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Bug Triage Meeting :: 2008-12-16
Attendees
- jds2001
- John5342
- quantumburnz
- poelcat
- stickster
- tk009
Follow-up To Last Week
- jds2001 to update BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Trackers
- poelcat filed ticket with Red Hat Engineering operationst to auto close Fedora 8 bugs at EOL date
- quantumburnz updating PackageMaintainers/Policy to reflect more of triager's tasks
FUDCon F11 Ideas
- go through triage examples
- work on tooling for metrics
Next Meeting
- Tuesday, 2009-01-06 @ 15:00 UTC/10 AM EST
IRC Transcript
| John5342 | hi | 07:01 |
|---|---|---|
| quantumburnz | good mornin' | 07:01 |
| John5342 | and afternoon | 07:01 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: John5342 hi | 07:01 |
| poelcat | jds2001 tk009 ping | 07:01 |
| * jds2001 here | 07:02 | |
| poelcat | howdy | 07:03 |
| jds2001 | hey | 07:03 |
| poelcat | followups from last week... | 07:03 |
| poelcat | jds2001: BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Trackers | 07:03 |
| jds2001 | doing it now :) | 07:04 |
| poelcat | that still counts :) | 07:04 |
| * jds2001 overslept this morning and was gonna do it this morning :) | 07:04 | |
| John5342 | tk009: hi | 07:05 |
| tk009 | hello John | 07:05 |
| tk009 | hello all | 07:05 |
| poelcat | tk009: hi | 07:05 |
| tk009 | poelcat =) | 07:06 |
| poelcat | okay next task, i was going to file ticket with eng ops to auto close F8 bugs at the proper time | 07:07 |
| poelcat | BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora10#Fedora_8_EOL_Closure | 07:08 |
| poelcat | essentially i opened a ticket that points to this URL | 07:08 |
| poelcat | so whatever we have here is what they will execute | 07:08 |
| poelcat | any final feedback on the plans/wording in that section? | 07:09 |
| jds2001 | did part of it get cut off? | 07:10 |
| quantumburnz | looks a-ok to me | 07:10 |
| jds2001 | What does the first sentence say? | 07:11 |
| tk009 | looks cut off to e as well | 07:11 |
| tk009 | me* | 07:11 |
| jds2001 | for me it says "Bugs related to the components of the Fedora distribution" | 07:11 |
| John5342 | does seem a little misleading having that box near the top | 07:11 |
| jds2001 | as the first sentence with zero content | 07:11 |
| poelcat | hm | 07:12 |
| * poelcat looks above to section we did for GA | 07:12 | |
| poelcat | oh, i know what that is | 07:12 |
| quantumburnz | i think it makes sense in context if you look at where it'll be used | 07:12 |
| quantumburnz | it's talking about fedora | 07:12 |
| poelcat | the table in on web page starts with *Fedora*: | 07:13 |
| jds2001 | Oh, you're changing the product description! | 07:14 |
| * jds2001 looking at wrong section :) | 07:14 | |
| John5342 | am guessing that everyone is looking at top box but what we should really be looking at is the next one. | 07:14 |
| quantumburnz | haha, that's what I was asking poelcat about last week and why we added the link in there. =) | 07:14 |
| jds2001 | OK, yeah - looks great :) | 07:15 |
| tk009 | the bottom one looks fine | 07:15 |
| poelcat | next followup was quantumburnz was going to take a shot at PackageMaintainers/Policy | 07:15 |
| quantumburnz | yes -- i have a few things to show but i haven't put them up on that page | 07:16 |
| quantumburnz | i'll paste them here, it's not a lot but hopefully it's a start | 07:17 |
| quantumburnz | BugZappers' Role | 07:17 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: better yet, put them in a wiki page | 07:17 |
| poelcat | under your namespace | 07:17 |
| quantumburnz | oh, ok, i'll do that real fast, come back to me then | 07:18 |
| quantumburnz | sigh... how do I go about doing that? | 07:19 |
| * stickster here, just a bit late | 07:19 | |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: or a pastebin temporarily.. http://fpaste.org/ | 07:21 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: let us know when you're ready | 07:21 |
| poelcat | next topic was "what to do at fudcon" | 07:21 |
| jds2001 | anyone have any suggestions? | 07:22 |
| poelcat | has anyone had any thoughts since last week? | 07:22 |
| jds2001 | last two times we had barcamp sessions | 07:23 |
| poelcat | if i recall we were heading in the direction of wondering if it is the right venue | 07:23 |
| jds2001 | Not sure if that's the right thing to do again. | 07:23 |
| jds2001 | yeah | 07:23 |
| John5342 | one thing that gets people immediately involved is going through a few examples. | 07:23 |
| poelcat | John5342: excellent point | 07:23 |
| jds2001 | did that last time in Boston :) | 07:23 |
| poelcat | i wonder about just projecting a laptop on a big screen | 07:24 |
| poelcat | during the hackfest | 07:24 |
| poelcat | and doing a few that way | 07:24 |
| poelcat | kind of like how a crowd built around looking at testopia | 07:24 |
| stickster | I think we'll have projectors in many of the rooms | 07:24 |
| stickster | Should be easy to do that | 07:24 |
| poelcat | stickster: will there be a "grand hall" like last time? | 07:24 |
| poelcat | that was were we'd get the most exposure | 07:25 |
| stickster | I believe one of the rooms is a ~120 seat hall, and the rest seat between 30 and 60 | 07:25 |
| jeremy | stickster: which rooms do we have? | 07:25 |
| stickster | jeremy: A ton of rooms in E51, the Tang Center | 07:25 |
| John5342 | it just demonstrates how simple it is to do. plus you get a few done at the same time | 07:25 |
| stickster | Third floor, nice space. | 07:25 |
| stickster | I believe it's where the GNOME Summit was held. | 07:25 |
| jeremy | stickster: I know e51 and its rooms quite well :) | 07:26 |
| poelcat | maybe if we have some VIPs like stickster and jeremy that would help too ;-) | 07:26 |
| * stickster apologizes for going OT in QA meeting. | 07:26 | |
| * quantumburnz interjects with the BugZappers' Role Policy: http://fpaste.org/paste/583 | 07:26 | |
| stickster | poelcat: I would like to participate! | 07:26 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: okay, we'll do that next | 07:27 |
| poelcat | any other thoughts/ideas/criticisms/public shaming/etc about FUDCon? | 07:28 |
| poelcat | (as it relates to bug triage) :) | 07:28 |
| jds2001 | dont think so.... | 07:30 |
| stickster | Is there anything we can do at FUDCon in the way of tooling that we can't do "virtually"? | 07:30 |
| poelcat | stickster: good question | 07:30 |
| poelcat | maybe someone with good xmlrpc/bugzilla foo that could help w/ weekly stats, etc. | 07:31 |
| poelcat | i know comphappy is working on something currently | 07:31 |
| jds2001 | dmalcolm will be there :) | 07:32 |
| tk009 | are you talking about stats for bug triage? | 07:33 |
| poelcat | tk009: yes | 07:33 |
| poelcat | easier ways to do BugZappers/F10Triagers | 07:35 |
| poelcat | and other types of encouraging feedback | 07:35 |
| John5342 | noticed in notes on page that we still need tk009 bugzilla id | 07:36 |
| tk009 | I'm not sure what it is | 07:37 |
| poelcat | yes, we probably need to setup the triagers table a little differently to capture that | 07:37 |
| jds2001 | your email address for bugzilla :) | 07:37 |
| poelcat | well, it should be the same email address you use for FAS too | 07:37 |
| tk009 | john.brown009@gmail.com | 07:37 |
| tk009 | I figured we needed another john =) | 07:38 |
| jds2001 | :) | 07:38 |
| John5342 | :) | 07:39 |
| poelcat | fantastic | 07:39 |
| stickster | poelcat: With the new python-fedora stuff that Luke has started to build, we might be able to tie BZ stats in to an auto-generated report on the wiki. | 07:39 |
| poelcat | stickster: nice! i'll make a note to talk to him | 07:39 |
| stickster | I'm told that the Infrastructure guys may be upgrading our MediaWiki software in the foreseeable future to a version that offers a much richer writing API | 07:40 |
| * stickster may be exaggerating, but ianweller seemed to be very excited about it. | 07:40 | |
| jds2001 | that would be cool :) | 07:40 |
| poelcat | back to http://fpaste.org/paste/583 | 07:41 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: thanks for putting these together | 07:42 |
| quantumburnz | no problem, it's not much but hopefully it's along the lines of what we were looking for. | 07:42 |
| poelcat | are there any things we should change before adding them in? | 07:42 |
| poelcat | i might suggest softening a couple of the words: "Control" and "Rebase" | 07:45 |
| poelcat | in the context of the maintainers policy i think we want to convey | 07:45 |
| poelcat | that we help to keep bugzilla running smoothly or containing relevant bugs | 07:46 |
| poelcat | something like that? | 07:46 |
| jds2001 | yeah | 07:47 |
| quantumburnz | So maybe instead of using the word Rebase, change it to 'Assist with all rawhide Bugzilla...' | 07:49 |
| quantumburnz | i see what you're saying, just trying to think how to word it | 07:49 |
| jds2001 | Soemthing more like 'ensuring that the rawhide version is populated with relevant bugs' | 07:49 |
| poelcat | yeah, we also want to give enough information or link to it so that when changes happen | 07:50 |
| poelcat | to their bugs they aren't surprised | 07:50 |
| quantumburnz | right | 07:50 |
| poelcat | ... which usually happens anyway | 07:50 |
| quantumburnz | but they have the link to the bug flow page in the first bullet so hopefully that should help | 07:51 |
| poelcat | but then we at least have a place to point to | 07:51 |
| mcepl | here | 07:52 |
| mcepl | sorry, I have just came -- what's on the agenda now | 07:52 |
| mcepl | ? | 07:52 |
| jds2001 | mcepl: discussing maintainer policy | 07:52 |
| quantumburnz | mcepl: http://fpaste.org/paste/583 | 07:52 |
| jds2001 | i.e. what to put on the maintainers policy page. | 07:52 |
| poelcat | mcepl: BugZappers/Meetings/Minutes-2008-Dec-09#Policies | 07:53 |
| quantumburnz | what suggestions do we have for the second bullet to replace 'Control'? | 07:53 |
| John5342 | Manage? | 07:54 |
| poelcat | guide, enable, facilitate ? | 07:54 |
| poelcat | a word that implies we are here to help vs. boss things around :) | 07:54 |
| quantumburnz | I like guide. I threw that in. | 07:54 |
| John5342 | probably not guide because guide implies we are helping somone else to do it. | 07:55 |
| quantumburnz | we should have used the interactive text editing program we used before so we could all edit this. | 07:55 |
| poelcat | :) | 07:55 |
| poelcat | good point | 07:55 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: i think what you've got is good | 07:55 |
| poelcat | i suggest you add it to their policy | 07:55 |
| poelcat | and then we can ask for feedback | 07:56 |
| quantumburnz | poelcat: ok. John5342: how about facilitate or manage? | 07:56 |
| tk009 | assist | 07:56 |
| quantumburnz | assist still implies we're helping someone do it | 07:56 |
| mcepl | well, I think the problem is that a) the first point needs to be hugely expanded, b) the rest is either automagical or not done by the triager newbies, so the audience of this document (if it is a bug triager newbie) doesn't care. | 07:56 |
| John5342 | i think poelcat was right about not using manage. | 07:57 |
| mcepl | I don't care about exact words | 07:57 |
| quantumburnz | mcepl: it's to the package maintainers to let them know what we do and why their bugs change | 07:57 |
| mcepl | I had yet another "fight" about NEW v. ASSIGNED yesterday (with anaconda folks), and I think the thing which might be interesting is if we show them some real tangible help. | 07:58 |
| poelcat | we're about out of time | 07:59 |
| mcepl | the last three points are IMHO just "do housekeeping" and I don't think we neeed to ellaborate on it too much | 07:59 |
| poelcat | there will be no meeting for the next two weeks | 07:59 |
| mcepl | yeah, let's move to #fedora-qa | 07:59 |
| poelcat | unless someone else would like to lead it :) | 07:59 |
| mcepl | don't look at me :) | 08:00 |
| poelcat | are there any volunteers? | 08:00 |
| tk009 | come, on someone =) | 08:00 |
| quantumburnz | will we have things to cover? it'll be tough for me to make it next week... | 08:00 |
| * John5342 would like to but doesnt have the experience and is gone for christmas | 08:00 | |
| poelcat | okay. happy holidays everyone and we'll see you in 2009 :) | 08:01 |
| poelcat | thanks for all your help this year! | 08:01 |
| John5342 | thanks. bye | 08:02 |
| mcepl | yup, Merry Christmas or whatever else you celebrate!!! | 08:02 |
| tk009 | be well brothers, happy holidays | 08:02 |
| quantumburnz | happy holidays everyone! | 08:04 |
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