floor - remote_install | 16:45 |
| adamw | take it away! | 16:45 |
| tflink_ | I've been working on a demo for the remote installation system proposed last year | 16:45 |
| tflink_ | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tflink/remote_installation_testing_proposal | 16:45 |
| tflink_ | the demo system is mostly ready - I've been trying to figure out hosting details for a public demo | 16:46 |
| tflink_ | #link http://supermegawaffle.com/remote_install/index.html | 16:46 |
| tflink_ | #link https://github.com/tflink/remote_install | 16:46 |
| adamw | right now it's running behind the RH firewall, as it was easy for us to find resources there. | 16:46 |
| tflink_ | the current plan is to run a demo using public cloud infra once I write code to interface with the cloud we're going to use | 16:47 |
| j_dulaney | You might could check with rbergeron | 16:47 |
| tflink_ | if we go forward with the idea as more of a demo, we'll work out something using fedora infra | 16:47 |
| j_dulaney | Maybe figure out something using ec2 or the like | 16:48 |
| adamw | j_dulaney: yup, that's 'public cloud' | 16:48 |
| tflink_ | j_dulaney: ec2 is too expensive for this | 16:48 |
| j_dulaney | Ah | 16:48 |
| tflink_ | their billing and infra setup doesn't lend well to installation testing | 16:48 |
| tflink_ | ohi is a KVM based public cloud that is ~ 50% cheaper and less hacky | 16:49 |
| tflink_ | 50% cheaper for this use case, anyways | 16:49 |
| tflink_ | that and I really didn't want to estimate iops for EBS | 16:49 |
| tflink_ | :) | 16:50 |
| j_dulaney | Cheaper sounds better | 16:50 |
| tflink_ | EC2 billing is complicated :-/ | 16:50 |
| robatino | will it be possible to do size and checksum tests on the ISOs? (handy for avoiding download, especially for large spins) | 16:50 |
| tflink_ | robatino: with the remote_install system? not sure, to be honest | 16:51 |
| tflink_ | I don't know what would be needed for that off the top of my head | 16:51 |
| tflink_ | but my instinct says that it would be a sub-optimal way of doing things | 16:51 |
| tflink_ | and that AutoQA would be a better way to do that | 16:51 |
| tflink_ | but I'll be sending out an announcement when we have timing more solid for the demo | 16:52 |
| adamw | coolbeans. | 16:52 |
| robatino | right now i can do checksum tests using my account on secondary01 without downloading, AutoQA plans to just download them last i heard | 16:52 |
| tflink_ | if you have access to the RH VPN and want to try it out, let me know | 16:52 |
| adamw | is there anywhere you could do with help, or is it rolling along nicely? | 16:53 |
| tflink_ | I think that things are going well, I just need to get the cloud interface written | 16:53 |
| * tflink_ wishes that there was a python interface for the elastichosts API | 16:54 | |
| adamw | please don't get sidetracked into writing one. :) | 16:54 |
| tflink_ | a compete one? no. Just as much as I need for the demo | 16:54 |
| adamw | cool. | 16:54 |
| tflink_ | I've already spent more time on this than I'd like for a demo | 16:55 |
| nirik | tflink_: you might ping skvidal... he has some scripts to build/tear down/run things on cloud instances. | 16:55 |
| tflink_ | nirik: will do, thanks | 16:55 |
| * pschindl is finaly here (sry, I stuck on diploma thesis and forgot to join) | 16:55 | |
| j_dulaney | What's up, pschindl | 16:55 |
| tflink_ | I think that's it for remote_install, though | 16:56 |
| j_dulaney | tflink_: Maybe, for long term, could we hook this to AutoQA somehow? | 16:56 |
| tflink_ | j_dulaney: let's cross that bridge if/when we get there | 16:56 |
| j_dulaney | Righteo | 16:56 |
| tflink_ | for now, it's just a demo and may not live past the initial trial | 16:57 |
| pschindl | j_dulaney: deadline of thesis is this week and it's not done | 16:57 |
| adamw | okay, back to... | 16:57 |
| adamw | #topic open floor | 16:57 |
| adamw | do we have any other open floor topics? anything anyone's concerned about? | 16:57 |
| * j_dulaney is good | 16:58 | |
| adamw | okey dokey | 16:59 |
| adamw | setting the fuse for one minute... | 17:00 |
| adamw | thanks for coming, all! | 17:02 |
| jsmith | Go QA! | 17:02 |
| adamw | man, these lousy defective ACME fuses... | 17:02 |
| adamw | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
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