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Attendees
- adamw (100)
- nirik (20)
- jreiser (10)
- satellit_e (10)
- jreznik (9)
- Viking-Ice (7)
- Martix (6)
- tflink (5)
- zodbot (4)
- brunowolff (3)
- jskladan (1)
- mkrizek (1)
- Guest15468 (1)
- pschindl (1)
- viking-ice (0)
Agenda
- Previous meeting follow-up
- Fedora 19 Beta status
- Test Days
- Open floor
Previous meeting follow-up
- martix or adamw to write a Graphics Test Week recap email - unfortunately still not done, we will definitely get it done soon
- tflink to write a list post announcing the blocker bug proposal webapp - this was not done yet either
- adamw to look into Test_Day:2013-04-30_MariaDB lack of participation and see if we should re-run it - this also had not been done yet
- brunowolff to re-test bug #909473 and re-open if it's still bad - we were not sure whether Bruno had done this
Fedora 19 Beta status
- Beta RC2 was in testing, some likely blocker bugs had been found but not too many
- Go/No-Go was scheduled for Thursday 2013-05-23
- adamw noted that an 'update with yum' test case in the base matrix would be a good idea
Test Days
- Test_Day:2013-05-21_AnacondaNewUI_Followup looked ready or close to ready, and seemed to have some good test cases that could be adopted into the validation test plans
- Test_Day:2013-05-23_Thermostat shell was in place, but many test cases missing
Open floor
- We now have a calendar in Fedocal
- Bugzilla was updated to 4.4. Among the notable changes: longer alias names, and needinfo bugs will now email the 'needinfo'd party weekly
Action items
- nirik to work on revising the 'desktop updates' test case to be more generic
- martix to co-ordinate with Thermostat test day runners to make sure they'll be ready or postpone the event
- nirik to remove F20 from bugzilla for now
IRC Log
| adamw | #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting | 15:01 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon May 20 15:01:45 2013 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:01 |
| adamw | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:01 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:01 |
| adamw | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
| adamw | *beep* No signal. Unable to call "roll". | 15:02 |
| jreiser | here | 15:02 |
| * satellit_e listening | 15:02 | |
| * Viking-Ice here | 15:02 | |
| * pschindl is here | 15:02 | |
| adamw | morning folks | 15:03 |
| adamw | anyone else? | 15:03 |
| * jreznik is here | 15:03 | |
| adamw | morning jreznik | 15:04 |
| adamw | #chair jreznik viking-ice | 15:04 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: adamw jreznik viking-ice | 15:04 |
| adamw | #topic Previous meeting follow-up | 15:04 |
| adamw | #info "martix or adamw to write a Graphics Test Week recap email" - yeah, failed that again. I'll just move it to a personal todo and stop boring the meeting with it | 15:05 |
| * mkrizek is here | 15:05 | |
| adamw | #info "tflink to write a list post announcing the blocker bug proposal webapp" - I don't believe he did this yet | 15:06 |
| Martix | oh, that is my fault, but feel free to do it | 15:06 |
| tflink | unfortunately, no | 15:06 |
| adamw | #info "adamw to look into Test_Day:2013-04-30_MariaDB lack of participation and see if we should re-run it" - continuing the festival of fail: nope | 15:06 |
| adamw | "brunowolff to re-test bug #909473 and re-open if it's still bad" | 15:06 |
| adamw | i don't see any comments in there' | 15:07 |
| adamw | wow, well we're clearly doing a bang-up job :) | 15:07 |
| adamw | #info "brunowolff to re-test bug #909473 and re-open if it's still bad" - not sure if he did this yet | 15:07 |
| tflink | well, festivals are fun | 15:07 |
| adamw | and that's the important lesson, kids. | 15:07 |
| adamw | anyhow, moving swiftly on! | 15:08 |
| adamw | #topic Fedora 19 Beta status | 15:08 |
| adamw | so, in "less sucky" news...beta looking pretty decent | 15:08 |
| Guest15468 | I did a quick retest with the games spin on the intel machine and things looked OK. I haven't retested on AMD/AMD machine yet. | 15:09 |
| adamw | '#info Beta RC2 is currently in testing, some likely blocker bugs have been found but not too many | 15:09 |
| adamw | Guest15468: aha, thanks | 15:09 |
| adamw | #info Beta RC2 is currently in testing, some likely blocker bugs have been found but not too many | 15:09 |
| adamw | #info Go/No-Go is scheduled for Thursday 2013-05-23 | 15:09 |
| adamw | anyone have anything to note/discuss on beta? | 15:10 |
| * satellit_e still trying to fix soas spin | 15:10 | |
| jreznik | thanks for mentioning go/no-go, adamw | 15:10 |
| jreiser | corner cases still bad: 955779 no desktop on RV280; 962086 cannot skip bootloader; n-i-bz: grub2 requires LBA | 15:11 |
| adamw | yeah, i've been trying to get bcl to fix the bootloader thing | 15:11 |
| * jskladan lurks | 15:12 | |
| adamw | jreiser: that rv280 one of yours look nutty | 15:12 |
| jreiser | Yeah rv280 is nutty. I can run gdb, but need direction on effective debug | 15:12 |
| adamw | jreiser: is it actually using the radeon driver? | 15:13 |
| adamw | because I think RV280 should be blacklisted | 15:14 |
| jreiser | it claims to be using ati. | 15:14 |
| brunowolff | It should be using llvmpipe when using gnome-shell. | 15:15 |
| adamw | jreiser: hmm. do you have it handy? can you fpaste 'glxinfo'? | 15:15 |
| jreiser | yes, llvmpipe is ON. | 15:15 |
| nirik | so, I have a thing at some point to mention... ;) The desktop updates tests are pretty gnome centric. ;) Would there be any interest in alternate tests for other desktops? | 15:15 |
| nirik | or genericizing the existing one | 15:15 |
| jreiser | I have seen the generated sse2 code. | 15:15 |
| adamw | nirik: genericizing the existing one would be great, assuming you can play the balance between genericness and usefulness | 15:15 |
| jreiser | The box is not up now; will boot, then try for glxinfo. | 15:15 |
| nirik | ok, I can try and take a stab at it. | 15:16 |
| brunowolff | My machine is different in that I don't have SSE2 on my CPUs. | 15:16 |
| nirik | propose to the list? | 15:16 |
| adamw | nirik: if the changes are significant, sure | 15:16 |
| adamw | brunowolff: that was one of the bugs that came up earlier | 15:16 |
| adamw | right? | 15:16 |
| * nirik nods | 15:16 | |
| satellit_e | tests for sugar-desktop would be very different than for other DE's | 15:16 |
| adamw | jreiser: well what we're saying is it should be using llvmpipe *not native acceleration* | 15:17 |
| adamw | satellit: the update tests are greyed for SoaS on the basis it doesn't have a graphical updater | 15:17 |
| satellit_e | ok | 15:17 |
| adamw | satellit: is there a 'rule' about how you update sugar? | 15:17 |
| satellit_e | yum update from root | 15:17 |
| jreiser | g-i-s gets alpha-blended shadows. after that, gnome-shell eats CPU for 5 minutes before timing out with no change in graphics display | 15:18 |
| jreznik | nirik: well, all test cases are more gnome-centric - I'm trying to use some common sense :) | 15:18 |
| nirik | jreznik: the updates ones are even more so tho. ;) For example, Xfce doesn't even ship PK... | 15:18 |
| jreiser | adamw: 'glxinfo' requires access to display. Cannot get display. now what? | 15:18 |
| satellit_e | adamw: actually there is a sugar control panel to update the activities in sugar | 15:18 |
| adamw | satellit: oh, interesting | 15:19 |
| adamw | so we could probably do with looking at that too... | 15:19 |
| adamw | jreiser: you have to run glxinfo from within an x session, yeah...maybe try a KDE one :) but we can debug in the bug I guess. | 15:19 |
| adamw | jreznik: nirik: in general, genericizing them is a good thing. i'm aiming to make revising a lot of the existing test cases my Big Project for post-f19 pre-f20 | 15:20 |
| adamw | there's quite a lot of other stuff needs doing, like writing some partitioning test cases, adding a yum test case, a buncha stuff. | 15:20 |
| satellit_e | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/thumb/e/e3/Screenshot_of_Software_Update.png/700px-Screenshot_of_Software_Update.png | 15:20 |
| adamw | if anyone wants to work on any of that now, of course :) | 15:20 |
| * nirik nods again. | 15:20 | |
| adamw | satellit: does that only update sugar activities, though? not the base system? | 15:21 |
| satellit_e | yes the update for sugar-desktop is in sugar-terminal root yum update | 15:21 |
| satellit_e | FYI http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials/Introduction_to_the_Sugar_Interface | 15:22 |
| adamw | okay | 15:23 |
| adamw | so adding a yum testcase to 'base' is indicated there as well. | 15:24 |
| adamw | #info we could do with a 'update with yum' test case in the base matrix | 15:24 |
| nirik | xfce (and I think lxde and possibly others) use yumex... it just has a update thing... but it doesn't do notifications, so none of the gui notify stuff applies. | 15:24 |
| adamw | #action nirik to work on revising the 'desktop updates' test case to be more generic | 15:24 |
| adamw | nirik: it's easy enough to just make that 'if your desktop provides...' | 15:24 |
| satellit_e | mate uses yumex also | 15:24 |
| nirik | yeah, ok. so, update that one and make a seperate non gui/yum one? | 15:25 |
| jreiser | adamw: rv280 glxinfo is http://paste.fedoraproject.org/13201/90635761 | 15:26 |
| adamw | nirik: that's where i'd go with it, yeah | 15:26 |
| adamw | nirik: the yum test would be in the Base matrix rather than the Desktop matrix | 15:27 |
| nirik | will try and do so, if anyone else wants to first, feel free. | 15:27 |
| adamw | alrighty | 15:29 |
| adamw | anything else on Beta, folks? | 15:29 |
| adamw | well then | 15:32 |
| adamw | #topic Test Days | 15:32 |
| adamw | so, frantic work appears to be underway on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-21_AnacondaNewUI_Followup | 15:32 |
| adamw | speaking of partitioning test cases...there's some stuff to yoink | 15:33 |
| adamw | so looks like 'mganisin', who is Marian Ganisin from RH in brno, is doing a lot of work on this one | 15:34 |
| adamw | jreznik / pschindl, are you in touch with that? | 15:34 |
| * nirik is reminded to look at the feature page and try and help get it fully finished. | 15:35 | |
| jreznik | adamw: I talked to them when they started planning it, I'll try to get in touch to see what are the plans right now | 15:36 |
| adamw | #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-21_AnacondaNewUI_Followup looks ready or close to ready | 15:36 |
| adamw | #info NewUI_Followup test day also has some useful test cases for anaconda that we should adopt into the matrices (though we need to revise them into correct format) | 15:37 |
| adamw | if people can try to spread the word a bit about the test day that'd be great | 15:38 |
| * jreznik is going to do some marketing over our asocial networks groups | 15:39 | |
| adamw | hehe | 15:39 |
| adamw | i'll post in my usual places | 15:39 |
| adamw | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-23_Thermostat looks to have a shell in place, but they haven't written most of their test cases yet | 15:41 |
| adamw | has anyone been working with them on that? | 15:41 |
| adamw | Martix: do you have time to check in and help them complete the page or delay the event, or are you busy? | 15:42 |
| Martix | adamw: I can ask them in ticket on their status | 15:44 |
| adamw | it might be best to try a bit more proactively to get in touch, at least if they don't respond there | 15:44 |
| Martix | then poke them on IRC :-) | 15:45 |
| adamw | yeah, he's not online atm | 15:48 |
| adamw | #action martix to co-ordinate with Thermostat test day runners to make sure they'll be ready or postpone the event | 15:48 |
| adamw | #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-23_Thermostat page shell is in place, but many test cases missing | 15:49 |
| adamw | #topic Open floor | 15:49 |
| adamw | anything for open floor, folks? | 15:49 |
| tflink | we have a QA calendar | 15:49 |
| tflink | https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/QA/ | 15:49 |
| tflink | not much on it ATM | 15:50 |
| nirik | so, there's a new bugzilla version. | 15:50 |
| nirik | one change I thought I would mention because I bet lots of people will find out about it soon: needinfo bugs will now mail reminders to the suppy the info. ;) | 15:50 |
| adamw | yep | 15:51 |
| adamw | that'll be fun | 15:51 |
| nirik | weekly. | 15:51 |
| nirik | yeah | 15:51 |
| adamw | #info Bugzilla has been updated to 4.4. Among the notable changes: longer alias names, and needinfo bugs will now email the 'needinfo'd party weekly | 15:52 |
| adamw | on the up side, we can use the intended alias names for freeze exception bugs now | 15:54 |
| adamw | (F19BetaFreezeException not F19BetaFreezeExcept for e.g.) | 15:54 |
| adamw | so i'll change that | 15:54 |
| Viking-Ice | can the calender app be hooked up to various mail clients and google calender etc or is this just completely standalone app? | 15:54 |
| Viking-Ice | ( which makes it totally useless ) | 15:54 |
| adamw | Viking-Ice: it can export ICS at least, which you can import into anything else | 15:54 |
| adamw | i don't know if it has caldav support | 15:55 |
| Martix | adamw: just a note, I don't see any devels on Anaconda Test Day, only QA | 15:55 |
| Viking-Ice | maybe we would be better of just to use google calender instead | 15:55 |
| nirik | yes, you can hook it up to anything that uses ical... google calendar can just fine. | 15:55 |
| Viking-Ice | which hooks up to tablets and phones | 15:55 |
| adamw | Martix: yeah, i'll try and get bcl to come along | 15:55 |
| Martix | I think mkolman would volunteer | 15:56 |
| adamw | Martix: or, yeah, if there's gonna be a lot of testing in brno, someone from brno | 15:56 |
| Martix | mkolman: feel free to write yourself as developer on this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-21_AnacondaNewUI_Followup | 15:56 |
| adamw | Viking-Ice: and of course Skynet :) | 15:56 |
| adamw | nirik: do we have a QA fedocal yet? tflink was working on it with you, right | 15:57 |
| nirik | adamw: yes, as he noted above it's there now. ;) | 15:57 |
| nirik | you can also subscribe to all calendars | 15:57 |
| adamw | goddamnit, i'm not drunk enough yet. | 15:57 |
| adamw | #info QA has a calendar in the fedocal system at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/QA/ | 15:58 |
| adamw | are we planning to migrate the schedule stuff to fedocal? F20? F21? | 15:58 |
| adamw | jreznik: ^^^ | 15:58 |
| Viking-Ice | so what's up with version 20 being offered in bugzilla when we have not even branched yet? | 16:00 |
| adamw | yeah, I dunno about that | 16:00 |
| jreznik | adamw: it's uploaded there | 16:00 |
| adamw | might be fallout from the 4.4 migration | 16:00 |
| jreznik | adamw: in fedocal - not ideal right now, I have to take a loko | 16:00 |
| adamw | oop, we're over time | 16:01 |
| adamw | we're doing blocker review in #fedora-blocker-review next, though I forgot to announce it (sorry) | 16:01 |
| * nirik noticed the 20 as well, I didn't add it, perhaps we should remove it? | 16:01 | |
| adamw | nirik: probably | 16:01 |
| brunowolff | I think that happened before the migration (at least the downtime), as I noticed that about 2 days ago. | 16:02 |
| jreznik | nirik: yes please | 16:02 |
| adamw | #action nirik to remove F20 from bugzilla for now | 16:02 |
| Viking-Ice | wont removing it affect bugs if assigned to that? | 16:03 |
| adamw | they should just get moved to rawhide, that shouldn't be hard | 16:03 |
| jreznik | yep, rawhide and I have a script if it will be needed (not sure it still works with a new bz) | 16:04 |
| adamw | i guess you'll find out :) | 16:05 |
| adamw | ok, let's all head over to #fedora-blocker-review for some blocker review | 16:05 |
| adamw | thanks for coming, folks | 16:05 |
| * nirik looks to see if there's actually any in it yet. | 16:06 | |
| adamw | #endmeeting | 16:07 |
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