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Attendees
People present (lines said):
- jlaska (137)
- rbergeron (45)
- adamw (40)
- j_dulaney (40)
- vhumpa (35)
- kparal (15)
- Viking-Ice (15)
- tgr__ (14)
- tflink (6)
- athmane (4)
- jsmith (2)
- Southern_Gentlem (1)
Unable to attend:
Agenda
Release criteria updates
- vhumpa started a discussion on test + desktop lists last week - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2011-June/007274.html
- Next steps ... decide whether to adjust upstream, or to resolve using Fedora .desktop files
- ACTION: vhumpa/adamw - reach out to GNOME for opinions on presenting duplicate application names in overview
AutoQA updates
- Kparal reported that the announcement of 'pretty patch' that was just posted into autoqa-devel - https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2011-June/002344.html
- Tflink is finalizing test result email reduction patchset - expecting patch out for review later today
- Jlaska noted that packaging/testing for soon-to-be-released autotest-0.13.0 is almost complete. Packages available in autoqa fedora-15-testing repo.
- Patch review and testing of autoqa-0.5.0 expected this week
IPv6 Test Day
- World IPv6 Day is happening on June 8, along with a Fedora IPv6 test day - QA/Test_Day:2011-06-08_IPv6
- Red Hat blog post expected tomorrow that will link to test day wiki
- Some test cases available on the wiki already, including http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_NetworkManager_ipv6, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_NFS_ipv6
- More test needed for any cli ipv6 tools, printing and <other>
- ACTION: adamw - send test-announce@ for IPv6 test day (jlaska, 15:33:42)
- ACTION: jlaska - test day wiki cleanup (remove boilerplate) (jlaska, 15:33:53)
- ACTION: tgr__ - provide wiki instructions for native ipv6 connectivity (jlaska, 15:34:10)
Open Discussion - <your topic here>
Fedora-qa F15 TRAC tickets
- Jlaska cleaning up the Fedora 15 fedora-qa TRAC milestone in preparation for Fedora 16 tickets
- Please cleanup any tickets currently assigned to you - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=Fedora+15
F16 QA Schedule
- Releases/16/Schedule
- rbergeron noted that the Fedora 16 QA schedule is available for review. Patches/comments/questions encouraged
- Times/milestones should not have changed, comparison between f15 and f16 available at http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html vs. http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html
Fixing features
- Discussion is underway on how to identify and resolve specific issues with the feature proces
- If you have any thoughts on the good, the bad, the ugly in the feature process, feel free to add your commentary to wiki page - Fixing_features
Fedora 16 Cloud Test Days
- http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2011-June/000632.html
- David Nalley started discussion about possible cloud test day topics for F16. Planning is happening much earlier this time, if interested, please join and help move the discussion along.
Action Items
- vhumpa/adamw - reach out to GNOME for opinions on presenting duplicate application names in overview
- adamw - send test-announce@ for IPv6 test day
- jlaska - test day wiki cleanup (remove boilerplate)
- tgr - provide wiki instructions for native ipv6 connectivity
IRC Log
jlaska | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting | 15:00 |
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zodbot | Meeting started Mon Jun 6 15:00:13 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
jlaska | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:00 |
zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:00 |
jlaska | #topic Roll Call | 15:00 |
* Viking-Ice here.. | 15:00 | |
adamw | yo | 15:00 |
jlaska | tgr__: Hi there ... we're just doing roll call atm | 15:00 |
jlaska | Viking-Ice: adamw: hey hey | 15:00 |
* tflink is here | 15:00 | |
* athmane is there | 15:01 | |
tgr__ | well, i'm here :) | 15:01 |
* jlaska greets tflink & athmane | 15:01 | |
* jsmith lurks | 15:01 | |
* j_dulaney waves | 15:01 | |
* kparal here | 15:01 | |
jlaska | hi j_dulaney && kparal | 15:01 |
* vhumpa says hi | 15:02 | |
jlaska | helloooo | 15:02 |
* rbergeron takes a seat | 15:02 | |
j_dulaney | jlaska, vhumpa, kparal | 15:02 |
jlaska | okay, let's get started | 15:02 |
jlaska | we don't have a complicated/lengthy agenda today ... just checking in on a few recurring topics | 15:03 |
jlaska | as always, feel free to raise topics during open-discussion | 15:03 |
jlaska | and thanks to vhumpa j_dulaney and adamw for #chair'ing last week | 15:03 |
j_dulaney | .bacon | 15:03 |
zodbot | I love bacon, you love bacon, WE ALL LOVE BACON! | 15:03 |
vhumpa | jlaska: was fun | 15:03 |
j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:03 |
jlaska | So, I'm skipping the 'previous meeting follow-up' topic today ... since that's really covered by the agenda | 15:04 |
* jlaska queues adamw first .. | 15:04 | |
jlaska | #topic Release Criteria Updates | 15:04 |
jlaska | well, vhumpa too really | 15:04 |
jlaska | What's the word on the "too-similar menu names" proposal that went out last week? | 15:04 |
vhumpa | jlaska: I started a discussion on test + desktops mailing lists | 15:05 |
* adamw defers to vhumpa | 15:05 | |
vhumpa | People are supportive of the idea that *something* needs to be done with the issue | 15:05 |
jlaska | #info vhumpa started a discussion on test + desktop lists last week | 15:05 |
vhumpa | vhumpa: ideas spread from modifying the app launcher to make sure that they would differentiate the apps with same names properly - to just renaming some of the problematic apps | 15:06 |
jlaska | I guess depending on the solution ... a different group of people would need to make the changes? | 15:07 |
vhumpa | For example of this issue: You all know terminal/terminal etc. | 15:07 |
j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:07 |
vhumpa | jlaska: Yes, the first one, simply, is upstream | 15:07 |
vhumpa | thus not something I think we can do very quickly | 15:07 |
vhumpa | Should gnome-shell offer e.g. popups for the app icons, that would present one set of means how to deal with the issue | 15:08 |
Viking-Ice | how does QA fit into this discussion as in is this not something all the *DE should take care of among themselves ? | 15:08 |
vhumpa | But, I am not sure how reasonable it would be to push that through | 15:08 |
adamw | right,viking | 15:08 |
adamw | the fix isn't our problem exactly | 15:08 |
athmane | Viking-Ice, +1 | 15:09 |
jlaska | Viking-Ice: yeah ... I'm just seeing this as QA bringing this to appropriate desktop attn | 15:09 |
vhumpa | That brings me to what FEdora can do... | 15:09 |
adamw | what we're concerned with is whether this should be a release requirement | 15:09 |
j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:09 |
vhumpa | It's a problem of a few apps really... So what we can do is merely to rename some of them, in their desktop files | 15:09 |
Viking-Ice | I'm not seeing this as an release requirement | 15:09 |
vhumpa | the QE connection: | 15:10 |
vhumpa | enforce that it is done with a requirement | 15:10 |
athmane | if we tests each desktop separately this issue will not raise, afaik | 15:10 |
vhumpa | athmane: true | 15:10 |
vhumpa | athmane: partially | 15:11 |
j_dulaney | The biggest issue I see is apps within the same desktop | 15:11 |
vhumpa | there are issues even withing single desktop | 15:11 |
jlaska | what's the ideal outcome for this topic? ... upstream acknowledgement of the issue? | 15:11 |
vhumpa | I suppose so | 15:11 |
jlaska | ... formalizing tests and applicable criteria? | 15:11 |
jlaska | (depending on whether it's accepted or not) | 15:11 |
vhumpa | Meaning.. upstream acknowledgment is a "pony" perhaps | 15:12 |
adamw | we should probably add it to the desktop menus test case | 15:12 |
j_dulaney | I'm thinking that a good outcome would simply be that what the user sees is different names for different apps | 15:12 |
vhumpa | I agree with Adam on this one. | 15:12 |
jlaska | I don't see any feedback from anyone upstream on this topic ... have they weighed in on this yet? | 15:12 |
vhumpa | jlaska: nope | 15:12 |
athmane | maybe we should fill bugs on upstream tracking app ? | 15:13 |
j_dulaney | The actual names don't necesarily have to be different for the actual app, just the menu choices | 15:13 |
Viking-Ice | are these apps that any of the *DE ship by default or is this something that is mixed apps between *DE ? | 15:13 |
j_dulaney | Viking-Ice: Default | 15:13 |
j_dulaney | For instance, within just Gnome: Softare Update and Software Updates | 15:13 |
adamw | so we have a plan for testing | 15:14 |
vhumpa | Some are issue in deafult, some become an issue when you have multiple environments installed | 15:14 |
jlaska | What's the next step? Should we focus on trying to get feedback/input from upstream on this topic? | 15:14 |
Viking-Ice | anyway this sounds to me just something that the relevant *DE maintainers need to take care of not something related to QA per se | 15:14 |
adamw | then the question is, should it be a release criterion, i.e., should we require same name situations to be resolved for release | 15:14 |
jlaska | adamw: should we move forward with testing and criteria without feedback from GNOME? | 15:14 |
j_dulaney | The QA angle would be enforcement | 15:14 |
vhumpa | I would concentrate in choosing menu names around Fedora desktops to minimize this issue... Upstream should come later | 15:14 |
j_dulaney | adamw: I think so | 15:14 |
adamw | jlaska: feedback would be good, i guess | 15:15 |
jlaska | adamw: seems like it should be required to me | 15:15 |
jlaska | how can we create criteria and tests without their input? | 15:15 |
* jlaska might be missing something though | 15:15 | |
vhumpa | The problem lies in how Fedora names apps, which I am not sure how connected is to upstream really | 15:15 |
jlaska | err ... I'd want to avoid creating tests and criteria that GNOME isn't interested in honoring/fixing etc... | 15:15 |
jlaska | vhumpa: good point ... it really depends on the implementation | 15:16 |
adamw | jlaska: well, addressing it upstream is only one approach | 15:16 |
jlaska | yes, I see now, gotcha | 15:16 |
adamw | i can see, for instance, that if upstream GNOME decide they don't care, we would decide Fedora still does care | 15:16 |
jlaska | right, that makes sense | 15:16 |
vhumpa | adamw: yes | 15:16 |
jlaska | so when will we know which of those routes to take? | 15:16 |
Viking-Ice | sounds like a ( test ) candidate for fit and finish | 15:16 |
j_dulaney | +1 | 15:16 |
jlaska | I guess we can conclude that if we don't get GNOME feedback, then it's up to Fedora to decide? | 15:17 |
vhumpa | So the question is 1) Do we ask upstream to help with this 2) We just rename a few menu items in Fedora | 15:17 |
* j_dulaney goes with 2 | 15:18 | |
vhumpa | +1 | 15:18 |
Southern_Gentlem | both | 15:18 |
j_dulaney | Easiest solution | 15:18 |
* jsmith goes with 1) | 15:18 | |
Viking-Ice | both | 15:18 |
jlaska | we'll likely go with #2 ... but I'd like to give #1 another attempt | 15:18 |
adamw | vhumpa: i think that's kind of up to the devs to decide really | 15:18 |
adamw | i think we may be going round in circles at this point? | 15:18 |
jlaska | yup ... let's wrap up on this topic | 15:18 |
vhumpa | 1) definitely too - but facing reality that it would be a more long term solution but for later | 15:18 |
vhumpa | True | 15:19 |
jlaska | anyone want to approach GNOME with this topic this week? | 15:19 |
jlaska | if not ... I'll take it | 15:19 |
jlaska | or any other #action items ... feel free to grab | 15:19 |
vhumpa | If I know how to approach them, I will | 15:19 |
jlaska | vhumpa: okay, thank you | 15:20 |
jlaska | anything else to cover on this before next week? | 15:20 |
adamw | i'll sync up with you on that | 15:20 |
Viking-Ice | is this only relevant to Gnome or is this problem present in all *DE we ship ? | 15:20 |
vhumpa | Meaning: we'll be aproaching for modifing the launcher, right? You don't just mean renaming apps on Upstream side | 15:20 |
vhumpa | Unsure on that | 15:20 |
jlaska | #action vhumpa/adamw - reach out to GNOME for opinions on presenting duplicate application names in overview | 15:21 |
j_dulaney | Viking-Ice: I'm not sure about within other DEs | 15:21 |
jlaska | Viking-Ice: KDE solves it iirc, but it's not specific to a single DE | 15:21 |
jlaska | While we are here, anything else on release criteria? | 15:21 |
jlaska | adamw: any other notable criteria changes to highlight? | 15:21 |
adamw | er, i think i did some | 15:22 |
jlaska | heh | 15:22 |
adamw | but i think we may have covered them last week | 15:22 |
jlaska | okay | 15:22 |
adamw | oh, the 'release-blocking desktops' thing may have been this week | 15:22 |
j_dulaney | That was last | 15:23 |
adamw | okay. then, i think nothing new. | 15:23 |
adamw | (sorry, it's been a busy week.) | 15:23 |
jlaska | okay, then moving on | 15:23 |
jlaska | I'm switching the next two topics so we don't keep tgr__ waiting too long | 15:23 |
jlaska | #topic IPv6 Test Day | 15:23 |
jlaska | #link QA/Test_Day:2011-06-08_IPv6 | 15:23 |
jlaska | #info World IPv6 Day is happening on June 8, along with a Fedora IPv6 test day | 15:24 |
jlaska | so this is just intended as a check-in for Test Day preparedness | 15:24 |
* j_dulaney has the network in his house setup for IPv6 already | 15:24 | |
adamw | i haven't checked in on this for a few days i'm afraid | 15:25 |
adamw | since my last email shot | 15:25 |
adamw | anyone know of any recent developments? | 15:25 |
jlaska | looks like we have 2 test cases linked .. .and one in need of a test case | 15:25 |
jlaska | tgr__: any updates/concerns on your end with regards to test day prep? | 15:25 |
jlaska | #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_NetworkManager_ipv6 | 15:25 |
jlaska | #link | 15:25 |
jlaska | #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_NFS_ipv6 | 15:25 |
jlaska | #info test case needed for ipv6 printing | 15:26 |
tgr__ | Red Hat will announce the event in a blog and refer to the Fedora test and ask for participation | 15:26 |
jlaska | tgr__: do you know when that is going out? | 15:26 |
* Viking-Ice throws in --> http://ipv6eyechart.ripe.net/ <-- for interested parties reading the meeting logs.. | 15:27 | |
tgr__ | tomorrow if everything goes right | 15:27 |
adamw | awesome | 15:27 |
rbergeron | the press blog? | 15:27 |
tgr__ | I've written a howto which covers enabling ipv6 on RHEL/fedora | 15:27 |
adamw | today would be a good day to be blogging about this for everyone else | 15:27 |
tgr__ | using configuration file/NetworkManager | 15:27 |
tgr__ | and instructions how to verify if a website has been reached via IPv6 or not | 15:27 |
tgr__ | this alone should get us some feedback on any basic issues | 15:28 |
j_dulaney | tgr_: You want to link to that for info? | 15:28 |
j_dulaney | Or is it not online, yet? | 15:28 |
* j_dulaney notes that he'll put something in his blog as well. | 15:28 | |
tgr__ | it's not online yet, we are having ISP troubles | 15:28 |
jlaska | the wiki links to rawhide live images ... I assume we just want F15 live images for this? | 15:29 |
tgr__ | if we can't get it up within red hat I will provide the info via the fedora wiki | 15:29 |
j_dulaney | jlaska: +1 | 15:29 |
adamw | yeah, good catch, let's fix that | 15:29 |
* jlaska fixes | 15:29 | |
tgr__ | i'm working on getting www.fedoraproject.org listed as participant on isoc.org | 15:30 |
jlaska | anyone want to volunteer to send an event reminder to test-announce@ ? | 15:30 |
tgr__ | it's currently only listed as IPv6 enabled website | 15:30 |
jlaska | tgr__: nice! | 15:30 |
adamw | jlaska: i can do it | 15:31 |
jlaska | adamw: thank you | 15:31 |
jlaska | Anyone object if I move the different setup procedures out into unique wiki pages? | 15:32 |
jlaska | just to clean up the main page a little? | 15:32 |
jlaska | or is that not really needed | 15:32 |
j_dulaney | jlaska: Good idea | 15:32 |
tgr__ | i think that's a good idea | 15:32 |
jlaska | okay, I'll make a minor adjustment after the meeting | 15:32 |
adamw | yeah sounds great | 15:32 |
tgr__ | i will add instructions how to do setup if isp provides native ipv6 connectivity | 15:32 |
adamw | there's some boilerplate text still in there too which we should remove | 15:32 |
j_dulaney | +1 | 15:33 |
jlaska | adamw: like the test results stuff? | 15:33 |
adamw | "Provide a list of test areas or test cases that you'd like contributors to execute. For other examples, see Category:Test_Cases. " | 15:33 |
adamw | and yes | 15:33 |
adamw | though we need to set up a proper table for that | 15:33 |
jlaska | okay ... I'll include that in my wiki cleanup | 15:33 |
adamw | thanks | 15:33 |
jlaska | #action adamw - send test-announce@ for IPv6 test day | 15:33 |
jlaska | #action jlaska - test day wiki cleanup (remove boilerplate) | 15:33 |
jlaska | #action tgr__ - provide wiki instructions for native ipv6 connectivity | 15:34 |
jlaska | feel free to grab any #action's that I missed | 15:34 |
jlaska | tgr__: thanks for joining today ... anything else you want to cover before we move on? | 15:35 |
tgr__ | jlaska: i think i'm done, thanks | 15:35 |
jlaska | tgr__: great, thank you! | 15:35 |
jlaska | #topic AutoQA Updates | 15:35 |
* kparal goes on stage | 15:36 | |
jlaska | it's time for a regular autoqa check-in! | 15:36 |
kparal | I have only one update today | 15:36 |
* jlaska sees he has plenty of unread autoqa-devel mails to catch up on | 15:36 | |
kparal | and that is the announcement of 'pretty patch' that was just posted into autoqa-devel | 15:36 |
kparal | #link https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2011-June/002344.html | 15:36 |
jlaska | woah, that knocks out quite a few tickets :) | 15:37 |
kparal | this patch should allow us to create pretty html logs | 15:37 |
* j_dulaney was just looking at that | 15:37 | |
jlaska | yay! ... | 15:37 |
jlaska | #link http://kparal.fedorapeople.org/autoqa/upgradepath2.html | 15:37 |
j_dulaney | Shiny | 15:37 |
kparal | they should be more concise and readable than the previous logs | 15:37 |
adamw | ooooooh pretty | 15:38 |
j_dulaney | More shiny | 15:38 |
vhumpa | Thus the name :) | 15:38 |
* j_dulaney likes shiny | 15:38 | |
adamw | now people will break their packages just to see the failure | 15:38 |
kparal | now we need to review the patch and merge into master. but the most of the work should be done already | 15:38 |
kparal | adamw: let's hope not :) | 15:38 |
jlaska | #link http://kparal.fedorapeople.org/autoqa/depcheck.html | 15:38 |
jlaska | that's awesome stuff | 15:39 |
jlaska | I think I can understand depcheck output now :) | 15:39 |
j_dulaney | Wow, the shiny just keeps piling up | 15:39 |
jlaska | hopefully I can stop bugging tflink for help with that! | 15:39 |
kparal | this patch should be the core of 0.5.0 release, hopefully to come really soon | 15:39 |
kparal | together with email reduction patch from tflink | 15:39 |
j_dulaney | How's that one going? | 15:40 |
tflink | pretty much done, other than a little bit more of cleanup and testing | 15:40 |
* j_dulaney keeps getting distracted; cheerleaders | 15:40 | |
tflink | I'm planning to send out a patch email to autoqa-devel today | 15:40 |
kparal | tflink: great | 15:40 |
vhumpa | tflink: nice! | 15:41 |
jlaska | tflink: I still haven't heard back yet on the email notification for all passed results | 15:41 |
j_dulaney | +1 | 15:41 |
tflink | jlaska: I'll make sure that the configuration works so that we can change it later | 15:41 |
tflink | without changing code | 15:41 |
kparal | jlaska: I have talked to some developers and they liked the idea of not getting bothered when everything works fine | 15:41 |
jlaska | tflink: but I now see my lucky ping recipient online ... so I'll see if we can get some more info | 15:41 |
jlaska | kparal: okay, good to know ... sounds like this will be tunable (without patching) based on how tflink is implementing | 15:42 |
kparal | well, and that was the big announcement of today. I have no further updates | 15:43 |
jlaska | #info tflink finalizing test result email reduction patchset - expecting patch out for review later today | 15:43 |
jlaska | With help from lmr, I've been packaging what will become autotest-0.13.0 | 15:43 |
jlaska | finding a few bugs here and there (nothing major), but so far it's working okay | 15:44 |
jlaska | note, those changes are in the autoqa fedora-15-testing repo ... so make sure you *arent* using that when you are testing for the next autoqa release | 15:44 |
vhumpa | Need to run, bye for now everybody. | 15:44 |
jlaska | vhumpa: cya! | 15:44 |
jlaska | #info Packaging for soon-to-be-released autotest-0.13.0 almost complete | 15:45 |
jlaska | kparal: tflink: anything else to cover on AutoQA? I guess it depends on patch review for when we'll start the packaging machine for autoqa-0.5.0 ? | 15:45 |
kparal | jlaska: no. yes. :) | 15:46 |
tflink | nothing I can think of. review and testing for this week, yes | 15:46 |
jlaska | heh, okay ... thanks for the autoqa updates all | 15:46 |
jlaska | #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here> | 15:46 |
* rbergeron raises her hand | 15:47 | |
jlaska | I've got just a quick status update if there are no other open discussion topics | 15:47 |
jlaska | rbergeron: what's up? | 15:47 |
rbergeron | jlaska: go first, i have a few minor things | 15:47 |
jlaska | s/I've got/I have/ | 15:47 |
jlaska | #topic Open Discussion - fedora-qa F15 TRAC tickets | 15:47 |
jlaska | I'm doing some TRAC ticket maintenance to prepare for the retrospective tickets | 15:48 |
* Viking-Ice points out we need to start looking at potential features being introduced and if we need to cover that ( grub2 and btrfs pop up to my mind ) | 15:48 | |
jlaska | #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=Fedora+15 | 15:48 |
rbergeron | Viking-Ice: +1 | 15:48 |
jlaska | Viking-Ice: good point ... I believe grub2 is in TRAC already, we'll need something for btrfs I believe | 15:48 |
jlaska | there are still some open tickets in the 'Fedora 15' TRAC milestone ... I closed out all the completed test events already | 15:48 |
jlaska | and I'll likely start annoying ticket owners to find the most suitable outcome for any remaining tickets | 15:49 |
jlaska | prepare to be annoyed! | 15:49 |
jlaska | #chair rbergeron | 15:49 |
zodbot | Current chairs: jlaska rbergeron | 15:49 |
jlaska | rbergeron: #topic away | 15:49 |
rbergeron | Woot. thanks | 15:50 |
j_dulaney | jlaska: Since I'm already using btrfs, I can start on test cases for it | 15:50 |
rbergeron | #topic Schedule | 15:50 |
rbergeron | #link Releases/16/Schedule | 15:50 |
rbergeron | #info schedule is posted, feedback is welcome, please. | 15:50 |
jlaska | rbergeron: is there any *easy* way to diff the F15 and F16 schedules? | 15:50 |
rbergeron | I know you guys have a retrospective; if there are things to be converted into schedule changes, let me know. | 15:50 |
rbergeron | jlaska: ahahahahaha. | 15:50 |
jlaska | okay, I'll be bugging you about any schedule topics that come out of the retrospective | 15:51 |
rbergeron | I assume you mean the "original" schedule vs. schedule as it turned out? | 15:51 |
jlaska | rbergeron: I should clarify ... a human-readable diff :) | 15:51 |
rbergeron | I haven't added anything *new* for you guys. | 15:51 |
rbergeron | I'd speculate that the easiest way would be this: | 15:51 |
adamw | are any of the windows noticeably different? | 15:51 |
rbergeron | http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html vs. http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html | 15:52 |
rbergeron | adamw: they shouldn't be. | 15:52 |
rbergeron | Other than - the dates showing in *that* F15 schedule are the slipped dates. | 15:52 |
Viking-Ice | you might want to compose any previous schedules as in what they where and how they turned out to be | 15:52 |
jlaska | ah, okay | 15:52 |
rbergeron | This schedule is more or less as the original f15 schedule was. | 15:52 |
rbergeron | Just, 6 months later. | 15:53 |
jlaska | I'll try to come up with more focused feedback after finishing the retrospective ... but the branch timing and Alpha still lend to slippage | 15:54 |
jlaska | I don't have any great ideas at the moment | 15:54 |
jlaska | will try to process | 15:54 |
* rbergeron nods | 15:54 | |
rbergeron | happy to have a brainstorming meeting with you / whoever else is interested. | 15:54 |
rbergeron | (or should be there, lol) | 15:54 |
* jlaska notes ... there isn't an option to "Create a new month" in the schedule | 15:54 | |
* Viking-Ice is not foreseeing any slips this release cycle.. | 15:55 | |
rbergeron | any other schedule q's/comments? | 15:55 |
rbergeron | #topic Fixing features | 15:55 |
rbergeron | I'll keep this brief: | 15:56 |
rbergeron | Basically some folks have mentioned that the feature process is perhaps not quite as robust as it could be, or could account for "different types of features" better (aka: marketing-ish features vs. stuff that is going to break the universe features) | 15:56 |
rbergeron | Fixing_features <--- your feedback is welcome. | 15:56 |
rbergeron | #info if you have any thoughts on the good, the bad, the ugly in the feature process, feel free to add your commentary to wiki page. | 15:57 |
rbergeron | And that's all on that. | 15:57 |
* jlaska queues for reading | 15:57 | |
* rbergeron looks around before continuing | 15:57 | |
Viking-Ice | features aren't mandadory process afaik .. | 15:57 |
adamw | yes | 15:58 |
rbergeron | well, i think that depends. and I think that's part of the problem. | 15:58 |
rbergeron | but not going to open pandora's box at the moment. :) | 15:58 |
rbergeron | Just wnated to give a heads-up to that, if you're interested. | 15:59 |
jlaska | yes, save that for #pandora :) | 15:59 |
rbergeron | #topic Cloud stuff | 15:59 |
rbergeron | You may notice that there are a boatload of cloud features for f16, we're already talking about test-day stuff, possibly breaking into two test days. | 15:59 |
rbergeron | ke4qqq posted something to the cloud list for anyone who might be interested in helping us work that stuff out. | 15:59 |
rbergeron | http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2011-June/000632.html | 15:59 |
rbergeron | (basically, we haz lots of stuff, we should start planning now rather than last second like last time.) | 16:00 |
adamw | awesome | 16:00 |
rbergeron | because there is going to be a lotta stuff. :) | 16:00 |
adamw | it's definitely a good idea to hash out a clear test day topic | 16:00 |
adamw | 'cloud test day' is pretty vague, so splitting it like last time is good\ | 16:00 |
j_dulaney | Are there going to be any clouds setup specifically for us to test on? | 16:00 |
adamw | we can always make room for more test days, so don't worry about having too many | 16:00 |
jlaska | yeah, I think that worked pretty well | 16:00 |
jlaska | wasn't too vague | 16:00 |
rbergeron | yeah, and we can group them by different types of cloud apps. | 16:00 |
jlaska | cloud test week :) | 16:00 |
rbergeron | j_dulaney: unknown. that's part of what we need to solve ahead of time, so we can get that kind of thing set up for folks without it being a nightmare. | 16:01 |
jlaska | anyway ... will have to see how the features fall out | 16:01 |
Viking-Ice | cloud test week sounds like a good way to proceed | 16:01 |
jlaska | s/fall/pan/ | 16:01 |
j_dulaney | +1 | 16:01 |
rbergeron | But: would appreciate any feedback if you're on the cloud list. :) | 16:01 |
jlaska | Viking-Ice: I know you like the test week idea ... assuming we have a series of clear topics, that might work | 16:01 |
jlaska | rbergeron: okay | 16:01 |
rbergeron | And would like to invite folks to come to a meeting maybe in 2 weeks or so, but will update on that next week. :) | 16:02 |
rbergeron | That's it. :) | 16:02 |
j_dulaney | Sweet | 16:02 |
* j_dulaney is getting hungry | 16:02 | |
jlaska | #topic Open Discussion - Last call for topics | 16:02 |
Viking-Ice | jlaska, cloud test week which would cover Aeolus,CloudFS,CloudStactk, Sheepdog testing.. | 16:03 |
* jlaska sets the fuse for 2 minutes | 16:03 | |
jlaska | Viking-Ice: yeah, could be ... will see what comes out of that thread | 16:03 |
jlaska | 1 minute until #endmeeting ... | 16:04 |
* j_dulaney wanders off in search of food and to start thinking about btrfs test case | 16:04 | |
j_dulaney | Peace, y'all | 16:04 |
rbergeron | Viking-Ice: yeah, and all the other ones I know of in the pipeline but aren't posted yet (openstack, pacemaker-cloud, $others) | 16:04 |
jlaska | cya j_dulaney | 16:04 |
jlaska | 30 seconds until #endmeeting ... | 16:04 |
jlaska | Thanks everyone for your time today!! ... I'll follow-up with minutes to the list | 16:05 |
jlaska | #endmeeting | 16:05 |
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