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| quaid | <meeting> | <a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a> |
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| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo hangin' out -- roll call and opening number | <a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a> | |
| quaid | KarstenWade, estoy aqui | <a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a> |
| * stickster present and accounted for | <a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a> | |
| * couf | <a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a> | |
| jsmith | JaredSmith... estoy aqui tambien | <a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a> |
| jsmith | (Well, for various definitions of "here") | <a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a> |
| quaid | ok, I have weird networking stuff but this ssh seems ok, so ... | <a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a> |
| * jsmith twiddles the bits on quaid's router | <a href="#t12:05" class="time">12:05</a> | |
| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo talking -- Elections | <a href="#t12:05" class="time">12:05</a> | |
| stickster | Ah, elections. | <a href="#t12:05" class="time">12:05</a> |
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| * stickster hopes quaid didn't disappera | <a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a> | |
| quaid | no, I'm here | <a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a> |
| stickster | From the Spanish for "disappear." (apologies.0 | <a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a> |
| quaid | I want to troubleshoot but then I'd drop | <a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a> |
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| quaid | ok, anyway | <a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a> |
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| quaid | I'm beginning to feel like we have too many elections around here :) | <a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a> |
| -!- Irssi: #fedora-meeting: Total of 100 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 99 normal] | <a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a> | |
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| couf | I second that | <a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a> |
| quaid | and I'm a bit unclear if we have achieved the steps to setup a new Chair around here. | <a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a> |
| quaid | so I'm open for discussion on the topic in that vein and others | <a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a> |
| couf | unfortunately the new-to-be chair isn't around :-/ | <a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a> |
| stickster | Yeah, it's difficult to have this conversation without him | <a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a> |
| quaid | ok | <a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a> |
| stickster | Has anyone thought about Docs in light of Jef Spaleta's role-based SIG idea, and whether we might actually enjoy *better* success -- and a better ruler against which to measure ourselves -- as a SIG? | <a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a> |
| stickster | That could be total crazy talk. | <a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a> |
| quaid | stickster: um, see ... | <a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a> |
| quaid | that is crazy talk | <a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a> |
| stickster | OK | <a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a> |
| quaid | Docs is a clear example of a subproject | <a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a> |
| quaid | in the role-based SIG world | <a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a> |
| quaid | there would be a Documentor in each SIG focused on that SIG content | <a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a> |
| quaid | and that person is *also* a memmber of the Docs Project (Subproj) | <a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a> |
| quaid | make sense? | <a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a> |
| Southern_Gentlem | or should be | <a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a> |
| quaid | that said, we were discussing governance here a few hours ago, and Jeff didn't even know that we require elections for Projects | <a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a> |
| quaid | Southern_Gentlem: refer to "in the role-based SIG world" | <a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a> |
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| couf | so basiclly we would be a resource subproject working for the SIGs? | <a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a> |
| quaid | that's basically it | <a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a> |
| stickster | Well, I think what quaid is saying is that we'd "embed" with them | <a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a> |
| stickster | Is that a good characterization of it? | <a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a> |
| quaid | sure | <a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a> |
| * couf tries to get the whole role-based SIG concept here | <a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a> | |
| couf | right, gotcha | <a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a> |
| quaid | the idea is to get people working on what interests them | <a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a> |
| quaid | and filling roles there more than "packaging" | <a href="#t12:16" class="time">12:16</a> |
| couf | +1 | <a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a> |
| quaid | so, elections and governance ... | <a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a> |
| quaid | on-list? | <a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a> |
| quaid | move to, that is | <a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a> |
| stickster | +1 | <a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a> |
| couf | maybe, but we *should* get a clear POV from John, personal mail could help | <a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a> |
| couf | just to make sure we don't keep pushing this back | <a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a> |
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| Southern_Gentlem | what can be done to lower the barriers for people to get involved in the docs project | <a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a> |
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| jmbuser | JohnBabich late | <a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a> |
| Southern_Gentlem | some people see it a litte extreme to have to get on cvs just to get a tutorial on how to do docs | <a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a> |
| stickster | Southern_Gentlem: You missed last week's meeting :-) | <a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a> |
| stickster | jmbuser! hi! | <a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a> |
| quaid | hey jmbuser | <a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a> |
| jmbuser | quaid: hey | <a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a> |
| quaid | we're discussing governance | <a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a> |
| jmbuser | stickster: hi | <a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a> |
| jmbuser | carry on... | <a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a> |
| stickster | Southern_Gentlem: <a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-May/msg00032.html">http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-May/msg00032.html</a> | <a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a> |
| quaid | do we need elections, etc. | <a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a> |
| quaid | this often, etc. | <a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a> |
| quaid | I still think it might be an on list discussion | <a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a> |
| quaid | to have. | <a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a> |
| stickster | Me sees that 20 minutes have gone by one topic, and not much said about it. Sounds like a clear "silence gives consent" for the ML. | <a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a> |
| quaid | right on | <a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a> |
| jmbuser | +1 | <a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a> |
| quaid | elections discussion on list etc. | <a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a> |
| lfoppiano | Hi all, sry fro delay.... | <a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a> |
| lfoppiano | *for | <a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a> |
| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo chilling -- Relnotes, Guides, other content | <a href="#t12:28" class="time">12:28</a> | |
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| lfoppiano | uhm...I lost elections... .-/ | <a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a> |
| lfoppiano | :s/lost/miss/g | <a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a> |
| quaid | lfoppiano: we're moving the topic to the mailing list | <a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a> |
| quaid | ok, wsa there something to sayabout the relnotes? | <a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a> |
| * quaid hsa to be excused for typos, bad connetion, no tim e to edit | <a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a> | |
| lfoppiano | no | <a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a> |
| stickster | mdious has been keeping up with these, and we should have a new package rolled later in the week | <a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a> |
| couf | mdious has been syncing in the last bits | <a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a> |
| stickster | Or maybe weekend | <a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a> |
| quaid | ok, UG and other end-user content is second priority after Fedora contributor-oriented content | <a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a> |
| quaid | I created <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks/SIGSupport">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks/SIGSupport</a> | <a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a> |
| quaid | just so we can track who is "embedded" where | <a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a> |
| quaid | note that Docs is supporting any contributor area, SIG and subproject alike; just put it all on that one page for now. | <a href="#t12:32" class="time">12:32</a> |
| couf | do we want to formalize a process for these guys, and join-pages updates etc | <a href="#t12:33" class="time">12:33</a> |
| * stickster has to make a call, will continue lurking here | <a href="#t12:33" class="time">12:33</a> | |
| quaid | couf: we could; we also need to talk to the various grops and see what they want to do | <a href="#t12:34" class="time">12:34</a> |
| quaid | can someone add JohnStanley to that page as writing for BugTriage? | <a href="#t12:34" class="time">12:34</a> |
| couf | sure | <a href="#t12:35" class="time">12:35</a> |
| couf | that is if the wiki wants to let me | <a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a> |
| quaid | it'll be better than what I have right now | <a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a> |
| * couf can't wait next weeks move | <a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a> | |
| quaid | so, update on that | <a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a> |
| quaid | we are doing a premigration on the 23rd | <a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a> |
| quaid | (barring problems) | <a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a> |
| quaid | then doing a re-import of what has changed from 23 to 27 on the 27th | <a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a> |
| quaid | that way we have some days to get things nicer before the actual migration is called | <a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a> |
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| quaid | the old wiki will be up for some time in read-only, hidden from search engines mode | <a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a> |
| couf | wow, fast save for slow wiki | <a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a> |
| quaid | ok, so then the next thing is ... | <a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a> |
| quaid | we need to tell folks that Docs is here to help them solve their internal docs problems | <a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a> |
| quaid | maybe just make the GIG a first output along those lines | <a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a> |
| quaid | so, let's add to that SIGSupport page a link to the section in the GIG that corresponds, so we can have the same people own that content creation | <a href="#t12:40" class="time">12:40</a> |
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| couf | +1 | <a href="#t12:42" class="time">12:42</a> |
| jmbuser | +1 | <a href="#t12:43" class="time">12:43</a> |
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| * jmbuser makes slowest response in Fedora meeting history | <a href="#t12:44" class="time">12:44</a> | |
| * quaid is still waiting for his last typing to appear on the screen | <a href="#t12:44" class="time">12:44</a> | |
| quaid | oh, wait, it did | <a href="#t12:44" class="time">12:44</a> |
| quaid | ok, then ... | <a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a> |
| couf | so shall we first get some basic "this is how you join Fedora"-instructions into the GIG, then spread the new mantra/offering to the world, and move on? | <a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a> |
| quaid | couf: well, those are already there; GIG can have that, but should focus more on the SIGs/Subprojects | <a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a> |
| quaid | oh | <a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a> |
| quaid | you mean | <a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a> |
| quaid | write that in first, stub out the pages, then announce, "come and fill and get some help with your contrib docs"? | <a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a> |
| * quaid sniffs a possible plan | <a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a> | |
| couf | yeah | <a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a> |
| quaid | +1 | <a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a> |
| jmbuser | cool | <a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a> |
| quaid | anyone feel they have the time to focus on the GIG to make that happen in a short timeframe? | <a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a> |
| couf | I could have a stab at it | <a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a> |
| quaid | coo' couf | <a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a> |
| quaid | Action: couf stab at GIG basic intro/join Fedora | <a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a> |
| couf | check | <a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a> |
| quaid | Action: then we send out announcements about the change in Docs focus/role | <a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a> |
| quaid | Action: meanwhile, feel free to blog about it at some point :) | <a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a> |
| * jmbuser needs to start blogging again | <a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a> | |
| quaid | word | <a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a> |
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| quaid | get addicted! | <a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a> |
| quaid | ok, anything more on this topic? | <a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a> |
| * quaid adds some more actionnotes | <a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a> | |
| quaid | Action: election and governance to the list | <a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a> |
| quaid | any other ones I missed? | <a href="#t12:50" class="time">12:50</a> |
| couf | not that I know off | <a href="#t12:50" class="time">12:50</a> |
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| quaid | ten minutes to go and the flo' is open | <a href="#t12:51" class="time">12:51</a> |
| couf | time frame on cvs kill? | <a href="#t12:51" class="time">12:51</a> |
| quaid | hmm | <a href="#t12:52" class="time">12:52</a> |
| quaid | reality? F10 or later because of content actively in there, right? | <a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a> |
| quaid | we are maintaining docs back to F8 | <a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a> |
| quaid | so we might need it opened until F9 EOLs | <a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a> |
| quaid | that said! | <a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a> |
| couf | ah right gpl and all that | <a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a> |
| quaid | we can move on from here, migrate guides for new work in to fedorahosted.org | <a href="#t12:54" class="time">12:54</a> |
| quaid | couf: also, it works to build from there for those versions, why risk a move? it will be for maintainers only at that point anyway | <a href="#t12:54" class="time">12:54</a> |
| quaid | that's my off-the-cuff assessment | <a href="#t12:54" class="time">12:54</a> |
| couf | sure :) | <a href="#t12:55" class="time">12:55</a> |
| quaid | I'd say, any guides we want to publish for F9+ should get a stand alone fedorahosted.org project, SCM of choice, and rock on | <a href="#t12:55" class="time">12:55</a> |
| quaid | not sure if we have to update any part of bugzilla there or not | <a href="#t12:56" class="time">12:56</a> |
| couf | and toolchain needs to get in there too | <a href="#t12:56" class="time">12:56</a> |
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| couf | so I might try that after the GIG stuff | <a href="#t12:58" class="time">12:58</a> |
| quaid | aye, that's true | <a href="#t12:58" class="time">12:58</a> |
| couf | as part of my will to work on the toolchain | <a href="#t12:58" class="time">12:58</a> |
| quaid | ok, that's about it | <a href="#t12:58" class="time">12:58</a> |
| quaid | anything else for today? | <a href="#t12:58" class="time">12:58</a> |
| quaid | I'ma closin' | <a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a> |
| couf | +1 | <a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a> |
| quaid | 30 | <a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a> |
| quaid | ~~ time warp ~~ | <a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a> |
| quaid | 5 | <a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a> |
| quaid | 4 | <a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a> |
| quaid | 3 | <a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a> |
| quaid | 2 | <a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a> |
| quaid | 1 | <a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a> |
| quaid | </meeting> | <a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a> |