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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2009-01-05
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| f13 | ping: notting jeremy lmacken warren wwoods rdieter poelcat | 10:02 |
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| jeremy | hi hi | 10:02 |
| * poelcat here | 10:03 | |
| poelcat | happy new year everyone! | 10:03 |
| rdieter | halo | 10:03 |
| f13 | happy leap second to you! | 10:05 |
| f13 | we're missing a number of people. | 10:05 |
| ixs | probably hit the leap second bug... | 10:08 |
| * notting is here, late. sorry about that | 10:08 | |
| jeremy | notting: twenty lashes with a wet noodle! ;-) | 10:09 |
| * lmacken partially here | 10:10 | |
| jeremy | so what does our agenda look like today? let's start the new year with trying to keep meetings on track and not running over their scheduled time :-) | 10:10 |
| f13 | wow sorry I got pulled away for a momeht there | 10:15 |
| f13 | geez | 10:15 |
| f13 | we don't have much of an agenda today | 10:15 |
| f13 | Alpha freeze is 2 weeks away, fudcon is this week | 10:15 |
| notting | uggggh | 10:15 |
| f13 | I need to send a warning about the soft freeze today, and we really should try to look at the broken dep list and upgrade path list and start fixing those | 10:16 |
| f13 | and doing some pre-freeze install testing | 10:16 |
| f13 | also we haven't had any spin requests come in yet, so not sure what spins are targetted for F11. Alpha will likly not include any spins | 10:18 |
| notting | i think the spins group is still trying to get their process figured out | 10:18 |
| f13 | wash rinse repeat, 2 releases later right? | 10:18 |
| poelcat | notting: that is definitely the problem | 10:20 |
| f13 | This week I'm also going to create a guest to get an install of mitr's signing server going | 10:21 |
| f13 | hopefully luke and I can hack on it a bit before fudcon | 10:21 |
| notting | i wonder if they/we are overcomplicating things, but until we actually have people actually responsible/accountable for the spins, i suppose a hard process is necessary | 10:21 |
| f13 | notting: I fail to see how hard "treat it like a feature, only have releng do the final approval" is overcomplicated. | 10:22 |
| poelcat | because nobody has been able to clearly lay out how the spins process works... when it is a "feature" and follows the established feature process and when it doesn't | 10:24 |
| poelcat | this has been outstanding since we had the one phone call | 10:24 |
| f13 | huh, I thought the only place it didn't follow the feature process is where it got final approval from | 10:25 |
| poelcat | hopefully enough people will be at fudcon that we could iron it all out in an hour | 10:25 |
| poelcat | f13: we've tried to figure this out on irc before and keep ending up here :) | 10:26 |
| f13 | I guess I'm not sure where the hangup is. | 10:26 |
| poelcat | my best take is everyone has a different understanding/assumption about the process, including me | 10:26 |
| f13 | IMHO by the time it gets to you as a feature page, all that should be left is making sure all the fields are filled out just like any other feature, and getting it to releng for approval | 10:26 |
| poelcat | and nobody has formally documented what the official spins process is | 10:27 |
| f13 | what the spin sig does with the spin request prior to it being a feature page is whatever the hell they want. | 10:27 |
| f13 | well, | 10:30 |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - open floor | 10:30 | |
| f13 | any topics anybody else would like to touch on | 10:30 |
| f13 | ? | 10:30 |
| notting | what are we seeing for rawhide compose times recently? | 10:31 |
| * f13 looks | 10:32 | |
| f13 | whoh. 02 was quite fast | 10:33 |
| f13 | 0104 to 0249 | 10:33 |
| f13 | 0104 to 0219 in the first | 10:34 |
| f13 | 0308 on the 3rd | 10:35 |
| f13 | 0329 on the 4th | 10:35 |
| notting | so, even better. woo. | 10:35 |
| f13 | 0333 on the 5th | 10:36 |
| f13 | so there is a pretty wide swing though | 10:36 |
| notting | presumably due to backups | 10:36 |
| notting | unless you were pushing updates | 10:36 |
| f13 | I haven't compared say the 5th to the first to see which parts got longer/shorter | 10:36 |
| notting | or... someone built openoffice/kernel on the 3/4/5 | 10:36 |
| f13 | I haven't pushed updates during a rawhide composetime in a while. | 10:36 |
| f13 | but yes, we've gotten faster. | 10:37 |
| f13 | wwoods: welcome to the party | 10:41 |
| wwoods | howdy howdy - was in a meeting with manager | 10:43 |
| wwoods | probably should move that meeting to 2pm | 10:43 |
| jeremy | wwoods: we gave you all the work and were saying that we're done for nwo ;) | 10:43 |
| f13 | wwoods: basically we're at 2 weeks from alpha freeze, and need to start thinking about current tree sanity for our alpha slush | 10:43 |
| wwoods | woof. okay. what tools do we have for diffing releases? | 10:44 |
| f13 | rpmdiff | 10:44 |
| f13 | er | 10:44 |
| f13 | repodiff | 10:44 |
| wwoods | ha | 10:44 |
| jwb | skvidal added niceties to that though | 10:45 |
| * nirik notes that he cleaned out the cvs queue yesterday, so todays rawhide had a bunch of new packages. | 10:46 | |
| f13 | wheee | 10:46 |
| wwoods | I'll check into doing f11 v. rawhide repodiff | 10:46 |
| wwoods | to identify areas that have obviously changed a lot | 10:46 |
| f13 | f10 v. rawhide surely | 10:46 |
| wwoods | or, rather, non-obviously | 10:46 |
| wwoods | ha yes. wow. coffee, plz start working. | 10:47 |
| wwoods | what are the *obvious* changes? Mono 2? Did I dream that? | 10:47 |
| f13 | python 2.6 | 10:48 |
| f13 | that's what you're looking for | 10:48 |
| wwoods | ah yes. the fog begins to clear. | 10:48 |
| wwoods | was there anything else I was *actually* committed to, or was that just leg-pulling? | 10:48 |
| mether | rdieter: yum install @kde-desktop is probably easier | 10:49 |
| mether | sorry folks. wrong channel | 10:49 |
| rdieter | mether: cool, I forgot about the new group syntax. | 10:49 |
| f13 | wwoods: leg pulling | 10:50 |
| wwoods | f13: 'kay | 10:52 |
| f13 | anyway, I need to jet for a few minutes, we can continue talking in #fedora-devel | 10:52 |
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