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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-11-17
Summary
- Dicsussion about upcoming GA and blocker bugs
IRC Transcript
| notting | f13: jeremy: warren: spot: rdieter: wwoods: ping? (i probably forgot someone...) | 13:09 |
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| * jeremy is here-ish | 13:09 | |
| * rdieter waves | 13:09 | |
| * warren here | 13:09 | |
| spot | f13 is ill today i think | 13:09 |
| notting | ah, ok | 13:10 |
| notting | well, that's a bit of a monkey wrench | 13:11 |
| wwoods | so we're out f13 and ajax, mezcalero's been on holiday for a while | 13:11 |
| * jeremy is starting to feel better! :) | 13:11 | |
| notting | wwoods: there are no PA bugs on the blocker | 13:11 |
| wwoods | well hey! that's a good sign | 13:11 |
| notting | unless i missed something | 13:11 |
| wwoods | no, but there's plenty of bug reports and angry users | 13:11 |
| wwoods | I've just been putting my fingers in my ears | 13:11 |
| jeremy | we definitely need an anaconda build for turning off betanag... clumens and I talked about branching and doing it today | 13:12 |
| wwoods | yeah, today's the day | 13:12 |
| notting | please do | 13:12 |
| notting | looking at blockers | 13:12 |
| notting | we have a plymouth one in MODIFIED, and i think halfline has a new plymouth build for this morning's bug of the day as well | 13:12 |
| notting | halfline: going to request a tag for that? | 13:12 |
| halfline | notting: well i'm waiting on feedback on a bug | 13:13 |
| wwoods | I only bring up pulseaudio because I've been trying to listen to music to block out this irregular beeping somewhere nearby and it's been stuttering and generally making me stabulous | 13:13 |
| halfline | bug 471498 has a bit of a mystery failure in it | 13:13 |
| buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=471498 high, high, ---, rstrode@redhat.com, MODIFIED, plymouth hangs in startup | 13:13 |
| * spot wonders why we have two blocker bugs with PATCHes in them that are sitting for more than a week | 13:13 | |
| cebbert | wwoods: erase it | 13:13 |
| halfline | that i can't reproduce on the machines I try, but the reporter can reproduce on every machine he tries | 13:13 |
| notting | halfline: has the reporter tested the fix? | 13:13 |
| halfline | notting: i don't think so, that's what i'm waiting on | 13:14 |
| notting | ok | 13:14 |
| wwoods | cebbert: yeah, that's a workaround.. | 13:14 |
| halfline | once i get feedback i'll request a tag | 13:14 |
| notting | we have two dmraid bugs, and two grub timeout bugs | 13:14 |
| * notting looks at pjones | 13:14 | |
| * spot wonders why the patches in 468461 and 448247 aren't applied | 13:15 | |
| wwoods | the latter (mkfs.vfat) we were waiting on a review from either the fedora package maintainer or the upstream maintainer | 13:15 |
| wwoods | the last comment in that bug is from upstream | 13:16 |
| wwoods | ("Got ping from notting, will have a look at this tomorrow and release 3.0.1.") | 13:16 |
| notting | spot: re: 468461, the fact that it's *completely* untested probably has a lot to do with it ;) | 13:16 |
| notting | we also have a cryptsetup bug that seems like keyboard error, so i'm not sure we'll hold for that | 13:17 |
| notting | and X bugs for both radeon & intel | 13:18 |
| wwoods | yeah I think the cryptsetup bug should drop to blocker or get closed as WORKSFORME | 13:19 |
| notting | i moved it to target | 13:19 |
| wwoods | reporter can't reproduce (he was given a package with debugging stuff enabled but no new code) | 13:19 |
| wwoods | good call | 13:19 |
| notting | but still... not sounding particularly hopeful on having something final today | 13:20 |
| notting | jeremy: how do live images look? ok space wise? | 13:20 |
| wwoods | there's more radeon badness than what's on Blocker, I just don't have the hardware/time/expertise to distill it all down to one or two actual bugs | 13:20 |
| jeremy | notting: they're okay as far as I know... I did one earlier that was 680 | 13:21 |
| notting | got a link to latest images? | 13:21 |
| warren | how bad are the "I need nomodeset" bugs? | 13:21 |
| jeremy | notting: I just did one locally, didn't really put it up anywhere | 13:21 |
| wwoods | it's hard to say, since people will continue reporting them long after they're fixed (because they're testing with Preview or hitting other bugs) | 13:21 |
| wwoods | and I don't have any radeon test hardware so I have no first-hand knowledge of any of it | 13:22 |
| * notting wonders how many non-radeon users are currently passing 'nomodeset' in the hopes that it will fix their problems | 13:22 | |
| wwoods | notting: *lots* | 13:22 |
| rdieter | ouchie | 13:23 |
| wwoods | most of the intel bugs we see, the reporter says something like "I tried adding nomodeset but it didn't work" | 13:23 |
| * spot isn't having problems with the only radeon he has access to... | 13:23 | |
| notting | oh | 13:24 |
| notting | jeremy: pjones: there's a report of things being fubar in either the installer or post-boot initrds due to glibc-2.9 | 13:24 |
| halfline | clumens, jrb, and others are currently seeing a massive slowdown with xorg-x11-drv-ati | 13:24 |
| wwoods | sometimes even on nvidia bugs | 13:24 |
| pjones | notting: uh-oh | 13:25 |
| wwoods | although nvidia bugs are fairly rare since that's mostly unchanged since f9 | 13:25 |
| notting | pjones: ld-linux.so.2 being a symlink to the wrong place, or something :/ | 13:25 |
| halfline | spot: jrb's problem goes away on a fresh reboot | 13:25 |
| jeremy | notting: I updated my boxes earlier; workstation rebooted fine, haven't rebooted my laptop yet | 13:25 |
| pjones | notting: which arch? | 13:25 |
| halfline | spot: so it could be a problem related to keeping it booted and suspending/resuming for a long time | 13:25 |
| spot | hmm. i'm not sure that suspend/resume works at all right now | 13:26 |
| notting | pjones: don't know, it was on the list :/ | 13:26 |
| notting | pjones: anyways, while you're here :P | 13:26 |
| notting | comments on the grub and dmraid bugs? | 13:26 |
| wwoods | yeah I've heard further suspend/resume complaints | 13:26 |
| wwoods | beyond just intel+compiz+suspend = hang | 13:26 |
| pjones | happen to have a link to the list? | 13:27 |
| notting | found it | 13:27 |
| notting | https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-November/msg01129.html | 13:27 |
| halfline | spot, wwoods: well we ran sysprof on his machine while it was having issues and we found out it was spending a significant amount of time in one function looping over a list of buffer objects | 13:27 |
| halfline | so one theory was that the list was getting really long after a lot of use | 13:28 |
| halfline | anyway airlied will be around in a couple of hours and he should be able to shed some light on that issue | 13:29 |
| wwoods | realistically, if we want to release on-time, we need a final package list appx. today | 13:32 |
| wwoods | and any major bugs found (or unfixed) should cause us to slip the schedule. | 13:32 |
| notting | we have a new kernel (113) in koji that fixes some gfx issues | 13:32 |
| wwoods | well. maybe that's not "realistic", since the *realistic* approach is that we're going to release anyway | 13:33 |
| wwoods | but now seems like a good time to start the traditional "slip/don't slip" argument | 13:33 |
| spot | well, strictly speaking, the only radeon blocker is 467821 | 13:34 |
| halfline | hmm, marina still has the "need to move mouse to get graphics to update" issue with -109 | 13:34 |
| notting | would like testing of radeon with the new kernel | 13:34 |
| spot | (not to put our head in the sand or anything) | 13:34 |
| halfline | does anyone remember the bug number for that one? | 13:35 |
| wwoods | strictly speaking there's probably other radeon blockers that are unfiled or misfiled | 13:35 |
| spot | wwoods: well, please look for them? | 13:36 |
| spot | i'd rather not start discussing slips for bugs that might exist | 13:36 |
| notting | can i get another +1 on tagging the new kernel? | 13:36 |
| spot | notting: i'm testing it now | 13:37 |
| warren | which kernrel? | 13:38 |
| notting | 113 | 13:38 |
| halfline | ah the intel bug is bug 471162 | 13:39 |
| buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=471162 medium, medium, ---, airlied@redhat.com, NEW, kernel-2.6.27.5-100.fc10.x86_64 causes intel 945GME to loose irq | 13:39 |
| wwoods | jeremy: you've got an open bug about radeon crashing (bug 468773) - any progress since your last comment? | 13:40 |
| buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=468773 medium, medium, ---, airlied@redhat.com, ASSIGNED, Non-working radeon driver on macbook pro with nomodeset | 13:40 |
| * jeremy wonders which macbook that was with | 13:41 | |
| jeremy | it was definitely when booting through efi which has some other problems in other cases | 13:42 |
| notting | efi is a 'you get all the pieces' feature in f10, yes? | 13:42 |
| spot | 113 boots fine on my radeon test box (desktop effects don't work, but they've never worked) | 13:42 |
| warren | spot: what chipset? | 13:42 |
| jeremy | notting: I believe that is the current status. the bug was filed before we downgraded to that point | 13:43 |
| spot | Radeon HD 3200 | 13:43 |
| wwoods | bug 462157 has a really unhelpful title but it's a hang on radeon r500 | 13:45 |
| buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=462157 urgent, urgent, ---, airlied@redhat.com, ASSIGNED, X hang up | 13:45 |
| warren | Bug #471162 I have this chipset and I have never seen this on 109. It does sound nasty though. | 13:46 |
| buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=471162 medium, medium, ---, airlied@redhat.com, NEW, kernel-2.6.27.5-100.fc10.x86_64 causes intel 945GME to loose irq | 13:46 |
| spot | warren: ditto, never seen that issue | 13:47 |
| notting | i've not seen that symptom, but i've seen X spontaneously go out to lunch on i945, requiring reboot | 13:47 |
| wwoods | notting: recently? that was supposedly fixed last week, and f13's test machine stayed alive for 3 days without doing that | 13:47 |
| notting | wwoods: over the weekend | 13:48 |
| wwoods | so we closed it (or maybe dropped it from Blocker) | 13:48 |
| wwoods | well hell | 13:48 |
| wwoods | oh wait, that's bug 464866, which is still open and on the blocker | 13:48 |
| buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=464866 medium, medium, ---, ajax@redhat.com, ASSIGNED, Xorg lockup with i945: "EQ overflowing. The server is probably stuck in an infinite loop." | 13:48 |
| warren | brb, rebooting into 113 | 13:49 |
| halfline | wwoods: marina is seeing that issue right now... | 13:50 |
| halfline | (like i said 10 minutes ago) | 13:50 |
| notting | wwoods: feel free to blocker-ize 462157 if necessary | 13:51 |
| notting | so, before making a decision on slip vs. no slip, i'd like to characterize which of the X issues are still prevalent with the latest kernel, and of those, whether or not slipping is realistically going to lead to a timely fix | 13:52 |
| warren | Hmm, desktop effects are working, but it is considerably slower than F9. | 13:53 |
| notting | also, some sort of comment on 468649, 467904, 468461, 468526 as to whether they're slip-worthy, or we can expect a fix | 13:54 |
| halfline | notting: wrt to "timely fix" airlied is the best person to ask. krh is working on f11 work atm, ssp is working on non-X stuff... | 13:55 |
| notting | halfline: right, which makes it not a discussion for right now | 13:55 |
| halfline | yea | 13:55 |
| notting | so, we're in a bit of a holding pattern. all up for a re-convened blocker meeting at 4PM once we have a bit more data (and access to picking X people's brains?) | 14:00 |
| wwoods | sounds reasonable. | 14:00 |
| notting | spot: warren: ok to move/tag/sign 113? | 14:00 |
| notting | (we also have a few things in the tag queue waiting for +1/-1... get them while they're hot) | 14:00 |
| warren | notting: seems OK on two of my systems here | 14:01 |
| notting | jeremy: also, if we can get a final-ish anaconda by then, just to knock it off the list | 14:02 |
| jeremy | notting: I'll throw something at clumens | 14:02 |
| notting | ok then. thx all, back in two hours on #fedora-blocker for further updates. | 14:04 |
| notting | anyone got anything else? | 14:04 |
| wwoods | ulcers | 14:05 |
| * wwoods grabs -113 and reboots | 14:06 | |
| notting | plz check with your doctor or pharmacist. the TV tells me there are many things for that. | 14:06 |
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