QA/Meetings/20120730

Attendees

• adamw (80)
• tflink (16)
• bcl (15)
• nirik (9)
• dlehman (5)
• zodbot (4)
• kparal (4)
• jskladan (3)
• pjones (2)
• garretraziel (2)
• cpuobsessed (1)
• spoore (1)
• mkrizek (1)
• satellit (1)
• akshayvyas (1)
• pschindl (1)

Agenda

• Fedora 18 preparation / anaconda newUI status
• AutoQA update
• Open floor

Fedora 18 preparation / anaconda newUI status

• RATS behind due to twu being away, will pick up soon
• bcl says livemedia-creator ought to be ready for usage for the Alpha compose
• newUI is scheduled to merge to master on wednesday, text mode support should make it in, possibly for alpha
• Rescue mode will likely not make it, but dracut can be used as a replacement

AutoQA update

• No major AutoQA news, autoQA team is fired for excessive zombies

Open floor

N/A

Action items

• adamw to do some test runs of f18 live image composes to see what problems lurk

IRC Log

adamw	#startmeeting fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Jul 30 15:00:24 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	15:00
adamw	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	15:00
adamw	#topic roll call	15:00
* mkrizek is here		15:00
adamw	who's around for the meetin?	15:01
* pschindl is here		15:01
* jskladan is here		15:01
* akshayvyas is here		15:01
* spoore is here		15:01
* nirik is lurking		15:01
* tflink is here		15:01
* satellit listening		15:02
* kparal rises from the grave		15:02
* adamw shoots zombie kparal		15:03
adamw	.fire kparal	15:03
zodbot	adamw fires kparal	15:03
* garretraziel is here		15:03
* kparal sews up the wound		15:03
adamw	alrighty, thanks for coming folks	15:04
adamw	hi dlehman	15:04
jskladan	^^ our new intern (garretraziel)	15:04
adamw	i didn't know zombies could sew	15:04
adamw	ahhhh, fresh intern meat!	15:04
garretraziel	Hi all!	15:04
tflink	he's an advanced type of zombie, I guess	15:04
* tflink is glad to be half a world away at the moment :)		15:04
adamw	distance is no protection against a czech zombie	15:04
tflink	sounds like it's time to start serious anti-zombie training, then	15:05
kparal	zombie self-healing mechanisms - a needle and a thread	15:05
adamw	#topic Fedora 18 preparation / newUI status	15:05
adamw	alright, so this is kind of a lazy f18 catch-all topic	15:05
adamw	for anyone who isn't aware - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-quality-tasks.html is one week behind	15:06
adamw	so add one week to all those dates when looking at it, until that gets fixed	15:06
adamw	so right now, we should be getting RATS results	15:07
tflink	adamw: the automated RATS won't work w/o serial, though	15:08
adamw	twu was going to run the RATS runs, but he's been off work for a few days, so we'll try and catch up on those this week. however, the results aren't going to be terribly relevant until newui merges	15:08
adamw	tflink: newui isn't merged yet, so not technically a problem	15:08
tflink	is there a whole lot of point in running RATS against pre-newui?	15:09
adamw	yeah, i'm not sure. it may point up repoclosure issues, i guess.	15:09
adamw	we should start crankin' on TCs in a week or so.	15:10
* nirik really wishes he knew how lives were looking... both space and working wise.		15:10
adamw	yeah, i'm thinking about that too. we could always throw together some test images with livecd-creator, just to see where things are.	15:11
adamw	#action adamw to do some test runs of f18 live image composes to see what problems lurk	15:12
adamw	any other thoughts on f18 prep? anyone worried about anything we're not covering?	15:12
tflink	is livemedia-creator working ATM?	15:12
nirik	not sure.	15:12
* tflink had heard that it wasn't really working yet		15:12
nirik	it also needs some changes to ks files.	15:12
dlehman	adamw: you might want to talk to bcl about that -- he's sent a patch set that makes lorax work with livemedia-creator	15:12
tflink	are we still going forward with replacing livecd-creator with livemedia-creator?	15:12
adamw	last i heard we were, but the lack of status info does seem worrying	15:13
nirik	yeah, I think that was still the plan.	15:13
nirik	dgilmore still needs to teach koji to use it too. ;(	15:13
adamw	bcl: what's the story on livemedia-creator status? if you're around	15:13
adamw	i guess he's not!	15:15
adamw	still, the good news is livecd-creator is always around to use as a backup if necessary	15:15
nirik	the live's in koji aren't working... not sure what change caused the breakage tho	15:15
pjones	he was around just a minute ago	15:15
dlehman	adamw: he made a live image using newui on friday and had it booting	15:16
adamw	yeah, we saw that the error messages are rather unusual, iirc	15:16
adamw	dlehman: ah, that's good news.	15:17
bcl	adamw: I got lmc working friday, making a f17 live with newui.	15:17
tflink	dlehman: do you know which tool he used to make it?	15:17
* tflink is a little slow		15:17
adamw	bcl: does it look like we should be able to use it for alpha? nirik, is there anything else you'd need?	15:17
adamw	tflink: left your mind on vacation, huh :)	15:17
nirik	well, koji support would be nice, but thats on dgilmore I think.	15:18
bcl	should be able to, other than the ususaly rawhide annoyances.	15:18
tflink	adamw: you're assuming that my mind has ever _not_ been on vacation :-D	15:18
adamw	=)	15:18
adamw	#info bcl says livemedia-creator ought to be ready for usage for the alpha compose	15:19
bcl	note that I used virt, I'm looking at novirt mode this week.	15:19
adamw	we can use 'by hand' construction for alpha, i think, so that shouldn't be an issue	15:19
adamw	afaik	15:19
* cpuobsessed woke up from his nap		15:20
* adamw blows fanfare		15:20
adamw	alrighty, so, the big topic in this area: newui readiness	15:20
adamw	unfortunately clumens isn't around, but i think dlehman can give us a general summary of stuff that won't / may not be working for f18, alpha and final?	15:21
adamw	apparently text mode will make it in after all and may even make it for alpha, last i heard.	15:22
bcl	probably so.	15:22
bcl	kickstart is working pretty well. most of the recent work on newui is around custom partitioning.	15:23
adamw	the other big ticket item i think was rescue mode	15:23
bcl	rescue may not make it, we've talked about moving that to dracut which really can do most of the things you'd want from a rescue.	15:23
adamw	we talked about that a bit and one conclusion is rescue mode doesn't actually do a whole lot besides mount system partitions for you	15:23
bcl	right.	15:24
bcl	mount stuff and give you a shell with useful tools.	15:24
adamw	right, and dracut does the 'shell with useful tools' stuff	15:25
bcl	we'll still be using firstboot, the user customization stuff won't make it into f18.	15:25
adamw	wait, you mean the 'initial experience' feature?	15:25
bcl	I don't know who is calling which what these days :) but we have plans for firstboot-like customization while installing packages.	15:26
adamw	oh. i'm talking about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/InitialExperience , which may be something different	15:26
bcl	totally different.	15:26
adamw	a desktop team feature for a gnome-specific firstboot replacement, is what it looks like to me.	15:26
adamw	okay. so we may not be using firstboot, but it won't be your fault =)	15:27
pjones	yes, totally different.	15:27
adamw	so are we aware of any other big ticket anaconda bits which aren't going to be in place?	15:28
bcl	well, firstboot isn't gnome specific so I expect we'll still use it.	15:28
adamw	right, for non-gnome desktops. anyhoo.	15:28
bcl	I'm not sure about advanced storage.	15:28
adamw	iSCSI / fibre channel etc?	15:29
dlehman	my understanding is that will be iBFT only -- no interactive configuration of those devices	15:30
adamw	that was mentioned on the feature page, so obviously fesco's okay with it	15:31
adamw	so if we're really only missing rescue mode, i guess that's pretty good news	15:31
adamw	how's the merge-to-rawhide schedule looking?	15:32
bcl	wednesday.	15:32
adamw	well that's nice and specific. awesome.	15:32
adamw	anyone from qa side have concerns remaining about newUI?	15:32
* nirik likes the idea of moving rescue to dracut		15:35
adamw	oh, with the new text mode, will serial console also be working?	15:35
adamw	dlehman: ^^	15:37
dlehman	I _think_ that's safe to assume	15:37
bcl	should be	15:37
dlehman	we're certainly doing the text mode work with full awareness of serial console and dumb terminal limitations	15:38
adamw	cool.	15:38
adamw	of course the ui will be different so we'll presumably have to adjust scripted things, but that shouldn't be a terrible problem	15:38
adamw	#info newUI is scheduled to merge to master on wednesday, text mode support should make it in, possibly for alpha	15:39
adamw	#info rescue mode will likely not make it, but dracut can be used as a replacement	15:40
adamw	alrighty, any more f18 concerns before we move on?	15:40
adamw	okey dokey, thanks anaconda folks	15:42
adamw	#topic AutoQA update	15:42
adamw	tflink: kparal: any zombie news?	15:42
kparal	you tell me	15:43
tflink	nothing from me	15:43
adamw	you're all fired	15:43
adamw	this here is a LIVING PEOPLE shop, we don't want your kind	15:43
tflink	and here I thought that tolerance/acceptance was important to us :)	15:44
adamw	oh, sure, all this modern 'politically correct' 'differently living' nonsense	15:44
adamw	well i ain't having any of it!	15:44
adamw	alright, then	15:45
adamw	#info no major AutoQA news, autoQA team is fired for excessive zombies	15:45
adamw	#topic open floor	15:45
adamw	any other business, anyone?	15:45
adamw	worries, concerns, questions about appropriate zombie disposal - we've got it all	15:47
adamw	man, it's almost like you people aren't excited by bureaucratic processes AT ALL	15:49
* tflink has already been fired due to claims of being a zombie, not sure what you're expecting		15:50
adamw	you could file a grievance	15:50
tflink	that sounds like too much work - kind of like counting the number of times I've been fired	15:51
adamw	and yet here you still are	15:51
adamw	alrighty, well, if that's all, guess we can all get back to our pinterest kitten collections	15:52
adamw	WORK. i meant work.	15:52
adamw	thanks for coming, folks	15:52
jskladan	*thumbs up* for kittens!	15:53
adamw	#endmeeting	15:53

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