Fedora Ambassador Tips (20090503 Classroom)

Given by Max Spevack (irc: spevack)

IRC Log

spevack	ok	00:00
* spevack is ready to get started. Who's here for the Fedora Ambassadors training & tips class?		00:00
* loupgaroublond is kibitzing		00:00
* nirik is watching and learning.		00:01
spevack	anyone else here?	00:01
* linuxguru is here for the clas		00:01
spevack	yay!	00:01
linuxguru	class*	00:01
spevack	alright, well I spent some time yesterday revising and re-doing my material, so let's go ahead and get started	00:02
spevack	There are two main audiences for this class:	00:02
spevack	* Folks new to Fedora eager to participate in their regional activities	00:02
spevack	* Experienced Ambassadors who want to train others	00:02
spevack	The goal is for this session to be interactive, so please ask questions!	00:03
spevack	My name is Max Spevack -- if you want to know more about me, you can read my wiki page -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack	00:03
spevack	Fedora Ambassadors continues to grow faster than any other group. This makes mentoring and training critical. To that end, I'm going to	00:03
cover the mission of Fedora Ambassadors, the importance to the rest of the Project, and also some how-tos of actually being a good
ambassador.
spevack	The goal of this class is to make sure that new Ambassadors who have joined the project understand how Fedora Ambassadors works, what your	00:04
local resources are, and how you can be an effective Ambassador.
spevack		00:04
spevack	Let's start by outlining the most important functions of Ambassadors (in no particular order):	00:04
spevack	(1) Fedora Ambassadors are often the "public face" of Fedora in their region, country, or city. Fedora Ambassadors organize the events in	00:04
which people are exposed to Fedora, and learn about the values of the Fedora Project -- freedom, friends, features, first.
spevack		00:05
spevack	(2) Fedora Ambassadors are the folks who implement the strategy that Fedora Marketing develops.	00:05
spevack		00:05
spevack	(3) Fedora Ambassadors are one of the most important means of recruiting new contributors to the larger Fedora Project.	00:05
spevack		00:05
spevack	Now we'll go into greater detail on all these points.	00:05
spevack	Any questions or comments so far?	00:06
linuxguru	no. please continue.	00:06
loupgaroublond	yes	00:06
linuxguru	okay	00:06
spevack	loupgaroublond: go ahead	00:06
liujiyun	go	00:06
loupgaroublond	is everyone looking for th ebasic stuff first or the more advanced parts?	00:06
spevack	loupgaroublond: i tailored this content to people who have never done anything w/ Ambassadors before, because it was suggested to me that a	00:07
bunch of newbies from India/APAC wanted to come to this class
loupgaroublond	gotcha :)	00:07
spevack	loupgaroublond: but we can crumple that up and move on to specific stuff you have if you like. All my content is written down and could just as easily be posted somewhere else	00:07
loupgaroublond	nah, i'll ping you for the advanced stuff later	00:07
spevack	loupgaroublond: if you have some specific questions, please ask them.	00:08
spevack	loupgaroublond: and either i'll say "let's discuss that later" or I'll answer it :)	00:08
loupgaroublond	sure	00:08
loupgaroublond	looks like your crowd is here now	00:09
* spevack stops, looks around, and asks if any of the folks who just joined are here for the Ambassadors training class		00:09
aveek	yes, I am for the Ambassadors training class	00:10
FedoraRick	I'm just checking it out the Ambassadors class out	00:10
spevack	aveek: would you consider yourself looking for "beginner" or more "advanced" material?	00:10
spevack	FedoraRick: same question to you	00:10
aveek	The "beginner" material	00:11
aveek	I am a Fedora ambassador under probation from India	00:11
aveek	And I am learning	00:12
spevack	ok, well I'll briefly recap what we have already covered	00:12
spevack	and then move on	00:12
spevack	I started by discussing the 3 most important functions of Fedora Ambassadors, and I'll paste that part again right now.	00:12
spevack		00:12
spevack	(1) Fedora Ambassadors are often the "public face" of Fedora in their region, country, or city. Fedora Ambassadors organize the events in	00:12
which people are exposed to Fedora, and learn about the values of the Fedora Project -- freedom, friends, features, first.
spevack	(2) Fedora Ambassadors are the folks who implement the strategy that Fedora Marketing develops.	00:13
spevack	(3) Fedora Ambassadors are one of the most important means of recruiting new contributors to the larger Fedora Project.	00:13
spevack		00:13
spevack	Now I want to go into more detail about each. Feel free to interrupt with questions any time.	00:13
spevack		00:13
aveek	ok	00:13
spevack	Let's start with (1), being the "public face" of Fedora in your region.	00:13
spevack	The first thing that people need to understand is that Ambassadors is an *active* group, meaning that to be a good Ambassador, you must be	00:13
willing to interact with other people, and to organize events.
spevack	Personal interaction is one of the most important parts of community building, and Fedora Ambassadors provide that far better than an IRC	00:13
session or a mailing list can. The lifeblood of Fedora Ambassadors is participating at, and organizing, events.
aveek	ok	00:14
spevack	This does *not* mean that you have to just go to a big conference and have a booth. Fedora Ambassadors are encouraged to work with schools,	00:14
universities, companies, as well as open source or free software events. The goal is to educate people about Fedora and about open source,
and then to help people become users, and eventually contributors.
spevack	Setting aside Fedora Ambassadors for a moment and talking about the general challenge of building a strong Fedora community overall my	00:14
experience has shown me that it is almost impossible to over-value what personal interaction brings to the community.
aveek	I am doing just that	00:14
spevack	aveek: great!	00:14
aveek	I am a student at NIT Agartala	00:14
spevack	aveek: what are you studying?	00:14
linuxguru	i am a student at Jodhpur university , india.	00:15
linuxguru	and run the LUG jaipur.	00:15
spevack	linuxguru: awesome!	00:15
aveek	Electronics & Communication Engineering	00:15
spevack	linuxguru: how often do you have meetings of the LUG?	00:15
linuxguru	we also plan to have some good events this summer in our local area. specially targeting fedora. planning a FAD too.	00:15
linuxguru	spevack, twice a month.	00:15
aveek	weekly	00:15
aveek	daily coding sessions at night	00:16
spevack	great, great stuff	00:16
liujiyun	I am a student at China ,I am major in Information security	00:16
linuxguru	i am a computer science student. doing major.	00:16
spevack	so, linuxguru mentioned Fedora Activity Days (FAD).	00:16
spevack	The importance of personal interaction is also one of the reasons why FUDCons and FADs are so important to Fedora. FUDCons and FADs are the	00:16
two "biggest" events that we organize within the Fedora community.
aveek	We plan a major install fest after the vacations-anytime between 15-20 July	00:16
linuxguru	aveek, i guess NIT have a local LUG.	00:16
spevack	aveek: for Fedora 11?	00:16
spevack	aveek: or for all distros?	00:17
spevack	aveek: (either answer is a good one!)	00:17
aveek	yes if I get DVDs else Fedora 10	00:17
linuxguru	spevack, yeah. i have heard alot about FAD. and i really plan to have one pretty soon. i also read the url link given by you that day in	00:17
meeting at #fedora-meeting. and got lot of ideas.
spevack	linuxguru: i'm going to cover that a bit more rightnow	00:17
spevack	FUDCon = Fedora Users and Developers Conference	00:17
spevack	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon	00:17
linuxguru	spevack, sure.	00:17
aveek	I am in regular contact with the NIT Durgapur LUG & Rangeen; & Susmit	00:17
spevack	FUDCon is a combination of sessions, talks, workshops, and hackfests in which contributors work on specific initiatives. Topics include	00:18
infrastructure, feature development, community building, general management and governance, marketing, testing and QA, packaging, etc.
FUDCons are typically held once per year, in each region of the world, and organization is led by Red Hat.
aveek	will have all distros & FOSS tools though	00:18
spevack	FAD = Fedora Activity Day	00:18
spevack	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD	00:18
spevack	A FAD is a regional event (either one-day or a multi-day) that allows Fedora contributors to gather together in order to work on specific	00:18
tasks related to the Fedora Project.
spevack	Originally, these meetings were used for local Fedora Ambassador groups to make their plans for the coming year, but the idea is being	00:18
expanded to bring local contributors together in order to work on any projects related to Fedora, and (if so desired) to organize some sort
of social event or to hold the event in an interesting location. FADs can be held as often as there is a reason to have them, and *anyone*
can organize a FAD.
spevack	We'll talk more about organizing events later on, unless there are any questions right now	00:20
linuxguru	spevack, i heard from susmit about this new format , where we organize FAD once and for 1 month we keep the students active in some	00:20
projects and after 1 month we plan another FAD. i would like to know more about this thing and how to actually implement this.
spevack	linuxguru: sure.	00:20
* icarus-c is googling FAD		00:21
linuxguru	icarus-c, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD	00:21
* icarus-c falls onto the ground		00:21
spevack	linuxguru: i haven't talked to susmit about it directly, but it sounds like he wants to use the Fedora Activity Day "structure" to get	00:22
people involved directly into different projects. What that list of projects are, I'm not sure, but it almost doesn't matter, as long as
folks want to work on them
spevack	I guess the idea would be to have a monthly meeting/workshop/hackfest and call it a FAD, and then each month introduce people to a new	00:22
project that they can work on for the coming month?
spevack	is that right?	00:22
linuxguru	yeah , like we have one local contact who continue mentoring students for the 1 month after FAD and help them with the projects they have	00:23
under taken
liujiyun	in China there are so little people to take part in ,I don't know how to connected others	00:23
linuxguru	spevack, and yes. no list of projects. i will be contacting susmit regarding that soon.	00:23
spevack	linuxguru: i'd be happy to help and provide input in that conversation if you like.	00:24
loupgaroublond	liujiyun, you start slow, and you find a good context for what you're doing, if you know a couple of people who are interested, it	00:24
helps to meet with them regularly
spevack	liujiyun: I've noticed that we do very few events of any sort in China. I'm sure there are some technical universities where we could have	00:24
people talking about Linux & Fedora & Open Source, or some shows where people attend wanting to learn more?
loupgaroublond	once you have regular meetings, it's easy to recruit other people	00:24
linuxguru	spevack, sure. let me get inputs from the next LUG meetup we have tomorrow and we will decide on exactly how we plan to under take this.	00:24
and i will mail you regarding this.
aveek	There is an inertia for the first timers	00:25
icarus-c	liujiyun: from my experience, we do have a number of fedora users in China, but they just don't show up in the "official" way	00:25
spevack	icarus-c: why do you think that is?	00:25
aveek	We are inexperienced about contributing code	00:25
liujiyun	icarus-c: maybe	00:25
icarus-c	i've been seeing people discussing about fedora on their forum	00:26
icarus-c	however, they never know of fedoraproject.org	00:26
icarus-c	or any fedorahosted thing	00:26
aveek	Can certain experts come for talks at our install fest or even via video-conference	00:27
liujiyun	icarus-c:how can we do to let some offical meeting hold on china	00:27
linuxguru	liujiyun, as i see it. china is big.	00:27
diamond_ramsey	Yes, China is big...	00:27
linuxguru	people are located from each other , very far.	00:27
diamond_ramsey	Hello everyone, sorry I'm late.	00:27
icarus-c	liujiyun: well.. it would be quite difficult since we don't have a common "official" platform	00:28
linuxguru	hello diamond_ramsey	00:28
icarus-c	and also note that China is big..	00:28
linuxguru	diamond_ramsey, are you from japan	00:28
diamond_ramsey	Yup this week, I'm in Tokyo.	00:28
spevack	well, all you can do is hold a meeting in your area, and try to grow it. liujiyun, are you our only Ambassador in all of China?	00:28
spevack	diamond_ramsey: welcome	00:28
linuxguru	diamond_ramsey, cool. welcome to the meeting.	00:28
diamond_ramsey	:) I try doing Fedora 9 & 10 distributions (next month Fedora 11)  :)	00:28
* icarus-c mentions that he comes from hong Kong		00:28
liujiyun	yes,if we have adhesion of offical ,it may be a little easy	00:29
icarus-c	Very very limited fedora and linux users here in hong kong	00:29
spevack	icarus-c: my parents live in hong kong today, and I lived there with them as a child for 4 years.	00:29
linuxguru	spevack, and as well , let me tell you. we had a fedora install fest in a local engineering college here in Rajasthan , India. and the	00:29
turn out was good. i am working with other guys to get a proper report of that event and will be posting soon on the planet.
icarus-c	people would blame me usually when i introduce fedora / linux to them	00:29
liujiyun	I am trying to be a Ambassador	00:29
spevack	icarus-c: why do they blame you?	00:29
spevack	liujiyun: are there any universities near you? where in China are you located?	00:30
icarus-c	they all believe that linux is for servers and experts in studying computer science or programmers. and thus, complicated and not suitable	00:30
for desktop use
icarus-c	also they love windows so much	00:30
liujiyun	yes ,I am in Central South University in Hunan	00:31
linuxguru	icarus-c, i believe fedora very well support chinese languages .	00:31
aveek	the initial rejection is also faced by us	00:31
diamond_ramsey	True on the languages.	00:31
liujiyun	there are many universities nearby	00:31
icarus-c	but anyway, since netbook becomes more common, some lucky people have seen that light of linux with ubuntu	00:31
aveek	until they know of its reliability, less prone to viruses	00:31
diamond_ramsey	Initial rejection, too, but the techies come to love it.	00:31
diamond_ramsey	:) Hi linuxguru & spevack!  :) I hope that the APAC and EMEA will update their Wiki pages more and use that Wiki page as a	00:31
reference. That was my goal and seems like a good way to get my Fedora users to our Web Site.  :)
icarus-c	however, they are stuck with ubuntu....	00:31
icarus-c	linuxguru: chinese support is great	00:32
* icarus-c points out that the ibus cangjie input method is a bit strange		00:32
spevack	linuxguru: perhaps you could talk a bit about the install-fest you have done in universities, so that someone like liujiyun can see how we	00:33
do it and maybe try to organize one also
linuxguru	icarus-c, glad to hear that. i believe you need to get a local meetup of know peoples first. start with a small group. and let's see how	00:33
big it goes. we started in the same way. and in just 2 months you see we have organized a big event in a engineering college. even fedora
contributors were glad to send us 100 dvds of fedora 10
linuxguru	spevack, sure.	00:33
liujiyun	spevack: I am in Central South Univercity which located in changsha ,hunan ,and there are other univercity near our campus	00:33
icarus-c	linuxguru: i can only start from school....	00:33
icarus-c	unless i get into an university	00:34
linuxguru	liujiyun, icarus-c , what i believe will be good for you initially is , talk to people you know , your friends, and have regular meetings.	00:34
discuss about the things you have accomplished , they have done , interested in.
diamond_ramsey	I have had good success the input method input-anthy with iBus on Fedora 11.	00:34
spevack	liujiyun: i think it's also useful to tell people about what is going on in Fedora.	00:34
diamond_ramsey	I found that getting my "users" at the techie "hangouts" in downtown was a good introduction.	00:34
* icarus-c did pull 3 friends to fedora		00:34
spevack	for instance, icarus-c mentioned that folks don't think Fedora is suitable for the desktop	00:34
spevack	that's a perfect opportunity to do a presentation where you demonstrate all the things you can do w/ Fedora as a desktop OS	00:35
spevack	including things you CANNOT do on Windows	00:35
linuxguru	liujiyun, icarus-c then you contact your school / university management to provide you a bit of small infrastructure like classroom , labs	00:35
to organize practical sessions on basic stuff , like using fedora , getting basic things done in fedora , how to install fedora ,
co-relating software package names with the commonly used windows software name, we have done that.
loupgaroublond	icarus-c, sometimes it's more effective to get each of them to pull another three friends, instead of just pulling another three	00:35
yourself ;)
icarus-c	spevack: i would say the multi-media and 3rd party driver support is a big obstacle for newbie	00:35
liujiyun	spevack: the most important problem in china is the yum source	00:35
spevack	for example, in Fedora 11 PackageKit can look at file extensions and then install the software needed to open the file. Windows cannot do	00:35
this
spevack	icarus-c: rpmfusion :)	00:35
diamond_ramsey	Everyone ---> Good ideas! +1	00:35
spevack	liujiyun: what do you mean?	00:35
liujiyun	the yum sources in china is very little	00:36
linuxguru	spevack, the problem is costly internet connection , and slow connection :-)	00:36
liujiyun	and the speed is so slow	00:36
linuxguru	spevack, APAC/India faces this problem.	00:36
spevack	yeah	00:36
icarus-c	linuxguru: 1 idea fly-by my mind --- bring down the school computer system and introduce fedora or linux to them.	00:36
aveek	we have almost no connectivity	00:36
aveek	NIT Durgapur LUG is giving us repos on disc	00:36
spevack	is it a problem with needing more mirrors, or just internet infrastructure in general?	00:36
loupgaroublond	spevack, it's both	00:37
linuxguru	icarus-c, sure. you can start doing it. it's definitely not impossible to convince your school authorities to provide you the required	00:37
infrastructure once you have a small group running.
icarus-c	spevack: as i said --- newbie , they don't know what's rpmfusion, they don't even know what is drivers, packages, dependency...	00:37
linuxguru	spevack, internet in general is a problem. as well as the mirrors in india are having problems every now and then. my yum mostly errors	00:37
out on the indian mirrors and switch to one of the tawian / japan mirrors
liujiyun	in china there are only some education mirrors	00:37
icarus-c	Microsoft hurts them so badly	00:38
liujiyun	and these mirrors which can't be viewed by the one not in education net	00:38
icarus-c	people think that the system should work out-of-the-box without any knowledge about computer, just like buying OEM computer shipped with	00:38
windows
spevack	liujiyun: what can the larger Fedora Project do to help fix that? What should we do?	00:39
linuxguru	spevack, it is been seen that for people to get started with fedora at the initial level , they need to be provided with softwares that	00:39
can play there mp3s , avi's out of the box.
aveek	icarus-c : convince them to come out of their shell,otherwise the'll never develop. Further keep learning yourself to demonstrate to them &	00:39
to increase your own knowledge
spevack	linuxguru: i understand that -- and if that is the case, then I think we should be doing presentations and teaching people how to set up	00:40
third-party repositories like rpmfusion that provide those things.
linuxguru	spevack, like if possible we can get a copy of fedora dvd's having "Everything" repo. we can rsync the rpmfusion repository pretty easily	00:40
(not so big) and use these both during local install fest.
icarus-c	besides, sometimes i use $ free as an advantage of using fedora. people would say, i don't need to pay for Windows as well..... (99% of	00:40
chinese use pirated software... in mainland, store even sell Pirated software as Genuine)
spevack	teaching people how to extend the "default" functionality of Fedora is a perfectly fine topic	00:40
liujiyun	cooperation with chinese goverment	00:40
linuxguru	spevack, and get a perfectly suitable desktop running for the end user.	00:41
liujiyun	and other company such as red flag	00:41
icarus-c	aveek: talking about demonstration, the best way to catch their interest is to demonstrate the fancy desktop effect and cubic desktop...	00:41
spevack	linuxguru: i'm sure we can make that happen.	00:41
icarus-c	people interested in appearance more than the capability of the system	00:41
aveek	this is exactly what we did to get our LUG official	00:41
spevack	linuxguru: i will send a note to our two main contacts -- Sankarshan and Harish -- and ask them when they make Fedora 11 medias, if we can	00:41
make some of the Everything repo.
linuxguru	spevack, that be great , IMO	00:42
diamond_ramsey	great idea.	00:42
spevack	do most of the universities in China teach programming on Windows or Linux?	00:42
icarus-c	Is it possible for us to deliver FREE fedora copies as CD/DVD as ubuntu did (by Canonical)	00:42
spevack	icarus-c: we give out all our media for free	00:42
liujiyun	spevack: chinese universities teach programming on windows	00:43
icarus-c	spevack: well.. we lack the maintainer in china	00:43
spevack	icarus-c: but aside from FreeMedia project, we don't have the ability to mail individual copies to every person. that's why we try to	00:43
organize events :)
icarus-c	liujiyun: exactly!	00:43
icarus-c	liujiyun: even the professor or computer science graduates don't even know linux	00:43
icarus-c	liujiyun: or at least they havn't touch linux	00:43
liujiyun	we use turboc 2.0 and dev cpp	00:43
spevack	liujiyun: interesting... so where other countries give us a great chance to expose university computer science students to linux, the	00:44
challenge is much more difficult in china
aveek	same in India, though little better	00:44
spevack	ok, so one of the big takeaways is to make the Everything media available.	00:44
spevack	what else can we be doing?	00:44
liujiyun	about 70% never heard linux	00:44
icarus-c	what they know about linux is just about what they read on textbook --- "Linux is an open source multi-user networking Operating system	00:44
which is designed for server use"
linuxguru	liujiyun, you need a revolution like I had in my university. I brought fedora here. now we have a 10 computer fedora lab. running fedora 8	00:44
spevack	linuxguru: good for you!	00:45
icarus-c	liujiyun: i would say 95% in hong kong	00:45
loupgaroublond	part of the challenge is convincing them that Fedora and Linux is far better for doing development on	00:45
linuxguru	liujiyun, and you are the person who is going to do that. start with a small group. i am sure you can make it happen. don't worry about	00:45
the big things for now
loupgaroublond	just showing people that it can be easier to do coursework on Fedora goes a long way	00:45
liujiyun	yes	00:45
diamond_ramsey	yes, user and developer futures are possible with linux.	00:46
aveek	We are having a proposal to have complete FOSS & Linux to cut costs	00:46
icarus-c	loupgaroublond: they want to put their MS office dvd into the machine and complain can't install -> linux sucks	00:46
liujiyun	in china ,people must do something to survive with the compressive stress	00:46
icarus-c	liujiyun: stress refers to VIRUSES on windows? :P	00:46
* icarus-c notes that viruses in China in crazy as 99% of people are using pirated software		00:47
loupgaroublond	icarus-c, remind them that they can't do it in OS X, and then show them that open office is already installed	00:47
aveek	or stressful on process deadlocks in Vista	00:47
liujiyun	maybe ,I always install windows through ghost for them	00:47
aveek	open office is much better at FREE	00:47
icarus-c	loupgaroublond: that's why they don't run os x as well... even when some people buy Mac, they would wipe OS X out and install windows...	00:48
linuxguru	guys in my humble opinion , the case of china , should be under taken in a step by step manner. people like liujiyun , icarus-c should	00:48
start with small groups. no matter . even 1 - 2 people group and do it that way.
diamond_ramsey	+1 on openoffice	00:48
linuxguru	they can get help from fedora contact person in india and APAC	00:48
diamond_ramsey	yes, start "small" and grow...	00:48
* icarus-c +sys.maxint on openoffice		00:48
liujiyun	maybe ,the important is detachment of interest	00:49
liujiyun	student want to find a job	00:49
aveek	Definitely Linux requires more effort	00:49
icarus-c	linuxguru: among the 3 friends pulled by me to fedora, only 1 is clever enough to survive	00:49
liujiyun	White-collar want to advance in office	00:49
aveek	But for better jobs, you need to know about Linux	00:50
icarus-c	linuxguru: that 1 can find out how to get pppoe & go on msn and install wine without my intervention!	00:50
aveek	Hackers spend so much of their energy??	00:50
liujiyun	only a little ,which only use the great source of linux	00:50
linuxguru	icarus-c, you can make them clever. i guess. let them know. help them around. i started with linux in 2002. with RH 7.2 and since then	00:50
converted most of my friends to use linux. i use to go to there home and install linux on there machine. tell them how to hide files in
linux. no one can see linux partitions in windows. then later told them how to use virus free internet in linux.
aveek	they will learn to use web resources in this way only..	00:50
liujiyun	such as do some programming with linux ,they don't have the linux spirit	00:51
linuxguru	icarus-c, then i told them how to play mp3 , avi in linux. in my local area i have more than 15 people i know personally using linux or	00:51
know what it is.
* icarus-c is so happy as 2 more of his friends have requested him to install fedora for them few weeks later		00:51
diamond_ramsey	nice	00:51
aveek	codecs are searched automatically	00:51
spevack	aveek: and if you have rpmfusion, it will all Just Work	00:52
icarus-c	aveek: sometimes	00:52
linuxguru	icarus-c, when it reaches a certain level. you can definitely make it big. like I did. i started the local linux user group here.	00:52
icarus-c	spevack: would it be possible to ship rpmfusion along with fedora but disabled by default but it ask whether to enable when needed?	00:52
liujiyun	ok,I will try to be a linux a ambassdors	00:52
diamond_ramsey	liujiyun +1	00:53
icarus-c	liujiyun: prepare a bunch of dvd first :D	00:53
loupgaroublond	icarus-c, there was an initiative to put something together that does that for you	00:53
loupgaroublond	i think it was called 'omega'	00:53
diamond_ramsey	I think that everyone give good ideas.	00:53
icarus-c	loupgaroublond: yea omega	00:53
linuxguru	icarus-c, i think you can rsync rpmfusion , its not that big , do you have fast internet for that at least?	00:53
spevack	icarus-c: unfortunately, that is not possible due to the legal restrictions that Fedora operates under. But loupgaroublond is right --	00:53
there is a Fedora respin called Omega that does just that!
icarus-c	linuxguru: i have a 30Mbps internet :D	00:54
linuxguru	icarus-c, that is way ahead then what i am using right now!	00:54
spevack	icarus-c: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-September/msg00015.html	00:54
icarus-c	spevack: would omega still called fedora or omega	00:54
icarus-c	spevack: like would /etc/redhate-release contains fedora	00:54
icarus-c	linuxguru: can i officially declared as a mirror of rpmfusion ?	00:55
linuxguru	icarus-c, you can use it in your local network.	00:55
* icarus-c was once try to be one of fedora repo mirror... but holy... so big		00:55
spevack	icarus-c: ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/spins/omega-10-desktop-livecd.ks	00:55
linuxguru	icarus-c, yeah its very huge	00:55
icarus-c	!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11	00:56
icarus-c	ks!!	00:56
icarus-c	i can make my own respin!	00:56
spevack	icarus-c: ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/spins/	00:56
icarus-c	how can i forgot this :D	00:56
spevack	icarus-c: of course!!! :)	00:56
linuxguru	icarus-c, omega has rpmfusion packages as well as it enabled with fedora , fedora-updates and rpmfusion repos	00:56
icarus-c	ship my of spin to my friends with everything setup :D	00:56
spevack	icarus-c: absolutely	00:56
* icarus-c will look for respin guide after his exam tomorrow		00:57
linuxguru	liujiyun, you can do the same in your dormitory	00:57
liujiyun	icarus-c: they have to play games under windows	00:57
liujiyun	icarus-c: such as WAR3 DNF ...	00:58
spevack	ok, our hour is almost up. We can continue to chat for a bit, but I wanted to thank you all for coming to today's class, which is	00:58
"officially" over, but the "unofficial" conversation can still go on :)
linuxguru	liujiyun, glad to contacted icarus-c he uses wine to play windows game	00:58
icarus-c	maybe i can even make a netinst mirror using my server :D	00:58
icarus-c	so that i can deliver cds instead of dvds	00:58
spevack	icarus-c: good idea	00:58
liujiyun	wine is not stable	00:58
icarus-c	wine is great enough	00:59
loupgaroublond	wine's just good enough	00:59
liujiyun	spevack:you are offical people?	00:59
linuxguru	spevack, thanks for the guidance. once again a great class , time went by , and we didn't noticed ;-)	00:59
loupgaroublond	when i get people to switch, i show them they can dual boot windows and fedora	00:59
diamond_ramsey	:) Good class, thank you!  :)	00:59
liujiyun	oh,yesterday I use wine to play WAR3	01:00
liujiyun	faild	01:00
loupgaroublond	then i sugges that once they feel comfortable, they should try a 30 day no windows challenge	01:00
diamond_ramsey	loupgaroublond +1 dual boot	01:00
linuxguru	loupgaroublond, that is great , lol :-)	01:00
loupgaroublond	wine's great because it means they don't feel compelled to reboot into windows nearly as often	01:00
spevack	loupgaroublond: good idea also.	01:00
icarus-c	can someone point me to a good guide on creating respin & setting up HTTP/FTP install mirror ?	01:00
liujiyun	icarus-c: can you tell me how to wine War3	01:01
loupgaroublond	linuxguru, have a look at the wine application database on the winehq website	01:01
aveek	Warcraft, Counterstrike & Age of Empires have been successfully played by our LUG	01:01
icarus-c	liujiyun: make it personal :D	01:01
diamond_ramsey	excellent	01:01
liujiyun	ok	01:01
liujiyun	icarus-c: I hava try to do it ,but when I access it It get a darkscreen that I Have to reboot	01:02
icarus-c	liujiyun: have you tried going to tty or restart X ?	01:03
icarus-c	sometimes just refresh rate issue	01:03
icarus-c	off topic here :D	01:03
liujiyun	ok	01:04
diamond_ramsey	Best to you on your Ambassador Adventure...I started small and things sort of grew.  :)	01:05
liujiyun	I will be a develop of fedora in the future	01:07
liujiyun	developer	01:07
diamond_ramsey	good idea.	01:07
diamond_ramsey	There are lots of resources for fedora and linux...future big systems in your country will have a greater opportunity with Linux.	01:08
You are on the ground floor for this adventure.
diamond_ramsey	Going to eat dinner bye all.	01:08
liujiyun	Bue	01:09
liujiyun	bye	01:09
* linuxguru waiting for his lunch at the moment		01:12
aveek	spevack : is it possible to have you to give a talk for our install fest via video-conference??	01:13
loupgaroublond	he's gone back to sleep	01:14
spevack	aveek: i don't have any of the equipment needed to do it.	01:14
spevack	loupgaroublond: not yet :)	01:14
loupgaroublond	or not, haha	01:14
spevack	aveek: but	01:15
spevack	aveek: we could try to figure it out.	01:15
spevack	aveek: i gave a talk recently that is on youtube that people might find interesting	01:15
* spevack goes to look for it		01:15
spevack	aveek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_UH75oGPVs	01:16
loupgaroublond	great, now i'm so tired i don't understand the code i wrote, haha	01:16
spevack	aveek: let me know what you think of that, maybe you could show that at your install fest	01:17
aveek	Could I have something "Live"	01:18
aveek	The fest will be for 2 days sometime between 15-20 July...	01:18
aveek	Not a long talk	01:18
spevack	aveek: i'm sure we can figure it out :)	01:18
spevack	aveek: at least by skype if nothing else!	01:19
aveek	thanks a lot	01:19
spevack	aveek: my pleasure	01:19
loupgaroublond	aveek, we do have an asterix network available to fedora contributors too	01:19
loupgaroublond	i'm not sure it would work best where you don't have alot of bandwidth, but the tools are there, in fedora	01:20
aveek	we will shut down all other computers that day..no problem	01:20
loupgaroublond	well, yeah, i just mean the tools are there, if two fedora users want to have a voice to voice conversation, they can do it for 'free' anywhere on the globe	01:22
loupgaroublond	'free' because you still need to pay for the internet hookup	01:22

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