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Fedora Education Spin Meeting 14th January 2009
Meeting Agenda
- Current Status & TODO List
- Test Plans & User Feedback
- Marketing
- Artwork
- Documentation
Meeting Minutes
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| sdziallas | okay, folks, my watch says it's time... let's get this party started! | |
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| sdziallas | the agenda is here: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/Meetings/2009-01-14">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/Meetings/2009-01-14</a> | |
| sdziallas | now how about a quick roll call? who's here? | |
| rdieter | yo | |
| sdziallas | tomeu: :) | |
| * hanthana here | ||
| tomeu | hi all | |
| sdziallas | Hi! (just in time for the roll call ;) | |
| hanthana | hi tomeu :) | |
| sdziallas | well, sounds like we could just move on following the agenda...: CURRENT STATUS | |
| sdziallas | so let me put it this way: some preliminary work on an education spin has been done, here's the wiki page for it: <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/EducationLive">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/EducationLive</a> | |
| hanthana | appreciate if we can introduce, at list FAS name | |
| hanthana | ;) | |
| rdieter | good idea, Rex Dieter, rdieter | |
| tomeu | I'm a sugar developer, Tomeu Vizoso, tomeu | |
| * sdziallas was too quick - as usual. ;) | ||
| hanthana | Danishka Navin, fas: snavin | |
| hanthana | sdziallas: no worries ;) | |
| sdziallas | you should know me: Sebastian Dziallas, sdz | |
| hanthana | ha ha | |
| sdziallas | okay? | |
| hanthana | any other attendees? | |
| hanthana | sdziallas: go ahead | |
| * ongolaBoy is just a visitor interested in education matters... | ||
| sdziallas | :) | |
| rdieter | ongolaBoy: welcome | |
| hanthana | hi ongolaBoy :) | |
| sdziallas | there we go! as I said, we've started. there's a table in the wiki, listing some applications, I've drafted some kickstart files up, and well: | |
| rdieter | how'd xcfe vs kde go? need more beer to decide? | |
| sdziallas | I've currently two builds around here, one is KDE-based, the other one uses XFCE. | |
| sdziallas | I think that's the decision we need to make first. and now. | |
| sdziallas | To give you a quick overview: | |
| sdziallas | The KDE spin currently only includes Qt4-based software, since I wouldn't want kdelibs3 being pulled in. It includes a number of apps, but not all (yet) - e.g., I didn't add krita (or another Gimp alternative), yet. | |
| sdziallas | It's size is right now 636 MB. | |
| sdziallas | The XFCE one is pretty much complete, includes some other apps, due to its GTK-nature. But you get at least kdeedu on both. That spin has right now a size of 666 MB, even though I've one or two ideas for further apps. | |
| sdziallas | I feel it's clear enough that we're not going to release both. | |
| sdziallas | So what we need is a decision, on how we're going to proceed. | |
| hanthana | we need at least 20MB for re-spin for other locales, so xfce is my choice | |
| hanthana | coz, xfce spin contain more apps than kde spin | |
| sdziallas | As I said, I can work with both. I just need some feedback here. I'm personally using partly XFCE on the OLPC, but this doesn't prevent me from using KDE or something else (as Sugar ;). | |
| ongolaBoy | for which people do you intend to release this spin ? | |
| rdieter | ongolaBoy: good question, we don't have a clearly targetted audience, mostly for lack of feedback (ie, not sure what people want/need). | |
| sdziallas | It's for students, but also for teachers, pupils and schools - though, we're not going to put gcompris on it, because its intended for pupils under our target age. I'd tend to talk about something like an age of 12+... | |
| * rdieter is indifferent wrt xfce vs kde, might be interesting to explore something new/different with xfce. | ||
| ongolaBoy | personaly i prefer xfce because of the low machines that i have in my environment... | |
| sdziallas | rdieter is right there: in the past, we've been doing what we thought would fit people's needs best. but due to a lack of feedback, it turned out, that it was not always the best... | |
| ongolaBoy | but i suggest you to release what you, the developpers, want to do | |
| sdziallas | yeah, that's also why I want us to talk about it. but the better we can fit people's needs, the better for us, as developers, because our stuff becomes - hopefully - more used ;) | |
| sdziallas | so I think... we'll have a closer look at the xfce spin?! | |
| hanthana | so, guys lets fix xfce as the spin | |
| ongolaBoy | so, if i was able to vote ;) i prefer xfce | |
| hanthana | +1 xfce | |
| sdziallas | okay, I'll take a note and update the spin's page in the wiki with an updated list. | |
| tomeu | about sugar, better wait until there's better support for unmodified apps | |
| tomeu | next release, hopefully | |
| rdieter | there's already a sugar spin anyway, isn't there? | |
| sdziallas | tomeu: yeah, in the meantime, we have the sugar spin (which I hope to get approved soonish, too) | |
| sdziallas | heh. *hint* :) | |
| rdieter | that said, perhaps there could be merging here | |
| tomeu | yeah, I guess it will be very difficult to have a single spin good for all ages | |
| sdziallas | yep, that's true. we can't target everyone without... bloating it for someone. | |
| sdziallas | (neither sugar nor kdeedu is imo bloat, but I'd like to select apps, too) | |
| tomeu | you can keep focusing now on 12+ and do something else later for <12 | |
| ongolaBoy | +1 for +12 | |
| sdziallas | yeah, I feel we should consider something on behalf of how those spins will be working together (or who they're targetting)... | |
| sdziallas | I'll make another note on that in the wiki / meeting summary. | |
| sdziallas | does anybody want to add something to the current state or can we move on? | |
| sdziallas | I'll take that as a no ;) | |
| sdziallas | Well, what needs to be done? | |
| sdziallas | The spin needs some polishing: I'll update the kickstart file and will - once it's somehow ready - submit it to the Spin SIG for technical approval. | |
| sdziallas | Next steps are then approval from the board and finally from rel-eng. Those are the steps... concerning policy. | |
| hanthana | sdziallas: before that shall we do a small user testing? | |
| sdziallas | What else do we need? Imo, feedback, feedback, and still more feedback... | |
| hanthana | by giving the spin to selected people [students and teachers] | |
| sdziallas | (which brings us also to point 03 on the list - they go hand in hand, I think) | |
| sdziallas | hanthana: I think it might be a good idea - not necessarily before submitting it to Spin SIG, but I think such a testing can't be too bad. So a +1 here. | |
| ongolaBoy | 'hand in hand' should be the fastest way to have feedback from users | |
| hanthana | i can help for that | |
| sdziallas | We might think about a fitting time (frame) here, but we can run such a test in parallel. | |
| hanthana | as i have contacts with local Edu officials | |
| sdziallas | Yeah, ongolaBoy! | |
| sdziallas | hanthana: that would be great! | |
| hanthana | lets fix a time frame for 1st feedback | |
| * ongolaBoy has a low internet connection :( | ||
| sdziallas | Btw: For any inofficial - pre-release spins - we need a possibility to host it somewhere. (If you don't want to build it everytime on your own) | |
| * sdziallas checks F11 schedule | ||
| hanthana | i mean, lets give them one week for testing/playing | |
| sdziallas | hanthana: a week or so would be fine with me, maybe two, but not more, since we also need some time for the results and working on it... | |
| hanthana | yeah | |
| hanthana | sdziallas: lets ready for one week, | |
| sdziallas | okay! | |
| hanthana | they might take another week if they want | |
| sdziallas | (another note for me and the wiki ;) | |
| sdziallas | sounds good to me. | |
| sdziallas | next question: when do we want to start this? Here's the schedule for F11: <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule</a> | |
| sdziallas | Feature freeze is at the beginning of march. | |
| hanthana | 2009-04-14 - Final Development Freeze | |
| sdziallas | I need some time for preparing the kickstart, then it needs to be built. And then, we let the testing run for a week or so, right? | |
| hanthana | lets target march | |
| sdziallas | for testing? or for having something really working ready? | |
| hanthana | really working ready | |
| sdziallas | (this doesn't prevent us from working on pre-release stuff, either.) | |
| hanthana | sdziallas: i would like to start testing before February | |
| sdziallas | any objections or additions here? we might need to use a F10 base then for testing; Rawhide might be too buggy. | |
| ongolaBoy | the 'final' release should rolled out with f11 right ? | |
| rdieter | I can help host a spin | |
| hanthana | yes | |
| hanthana | rdieter: cool | |
| rdieter | for testing, that is. | |
| sdziallas | rdieter: that would be great :) | |
| hanthana | i am also trying to locally host | |
| hanthana | here we have schooNet, and University Network | |
| rdieter | I can be a torrent seed/tracker is what I had in mind. | |
| rdieter | hanthana: you? | |
| rdieter | as a side note, I finally dropped the f9-edu preview spin that had been hosted for quite awhile, nope nobody minds... | |
| hanthana | rdieter: i am planning for direct download and hand to hand distribution | |
| rdieter | hanthana: cool, when/if that's available, let me know, and I'll add it as a web seed for the torrent | |
| sdziallas | rdieter: nope... that's more than okay ;) | |
| sdziallas | okay, this sounds like a good plan (having both)! | |
| hanthana | tomorrow i am talking to edu officials, regarding hosting and distributing of the test copy | |
| hanthana | and we need a creating a bugzilla component - ToDo | |
| hanthana | btw, sdziallas when we are going to start the testing? | |
| hanthana | lets fix a time duration now | |
| * sdziallas hasn' checked out yet, how to do this; but I'll make a note regarding bugzilla, to look into this | ||
| rdieter | I would venture that spin approval is a prereq for any bz component creation, but I could be wrong | |
| sdziallas | well... I don't need a long time for preparing the kickstart file (so somebody wants further apps on it - *that* is the time to suggest them, to get 'em tested) ;) | |
| sdziallas | *if somebody wants further apps... | |
| hanthana | shall we start from 25th Jan to 7th Feb | |
| sdziallas | rdieter: might be true. if necessary, I can ask around ;) | |
| sdziallas | hanthana: I'm fine with that. | |
| sdziallas | leaves us enough time to make sure we're not distributing bad stuff to the testers and is still way enough before march. | |
| sdziallas | +1 | |
| sdziallas | any objections? if not, I'll add that to the wiki after the meeting, too. | |
| * ongolaBoy has nothing to add ... | ||
| sdziallas | okey dokey. (just want to make sure everybody's happy) | |
| hanthana | heh | |
| sdziallas | what else there is left? documentation? an artwork? | |
| hanthana | 04. Marketting plan for spreading fedora edu spin | |
| sdziallas | marketing is good. :) | |
| hanthana | Marketting plan for spreading fedora edu spin | |
| hanthana | workshops, seminas, installFest, etc | |
| hanthana | Fedora edu - tshirt for those who working for the project ;) | |
| sdziallas | w00t! | |
| hanthana | i do ..... workshops, seminas, installFest, etc | |
| ongolaBoy | concerning Artwork, is it possible to ask to Nicu and his friends to create special stuff off edu | |
| sdziallas | I've... submitted a request for artwork some time ago: | |
| ongolaBoy | but i don't know how you communicate between team in general ... | |
| rdieter | most definietely possible, couldn't hurt to ask the fedora-art team, they're usually quite good at delivering | |
| sdziallas | <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_Education">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_Education</a> | |
| sdziallas | but that was ages ago - I recieved a wiki banner from tatica, but I didn't add it yet, since I felt... it would need to be discussed with her / the artwork team first. | |
| hanthana | sdziallas: we need a poster/ Boucher | |
| sdziallas | I also asked for special artwork for our spin, such as a wallpaper, but: work in progress, afaik ;) | |
| sdziallas | yeah! | |
| rdieter | would probably help if someone volunteered to lead the art effort, and potentially poke/prod/bribe them | |
| sdziallas | yeah, well, I can go and update the request quite a bit... I'm a bit lazy about poking 'em, but I could do that. (hopefully, I don't forget) ;) | |
| * sdziallas makes another mental note. | ||
| sdziallas | okay? anything else on behalf of artwork? nope?... | |
| ongolaBoy | sdziallas:at least for artwork, update your request by replacing kde by xfce... | |
| hanthana | sdziallas: 'adding a wallpaper ' grate idea!! | |
| sdziallas | ongolaBoy, yeah; will do. it's quite outdated there, I know... | |
| sdziallas | okay :) | |
| hanthana | do we need CD/DVD cover? | |
| hanthana | stickers? | |
| sdziallas | maybe later on, yeah. and some flyers couldn't hurt either. But partly general Fedora stuff should be fine, too. | |
| * sdziallas loves our t-shirts :) | ||
| hanthana | we can add Edu spin promotion with F11 release | |
| sdziallas | (for which we need rel-engs approval, but I'll take care of that) | |
| sdziallas | okay? can we move on here? (sorry if I'm rushing a bit) | |
| ongolaBoy | . | |
| hanthana | ok | |
| hanthana | next! | |
| hanthana | Documentation: | |
| hanthana | HowTos related to the Fedora Education Spin. | |
| hanthana | for an example; | |
| hanthana | 'How to install Edu Spin to the system?' | |
| hanthana | 'How to install other software using Fedora repo?' | |
| sdziallas | the latter one should be more or less explained somewhere (I'd bet there are already howtos for this), but the first or 'which additional educational software can I get?' or 'what does this app offer me?' would be other examples... | |
| sdziallas | this one could be worked out together with questions we might recieve from testing... | |
| hanthana | yes | |
| hanthana | good idea | |
| ongolaBoy | 'what package can i use for algebra,geometry,electronics,...?' | |
| sdziallas | exactly! | |
| hanthana | ongolaBoy: +1 | |
| sdziallas | okay... anything else you want to discuss? | |
| hanthana | fixing dates for next meeting? | |
| sdziallas | well, that's our last task, before adjourning the meeting, I think ;) | |
| sdziallas | so if there's nothing more to discuss, I thing we can head for that, yeah. | |
| hanthana | 'getting more ppl ' we can achieve this during testing period | |
| sdziallas | yep, that's marketing, testing, all that... | |
| hanthana | we have to meet before starting the testing session | |
| sdziallas | honestly, I'm not sure, yet: next week would be the 21st. I think we should talk again before beginning the testing, touh. | |
| sdziallas | *though | |
| sdziallas | yep. | |
| hanthana | ok 21st fine for me | |
| hanthana | rdieter: ongolaBoy: sdziallas: any idea? | |
| sdziallas | well, let's note the 21st for the moment. I cannot promise that it will work for me, yet, but I think it should. | |
| sdziallas | (if the others agree) | |
| ongolaBoy | hum... i can't give a date because i'm not very available ;choose date that fit to you | |
| ongolaBoy | any date i mean | |
| sdziallas | okay? 21st for now? | |
| ongolaBoy | . | |
| sdziallas | there we go. we might reconsider it again, if it doesn't fit for anybody. well... is that it? are we done? | |
| hanthana | ok | |
| sdziallas | thanks everybody for attending! | |
| sdziallas | :) | |
| hanthana | thanks all! | |
| hanthana | lets make a good spin for the community!! | |
| ongolaBoy | i appreciate your efforts | |
| sdziallas | yeah! :) | |
| sdziallas | so I'd say... | |
| sdziallas | 5 | |
| sdziallas | 4 | |
| sdziallas | 3 | |
| sdziallas | 2 | |
| sdziallas | 1 | |
| sdziallas | 1/2 | |
| ongolaBoy | :D | |
| hanthana | .009 | |
| hanthana | .0009 | |
| sdziallas | = meeting adjourned = | |
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