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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-12-08
Meeting Summary
- Fedora 11 schedule approved last week by FESCo
- Need to create trac tickets for each Fedora 11 milestone
- Resigning Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 packages as a result of intrusion
- Focusing on Fedora 9
- f13 will bring question to the board about skipping Fedora 8 since it goes EOL in less than a month
- Growing the release engineering team
- Consider different meeting times to accommodate other timezones
- Use FUDCon to explain overall processes
- Help new people get started with basic tickets
- dgilmore to meet with f13 and lmacken to talk about how updates for secondary arch will go out
IRC Transcript
| f13 | ping: notting jeremy lmacken rdieter wwoods poelcat warren spot | 10:05 |
|---|---|---|
| * poelcat here | 10:05 | |
| * notting is here | 10:05 | |
| * warren wishes xchat could send blank emotes. | 10:06 | |
| rdieter | <blank> | 10:06 |
| * lmacken | 10:06 | |
| jeremy | hi | 10:07 |
| f13 | full enough boat. | 10:07 |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - F11 Schedule | 10:08 | |
| f13 | poelcat: this got approved right? | 10:08 |
| poelcat | f13: correct! | 10:11 |
| f13 | wewt. | 10:11 |
| poelcat | i removed all the "draft" wording too | 10:11 |
| f13 | Time to create all the releng milestones and tickets for releases | 10:11 |
| f13 | what was the date of the meeting that approved the schedule? | 10:12 |
| wwoods | probably this past wednesday, so Dec. 3? | 10:14 |
| f13 | alright, that milestone was cleared off | 10:15 |
| f13 | oh woops, I closed the wrong milestone | 10:15 |
| f13 | no, trac is just dumb | 10:15 |
| f13 | I think F9 is done too, I seem to recall somebody made the change for the F9 spins torrents | 10:16 |
| f13 | so now we have no milestones. We'll need to create the Fedora 11 milestones Alpha, Beta, Snap 1,2,3, Preview, Final | 10:17 |
| f13 | then file tickets in those milestones accordingly | 10:17 |
| f13 | I really think I should figure out a cli app to do this 'cause doing it all through the webui kind of blows | 10:18 |
| warren | who in FI knows trac the best? | 10:18 |
| f13 | jcollie probably | 10:19 |
| f13 | there is an xmlrpc interface, or I could just use the cli on hosted1 to do it | 10:20 |
| f13 | sounds like a fun little project | 10:20 |
| f13 | well that was fun, my laptop just locked up | 10:23 |
| dgilmore | f13: trac kinda blows | 10:24 |
| warren | does anything not blow? | 10:24 |
| f13 | right | 10:24 |
| f13 | all options suck | 10:24 |
| f13 | one option I tried got us somethign usable rather quickly, and nobody came up with anything better | 10:24 |
| f13 | anywho... | 10:25 |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - F8/9 resign | 10:25 | |
| f13 | now that 10 is out, I can work on the F8/9 resigning again. | 10:25 |
| f13 | Last time I tried to compose I think there were a couple unsigned (due to corruption) packages. I need to verify those were fixed, and re-mash things | 10:26 |
| dgilmore | f13: F-8 has a month left. maybe we should just leave it | 10:26 |
| f13 | that likely won't sit well with people | 10:26 |
| dgilmore | ok | 10:26 |
| notting | ... which people? | 10:26 |
| notting | (they don't seem to be up in arms that it's taken this long) | 10:26 |
| f13 | well, we've made multiple promises to replace the content | 10:27 |
| f13 | but *shrug* maybe we could just let F8 slide | 10:27 |
| f13 | I guess that'd have to go through Fedora board? | 10:29 |
| notting | probably, yeah. | 10:29 |
| f13 | ok, I'll bring it up there I suppose | 10:30 |
| f13 | what does the rest of releng want to do? | 10:30 |
| * jeremy is fine with letting f8 slide | 10:30 | |
| f13 | should we replace content for F8 or just let it fade away? | 10:30 |
| notting | i can see both sides. does seem to be a lot of data to push for something that's EOL in a month | 10:31 |
| f13 | nod | 10:31 |
| warren | I'm leaning towards letting F8 slide | 10:33 |
| poelcat | +1 let F8 go | 10:34 |
| rdieter | +1 slip-n-slide | 10:34 |
| wwoods | +1 | 10:34 |
| f13 | ok, I'll bring it to the board. | 10:34 |
| warren | let's get the board's opinion first | 10:35 |
| wwoods | if anyone had ever actually asked about it I might say differently | 10:35 |
| poelcat | or is that a fesco issue? | 10:35 |
| warren | I think it is PROPER to do it, but it might not be NECESSARY. | 10:35 |
| warren | poelcat: board imho | 10:35 |
| f13 | wwoods: I get pinged every now and again from either tibbs or somebody | 10:36 |
| f13 | but it's just the same person I think | 10:36 |
| f13 | anyway I'll focus on getting the 9 content in shape | 10:38 |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - open floor | 10:38 | |
| f13 | I don't have any other pressing topics for today, floor is open | 10:38 |
| * warren falls through. | 10:39 | |
| * jeremy has nothing | 10:39 | |
| f13 | ok, we'll wrap early then. woo! | 10:40 |
| * poelcat had one idea for fudcon | 10:40 | |
| f13 | oh | 10:40 |
| f13 | actually | 10:40 |
| poelcat | what about a "release engineering for dummies" session | 10:40 |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Growing our team | 10:40 | |
| f13 | We talked a bit about this last week, the need to grow our team | 10:41 |
| poelcat | with a tie in to the regular tickets that get filed, etc. | 10:41 |
| poelcat | IOW how to handle them, etc. | 10:41 |
| f13 | I realized over the weekend that one easy place to start throwing bodies at is ticket management | 10:41 |
| f13 | poelcat: get out of my head. | 10:41 |
| dgilmore | f13: at some point soon, i need to sit down with probably you and lmacken to go over how we can get secondary arch updates out | 10:41 |
| poelcat | f13: lol | 10:41 |
| warren | Do team members need to attend the meetings? There is one participant on the opposite side of the planet who would be good for handling tickets but could never attend this meeting slot. | 10:41 |
| f13 | meeting times can be adjusted if interested parties want to join the team | 10:42 |
| f13 | mostly we'd be talking about buildroot overrides to start with, not necessarily freeze tags | 10:42 |
| f13 | or other tickets to look at tagging issues | 10:43 |
| warren | The only time that might work for Asia, Europe and America together is like 9AM eastern, which would be most uncomfortable for pacific... | 10:43 |
| f13 | we can rotate the meetings too | 10:45 |
| f13 | we don't have to have a fixed time | 10:45 |
| f13 | poelcat: anyway, I like that idea, and we might be able to get some people interested in it even before then. | 10:47 |
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