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(Redirected from BugZapper/Meetings/Minutes-2008-Jul-29)| jds2001 | who's here? | 10:00 |
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| * stickster is sort of here | 10:00 | |
| aitrus | harrow | 10:00 |
| stickster | jds2001: No mcepl? Our meeting "owner"? | 10:02 |
| jds2001 | apparently not :) | 10:02 |
| jds2001 | nor comphappy | 10:02 |
| * jds2001 is lucky $work meeting got rescheduled to Friday (and then cancelled) | 10:03 | |
| stickster | jds2001: Do you want to take it over since you're obviously here? | 10:03 |
| stickster | (if it's worth having with just two of us around) | 10:03 |
| * jds2001 not sure it's worth it, since I didnt do anything last week :( | 10:04 | |
| stickster | jds2001: I didn't either, I'm ashamed to say -- but not out of disinterest | 10:04 |
| jds2001 | work has had me bogged down morning, noon, and night | 10:04 |
| jds2001 | heh same here. | 10:04 |
| jds2001 | before we adjourn i guess, what targets to set for next week? | 10:06 |
| stickster | jds2001: *sigh | 10:08 |
| stickster | Aha, there's our organizer | 10:08 |
| comphappy | morning | 10:08 |
| jds2001 | morning | 10:08 |
| comphappy | who all do we have here | 10:08 |
| stickster | morning comphappy | 10:08 |
| jds2001 | me and stickster :) | 10:09 |
| stickster | The three of us, apparently. I pinged mcepl but he's not around. | 10:09 |
| comphappy | well we might as well get started | 10:09 |
| stickster | comphappy: Ready when you are | 10:09 |
| comphappy | first I think that the stats that were given last week were wrong | 10:10 |
| jds2001 | Do you have the link that poelcat used? | 10:10 |
| comphappy | if you look at the ones that i generated in the agenda they show that our situation is much worse :/ | 10:10 |
| comphappy | no i was not here last week | 10:11 |
| jds2001 | oh, ok | 10:11 |
| stickster | Yies | 10:12 |
| stickster | *Yikes,even | 10:12 |
| comphappy | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/report.cgi?bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=MODIFIED&bug_status=ON_DEV&bug_status=ON_QA&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=FAILS_QA&bug_status=RELEASE_PENDING&bug_status=POST&bug_status=PASSES_QA&bug_status=CLOSED&bugidtype=include&chfieldto=Now&emailassigned_to1=1&emailassigned_to2=1&emailcc2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailreporter2=1&emai | 10:12 |
| comphappy | ltype1=exact&emailtype2=exact&field0-0-0=noop&fixed_in_type=allwordssubstr&keywords_type=allwords&long_desc_type=substring&product=Fedora&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&type0-0-0=noop&version=8&version=9&version=rawhide&x_axis_field=version&y_axis_field=bug_status&width=600&height=350&action=wrap&ctype=csv&format=table | 10:12 |
| buggbot | <http://tinyurl.com/5ubxsg> (at bugzilla.redhat.com) | 10:12 |
| comphappy | I think we need to see what we can do to pull more people in to help ideas? | 10:13 |
| jds2001 | hmm i see 1480 NEW rawhide bugs | 10:13 |
| jds2001 | which is in line with what was mentioned last week | 10:14 |
| comphappy | that could be what he was talking about | 10:14 |
| jds2001 | yeah, it was. | 10:14 |
| comphappy | should our focus be rawhide or releases | 10:14 |
| comphappy | i have been doing release work | 10:14 |
| jds2001 | ideally everything, but rawhide is the biggest win | 10:14 |
| mcepl | sorry, I am here late | 10:15 |
| jds2001 | youre fired :) | 10:15 |
| comphappy | we are just getting started | 10:15 |
| stickster | comphappy: Yes, I think we covered that last week, re: focus. | 10:15 |
| comphappy | mcepl, take a look here http://tinyurl.com/5ubxsg | 10:15 |
| mcepl | ok, and? | 10:16 |
| comphappy | from what I read of last weeks chat we said we were going to focus on bugs of status NEW | 10:16 |
| mcepl | I got "Reporting and Charting Kitchen" | 10:16 |
| comphappy | http://tinyurl.com/6lbs3l | 10:17 |
| jds2001 | yeah, that tinyurl must be busted | 10:17 |
| mcepl | http://tinyurl.com/4cavl2 | 10:17 |
| comphappy | are we wanting to narrow our focus more and say rawhide NEW | 10:18 |
| comphappy | i think release 8 should be the least of our focus | 10:18 |
| comphappy | if we start with rawhide we might be able to catch back up | 10:19 |
| jds2001 | and we *do* need more folks | 10:20 |
| jds2001 | but to get them, we need something that stickster mentioned to me months ago, documentation. | 10:20 |
| jds2001 | and we have someone to write it, even :) | 10:21 |
| comphappy | I have been working on fixing some of the wiki | 10:21 |
| comphappy | I added info on mcepl's greasemonkey scripts | 10:21 |
| comphappy | what is "missing" | 10:22 |
| jds2001 | cool. What I think would be ultra-cool is if Murray actually *did* some triage (not much) and tell us where what we have is lacking. | 10:22 |
| mcepl | comphappy: well, info is not enough, I would need somebody who is not Red Hat employee to maintain them. | 10:22 |
| jds2001 | or if anyone else tells us what's lacking, really :) | 10:22 |
| jds2001 | why exclude RHT employees? | 10:23 |
| comphappy | mcepl, sorry i know nothing about writing greasemonkey scripts, and I have enough things on my plate to learn and keep on top of | 10:24 |
| jds2001 | mcepl: can you check them into the triage git repo? | 10:24 |
| jds2001 | i added you since you have all those great things :) You probably get mail from FAS about being added to 'gittriage' | 10:25 |
| comphappy | jds2001, who is Murray? | 10:25 |
| jds2001 | repo is ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/triage.git | 10:25 |
| mcepl | BTW, one more thing is lacking -- we are saying that for moving from NEW to ASSIGNED the only thing needed is to have enough information. Actually, it isn't -- if possible (and I know that in many cases, it is not possible) but triager should try its commercially reasonable effort to reproduce the bug and if she manages to do so, make note about it in the bug comment. He may be later called to test whether the bug has been fixed. | 10:25 |
| mcepl | comphappy: http://mcepl.fedorapeople.org/repo/greasemonkey.git/ | 10:26 |
| mcepl | just a little bit of Javascript really, nothing much complicated. | 10:26 |
| mcepl | jds2001: OH, THAT is the explanation! | 10:26 |
| jds2001 | comphappy: Murray McAllister, a docs guy | 10:27 |
| jds2001 | stickster could probably say more :) | 10:27 |
| comphappy | mcepl, i know but i dont feel dependable as a maintainer for that sorry | 10:28 |
| mcepl | OK | 10:28 |
| mcepl | anybody else? | 10:28 |
| comphappy | but they seem to work fine right now? | 10:28 |
| * jds2001 doesnt know javascript | 10:28 | |
| jds2001 | yeah, they work fine for now | 10:28 |
| stickster | Me neither. I stole someone else's the other day. | 10:28 |
| jds2001 | maybe a little cleanup is in order. | 10:28 |
| comphappy | I could take a look at them and see what I can do | 10:29 |
| stickster | jds2001: I think what's on the site is pretty good, but cleanup could be useful. | 10:29 |
| stickster | Trying to orient things on a Q&A basis is often really helpful. | 10:29 |
| comphappy | stickster have you used the greasemonkey scripts i linked | 10:29 |
| mcepl | The changes needed are usually trivial -- adding new button (copy one line of text), adding new text (copying two blocks of text). I will gladly help to explain everything, but it is really bother for me to switch to non-RH account all the tiem. | 10:30 |
| jds2001 | we need questions first :) | 10:30 |
| stickster | comphappy: No | 10:30 |
| comphappy | stickster this week give it a try | 10:30 |
| comphappy | its located in the tools section on the wiki | 10:30 |
| comphappy | ok well lets move on we are 1/2 done | 10:31 |
| comphappy | there was some discussion of a "bug hour" | 10:31 |
| mcepl | jds2001: OK, so should I add new directory greasemonkey? | 10:32 |
| jds2001 | mcepl: sure | 10:32 |
| jds2001 | and whatever else you like :) | 10:32 |
| mcepl | all: could somebody reply to my comment about trying to reproduce? | 10:32 |
| jds2001 | oh, yes | 10:32 |
| comphappy | mcepl, yes | 10:32 |
| jds2001 | i try most of the time if I can. | 10:32 |
| jds2001 | especially if it's a crasher with no stack trace, it's imperative that you do to gather one. | 10:33 |
| comphappy | but I dont think it should hold people back | 10:33 |
| comphappy | if it is a hardware dependent issue and you dont have it i dont think it should just be skipped | 10:34 |
| jds2001 | (obviously if you cant make it happen, ask the reporter to reproduce and for a stack trace) | 10:34 |
| comphappy | sounds like a new button for the GreaseMonkey script | 10:34 |
| jds2001 | i think there already is one fo rthat. | 10:35 |
| jds2001 | but the wording maybe needs to be cleaned up a little. | 10:35 |
| comphappy | ok well lets go back to what I wanted to move on to Bug Hour | 10:35 |
| jds2001 | Ubuntu has bug days, Mozilla does, etc. | 10:36 |
| comphappy | it seemed like this would be a place we could drag new triagers in | 10:36 |
| jds2001 | poelcat and I have discussed this at length before | 10:36 |
| comphappy | and give them a short training on bugs | 10:36 |
| jds2001 | what is needed is FOCUS. | 10:36 |
| jds2001 | like "today, we're doing OO.o" | 10:36 |
| comphappy | I agree | 10:37 |
| jds2001 | he said that he has participated in several bug days and it felt like a waste of his time | 10:38 |
| jds2001 | since they basically just said "go forth!" | 10:38 |
| comphappy | you remember when i started and pestered you in fedora-qa as i was going though | 10:38 |
| jds2001 | yep, that's what we need. | 10:39 |
| comphappy | that could be reduced by doing it all at once | 10:39 |
| comphappy | i.e. bug hour | 10:39 |
| jds2001 | there is a presentation in the git repo, btw that I gave at FUDCon. | 10:39 |
| jds2001 | we skipped the last part of the presentation in favor of live demo. | 10:39 |
| mcepl | jds2001: http://www.pastebin.cz/show/7175 | 10:39 |
| jds2001 | interesting | 10:40 |
| comphappy | I was thinking that next year i should do one at my local linuxfest there was a lot of interest in helping with fedora there this year | 10:41 |
| comphappy | Jesse was there and did a few | 10:41 |
| mcepl | well, probably more than bug hour, I would think something like Q&A office hours -- this is the time, when somebody will be prepared on #fedora-qa to answer your questions. Of course, we are there all the time, but to emphasize that in this time specially we are there and the answers should be asked. | 10:41 |
| jds2001 | sounds good to me, the concept has been brought up in multiple contexts recently | 10:42 |
| comphappy | Should i create a chart that people "sign-up" on the wiki | 10:42 |
| jds2001 | i think there is one | 10:42 |
| jds2001 | oh, for office hours you mean | 10:42 |
| jds2001 | sure | 10:42 |
| jds2001 | i'll be available in the evenings Eastern time | 10:43 |
| comphappy | I will send something to the list when I get it up | 10:43 |
| jds2001 | we should also publish our Fedora Talk extensions | 10:43 |
| comphappy | the VOIP stuff? | 10:43 |
| jds2001 | yeah | 10:44 |
| comphappy | ok I will make a table for that too | 10:44 |
| jds2001 | get a headset if you dont have one :) | 10:44 |
| comphappy | I have yet to test it | 10:44 |
| jds2001 | I jsut did this weekend. | 10:45 |
| jds2001 | setting up ekiga is sorta non-obvious, ping me if you have problems. | 10:45 |
| comphappy | ok, lets set some goals for next week and a focus | 10:45 |
| comphappy | rawhide is 1481 | 10:46 |
| comphappy | on NEW | 10:46 |
| comphappy | NEEDINFO is only at 107 | 10:46 |
| comphappy | does taking NEW down to 1381 by next week sound reasonable | 10:48 |
| jds2001 | sure | 10:48 |
| comphappy | ok lets do it, I will add it to our goals | 10:49 |
| comphappy | and for the sake of consistency lets all use this http://tinyurl.com/6lbs3l query to base results? | 10:50 |
| comphappy | jds2001, i edited your wikiizing script to make it work a little better and will commit it tonight or tomorrow | 10:51 |
| comphappy | ok that covers everything in the agenda for this week, any short topics people want to bring up? | 10:52 |
| comphappy | It would be nice to have 10 people here next week | 10:52 |
| mcepl | jds2001: I will need you privately (I cannot log to that fedorahosted thing) | 10:53 |
| jds2001 | ok | 10:54 |
| * jds2001 just got a call from work | 10:54 | |
| jds2001 | stupid question, youre using the same key as in your FAS acct? | 10:54 |
| mcepl | sure | 10:55 |
| mcepl | and I can commit to CVS | 10:55 |
| jds2001 | weird | 10:55 |
| comphappy | who is going to post the log? | 10:55 |
| comphappy | y | 10:55 |
| comphappy | and last weeks never made in onto the wiki | 10:56 |
| comphappy | although i know it was uploaded | 10:56 |
| comphappy | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings | 10:56 |
| comphappy | jds2001, can you get todays log up? | 10:57 |
| mcepl | jds2001: silly me, different account name | 10:58 |
| comphappy | ok i think that ends out meeting | 11:00 |
| comphappy | I think we go something accomplished | 11:00 |
| comphappy | would someone please change the channel msg | 11:01 |
| * comphappy is off to work | 11:03 | |
| * stickster has been in and out, sorry -- sorting out internship details. | 11:04 | |
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