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Attendees
- adamw (94)
- dan408 (40)
- tflink (23)
- kparal (22)
- j_dulaney (14)
- jreznik (14)
- pjones (6)
- zodbot (4)
- brunowolff (3)
- nirik (2)
- satellit_e (2)
- martix (1)
- j_dulane1 (1)
- mkrizek (1)
- Southern_Gentlem (1)
- pschindl (1)
Agenda
- Previous meeting follow-up
- Fedora 19 Alpha status/recap
- Beta release criteria
- Test Days
- Open floor
Previous meeting follow-up
- adamw to send out another call for UEFI testing with TC6 - this was done, and we got a good amount of UEFI testing before go/no-go
- jreznik to follow up on status of Translations (l10n) test day- jreznik did so, and the event went off well
Fedora 19 Alpha recap
- Alpha was signed off and ready to go
- adamw created and populated the Common_F19_bugs page
- kparal noted the tracker bug aliases are kind of long at present (kparal); adamw explained the old-style aliases are only going to be used for F19 as a 'backwards compatibility' measure, from F20 onwards bugs will have only the new-style aliases
- There was a vote of thanks to all Alpha testers
Beta planning
- anaconda recently revised how containers (LVM, btrfs) are handled in custom partitioning: we will get some images to do some testing of those changes shortly
- The first blocker review meeting was scheduled for 04-24, Beta TC1 for 04-30
- The new-style Beta release criteria still needed to be finished off
Test Days
- Test_Day:2013-04-17_Power_Management went ahead successfully: the power management team blogged about it
- FreeIPA test day seems to have gone ahead and produced useful results
- martix was working on graphics test week preparation, adamw would help out with publicity
Open floor
- tflink reported that the blocker bug proposal webapp should go into production during the week
Action items
- adamw to complete Beta criteria update
- adamw to add iscsi test case back to the matrix
IRC Log
| randomuser | #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings | 14:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Apr 22 14:00:40 2013 UTC. The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 14:00 |
| randomuser | #meetingname Fedora Docs | 14:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' | 14:00 |
| randomuser | #topic Roll Call | 14:00 |
| * Capesteve is here | 14:01 | |
| randomuser | good morning to those it applies to | 14:01 |
| randomuser | and hello to the others :) | 14:02 |
| Capesteve | Good morning | 14:02 |
| Capesteve | GDTY covers all | 14:02 |
| * randomuser nods | 14:02 | |
| randomuser | i've heard that one... it seems so generic | 14:02 |
| jjmcd | 14:03 | |
| Capesteve | from the days of Telex | 14:03 |
| * pkovar is here | 14:03 | |
| randomuser | i see bcotton lurking | 14:05 |
| randomuser | Sparks, Sparks_t1o , are you here? | 14:05 |
| * bcotton is here | 14:05 | |
| * jjmcd is working a widespread flooding incident - only partly paying attention | 14:05 | |
| randomuser | thanks for turning out, jjmcd | 14:07 |
| randomuser | #topic follow up on action items | 14:07 |
| randomuser | one item here - I was to mail the list about using bugs to track Changes | 14:07 |
| randomuser | which I did - it seems like a good place to start discussion | 14:07 |
| randomuser | #topic Using Bugzilla to track Changes | 14:08 |
| randomuser | The idea is to give us, and other groups, a centralized way to track rthe Changes process. bugzilla appears to be the best tool we have in production to do this. | 14:08 |
| randomuser | Any thoughts? unnecessary work, or wonderful idea? | 14:09 |
| randomuser | Capesteve, pkovar how do you guys track your upcoming work? | 14:11 |
| Capesteve | bugzilla mostly | 14:11 |
| Capesteve | more and more using bugzilla | 14:11 |
| randomuser | tracking bugs / assignments as much as user-driven reports, then? | 14:12 |
| pkovar | tracking bugs, yes | 14:12 |
| Capesteve | Some planing was done in using other tools, but we turn our tasks into bugs | 14:13 |
| randomuser | does it seem effective? any obvious pitfalls to it? | 14:13 |
| Capesteve | brain storming, wish lists can be done in a collab tool of choice, but distill the action items into bugs | 14:14 |
| randomuser | i like that idea, but out scale doesn't really require it for general use | 14:15 |
| randomuser | s/out/our | 14:15 |
| Capesteve | I think etherpad for a week or so, then store the agreed action in a wiki page might be enough for you | 14:16 |
| * randomuser nods | 14:16 | |
| Capesteve | but don't use wiki for things that change a lot | 14:16 |
| randomuser | there probably is a wiki page, somewhere, we could use | 14:16 |
| Capesteve | wait till you agree its at "1st draft" stage | 14:17 |
| pkovar | it looks like etherpard is not used that much in fedora.. for some reason. is there a fedora instance of etherpad somewhere? | 14:18 |
| randomuser | we have a gobby instance, though it doesn't get much use | 14:18 |
| randomuser | at least not by docs people | 14:18 |
| pkovar | aha | 14:18 |
| pkovar | ah, i see it's a desktop app | 14:19 |
| randomuser | I've only used it a couple times | 14:20 |
| pkovar | a web app works better for this purpose i think | 14:20 |
| randomuser | yeah, the barrier to use would be less | 14:20 |
| randomuser | with etherpad, you can just share a link | 14:21 |
| * randomuser isn't seeing any reason not to use BZ for tracking Changes | 14:21 | |
| randomuser | #topic Beat Assignments | 14:23 |
| randomuser | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats | 14:23 |
| randomuser | Beats are still open | 14:23 |
| randomuser | people are working on them, i see | 14:24 |
| randomuser | i've been doing some research on the unclaimed ones, it's a daunting task | 14:24 |
| randomuser | ... | 14:25 |
| randomuser | #topic Search for fp.o | 14:26 |
| jjmcd | Is there a Tech Notes available? | 14:26 |
| randomuser | jjmcd, not at this point, but I could spin one up today | 14:27 |
| jjmcd | I plan to hit embedded, circuits, etc. But I could use other tools | 14:27 |
| jjmcd | Tech notes makes it easier, tho | 14:27 |
| randomuser | sure, I'll take care of that this evening | 14:28 |
| jjmcd | thanks | 14:28 |
| randomuser | jjmcd, I'm more willing to do things like that than I am likely to remember what needs to be done :P | 14:28 |
| jjmcd | I resemble that! | 14:28 |
| * randomuser smirks | 14:29 | |
| randomuser | nirik, are you around to talk about search stuffs? | 14:29 |
| nirik | I'm here (barely), but don't have much news to report on that... | 14:29 |
| randomuser | fair enough, thanks | 14:29 |
| * randomuser slides a mug of coffee over to nirik | 14:29 | |
| randomuser | hmm.. the author representation in the brand could use some more list time, i think | 14:30 |
| randomuser | pkovar, would you like to talk about the user guide? | 14:31 |
| pkovar | randomuser: ok | 14:31 |
| randomuser | #topic retiring the user guide | 14:31 |
| pkovar | i think we got mostly positive feedback | 14:31 |
| nb | +1 | 14:31 |
| pkovar | on retiring the guide | 14:31 |
| * Sparks is here | 14:32 | |
| pkovar | that is: closing the bugs | 14:32 |
| pkovar | and | 14:32 |
| pkovar | updating the guide table | 14:32 |
| randomuser | I'm +1 for this | 14:33 |
| pkovar | (and point people to DE's user help when appropriate) | 14:33 |
| randomuser | expecially with gnome-initial-setup | 14:33 |
| pkovar | right | 14:33 |
| randomuser | pkovar, are you planning on handling the bugs? | 14:34 |
| pkovar | randomuser: yes, i will close them (all) :) | 14:34 |
| randomuser | pkovar, cool, thanks. Keep an eye out for bugs that might conceivably apply to guides we *do* maintain, please | 14:35 |
| pkovar | sure | 14:35 |
| randomuser | Sparks, hello, do have anything for us? | 14:36 |
| randomuser | #chair Sparks | 14:36 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: Sparks randomuser | 14:36 |
| randomuser | we'll touch on bugs in the meantime | 14:37 |
| randomuser | #topic outstanding BZ tickets | 14:37 |
| randomuser | http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 | 14:38 |
| randomuser | we have some bugs | 14:38 |
| randomuser | any of concern? | 14:38 |
| Sparks | . | 14:41 |
| Sparks | I know of an easy way to close all the user-guide bugs if you'd like me to do so | 14:41 |
| pkovar | me too :-) | 14:41 |
| Sparks | pkovar: Okay, just checking | 14:42 |
| randomuser | heh, glad I didn't volunteer for it, then | 14:42 |
| kushal | Sparks, may be a python script | 14:42 |
| Sparks | No, bugzilla lets you modify multiple bugs at once | 14:42 |
| Sparks | kushal: Make it do the work for you | 14:42 |
| randomuser | #topic Open Floor | 14:44 |
| randomuser | alright, folks, go nuts | 14:44 |
| randomuser | I'm sure there's something I've forgotten | 14:44 |
| jreznik | ops, /me missed docs meeting :( sorry guys | 14:46 |
| randomuser | jreznik, the floor is yours, if you have anything | 14:46 |
| jreznik | randomuser: just re-read the tracking part - do you have a plan how to proceed? | 14:47 |
| jreznik | for alpha - anything still needed from docs? I see release notes now links to announcement, I'd say it makes sense | 14:47 |
| randomuser | jreznik, I'm thinking that when the time comes, we assign someone to create bugs for each Change and wrangle writers for them | 14:48 |
| randomuser | I'm not sure what else we need to plan in that context | 14:49 |
| randomuser | jreznik, I don't have much ready for alpha, regrettably, but I don't see why that should hold anything up | 14:50 |
| jreznik | seems reasonable, the same I do for devels and I can help you too with wrangling docs (just I don't have an overview of who to assign what but ... definitely I'm here) | 14:50 |
| randomuser | jreznik, we can use the beats table as a rough guide, but it might be best to ask for volunteers | 14:51 |
| randomuser | at least until we ease people into the idea of checking for bugs assigned to them | 14:52 |
| jreznik | beats owner + asking people if they are willing to do it is probably the best thing - at least for beginning | 14:52 |
| jreznik | thank you very much randomuser, I think docs are pretty well covered - I'd like to start as soon as possible, now to make marketing meeting today and ;-) | 14:53 |
| * randomuser nods | 14:54 | |
| randomuser | You're an excellent wrangler, jreznik, thanks for your help | 14:54 |
| * randomuser really benefits from the occasional prodding | 14:55 | |
| randomuser | just a few minutes left, last call on the open floor | 14:55 |
| randomuser | thanks for coming, everyone! | 14:59 |
| randomuser | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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