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This is an archive of discussion of a Hackfest at FUDConF10.

Project Goals

The goal of this project is to provide a fedoraproject.org hosted application that will allow:

anyone to learn about what spins are and how to use them
users to be able to browse, download, and start using spins
developers to customize & build their own spins
spin reviewers to approve/deny incoming spin submissions
administrators to control the build process
Fedora project members to track and view metrics on which Spins are most popular

The overarching goal of spins is to make Fedora more accessible to folks who want to try it as it's a no risk way to 'install' Fedora, as well as to provide a mechanism for customizing Fedora for specific tasks to showcase its abilities (for example, the Electronics spin or the Art Studio spin.)

Project Team

Members

If you would like to join, please add your name below and apply to the Spins Websites group in the Fedora Accounts system. The following people are signed up for tasks related to this project so they are considered members of the project team:

Clint Savage (herlo)
Ian Weller (ianweller)
Jeroen van Meeuwen (kanarip)
Máirín Duffy (mizmo)
Max Spevack (spevack)
Ricky Zhou (ricky)

Status

Project	Assignees	Next Milestone	Status Summary
Finish workflows for each use case	mizmo	7 July 2008 - next team meeting	Almost finished with 'user' use case; need to do devel, reviewer, and admin
Finish wireframes for key pages	mizmo	7 July 2008	Wireframe for home completed, need to start wireframe for others including 'My Spins' and 'Search'
Create What is a spin content	herlo	7 July 2008	Some progress has been made, see What is a spin page.
Collect all spins on BT (short-term hack)	spevack	7 July 2008	?
spins.fp.o test instance	spevack & ricky	7 July 2008	?
Patch "Get Fedora"	spevack	7 July 2008	In the process of being redone, so it should get added in
Search, s.fp.o front page, individual pages HTML/CSS	mizmo & ianweller	7 July 2008	need to finish wireframes and mockups first
Search backend, metadata	herlo	7 July 2008	?
FEL, Games, XFCE for F9 on BT	kanarip	7 July 2008	?

Who?

tinkerer
live USBs
developers to build more spins
spin user
spin reviewer
potential spin builders

Tasks we want end-users and devs to do

Get details on a spin
Modify spin details
Find spin you like
Download spin
Build spin
add spin to site (unofficially)
apply for official status
- submit
- review
- pass/fail
Review spins and approve
Gardening/which are being updated?
Voting/popularity
- Find the "coolest" spins
- Mozilla addons as a model
Discontinue spins?
View security vulnerabilities
Download kickstart file and extra scripts that were submitted
Spin diffing
Howto for revisor
"Make my Fedora this" -- one click install with metapackages and PackageKit
"I use this spin" sticker to put on blog or what have you
Advertise
Based on Fedora and *only* Fedora?

Example users

Joe -- artist

Read about spins
- from blogs?
Go to spins.fpo
See popular spins, categories, and what a spin is
1. What are all spins? (generally)
  - What do they do?
  - Why do I need it?
  - Why don't I just use plain Fedora?
  - How do I use it?
  - How do I download
  - Screencast/video
  - Live vs. installed
  - Link to directory
2. Expanded view on individual spins
  - Comments
  - Digg-style voting
  - Karma++
  - What's in it
  - Link back to what a spin is and how to use

So...

What does Joe need?
- idea of what he wants
- fedora system or USB key or blank disc
- time it takes
(blank box)
What does Joe get?
- Live image with instructions
- 1-click to make your Fedora that spin (PackageKit)

So we want to search for spins by:

package
task
tag
"art"
pkgdb metadata
language
filtering out spins that won't work using Smolt profiles?

which leads to a huge list of spins. somehow we need to compare. use what is available in the list, such as architectures, live/install, what media it fits on, etc.

Then click spin, and we see

download this spin
"make my fedora this" (PackageKit)
- smolt.
other suggested packages

Post-spin downloading

Installation instructions and stuff show up
Win/Mac/Lin download client or other instructions
Feedback plz!
Survey email after 1 week
Smolt profile with a tag that says what spin it is

Bob -- Fedora user/dev

"Bob thinks that he is the smartest person God ever created. Bob will create the spin to end all spins." -- Max Spevack

Go to spins.fpo
"Add a spin"
- Login
- "Spins are cool, make your own" banner
- How to build
  - What tools?
  - Instructions for tools
  - How to "craft" this spin
  - What makes a compelling spin
  - requirements
  - official vs. unofficial
  - what's allowed (just Fedora?)
  - How to configure
  - submit RPM
  - i18n
  - how to build KS file
  - make my running system a spin?
- He's a motivated guy, and he wants to create a spin.
- Maybe we should have a spin for spin developers. Hrmm...
Sections on this page...
- How to build -- back to the how to build section elsewhere
- Addition form

Create a Kickstart file

Web wizard
Upload
Pick one to base off of
Have Kickstart recipes
Kickstart post, RPM post, or wizard?
Very very very very very very good samples
Testing info
He needs to build now
- web wizard
  1. Download link in email, available for 24 hours or so
- local build ~~+ BitTorrent~~
  1. ~~tracked by Fedora, seeded by Fedora -- very dangerous~~
  - testing route, and resubmit Kickstart file.

Review process

Metadata with information on what it is for
Submit to review
- We don't have a clue about this
- Login/view status at any time
Yes
- fill out wiki details for spin page
- maybe suggest a SIG
- auto respin for security issues or updates?
No
- what's wrong, how to fix
- end there or go back

In and out example

What Bob is putting in
- experience on creating spins and Fedora
- time
- FAS account
(blank box)
What Bob gets back
- ISO
- spin page
- personalized distro
- handout
- user base
- build tools
- approval of spin

Reviewer Process

Legal issues
There are some legal issues with spins that are still being worked out. This section currently contains what we discussed before we hit legal stuff.

Kickstart file approval

KS submitted
Ticket created
Auto-validation process of kickstart
- Syntax
- Forbidden items validation
- Repos
- Root password
- If any of these present, automatically reject ticket
Does it have scripts?
- No: initial automatic approval, needs metadata check
- Yes: email sent to mailing list, assigned to "default" reviewer
  - Discussion takes place on saneness of scripts
  - Unapproved: here's why, here's how to fix it, Retry or Abort?

Levels of reviewed approvalness

Hosted
BT/Community
Ignored

Interesting questions

Allow Adobe to create a spin?
- If it uses all Fedora software, that works.
Live spin or just an installer?
- The main consensus is to allow both, and make sure we tell the end user on the spins page.

Tasks

Sitemap

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SVG Source

Wireframes

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