QA/Meetings/20120813

Attendees

• adamw (86)
• kparal (43)
• tflink (33)
• nirik (29)
• jsmith (9)
• zodbot (7)
• pschindl (6)
• Martix (5)
• jskladan (3)
• spoore (1)
• mkrizek (1)
• paral (0)

Agenda

• F18 status, TC testing preparation
• Multi-image validation
• AutoQA update
• Open floor

F18 status, TC testing preparation

• F18 Alpha TC1 released over the weekend, initial testing indicates it fails to boot or install successfully
• pschindl updated installation results matrix template
• Bug #847418 is also causing issues for F18 users, recommended action: update systemd and re-generate initramfs
• pschindl has some further criteria change proposals to come
• Live image generation is still marked HERE BE DRAGONS: still waiting on koji support for livemedia-creator

Multi-image validation

• No significant feedback: proposal is in this thread

AutoQA update

• kparal enabled f18 testing in autoqa
• rats_sanity is without a maintainer
• autotest package review is almost complete
• Not much progress recently towards the 'enforce package tests in bodhi' goal

Open floor

• The blocker review meetings will be on Wednesday at 16:00 UTC starting this week
• The new blocker tracking page/webapp will soon be moved to fedora infra

IRC Log

adamw	#startmeeting Fedora QA meeting	15:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Aug 13 15:00:15 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	15:00
adamw	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	15:00
adamw	#topic roll call and snacks	15:00
adamw	happy, tflink? :)	15:00
* pschindl is here		15:00
* jskladan free food?		15:00
* mkrizek here		15:00
adamw	jskladan: no, no, no, the idea is you all bring ME snacks	15:01
* Martix is ready for collisions		15:01
* kparal heard something about food		15:01
* spoore is here...lurking		15:01
* tflink is around		15:01
tflink	kparal: that was for the docs meeting, unfortunately :'(	15:02
jskladan	adamw: aaah, that's the trick - I'll have something for you prepaired on DevConf ;)	15:02
Martix	jskladan: something spicy?	15:02
tflink	adamw: wait a second, I think we've been tricked	15:02
adamw	=)	15:02
jsmith	tflink: Docs team is sneaky like that :-p	15:03
adamw	#topic F18 status, TC testing preparation	15:04
* nirik lurks		15:04
adamw	sooo...in case you didn't notice, we have this thing called fedora 18 to test...	15:04
adamw	Alpha TC1 landed over the weekend, we don't have the validation matrix in place yet	15:04
adamw	first order of business, does it work? at all?	15:04
kparal	we have	15:04
kparal	the matrix	15:05
kparal	pschindl's done that	15:05
kparal	he also claims it doesn't boot, and if you make it boot, it doesn't install	15:05
adamw	ah, excellent, thanks for catching up on that	15:05
tflink	it sounds like the anaconda devs are aware of the issue and are working on it, though	15:06
tflink	unless there's another one that I'm not following	15:06
adamw	ok, so alpha tc1 testing is complete, great job everyone =)	15:06
adamw	#info F18 Alpha TC1 released over the weekend, initial testing indicates it fails to boot or install successfully	15:06
adamw	#info pschindl updated installation results matrix template	15:07
adamw	#chair tflink paral	15:07
zodbot	Current chairs: adamw paral tflink	15:07
adamw	grr	15:07
Martix	and if you upgrade to F18 and boot with 3.6 kernel, you hit boot loop bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847418	15:07
adamw	#undo	15:07
zodbot	Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x24152790>	15:07
adamw	#info F18 Alpha TC1 released over the weekend, initial testing indicates it fails to boot or install successfully	15:07
adamw	siiiigh. can someone please feed me coffee?	15:07
adamw	#chair kparal	15:08
zodbot	Current chairs: adamw kparal paral tflink	15:08
adamw	hi, robatino	15:08
nirik	Martix: fixed in recent systemd... make sure you have new systemd and re-gen your initramfs.	15:08
tflink	adamw: you re-did the wrong #info	15:08
adamw	#undo	15:08
zodbot	Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x1cc9a710>	15:08
Martix	nirik: noted, thanks	15:08
adamw	#info pschindl updated installation results matrix template	15:08
nirik	at least that worked for me. ;)	15:08
adamw	#info bug #847418 is also causing issues for f18 users, recommended action: update systemd and re-generate initramfs	15:09
adamw	ok, the other thing i had on my list for this topic is revising the criteria and test cases	15:09
adamw	anyone noticed any required changes already?	15:09
adamw	we'll likely have to edit a large number of the install validation test cases to reflect newui; we may need to adjust the criteria for missing functionality still	15:10
tflink	I thought we were still waiting somewhat to see what all lands in newui in time for F18	15:11
pschindl	adamw: I think that we should wait for working tc and then change everything	15:11
adamw	pschindl: yeah, having a tc that vaguely works will be a help =)	15:11
* kparal also votes for changing "everything" :-)		15:12
* jskladan would do it real time soon now		15:12
pschindl	I know about few changes, that will be needed in criteria, but I'm not sure about how it will work in new ui	15:12
adamw	pschindl: are those the ones you already proposed to the list, or others?	15:12
pschindl	adamw: those was only the most critical, which we should resolve firstly	15:13
adamw	okay	15:13
adamw	it'd be good to get the other proposals in soon	15:14
pschindl	the other changes are mostly about rewording current criteria	15:14
adamw	as for the test cases, i think we can probably just all chip in and update them as we go along	15:14
adamw	or if someone wants to take a task for doing it systematically that's fine too	15:14
adamw	#info pschindl has some further criteria change proposals to come	15:15
adamw	ok, so to summarize our plan of attack: 1) figure out what's wrong with TC1, 2) get a TC2 that works, 3) revise test cases/criteria for newUI changes	15:17
adamw	does that cover everything f18-y? anything I missed?	15:17
jsmith	WORKSFORME	15:18
* nirik is a bit worries about lives... but hopefully we will have something that works by the end of the week		15:18
pschindl	yep. I talked to anaconda team and fix could be done till tomorrow	15:18
adamw	nirik: ah, right, lmc, that's the other thing	15:19
adamw	nirik: so you tried to build lives with lmc and had issues?	15:19
nirik	I have not yet...	15:19
tflink	I thought it was the lack of koji support more than anything	15:19
adamw	ah, okay. so we haven't even reached the 'trying' stage yet =)	15:20
adamw	#info live image generation is still marked HERE BE DRAGONS	15:20
tflink	not in the same env as the lives have always been built in, no	15:20
nirik	there are no lives with tc1... I don't know if that is due to an issue dgilmore hit or if he didn't get to trying until the koji support is done.	15:20
tflink	nirik: the TC1 ticket says that it's due to no koji support but he's hoping to get that fixed this week	15:20
jsmith	I got the idea that we was still working on the koji support	15:20
jsmith	but it wasn't super-clear	15:21
nirik	ok.	15:21
adamw	#info still waiting on koji support for livemedia-creator	15:21
adamw	alrighty. well, that gives us lots of stuff to fix =)	15:23
adamw	#topic multi-image validation	15:24
adamw	so i just threw this on the agenda since it's something that's actively in draft at present	15:24
kparal	I replied to your emails. current proposal looks good	15:25
adamw	if anyone hasn't seen it, i put together a draft validation matrix for the multi-desktop and multi-boot images we've been building for the last couple of releases, and we've been trying to refine it: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-August/109284.html	15:25
adamw	kparal: yup, thanks a lot for your feedback	15:25
adamw	if anyone hasn't seen it, please take a look and contribute any ideas you have...anyone have any thoughts on it that aren't in the thread?	15:25
adamw	okey dokey, then	15:27
adamw	moving along	15:29
jsmith	adamw: I read through it, but didn't have any spectacular ideas -- the proposal looked solid	15:29
adamw	#topic AutoQA update	15:29
adamw	just for old times' sake	15:29
adamw	jsmith: thanks	15:29
adamw	any big autoqa news lately, autoqa folks?	15:29
kparal	I enabled F18 testing in AutoQA	15:29
kparal	that mostly concerns repoclosure, fileconflict and rats_* tests	15:29
adamw	cool. do we know the status of rats wrt newui?	15:30
adamw	or is it hampered by the fact we don't appear yet to have any recent newui-based images that work? =)	15:30
tflink	no text mode == no rats	15:30
kparal	rats_install is currently broken, I'll work on it once we have usable TC	15:30
adamw	oh, yeah.	15:30
kparal	text mode should be included eventually, shouldn't it?	15:30
adamw	yeah, we don't have a date yet though.	15:30
tflink	maybe but there is no guarantee that it'll make F18	15:30
kparal	hrm, so that's a blocker	15:31
kparal	but I'll look at it anyway	15:31
adamw	thanks.	15:31
kparal	rats_sanity should work ok, but doesn't have a maintainer	15:31
adamw	#info kparal enabled f18 testing in autoqa	15:31
adamw	#info rats_sanity is without a maintainer	15:31
kparal	I hoped twu would take over from hongqing, but he doesn't seem to be receiving my emails	15:31
kparal	so still looking for volunteers	15:32
kparal	another news, autotest package review is very close to an end	15:32
adamw	yaaay	15:32
kparal	so kudos to mkrizek	15:32
adamw	#info autotest package review is almost complete	15:32
adamw	thanks mkrizek!	15:32
kparal	also kudos to garretraziel (jan sedlak), who wrote an autotest_results_cleanup.py script for us	15:33
kparal	that makes the results directory half in size and inodes	15:33
adamw	hey, that's neat.	15:33
kparal	and that's it for the last week I suppose	15:34
adamw	coolness.	15:35
adamw	on a more general topic: what's our progress like towards the 'enforce package tests' goal?	15:35
tflink	not much, unfortunately	15:36
kparal	I was about to reply 'none at all'	15:36
kparal	at least lately	15:36
adamw	i think tflink was putting a positive spin on 'none at all' =)	15:37
tflink	eh, it's more than 0 ... just not much more than 0 :)	15:37
adamw	well, that sucks. let's do not that in future. i have now discharged my managerial obligations!	15:37
kparal	we're terrible project planners	15:37
adamw	#info not much progress recently towards the 'enforce package tests in bodhi' goal	15:38
adamw	okay, anything else for autoqa, anyone?	15:38
kparal	nope	15:39
adamw	alrighty	15:40
adamw	#topic open floor	15:40
tflink	Just a reminder: The blocker review meetings will be on Wednesday at 16:00 UTC starting this week	15:40
adamw	so, anyone have anything else to talk about? the weather, who should be the drummer for the who, cat grooming tips...	15:40
adamw	okay, OR you could be boring and say something on-topic and to the point, yeesh.	15:41
adamw	#info The blocker review meetings will be on Wednesday at 16:00 UTC starting this week	15:41
* kparal likes		15:41
tflink	at some point (hopefuly soon), the blocker tracking app will be moved to fedora infra and the source will be released	15:42
kparal	have we decided on the hostname already?	15:42
adamw	#info the new blocker tracking page/webapp will soon be moved to fedora infra	15:42
tflink	there was some question on whether using qa.fedoraproject.org would mess with the internal subdomain	15:42
tflink	no decision was reached, no	15:43
tflink	too many nos in that sentance	15:43
kparal	I don't personally like using subdomain in this case	15:43
tflink	kparal: not sure I follow you there, maybe I'm not being clear	15:44
tflink	there is no external qa.fp.o subdomain - it only exists internally	15:44
nirik	it should/will be reachable via qa01.dev.fedoraproject.org... but if you want another cname going to it, we just need to decide what. ;)	15:44
nirik	and setting it to qa.fedoraproject.org might work, or might blow up the internal only qa.fedoraproject.org zone.	15:44
tflink	apparently, nirik types faster than I do :)	15:45
kparal	so we don't know whether it would work?	15:45
adamw	what's an 'internal only qa.fedoraproject.org zone' when it's at home?	15:45
nirik	I don't. I guess we could try it, or pick another name.	15:45
kparal	let's push the red button	15:45
kparal	and try it	15:45
nirik	adamw: there is a 'qa.fedoraproject.org' zone... it's not public on the net tho, it's only available to servers in phx2.	15:46
adamw	oh, i see.	15:46
tflink	adamw: it's all of the autoqa machines, mostly	15:46
nirik	so autoqa01.qa.fedoraproject.org is an internal dns name...	15:46
nirik	but that won't resolve in the public internet.	15:46
kparal	the internal zone can be renamed, if needed?	15:46
nirik	sure, it would be a hassle, but sure.	15:46
kparal	hmm	15:46
nirik	or you could just do 'qa-blockers.fedoraproject.org' or something?	15:47
* nirik doesn't know it needs too much bikesedding.		15:47
kparal	but public qa.fedoraproject.org is so pretty.....	15:47
nirik	if thats what you guys prefer, we can try it/do it. ;)	15:47
kparal	and I imagine more apps will run there in the future	15:47
kparal	not just blocker bugs app	15:47
tflink	kparal: the vm we'll use isn't meant to be a permanent solution	15:47
kparal	no, but the VM can be changed and the hostname can stay, right?	15:48
nirik	yeah, it would/should move to a qa01.stg then a 'qa01' in production when it's ready.	15:48
nirik	yes, changing it is easy, it's just dns. ;)	15:48
kparal	if it's not much of a problem, I'd like to try whether public qa.fp.o works	15:48
nirik	sure, we can.	15:49
kparal	if it doesn't, let's decide on another name	15:49
tflink	kparal: says the guy who's about to sign off and won't be around to fix any explosions :-P	15:49
tflink	:-D	15:49
nirik	hum.	15:49
kparal	hiding in a bunker is the best way to survive, you know	15:50
* tflink is also for trying it, anyways		15:50
nirik	we already seem to have a qa.fedoraproject.org record.	15:50
nirik	but I am unsure where it points.	15:50
adamw	it doesn't work out here.	15:50
kparal	doesn't resolve for me	15:50
Martix	qa.fedoraproject.org has address 209.132.181.30	15:50
nirik	yeah, thats what I get... ^	15:51
tflink	same here	15:51
nirik	I'll try and track it down.	15:51
nirik	I don't know what would break by repointing it. ;)	15:51
tflink	any other suggestions for hostname if the qa.fp.o doesn't work out?	15:52
kparal	let's discuss it when it really doesn't	15:52
tflink	works for me	15:52
nirik	f18blockers.fedoraproject.org ? ;)	15:52
nirik	thats fine too.	15:53
* nirik will investigate, get back to you all		15:53
kparal	thanks	15:53
* tflink needs to learn him some pgsql admin before the app comes up, anyways		15:53
adamw	OK	15:53
adamw	so, anything else?	15:53
jsmith	tflink: I'm happy to help in that regard, if you have specific questions or need some help	15:54
tflink	jsmith: I just have no idea how to set up pgsql, to be honest. I'm trying to work through the docs ATM on a local VM before I set up the dev vm	15:54
adamw	alrighty, sounds like we're about done	15:56
jsmith	tflink: OK, just general install pgsql, set up access, create users and database -- that sort of thing?	15:56
adamw	thanks for coming out everyone...looks like we have lots of stuff to do =)	15:56
jsmith	tflink: I'll help you after the meeting	15:56
* adamw sets fuse for X minutes		15:56
tflink	jsmith: yeah, this sounds like something non-meeting related	15:56
* jsmith cuts the fuse in half		15:57
adamw	meeting explodes in jsmith's face	15:58
adamw	#endmeeting	15:58

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