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| Sparks | #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings | 00:02 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Thu Aug 27 00:02:47 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:02 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 00:02 |
| Sparks | #topic Roll Call | 00:02 |
| * Sparks | 00:02 | |
| * rudi is here | 00:03 | |
| * itbegins here | 00:03 | |
| * Sparks wonders where everyone is today | 00:05 | |
| * laubersm is here | 00:06 | |
| Sparks | Okay, lets get started... | 00:07 |
| Sparks | #topic Last week's action items | 00:07 |
| Sparks | Sparks to create BZ component Deployment Guide --Third alarm | 00:07 |
| Sparks | Finally done. | 00:07 |
| Sparks | Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki --third alarm | 00:07 |
| Sparks | Still in progress | 00:07 |
| Sparks | #action Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki | 00:07 |
| Sparks | quaid to follow up with Mizmo on the Zikula theme | 00:08 |
| Sparks | quaid: You around? | 00:08 |
| Sparks | I know Mo has been working on the Zikula theme. I'm sure this is in progress. | 00:08 |
| Sparks | rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0 | 00:08 |
| Sparks | rudi: Got an update? | 00:09 |
| rudi | We're still a few steps away from that | 00:09 |
| * ianweller rolls in | 00:09 | |
| itbegins | I can report a little on the theme, depending on what you want to knwo | 00:09 |
| Sparks | rudi: Okay, I'll put it down for next week so we can talk about it again. | 00:10 |
| rudi | Yep | 00:10 |
| Sparks | #action rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0 | 00:10 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Go | 00:10 |
| ianweller | about my part of it? the writing up of the announcement? | 00:10 |
| ianweller | Sparks: hi? | 00:11 |
| Sparks | the theme | 00:11 |
| ianweller | oh for zikula | 00:11 |
| ianweller | hmm i'm not sure what i need to say, other than taht school is eating me alive | 00:12 |
| * ianweller wasn't sure he had anything assigned for zikula right now | 00:12 | |
| itbegins | Sparks: You mean me? | 00:12 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Opps.. sorry | 00:12 |
| Sparks | itbegins: Yeah, I meant you. sorry | 00:12 |
| quaid | quaid: yep, zikula theme is all rolling for FI | 00:12 |
| * Sparks is not doing a good job of multitasking tonight | 00:12 | |
| * quaid either | 00:13 | |
| itbegins | mizmo is in progress on the theme: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/ | 00:13 |
| itbegins | and Zikula is getting rolled out to staging | 00:13 |
| quaid | and things are prepared in the repo (ideally) so she can have related Docs theme in there to make a Docs-specific RPM of the theme (AIUI) | 00:13 |
| quaid | or I'm confused and it's all going to run from one instance, one theme | 00:13 |
| itbegins | quaid: One filesystem instance, mutliple databases -> multiple themes | 00:14 |
| quaid | I think I'm confused; that was my old idea, but Paul said we'll likely all be on the same instance | 00:14 |
| itbegins | i.e turning on docs.fedoraproject.org Zikula is a case of installing a few new packages and updating the config file | 00:14 |
| quaid | ok | 00:14 |
| Sparks | Okay, we'll come back to Zikula in a little bit for a more indepth discussion. | 00:15 |
| Sparks | quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki. | 00:15 |
| Sparks | quaid: Got an update on this? | 00:15 |
| danielsmw | ;/me sneaks in late... | 00:17 |
| Sparks | quaid: hello? | 00:17 |
| Sparks | Okay, quaid must have rushed off... | 00:18 |
| Sparks | Any more old business? | 00:18 |
| Sparks | #action quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki. | 00:19 |
| Sparks | #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) | 00:19 |
| Sparks | #link Zikula#Module_status | 00:19 |
| Sparks | itbegins: So what is the status on rolling out Zikula for docs.fp.o? | 00:19 |
| itbegins | Sparks: well, we're still waiting on those modules held up with license problems I think | 00:20 |
| itbegins | Sparks: but marketing have kindly packaged a couple of modules we can use for the docs instance too. | 00:20 |
| itbegins | Sadly not the blockers for the docs instance | 00:20 |
| Sparks | I think we both need at least one editor to go with Scribite. | 00:21 |
| * Sparks hasn't had any time to even look at packaging one of those. | 00:21 | |
| itbegins | yes,that's true | 00:21 |
| quaid | Sparks: sorry, phone call | 00:22 |
| quaid | do you want to hear about the CC logos? | 00:22 |
| Sparks | quaid: That will be the next topic | 00:22 |
| Sparks | itbegins: Okay so we are close but not there | 00:23 |
| Sparks | itbegins: Does marketing have everything they need to roll out their instance? | 00:23 |
| itbegins | apart from a visual editor, probably | 00:24 |
| quaid | after a last minute scramble with chitlesh++, bobjensen++, toshio++ getting a few last minute packages done last night/today | 00:24 |
| itbegins | though things may still come up | 00:24 |
| quaid | oh! no visual editor? heh heh | 00:24 |
| Sparks | So we need one of the editors packaged | 00:25 |
| Sparks | anyone want to stand up to take that task? | 00:25 |
| * danielsmw can try if no body else will, but he's never successfully packaged anything... | 00:26 | |
| Sparks | danielsmw: Well, this would be a good time to start being successful... there are templates for the SPEC and everything | 00:27 |
| danielsmw | Also I haven't been involved in this process at all so far | 00:27 |
| danielsmw | Sparks: Alright, well... | 00:27 |
| danielsmw | I suppose I can give it a shot and report back next week. | 00:27 |
| Sparks | danielsmw: I'm sure ianweller or someone will be around to help | 00:28 |
| Sparks | #action danielsmw to package an editor for Scribite | 00:28 |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else on Zikula? | 00:28 |
| * quaid notes Beacon was accepted for F10/F11 | 00:29 | |
| quaid | but I guess it's not integrated? | 00:29 |
| itbegins | danielsmw: Try pinging Toshio, he is involved with Zikula packaging | 00:29 |
| * danielsmw really likes beacon, btw. | 00:29 | |
| Sparks | quaid: And Beacon is the DocBook editor? | 00:29 |
| danielsmw | itbegins: Will do | 00:29 |
| quaid | Sparks: yep | 00:29 |
| quaid | Sparks: well, it's a web wysiwyg editor that now has upstream code to read/write docbook :) | 00:29 |
| Sparks | Yeah, we need to get that integrated | 00:29 |
| quaid | satya has it running on a publictest instance, we can look at how to use it plain, too | 00:30 |
| * quaid is wandering topics now | 00:30 | |
| Sparks | Okay, let's move on. Lots of work to be done on Zikula but things are starting to come together | 00:31 |
| Sparks | #topic Status on CC license rollout. | 00:31 |
| Sparks | quaid: So what's the skinny on the CC logos? | 00:31 |
| quaid | ok | 00:31 |
| quaid | I read and read that page | 00:31 |
| quaid | http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-August/msg00075.html | 00:32 |
| quaid | and it's clear that the ball is in Richard's court with folks from Creative Commons | 00:32 |
| Sparks | And we haven't heard back from him on this, yet. | 00:32 |
| quaid | it only having been a few weeks ... and he being a proactive and busy guy ... I think we have our clear answer for now | 00:32 |
| quaid | and will hear when there is something more | 00:32 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Do you have the text for the wiki? | 00:33 |
| quaid | I would put this on the back-burner; don't forget about it, but revisit if a month goes by, then prod for a status. | 00:33 |
| quaid | so ... a few more weeks at least, then see if we can kindly get a status. :) | 00:33 |
| Sparks | Well, we can go ahead with the change over, use the text version of the license, and change later as necessary | 00:33 |
| * danielsmw has to go, sorry for the short visit. | 00:33 | |
| quaid | yes | 00:33 |
| quaid | ciao danielsmw | 00:34 |
| danielsmw | au revoir. | 00:34 |
| Sparks | danielsmw: Have a good day! | 00:34 |
| danielsmw | Sparks: Thanks! | 00:34 |
| Sparks | #action ianweller to bring to the list the text for the CC license for the wiki so it can be approved | 00:34 |
| Sparks | #link License_changeover_schedule | 00:35 |
| Sparks | ^^^ That is the timeline if anyone would like to take a peek at it. | 00:35 |
| Sparks | I guess we are still waiting on the text being approved and then we can move on to step 4. | 00:35 |
| Sparks | rudi: So what needs to happen to get the license changed in Publican for step 6? | 00:36 |
| rudi | The people involved in doc publishing could do it at any time by hacking their Publican 0 installs | 00:37 |
| Sparks | rudi: Yeah, but I want to push it to everyone. That way there is 1) no confusion, 2) no differences, 3) and everyone does it. | 00:38 |
| rudi | I think it's unlikely that any more changes are forthcoming to brand packages for 0 | 00:38 |
| rudi | since 1 handles brands so differently. | 00:38 |
| rudi | (And we're not quite up to testing brands in 1) | 00:39 |
| Sparks | Well, that's a problem. | 00:40 |
| Sparks | If 1 isn't out then 0 still needs to be supported | 00:40 |
| quaid | um, hmm | 00:40 |
| rudi | Not really; there are very few people actually publishing | 00:40 |
| quaid | is there any technical reason not to change brand pkg for 0? | 00:40 |
| quaid | it's just text strings, right? | 00:40 |
| rudi | and I'm quite happy to wrap those notices up in the package that I've got parked on my Fedora people page. | 00:41 |
| rudi | quaid -- correct. | 00:41 |
| rudi | No technical reason | 00:41 |
| Sparks | Well if we get new people in we should be able to say "install publican" not "install publican and then do all these changes before you can use it" | 00:41 |
| quaid | rudi: is CS waiting to rebuild RHEL guides with the new license until 1.x handles brands? | 00:41 |
| * ianweller notes his action item and makes a sticky note | 00:41 | |
| Sparks | ianweller: Thank you | 00:41 |
| Sparks | rudi: Can you adopt the brand and just make the changes there? | 00:41 |
| Sparks | rudi: Or one of us? | 00:42 |
| rudi | Sparks - I can check into that. | 00:42 |
| quaid | does publican need a co-maintainer for the package? | 00:42 |
| * Sparks thinks 1.x should be released as publican-devel | 00:42 | |
| quaid | -devel has a specific meaning, though | 00:42 |
| quaid | or was that a joke! | 00:43 |
| Sparks | rudi: I'm not saying anything bad about Jeff... I know he's busy and he has this new tool he's putting a lot of effort into. But we still need the old tool to work for now. | 00:43 |
| quaid | because if it was, very funny! just don't tell it to jfearn if you are on the same continent. | 00:43 |
| Sparks | quaid: I thougth -devel was for the development version of a package... a beta | 00:43 |
| quaid | nope | 00:43 |
| ianweller | Sparks: -devel is development headers | 00:43 |
| quaid | yep | 00:44 |
| ianweller | in C, those would be the .h files | 00:44 |
| rudi | Sparks -- yeah, but "work" for about three people :) | 00:44 |
| quaid | Sparks: and Publican was originally proposed as 'docs-devel', with much arguing about why that wasn't OK and such | 00:44 |
| quaid | rudi: sorry, where is the approv text for the license page? or proposed-and-under-review? | 00:44 |
| Sparks | Well... I don't know. I'd like it to be in the repos... :) | 00:45 |
| quaid | rudi: it's not the people count, it's the F12 release | 00:45 |
| quaid | we have a dependency on a workingn tool for the F12 release | 00:45 |
| rudi | quaid -- proposed and review version is here : http://rlandmann.fedorapeople.org/license/ | 00:45 |
| quaid | we've had a rocky time for three releases with Publican feature status | 00:45 |
| rudi | The source is in the Publican repo already | 00:46 |
| quaid | and I thought with RHEL content upstream out here using Publican, it would work for Fedora :) | 00:46 |
| quaid | Sparks: well, there is no moving backward for now, so if Publican upstream isn't going to issue an update we can use, we'll have to do manual process around it again. | 00:48 |
| * Sparks thinks hijacking the package is an option... :) | 00:48 | |
| Sparks | quaid: Yeah | 00:48 |
| rudi | (Fedora *is* the Publican upstream) | 00:48 |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else on the license changeover? | 00:49 |
| quaid | what is the reason for not pushing the brand update? | 00:49 |
| * quaid wonders if he has bad breath? | 00:51 | |
| Sparks | rudi: ^^^ | 00:51 |
| quaid | sorry, I haven't been reading publican-list; you can tell me to read the archives, if that's it | 00:52 |
| rudi | Basically that energies are elsewhere at the moment | 00:52 |
| quaid | can we have a packager apply to be co-maintainer? | 00:53 |
| quaid | we can get some help to do the work, if that's the block. | 00:53 |
| rudi | I'll ask :) | 00:53 |
| quaid | https://fedorahosted.org/publican/browser/branches/0.45/publican-fedora/en-US/Legal_Notice.xml is the old stuff | 00:53 |
| quaid | sparks, stickster, ke4qqq, or ianweller would all be good choices | 00:54 |
| rudi | Yes, because the new is here: https://fedorahosted.org/publican/browser/trunk/publican-fedora/en-US/Legal_Notice.xml | 00:54 |
| quaid | what's the bz for this? | 00:55 |
| rudi | For what? | 00:56 |
| quaid | the bz for publican-fedora requesting the license update | 00:57 |
| rudi | I don't know that there is one | 00:57 |
| Sparks | Might not be | 00:57 |
| quaid | heh, ok | 00:57 |
| quaid | rudi: thanks, that XML was helpful; I'm building a book I want to be clearly under the CC | 00:58 |
| rudi | NP | 00:58 |
| quaid | rudi: and many thanks for working on the update of the content | 00:58 |
| rudi | If it's your own book, you might want to include the CC logo too ;) | 00:58 |
| * quaid is doing a Red Hat branded book, so knows the answer to that already | 00:59 | |
| rudi | I know I would :) | 00:59 |
| rudi | Ah OK :) | 00:59 |
| Sparks | NO CC LOGO IN PRINT!!! :) | 00:59 |
| Sparks | Okay... anything else on this topic? | 01:00 |
| rudi | Action -- rudi to investigate getting a co-maintainer for 0 | 01:01 |
| quaid | #Action -- rudi to investigate getting a co-maintainer for 0 | 01:01 |
| * quaid thinks he can do that? | 01:01 | |
| rudi | Let me test the waters first :) | 01:01 |
| Sparks | Okay, lets move on to the last few topics so we can wrap things up for the day | 01:02 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide needs? | 01:02 |
| Sparks | Does anyone need anything for their guide? | 01:02 |
| Sparks | #topic New Guides | 01:03 |
| Sparks | How about new guides? Any of them? | 01:03 |
| Sparks | Okay, there is a new guide in the works... | 01:04 |
| Sparks | there will be an Amateur Radio Guide coming out discussing the various pieces of software in Fedora for hams | 01:05 |
| Sparks | Any others? | 01:05 |
| Sparks | #topic All other business | 01:05 |
| * laubersm is available for proofreading | 01:06 | |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else for the meeting? | 01:06 |
| laubersm | I have lots of little sturts of time | 01:06 |
| laubersm | I have very little predictable time | 01:06 |
| laubersm | But ping me and I am happy to review materials... | 01:06 |
| Sparks | laubersm: Yeah... understood | 01:06 |
| Sparks | Thanks! | 01:06 |
| laubersm | I know RN is coming up fast | 01:06 |
| laubersm | and IG and UG for example | 01:06 |
| rudi | Thanks laubersm -- I'll be needing you :) | 01:07 |
| quaid | are the guides using Trac for one-task-per-chapter? | 01:07 |
| quaid | there is a workflow we can impose there, with writer owning then passing to an open editor | 01:07 |
| quaid | it's manual ... | 01:07 |
| Sparks | Each chapter would be in its own file | 01:08 |
| Sparks | The AR Guide will be in git | 01:08 |
| Sparks | Anything else? | 01:10 |
| Sparks | Okay, thanks everyone for coming tonight! | 01:11 |
| Sparks | #endmeeting | 01:11 |