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Attendees
- adamw (65)
- kparal (19)
- mjg59 (12)
- jreznik (11)
- tflink (9)
- brunowolff (5)
- zodbot (5)
- j_dulaney (3)
- satellit (3)
- jskladan (1)
- nirik (1)
Agenda
- Previous meeting follow-up
- Fedora 19 Final planning
- Test Days
- Open floor
Previous meeting follow-up
- adamw and anyone else to work on updating Common_F19_bugs - this was done, page is up to date for Beta
- adamw to talk to rbergeron and make sure packagekit/policykit issue makes it into the beta release notes - this was done, issue was called out in the release announcement, slashdot has not crucified us
- adamw to complete 'new model' criteria revision by converting the final criteria - this is currently in progress, aimed to be complete by Wednesday's blocker review meeting
- tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI - not done yet, but planned soon
- tflink to schedule first blocker review meeting for this week - this was done, the meeting went ahead
- adamw to look at extracting some test cases from Test_Day:2013-05-21_AnacondaNewUI_Followup for use as optional test cases (or even enforceable partitioning test cases) for the validation matrices - not done yet, but more of a long-term goal for F20
- martix to ensure spice test day is ready on time - it was ready and went ahead fine
- satellit_e to work on some test cases for SoaS - an initial plan is available
Fedora 19 Final planning
- TC1 was due 2013-06-04, adamw would ensure it got composed
- mjg59 informed us a kernel patch is coming which ought to resolve most of the UEFI variable space issues; it should be included in TC1
Test Days
- Test_Day:2013-05-28_Virtualization and Test_Day:2013-05-30_Spice both went off quite successfully, we saw testing and developer feedback in both
- Test_Day:2013-06-04_Network_Manager and Test_Day:2013-06-06_FreeIPA_Two_Factor_Authentication both looked ready to go, kparal was working on a live image for NM test day
Open floor
Action items
- adamw to mark LLVMpipe-without-SSE2 bug as needing a release note and explain why to docs team
IRC Log
| adamw | #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting | 15:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Jun 3 15:00:50 2013 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
| adamw | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:00 |
| adamw | #topic Roll call | 15:00 |
| adamw | morning folks, who's ready for fun? | 15:01 |
| * jreznik is ready for another meeting in a row | 15:01 | |
| * jskladan tips his hat | 15:01 | |
| * j_dulaney lurks | 15:01 | |
| * satellit listening in Bellingham motel | 15:01 | |
| tflink | jreznik: /me is here | 15:01 |
| tflink | huh, that didn't work | 15:02 |
| * kparal here | 15:02 | |
| * brunowolff is here | 15:04 | |
| * nirik is lurking as well | 15:04 | |
| * adamw really needs to get that anti-lurking kit installed | 15:05 | |
| * jreznik is working on an announcement for the devel-announce list, needs anti-lurking kit as he's more lurking now :) | 15:05 | |
| adamw | #topic previous meeting follow-up | 15:06 |
| adamw | #info "adamw and anyone else to work on updating Common_F19_bugs" - I got that one done, it's pretty much up to date | 15:07 |
| adamw | #info "adamw to talk to rbergeron and make sure packagekit/policykit issue makes it into the beta release notes" - yup, got a mention of it into the release announcement, and no crazy slashdot conspiracy theories yet | 15:07 |
| adamw | #info "adamw to complete 'new model' criteria revision by converting the final criteria" - I started working on that Friday, I'll aim to complete it today or tomorrow | 15:07 |
| adamw | "tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI" - tflink? | 15:08 |
| tflink | not done yet, on my todo list for today | 15:08 |
| adamw | .fire tflink first of the week | 15:09 |
| zodbot | adamw fires tflink first of the week | 15:09 |
| adamw | aw, no bot in here? boo. | 15:09 |
| adamw | yay! | 15:09 |
| adamw | #info "tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI" - not done yet but should be soon | 15:09 |
| adamw | #info "tflink to schedule first blocker review meeting for this week" - that was done, we had two review meetings last week | 15:10 |
| adamw | #info "adamw to look at extracting some test cases from Test_Day:2013-05-21_AnacondaNewUI_Followup for use as optional test cases (or even enforceable partitioning test cases) for the validation matrices" - not done yet but it's kind of a long-term plan, it's on my todo list | 15:10 |
| adamw | #info "martix to ensure spice test day is ready on time" - that seemed to be sorted out fine | 15:10 |
| adamw | #info "satellit_e to work on some test cases for SoaS" - satellit drafted up some ideas at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_19-sugar_test_cases | 15:11 |
| satellit | SoaS test cases? list of ideas http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_19-sugar_test_cases | 15:12 |
| satellit | : ) | 15:12 |
| adamw | :) | 15:12 |
| adamw | sorry i didn't get a sec to review them yet, i'll do it today | 15:12 |
| adamw | any other follow-up items I missed? | 15:12 |
| brunowolff | I retested llvmpipe on a particular non-SSE2 CPU and it's still broken. | 15:13 |
| adamw | ah yeah I saw your comment | 15:16 |
| adamw | that's a bit of a pain. and you might be right about advising people with old machines to grab something other than GNOME | 15:16 |
| adamw | we could probably mark the bug as requiring a release note for that | 15:16 |
| adamw | #action adamw to mark LLVMpipe-without-SSE2 bug as needing a release note and explain why to docs team | 15:17 |
| adamw | #topic Fedora 19 Final planning | 15:19 |
| adamw | #info TC1 is due tomorrow, 2013-06-04, I will request the compose then | 15:20 |
| adamw | do we have any major worries at this point, or things we need to get in place soon? | 15:20 |
| * adamw can't think of anything urgent beyond the revised criteria | 15:20 | |
| kparal | the sooner we have TC1 the better. let's request today :) | 15:21 |
| tflink | have we done much upgrade testing? I've seen several comments and bugs, but wasn't sure how much poking has been done so far | 15:21 |
| * jreznik would not be against requesting it sooner, if there's nothing we really want in tc1 | 15:21 | |
| kparal | I did some upgrade testing on UEFI | 15:21 |
| jreznik | poor kparal touching UEFI | 15:22 |
| * kparal now has a master's degree in bios re-flashing | 15:23 | |
| adamw | tflink: quite a few people have run fedup I think, and we did fill the matrix for beta | 15:24 |
| adamw | kparal: :) | 15:24 |
| tflink | adamw: yeah, I was just thinking about the less-straightforward configs that ended up causing trouble after F18 release | 15:24 |
| mjg59 | adamw: We should finally have a patch that resolves most of the UEFI variable issues | 15:25 |
| adamw | right, that's another area we could do with more test cases | 15:26 |
| adamw | mjg59: yay! so there _were_ still issues on the kenrel side? | 15:26 |
| adamw | what's the timeframe on landing that? | 15:26 |
| mjg59 | adamw: Well, no. Issues on the firmware side. | 15:26 |
| kparal | mjg59: what are the changes? | 15:26 |
| mjg59 | But I have finally come up with an elegant mechanism for making the damn things do what we want | 15:26 |
| jreznik | mjg59: and how much you can do with fw side? | 15:26 |
| jreznik | mjg59: nice to hear! | 15:27 |
| mjg59 | kparal: Change the threshold from 50% to 5KB, do something magic which will (in theory) force the firmware to trigger garbage collection | 15:27 |
| kparal | mjg59: sounds good. can we expect a blogpost about the details? | 15:27 |
| mjg59 | kparal: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/25091.html | 15:27 |
| jreznik | mjg59: what do you achieve by changing 50% to 5 KB? | 15:27 |
| kparal | mjg59: thanks! | 15:28 |
| mjg59 | jreznik: It's less than the maximum variable size, so we can create a new variable that's larger than the remaining space | 15:29 |
| mjg59 | Or, rather, attempt to | 15:29 |
| kparal | mjg59: does it mean that kernel panics will never again be stored in uefi nvram, too risky? | 15:29 |
| * jreznik is reading the blog post | 15:29 | |
| mjg59 | kparal: No, we should be safe in doing that | 15:29 |
| adamw | mjg59: any news on the timeframe? | 15:29 |
| mjg59 | adamw: It's on LKML, jwb has a scratch build | 15:30 |
| mjg59 | kparal: That's currently disabled because it turns out the code is shit (which may be, uh, my fault) | 15:30 |
| adamw | mjg59: well, I mean, getting it in an official f19 kernel build | 15:31 |
| mjg59 | adamw: Once we've got confirmation from some testing of the scratch build | 15:31 |
| adamw | kparal: hint hint :) | 15:32 |
| jreznik | kparal: hint, hint ^^^ | 15:32 |
| kparal | thanks guys | 15:32 |
| jreznik | adamw: hey, you were faster! | 15:32 |
| adamw | .fire jreznik there can be only one | 15:32 |
| zodbot | adamw fires jreznik there can be only one | 15:32 |
| kparal | mjg59: can you give us a link to that scratch build? | 15:32 |
| mjg59 | Linked from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=964335 | 15:33 |
| adamw | #info mjg59 informs us a kernel patch is coming which ought to resolve most of the UEFI variable space issues. scratch build for testing linked from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=964335 | 15:33 |
| adamw | thanks matt! | 15:33 |
| kparal | I'll try to understand the blogpost and then test the build | 15:33 |
| * jreznik thinks he understands what mjg59 wants to achieve, hopes firmwares will be cooperative :) | 15:34 | |
| adamw | #topic Test Days | 15:34 |
| adamw | #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-28_Virtualization and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-30_Spice both went off pretty successfully last week, i saw lots of active testing on both | 15:35 |
| adamw | although - kparal, next time check in with the virt folks on the details of the live image; we kinda needed it to be installable for virt testing | 15:36 |
| kparal | they didn't say | 15:36 |
| kparal | why we need anaconda? | 15:36 |
| adamw | they weren't aware we dropped anaconda from test day lives | 15:36 |
| adamw | well, because you can't really do virt hosting from a live session | 15:36 |
| adamw | unless you have like 32GB of RAM | 15:36 |
| adamw | we just told people to use the beta lives and that worked out fine, so it wasn't a big deal | 15:37 |
| kparal | I see | 15:37 |
| kparal | in that case maybe a tailored Live wasn't needed at all | 15:37 |
| adamw | yeah, maybe | 15:37 |
| adamw | like i said, it didn't turn out to be a big problem, just a note | 15:37 |
| kparal | I'm waiting for dcbw to give me a list of packages for tomorrow's test day so that I can build a Live image for them | 15:38 |
| kparal | FreeIPA test day should be good, they're creating the image themselves | 15:38 |
| adamw | cool; | 15:38 |
| adamw | #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-06-04_Network_Manager page looks ready, kparal is working on the live image | 15:39 |
| adamw | #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-06-06_FreeIPA_Two_Factor_Authentication looks ready to go | 15:39 |
| adamw | any other test day notes from anyone? | 15:39 |
| adamw | #topic Open floor | 15:42 |
| adamw | welp, here we are folks, any other business/ | 15:42 |
| tflink | nothing I can think of, no | 15:42 |
| adamw | tflink: we have rather a lot of proposed blockers; should we do blocker review next? | 15:43 |
| tflink | probably, yes | 15:44 |
| kparal | oh, I hoped you wouldn't ask :) | 15:44 |
| tflink | that looks like at least 3 hours of fun | 15:44 |
| * tflink gets started on prep | 15:44 | |
| adamw | kparal: c'mon, you know I never miss blocker review fun | 15:45 |
| kparal | well, I don't miss it either | 15:46 |
| * j_dulaney is off | 15:46 | |
| j_dulaney | Apologies for not participating | 15:46 |
| adamw | so that's blocker review fun in bat-channel #fedora-blocker-review at the top of the clock, folks | 15:47 |
| adamw | strap yourselves in | 15:47 |
| brunowolff | Note that if you are using rawhide kernels on f19, the grub(2) conf files don't (and won't) get updated. | 15:48 |
| adamw | oh, yeah, that bug's worth a call-out | 15:48 |
| adamw | do you have the number handy? | 15:48 |
| brunowolff | I can find it. I think it is closed though. | 15:49 |
| adamw | welp, sounds like that's everything | 15:54 |
| adamw | blocker review in 5 minutes folks, thanks for coming! | 15:54 |
| brunowolff | While looking, it looks like they might have pushed the fixed systemd to f19 today. Yeah! | 15:54 |
| adamw | yay! | 15:54 |
| adamw | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
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