QA/Meetings/20120820

Agenda

• Fedora 18 status, mini blocker review
• AutoQA update
• Open floor

Fedora 18 status, mini blocker review

• Alpha TC3 is up and at least vaguely bootable, still in highly broken state
• TC4 landing shortly, most likely
• releng is going to talk to bcl about the state of livemedia-creator and the possibility of going back to livecd-creator for now

Blocker review

• #796479 is accepted as a Beta blocker - violates the 'VM self-hosting' criterion
• #841451 still requires more evaluation
• #848641 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'USB boot' criterion
• #840179 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'boot without unintended user intervention' criterion
• #849070 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'installer bug reporting must work' criterion
• #849112 is accepted as a Final blocker - violates the 'custom partitioning' criterion
• #849012 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'HTTP/FTP package source' criterion if network requires configuration
• #849250 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'must be able to login' criterion
• #849152 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'DVD package source' criterion
• #849632 is accepted as a Beta blocker - violates the 'PXE boot' criterion
• #849667 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'installer bug reporting must work' criterion
• #849118 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'firstboot' criterion
• #848841 is accepted as NTH - clearly something worth fixing and low-risk
• #849244 is accepted as NTH - clear testing benefits to including SB support in Alpha

AutoQA update

• Skipped due to lack of time

Open floor

• Some question about whether go/no-go should be Wednesday or Thursday - we will decide it soon
• Andre will propose a release criterion for the media check on the list

IRC Log

adamw	#startmeeting Fedora QA meeting	15:00
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adamw	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
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adamw	#topic roll call	15:00
adamw	one awful hangover, reporting for duty	15:00
adamw	who else is here?	15:00
* tflink is here		15:01
* Cerlyn is here		15:01
* garretraziel is here		15:01
* spoore is here		15:01
jreznik	jreznik is here	15:01
* jreznik is here (sorry ;-)		15:01
* kparal as well		15:01
bioinfornatics	.fas bioinfornatics	15:01
zodbot	bioinfornatics: bioinfornatics 'MERCIER Jonathan' <bioinfornatics@gmail.com>	15:01
adamw	yay	15:02
* brunowolff is here		15:02
adamw	#topic fedora 18 status	15:03
adamw	well, let's see, we have tc3, which at least kinda-sorta boots into an installer. this is progress!	15:03
kparal	wohooo	15:04
* kparal reminds alpha release in 8 days		15:04
garretraziel	yes, but you would have better chance to install F18 with tic-tac-toe game	15:04
adamw	we've found several potential blockers in it though, still	15:04
adamw	garretraziel: hah, that's a way to put it.	15:04
adamw	there's a lot of tc3 validation still to do, and i expect we'll be getting to a tc4 today or tomorrow, just on general principles	15:05
brunowolff	The -rc2 kernel might have some issues. But that isn't the one we'll be using for the release.	15:05
adamw	i guess that's more or less it, any other notes on f18 before we do some blocker review?	15:05
jreznik	adamw: would be great to have tc4 asap (depends on what we can make into it)	15:05
brunowolff	F18 seems to be working OK with the 3.5 kernel from f17 and the rc1 kernel.	15:05
brunowolff	Any update on livemedia-creator builds? Is that what we are going to use for alpha?	15:07
adamw	jreznik: right, i need to go through and check what we have fixes for and what we really want fixes for	15:07
jwb	brunowolff, which release?	15:07
adamw	brunowolff: ooh, good question	15:07
adamw	dgilmore: nirik: either of you around and have any info on lmc builds?	15:07
* nirik looks up.		15:08
brunowolff	jwb: 3.6-rc2 hung up on my twice. One looked like apps hung and the other time the whole system might have hung. I'll be trying it out some more after this meeting.	15:08
nirik	I tried to get livemedia-creator working here this weekend without much luck.	15:08
nirik	dgilmore said he was going to talk to bcl about punting and doing livecd-creator again for f18... but I don't know the status of that.	15:09
adamw	roger	15:09
brunowolff	That would be my recommendation. I don't see a need to rush this.	15:09
adamw	#info f18 alpha tc3 is up and at least vaguely bootable, still in highly broken state	15:09
adamw	#info tc4 landing shortly, most likely	15:10
adamw	#info releng is going to talk to bcl about the state of livemedia-creator and the possibility of going back to livecd-creator for now	15:10
adamw	okay, blocker review?	15:11
adamw	#chair tflink kparal	15:11
zodbot	Current chairs: adamw kparal tflink	15:11
adamw	tflink: do you have your stuff set up?	15:11
tflink	give me 1 minute, I didn't realize we were doing a mini review toda	15:12
* nirik hit one this weekend, meant to check criteria to see if it should be a blocker.		15:12
adamw	throw it in at the end somewhere.	15:12
tflink	there's another one that's apparently not on the list	15:14
nirik	can do. It's 'impossible to install on a ipv6 enabled network/dual stack network'	15:14
tflink	#info 10 Proposed Blockers	15:14
tflink	#info 2 Proposed NTH	15:14
tflink	starting with the proposed blockers	15:15
tflink	#topic (796479) firewalld conflicts with libvirt's default network	15:15
tflink	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796479	15:15
tflink	#info Proposed Blockers, ASSIGNED	15:15
adamw	so i still didn't get to testing this, but laine gave us some useful info	15:15
adamw	still, the virt criteria are all beta, so thinking about it, this ought to be beta	15:16
adamw	"The release must be able host virtual guest instances of the same release, using Fedora's current preferred virtualization technology " is the relevant criterion	15:16
tflink	yeah, that makes sense to me	15:16
* kparal agrees		15:17
kparal	I would rather see Alpha working flawlessly as a virt guest than virt host	15:17
tflink	proposed #agreed 796479 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - Violates the F18 Beta criterion "The release must be able host virtual guest instances of the same release, using Fedora's current preferred virtualization technology"	15:17
adamw	ack	15:17
kparal	ack	15:17
* jreznik agrees, seems like laine is in touch with twoerner (I can ask them for status)		15:18
tflink	proposed #agreed 796479 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - Violates the F18 Beta criterion "The release must be able host virtual guest instances of the same release, using Fedora's current preferred virtualization technology"	15:18
tflink	just added in the rejected alpha	15:18
tflink	#agreed 796479 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - Violates the F18 Beta criterion "The release must be able host virtual guest instances of the same release, using Fedora's current preferred virtualization technology"	15:18
jreznik	ack	15:18
tflink	#topic (841451) polkitd doesn't start in rawhide	15:18
tflink	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=841451	15:18
tflink	#info Proposed Blockers, NEW	15:18
* kparal notes we have to adjust the criteria		15:19
adamw	kparal: which one?	15:19
kparal	adamw: my fault. I thought the cited criterion was alpha	15:20
kparal	nevermind	15:20
tflink	sounds like this needs more testing still	15:21
tflink	punt?	15:21
adamw	yeah, but didn't someone actually manage to get an f18 install now? so we could theoretically tell	15:21
tflink	yeah, I got a F18 install done - it wasn't graphical but it did boot to a text prompt	15:22
kparal	does KDE installation count?	15:22
kparal	garretraziel: you got working KDE, right?	15:22
garretraziel	yep, I got KDE to work	15:22
garretraziel	KDE, LXDE and XFCE works, but it's very hard to install them	15:22
adamw	anything with polkit in the package set. just see if polkitd service runs after install, really	15:23
garretraziel	I cannot verify if is polkitd running, I'm at home now.	15:24
adamw	okay. so, punt.	15:24
* tflink doesn't have access to the install right now, though		15:24
brunowolff	Should it just be used with the graphical target? I upgraded a non-graphical system yesterday and the polkit service doesn't seem to be used. The polkitd user wasn't created, even though polkit is install (and was updated).	15:25
tflink	#info this still needs verification with an install containing polkit, will re-evaluate on wednesday	15:25
tflink	#topic (848641) Fedora 18 Alpha TC2 fails to boot from USB stick (written by livecd-iso-to-disk)	15:25
tflink	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=848641	15:25
tflink	#info Proposed Blockers, NEW	15:26
brunowolff	Note that the service name is polkit, though the daemon name is polkitd.	15:26
adamw	ach, this one again. still didn't test the other usb methods. at least, i didn't, dunno about anyone else.	15:26
kparal	I did	15:27
kparal	see comment #4	15:27
adamw	aha, thanks	15:27
tflink	kparal: your last test was with TC3, then?	15:27
kparal	yes	15:27
adamw	ok, so this is blocker	15:27
adamw	nice wowrk	15:27
tflink	proposed #agreed 848641 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following Fedora 18 alpha release criterion "The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media when written to an optical disc and when written to a USB stick with at least one of the officially supported methods"	15:29
adamw	ackity	15:30
tflink	ack/nak/patch?	15:30
kparal	ack	15:30
jreznik	ack	15:30
tflink	#agreed 848641 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following Fedora 18 alpha release criterion "The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media when written to an optical disc and when written to a USB stick with at least one of the officially supported methods"	15:31
tflink	#topic (840179) Latest grub2 update broke "system" theme	15:31
tflink	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=840179	15:31
tflink	#info Proposed Blockers, NEW	15:31
tflink	this is arguably not a blocker	15:31
* tflink would be fine with NTH unless there is a better final criterion		15:32
adamw	nils makes a reasonable case	15:32
adamw	comment #14	15:32
adamw	but eh, let's not waste too much time on this, it's an easy fix	15:32
adamw	so nth or blocker, whichever, but let's just pick one and fix it...	15:33
kparal	this applies only to upgrades?	15:33
tflink	no, I hit this on a fresh install	15:33
kparal	does this influence everyone, or just people tinkering with grub.conf?	15:34
jreznik	yep, fresh install... it's more nth for me	15:34
tflink	you have to tinker with it to fix it	15:34
tflink	by default, you get a warning at the grub prompt before the menu actually shows up	15:34
tflink	and you have to hit some key to get past that warning	15:35
tflink	I see +1 NTH, +2 either	15:36
kparal	"without unintended user intervention" speaks for +1 blocker	15:36
kparal	but I'm fine with just nth	15:36
tflink	proposed #agreed 840179 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the F18 alpha release criterion "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria (or the appropriate Beta or Final criteria, when applying this criterion to those releases) must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. Thi	15:37
tflink	ack/nak/patch?	15:37
kparal	ack	15:37
adamw	ack	15:37
aspratyush	ack	15:37
tflink	if we get enough nak, I'll switch it to NTH	15:37
kparal	the text is cropped	15:37
tflink	hrm, how far does it get?	15:37
brunowolff	ack	15:37
kparal	"in non-graphical mode. Thi"	15:38
jreznik	if we can do it "easily", then I'm ack too	15:38
garretraziel	I would like to add that "firstboot" doesn't work too (it didn't display in KDE, LXDE nor XFCE)	15:38
adamw	garretraziel: is there a bug filed on it?	15:39
adamw	that's four acks, good enough	15:39
tflink	yeah, trying to shorten it	15:39
garretraziel	yep, but in that time I tried it only in LXDE	15:39
garretraziel	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849118	15:40
tflink	#agreed 840179 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the F18 alpha release criterion "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria (or the appropriate Beta or Final criteria, when applying this criterion to those releases) must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode."	15:40
tflink	#topic (849070) Anaconda's bug reporter doesn't work	15:40
tflink	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849070	15:40
tflink	#info Proposed Blockers, POST	15:40
adamw	+1 blocker, by the numbers	15:41
tflink	+1 blocker	15:41
kparal	+1 blocker	15:42
brunowolff	+1 blocker	15:42
tflink	proposed #agreed 849070 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla and local disk, with appropriate information included"	15:42
tflink	ack/nak/patch?	15:43
adamw	ack	15:43
kparal	ack	15:43
jreznik	ack	15:43
tflink	#agreed 849070 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla and local disk, with appropriate information included"	15:43
aspratyush	ack	15:43
tflink	#topic (849112) NoDisksError	15:44
tflink	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849112	15:44
tflink	#info Proposed Blockers, ASSIGNED	15:44
tflink	I'm not sure about blocker on this	15:45
kparal	I don't understand comment #15	15:45
kparal	the reproducer in comment #13 seems to be a valid use case	15:45
tflink	yeah, but there is a reasonable workaround	15:46
adamw	i haven't reproduced this to get a 'feel' for it, so it's kinda hard to vote	15:46
kparal	it shouldn't just crash	15:46
tflink	inconvenient, yes but #15 makes me think that it's just poorly worded error messages	15:46
kparal	it's fine when it tells 'you must first do X'	15:46
tflink	yeah, you're right. it shouldn't crash	15:48
kparal	from what I understand, this is a completely typical usage. automatically create layout while there are some partitions on the disk	15:48
kparal	IIUIC	15:48
kparal	so this really shouldn't crash	15:48
kparal	worth inviting dlehman here?	15:49
tflink	proposed #agreed 849112 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion " The installer must be able to complete an installation using the entire disk, existing free space, or existing Linux partitions methods, with or without encryption or LVM enabled"	15:49
kparal	ack from me, unless we find out we haven't understood the use case correctly	15:50
tflink	other ack/nak/patch?	15:50
brunowolff	+1 blocker	15:51
jreznik	ack	15:51
adamw	+/-0	15:51
* tflink is waiting for 1 more ack		15:51
jreznik	but maybe more info would be better... not sure I completely understand it but as kparal pointed out, it should not crash	15:52
tflink	or we could punt until wednesday	15:52
* kparal inviting dlehman		15:52
kparal	dlehman: please have a look at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849112	15:53
kparal	can you tell us exactly what's going on?	15:54
* tflink is starting to lean towards punt		15:54
tflink	we're almost @ time	15:54
kparal	ah, is someone waiting?	15:54
dlehman	kparal: NoDisksError in this case means "there are no disks with enough space on them to do automatic partitioning"	15:54
kparal	dlehman: the use case is that I choose automatic partitioning on an already partitioned disk?	15:55
dlehman	so if you want to do automatic partitioning from the custom partitioning interface, you must first make space by removing existing partitions from the disk(s)	15:55
kparal	is there any other way to do automatic partitioning?	15:56
kparal	without having to manually remove everything?	15:56
tflink	is this only custom partitioning, then?	15:56
dlehman	yes. don't click "review and modify".	15:56
dlehman	this part of the ui is broken IMO	15:56
adamw	hm, that follows oldui as well, 'review and modify' = custom partitioning. so, that's kinda non-blocker.	15:57
tflink	but since autopart works, I'm not sure it's an alpha blocker	15:57
kparal	so, automatic partitioning without review works. with review it doesn't	15:57
dlehman	"Review and modify" used to mean "do autopart, then show me the results" whereas now it means "do custom partitioning"	15:57
adamw	or rather, final blocker not alpha blocker	15:57
kparal	dlehman: so it's just badly worded	15:57
dlehman	kparal: correct	15:57
dlehman	kparal: or, more than that, the wording is unfortunately invoking memories of previous behavior and thereby also invoking an expectation that the behavior will be the same as it was	15:58
adamw	right.	15:58
kparal	still it should not crash but say "no free disks available"	15:58
brunowolff	At the very least the crashing aspect should be nth.	15:59
adamw	oh, nth for sure.	15:59
jreznik	brunowolff: +1	15:59
dlehman	perhaps we could even make that button insensitive until/unless there's some space to use.	16:00
* kparal would have to see a screenshot		16:00
tflink	proposed #agreed 849112 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - Violates the F18 final release criterion: "The installer must be able to create and install to any workable partition layout using any file system offered in a default installer configuration, LVM, software, hardware or BIOS RAID, or combination of the above"	16:00
tflink	proposed #agreed 849112 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Final) - Violates the F18 final release criterion: "The installer must be able to create and install to any workable partition layout using any file system offered in a default installer configuration, LVM, software, hardware or BIOS RAID, or combination of the above"	16:00
kparal	just explain to me why Final	16:01
kparal	it's Alpha criterion	16:01
adamw	the criterion cited now is final, not alpha	16:01
kparal	I know people are able to start over, after anaconda crash	16:01
* kparal searching for 5 differences		16:02
adamw	kparal: the alpha criterion about an autopart	16:02
adamw	erf	16:02
adamw	the final criterion we've always read as 'any failure in partitioning is a blocker', basically	16:02
adamw	the alpha one is a much tighter 'if you follow the defaults with minimum variation it should work'	16:02
kparal	alright	16:03
tflink	ack/nak/patch?	16:03
adamw	ack	16:03
brunowolff	ack	16:03
kparal	ack	16:03
adamw	but also acceptednth for alpha?	16:03
kparal	+1 nth alpha	16:04
jreznik	+1 nth alpha	16:04
tflink	proposed #agreed 849112 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Final), AcceptedNTH (Alpha) - Violates the F18 final release criterion: "The installer must be able to create and install to any workable partition layout using any file system offered in a default installer configuration, LVM, software, hardware or BIOS RAID, or combination of the above"	16:04
adamw	ack	16:05
* tflink assumes acks again		16:05
jreznik	ack	16:05
aspratyush	ack	16:05
tflink	#agreed 849112 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Final), AcceptedNTH (Alpha) - Violates the F18 final release criterion: "The installer must be able to create and install to any workable partition layout using any file system offered in a default installer configuration, LVM, software, hardware or BIOS RAID, or combination of the above"	16:05
tflink	#topic (849012) IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-p2p1'	16:05
tflink	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849012	16:05
tflink	#info Proposed Blockers, NEW	16:06
adamw	so basically any attempt to enter network config screen ends up in a crash?	16:07
jreznik	adamw: simplest reproduces is to click on network configuration and click back	16:07
kparal	comment #7 seems to indicate so	16:07
kparal	that's pretty bad	16:07
jreznik	but same if you want to set up advanced options (or any action)	16:07
tflink	sounds like a blocker to me	16:08
jreznik	so it definitely makes impossible to setup network for many people	16:08
kparal	+1 blocker	16:08
adamw	yeah, seems bad enough.	16:08
adamw	+1	16:08
jsmith	+1 blocker from me	16:08
jreznik	+1 as I proposed it :)	16:08
tflink	"The installer must be able to use at least one of the HTTP or FTP remote package source options"?	16:08
adamw	yeah	16:09
aspratyush	+1 blocker	16:09
jreznik	btw it's related to #849070	16:09
adamw	criteria logic :)	16:09
tflink	proposed #agreed 849012 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following fedora 18 alpha release criterion "The installer must be able to use at least one of the HTTP or FTP remote package source options"	16:10
tflink	ack/nak/patch?	16:10
adamw	ack	16:10
kparal	ack	16:10
aspratyush	ack	16:11
tflink	#agreed 849012 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following fedora 18 alpha release criterion "The installer must be able to use at least one of the HTTP or FTP remote package source options"	16:11
tflink	#topic (849250) Not setting up a root password makes non-desktop installs impossible to access	16:12
tflink	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849250	16:12
tflink	#info Proposed Blockers, NEW	16:12
adamw	+1, obviously. reasoning in the bug.	16:12
tflink	it's workaround-able but this looks pretty bad and you have to know the workarounds	16:13
adamw	yeah.	16:13
jreznik	yep	16:13
* aspratyush agrees		16:13
garretraziel	Again, I want to add that, because of missing firstboot, event desktop installs are impossible to access.	16:13
tflink	garretraziel: impossible how? I assume you can still boot into single mode or pseudo-rescue	16:14
adamw	well, not impossible, but same situation as in this bug, i guess.	16:14
garretraziel	yep, that's what I meant	16:15
tflink	proposed #agreed 849250 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "When booting a system installed without a graphical environment, or when using a correct configuration setting to cause an installed system to boot in non-graphical mode, the system should boot to a state where it is possible to log in through at least one of the default virtual consoles"	16:15
adamw	ack	16:15
kparal	ack	16:15
jsmith	ACK	16:15
spoore	ack	16:15
jreznik	ack	16:15
tflink	#agreed 849250 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "When booting a system installed without a graphical environment, or when using a correct configuration setting to cause an installed system to boot in non-graphical mode, the system should boot to a state where it is possible to log in through at least one of the default virtual consoles"	16:15
tflink	#topic (849152) anaconda doesn't use DVD repo	16:15
tflink	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849152	16:15
tflink	#info Proposed Blockers, POST	16:15
adamw	+1	16:15
kparal	seems like a clear blocker	16:16
tflink	proposed #agreed 849152 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "When booting from a DVD ISO image, the installer must be able to use the DVD local package source options"	16:16
aspratyush	+1 blocker	16:17
kparal	ack	16:17
jreznik	ack	16:17
jsmith	ACK	16:17
tflink	#agreed 849152 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "When booting from a DVD ISO image, the installer must be able to use the DVD local package source options"	16:17
tflink	#topic (849632) inst.repo=http doesn't work	16:17
tflink	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849632	16:17
tflink	#info Proposed Blockers, NEW	16:17
kparal	so I'm really unsure whether I used the correct criterion	16:17
kparal	in this bug	16:17
tflink	does adding things via the graphical interface work?	16:18
kparal	haven't tried	16:18
kparal	this is more about stage2 fetching	16:18
adamw	this is really pxe/virt-install stuff right?	16:18
kparal	I booted through pxe, right	16:18
kparal	I haven't tried boot.iso with inst.repo, my fault	16:19
kparal	I have to change the summary	16:19
kparal	the summary should be 'stage2 can't be fetched with inst.repo'	16:19
kparal	that makes it probably Beta blocker	16:19
adamw	i feel like we decided a specific release point for this kinda thing back in f17	16:20
adamw	but i can't recall if it was alpha, beta or final	16:20
adamw	anyone?	16:20
kparal	bet	16:20
kparal	a	16:20
adamw	no, tiny dwarf with a jackhammer inside my head, you don't count	16:20
adamw	ok, then i vote beta	16:20
tflink	"It must be possible to install by booting the installation kernel directly, including via PXE, and correctly specifying a remote source for the installer itself, using whichever protocols are required to work for package retrieval at the current phase (Alpha, Beta, Final). This must work if the remote source is not a complete repository but contains only the files necessary for the installer itself to run. "?	16:20
kparal	I'll retest with boot.iso and inst.repo	16:20
kparal	tflink: yes	16:21
tflink	that's beta	16:21
adamw	ok, so beta for now	16:21
kparal	just to clarify - " The installer must be able to use at least one of the HTTP or FTP remote package source options " refers to UI?	16:22
tflink	proposed #agreed 849632 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - Violates the F18 beta release criterion "It must be possible to install by booting the installation kernel directly, including via PXE, and correctly specifying a remote source for the installer itself, using whichever protocols are required to work for package retrieval at the current phase (Alpha, Beta, Final). This must work if the remote source is not a complete repository	16:22
kparal	ack	16:22
tflink	ack/nack/patch?	16:23
adamw	kparal: yeah, it does, we could clarify that.	16:23
adamw	though note it's specifically about 'package source', not 'stage2 source'. though that distinction is getting less clear now, i guess.	16:24
adamw	ack	16:24
tflink	#agreed 849632 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - Violates the F18 beta release criterion "It must be possible to install by booting the installation kernel directly, including via PXE, and correctly specifying a remote source for the installer itself, using whichever protocols are required to work for package retrieval at the current phase (Alpha, Beta, Final). This must work if the remote source is not a complete repository but cont	16:25
tflink	ok, that's all of the blockers	16:25
adamw	can we do proposed nth rather than accepted blockers?	16:26
kparal	tflink: the extra one	16:26
tflink	kparal: oh yeah, thanks	16:26
tflink	#topic (849667) Bugreporting from anaconda doesn't work as expected	16:28
tflink	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849667	16:28
tflink	#info Proposed Blockers, MODIFIED	16:28
kparal	vratislav created that bug just to get the new builds into the compose	16:29
adamw	+1 per the abrt criterion - it obviously means the report submission should work and provide useful data	16:29
kparal	sure, +1 as well	16:30
tflink	proposed #agreed 849667 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla and local disk, with appropriate information included"	16:30
adamw	ack	16:30
kparal	ack	16:30
tflink	#agreed 849667 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla and local disk, with appropriate information included"	16:30
jreznik	ack	16:30
tflink	ok, any other blockers I missed?	16:31
adamw	the firstboot one maybe?	16:31
tflink	did we get a bz# for that?	16:32
adamw	that garretraziel mentioned	16:32
adamw	garret?	16:32
jreznik	yep, firstboot pls	16:32
garretraziel	okay,	16:32
garretraziel	it seems that firstboot doesn't show up	16:32
* nirik can note 849395 and ask for other ipv6 enabled folks to test and try and duplicate.		16:32
garretraziel	it didn't showed up in KDE, LXDE nor XFCE. I was unable to test it in gnome (couldn't install it)	16:33
tflink	if someone has a bz#, that would be great	16:33
adamw	garretraziel: bz #?	16:33
garretraziel	849118	16:34
jreznik	garretraziel: gnome is not going to use firstboot	16:34
adamw	i'm +1 with the info that kde is broken.	16:34
tflink	is this already reported elsewhere?	16:35
jreznik	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849118	16:35
garretraziel	ok, so situation now is that nobody can install gnome and other GUIs firstboots don't show up	16:35
jreznik	#topic (849118) firstboot doesn't show up in LXDE	16:35
jreznik	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849118	16:36
jreznik	not proposed as blocker but should be	16:36
tflink	#topic (849118) firstboot doesn't show up in LXDE	16:36
tflink	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849118	16:36
tflink	#info Proposed Blocker, NEW	16:36
rdieter	jreznik: I just added to F18Blocker-kde tracker, fwiw	16:37
jreznik	rdieter: thx	16:37
adamw	+1	16:37
jreznik	+1	16:37
tflink	proposed #agreed 849118 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 Alpha release criterion: "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria (or the appropriate Beta or Final criteria, when applying this criterion to those releases) must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphica	16:39
tflink	is that too long again?	16:39
Smoother1rOgZ	.s 1	16:39
kparal	yes	16:39
garretraziel	yep	16:39
kparal	"in non-graphica"	16:40
tflink	proposed #agreed 849118 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 Alpha release criterion: "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. This includes correctly accessing any encrypted partitions when the correct passphra	16:41
tflink	better?	16:41
adamw	you can cut the second sentence.	16:41
kparal	nope :)	16:41
adamw	not relevant here.	16:41
tflink	proposed #agreed 849118 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 Alpha release criterion: "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. This includes correctly accessing any encrypted partitions when the correct passphra	16:41
tflink	wait, screwed that up	16:42
kparal	nevermind	16:42
tflink	proposed #agreed 849118 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 Alpha release criterion: "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. The firstboot utility must be able to create a working user account."	16:42
kparal	ack	16:43
tflink	fourth try's the charm?	16:43
adamw	ack. yay!	16:43
jreznik	ack	16:43
tflink	#agreed 849118 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 Alpha release criterion: "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. The firstboot utility must be able to create a working user account."	16:43
tflink	any more I missed?	16:43
tflink	doesn't FEScO start in 15?	16:44
jreznik	yep	16:44
adamw	do we have any porposed nth?	16:44
adamw	i think one or two inc the kernel	16:44
tflink	#info (848841) [TUI] anaconda crash when trying to work with empty (new) disk	16:44
tflink	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=848841	16:44
tflink	#info Proposed NTH, ON_QA	16:44
tflink	darn it	16:45
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tflink	#topic (848841) [TUI] anaconda crash when trying to work with empty (new) disk	16:45
tflink	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=848841	16:45
tflink	#info Proposed NTH, ON_QA	16:45
kparal	+1 nth	16:46
adamw	+1	16:46
jreznik	+1	16:46
tflink	proposed #agreed 848841 - AcceptedNTH - This prevents text install with an empty disk which isn't an alpha blocker but a tested fix would be accepted.	16:47
kparal	ack	16:47
adamw	ack	16:47
jreznik	ack	16:47
tflink	#agreed 848841 - AcceptedNTH - This prevents text install with an empty disk which isn't an alpha blocker but a tested fix would be accepted.	16:47
tflink	#topic (849244) Include signed grub2 and kernel in Alpha	16:47
tflink	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849244	16:47
tflink	#info Proposed NTH, ASSIGNED	16:47
kparal	no reason to deny that, right? the resistance is futile, secure boot is here	16:49
adamw	this seems reasonable, but if the rc2 kernel is bad...	16:49
adamw	still, the theory is we make the issue nth but can refuse to take a build if it's problematic, so +1 nth.	16:49
* jreznik really wants to see secure boot in alpha		16:49
tflink	proposed #agreed 849244 - AcceptedNTH - It would be nice to have an SB-capable alpha, a well tested build would be accepted past freeze.	16:50
kparal	ack	16:50
jreznik	ack (and I'd even say it's a blocker - as it's the change that has to be delivered asap to not affect final...)	16:51
adamw	ack	16:51
tflink	#agreed 849244 - AcceptedNTH - It would be nice to have an SB-capable alpha, a well tested build would be accepted past freeze.	16:51
tflink	ok, I think that's all of them	16:52
jreznik	yep	16:52
tflink	adamw: I think we're done w/ 8 minutes to spare :)	16:52
jreznik	one thing from me - go/no-go is scheduled on Wednesda, see http://jreznik.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-pm-tasks.html	16:52
adamw	yeah. chances of go at this point are infinitesimal, fwiw.	16:53
jreznik	adamw: it is :(((	16:53
* jreznik is going to announce it		16:53
nirik	but perhaps it will be better by wed. ;)	16:53
adamw	ahaha. optimist.	16:54
adamw	let's skip autoqa update in the interests of brevity	16:54
jreznik	nirik: we are still stuck on anaconda... so I hope at least for installable system for more userland testing... that's all we can get (and would be great to get it)	16:54
tflink	didn't we move the go/nogo to thursday?	16:54
adamw	#topic open floor	16:54
adamw	do we have anything for general qa open floor?	16:54
robatino	i was going to suggest a final criterion for working built-in mediacheck, but there probably isn't time	16:55
nirik	tflink: I had wanted to... perhaps that didn't happen in the schedule?	16:55
tflink	I thought we did agree to it	16:55
tflink	not 100% sure, though	16:55
jreznik	I'm ok with moving it on Thursday...	16:55
adamw	robatino: best on the list i guess	16:56
jreznik	it's just going to be really difficult this Thurday as it's my granma funeral :(	16:56
jreznik	as I said - I can move it, but would be better to do it before announcement...	16:56
adamw	i'm not sure it's gonna make a huge difference this week :)	16:56
tflink	true	16:57
jreznik	well, so Wednesday this week? and schedule next go/no-go on Thursday?	16:57
tflink	I just want to avoid the whole "we can get through the whole matrix in 24 hours" thing again	16:57
mjg59	You guys going to be finished in 3 minutes?	16:57
mjg59	Or should I move fesco to -1?	16:57
tflink	but as adam said, that seems really, really unlikely by wed	16:57
tflink	I think we're done - rest of conversation can be done in #fedora-qa, no?	16:58
jreznik	tflink: yep...	16:58
adamw	mjg59: we'll be done	16:58
adamw	#info we'll decide on the day of the go/no-go meeting shortly	16:58
adamw	thanks folks	16:58
adamw	#info robatino will propose a criterion for mediacheck on the list	16:58
adamw	aaaand that's all she wrote	16:59
adamw	#endmeeting	16:59

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