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= Action Items =
= Action Items =
# tflink - check alpha/beta/final validation results and ensure bugs are correctly marked as blockers
# tflink - check alpha/beta/final validation results and ensure bugs are correctly marked as blockers
# j_dulaney - check in with anaconda and releng teams on the feasibility of making the rats point (08-31)
# j_dulaney - check in with anaconda and releng teams on the feasibility of making the rats point (08-31) an early TC
# j_dulaney - chair the next meeting
# j_dulaney - chair the next meeting


= IRC Log =
= IRC Log =
{|
|- id="t15:00:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting fedora-qa-meeting
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|- id="t15:00:36"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Mon Aug 22 15:00:36 2011 UTC.  The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#t15:00:36|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:36"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#t15:00:36|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #meetingname fedora-qa-meeting
|| [[#t15:00:40|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:40"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa-meeting'
|| [[#t15:00:40|15:00]]
|- id="t15:01:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic roll call
|| [[#t15:01:35|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | hey everyone, is it just me?
|| [[#t15:01:44|15:01]]
|- id="t15:02:02"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | yep, meeting for one :-D
|| [[#t15:02:02|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:24"
| colspan="2" | * mkrizek present
|| [[#t15:02:24|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:29"
| colspan="2" | * brunowolff is here
|| [[#t15:02:29|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | my favourite kind
|| [[#t15:02:38|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:44"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | reaching consensus is much easier when you're by yourself
|| [[#t15:02:44|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | all you other kids just screw up my meetings
|| [[#t15:02:55|15:02]]
|- id="t15:03:25"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | that's what I'm here for - glad to hear that I'm achieving my purpose
|| [[#t15:03:25|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | that's why we pay you the premium peanuts
|| [[#t15:03:53|15:03]]
|- id="t15:04:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic previous meeting follow-up
|| [[#t15:04:49|15:04]]
|- id="t15:05:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so this one's pretty light, as last week just turned into a blocker review...
|| [[#t15:05:00|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | "robatino, adamw or tflink - do RC4 announcement once the compose is complete"
|| [[#t15:05:07|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | and, i'm pretty sure that happened.
|| [[#t15:05:12|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:24"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | that and RC5
|| [[#t15:05:24|15:05]]
|- id="t15:06:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so yay.
|| [[#t15:06:09|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:11"
| colspan="2" | * jskladan lurks
|| [[#t15:06:11|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic l10n / i18n test week
|| [[#t15:06:21|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:23"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney is here
|| [[#t15:06:23|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | hey jays
|| [[#t15:06:30|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:38"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Sorry for the lateness, overslept
|| [[#t15:06:38|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | this was scheduled for this week - it's going to be the first major f16 test event - but there's news...
|| [[#t15:06:53|15:06]]
|- id="t15:07:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | i don't think anyone involved is around, so i'll pass it on: it's being pushed back a week
|| [[#t15:07:12|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:24"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | aren't we pretty much pushing back all the test days a week?
|| [[#t15:07:24|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | that may look like it's going to run into the X.org test week, but that's being pushed back too (by ajax's request)
|| [[#t15:07:30|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | no, we don't normally slip the test day schedule
|| [[#t15:07:35|15:07]]
|- id="t15:08:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | l10n/i18n is a special case as it relies on something from the main release schedule, a translation test spin, i believe
|| [[#t15:08:07|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so it wouldn't make sense to go ahead with it this week
|| [[#t15:08:14|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:14"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Indeed; I had understood those were the only two tests being pushed back
|| [[#t15:08:14|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | yep, so far, anyway.
|| [[#t15:08:31|15:08]]
|- id="t15:09:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info l10n/i18n test week is being pushed back to next week: 08-30, 08-31, 09-01
|| [[#t15:09:25|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info X week is also being pushed back, to 09-06, 09-07, 09-08
|| [[#t15:09:41|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info other test days remain in place for now
|| [[#t15:09:56|15:09]]
|- id="t15:10:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | i think that'd be all on this topic...
|| [[#t15:10:24|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:59"
| colspan="2" | * adamw notices he missed one topic. oops.
|| [[#t15:10:59|15:10]]
|- id="t15:11:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic alpha preparation
|| [[#t15:11:04|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | first up, huge thanks to everyone (even those not present) for all the alpha validation testing...i know that was a lot of RCs!
|| [[#t15:11:28|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | it was great work to make sure we didn't have another slip
|| [[#t15:11:44|15:11]]
|- id="t15:12:02"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | no kidding
|| [[#t15:12:02|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:36"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Indeed
|| [[#t15:12:36|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so, just wanted a general topic to cover any other work we need to do for alpha, and maybe look forward to beta
|| [[#t15:12:41|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | the most obvious thing is to put together the Common Bugs page: i usually work on that, but help is most welcome
|| [[#t15:12:58|15:12]]
|- id="t15:13:12"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | yeah, that was the thing I was thinking of
|| [[#t15:13:12|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | you can refer to the bugzilla query http://bit.ly/fedora-commonbugs-proposed to find the list of bugs awaiting commonbugs entries (beware there may be one or two stale f15 proposals on there)
|| [[#t15:13:42|15:13]]
|- id="t15:14:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | the page will be at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs; i haven't put the skeleton up yet but will soon
|| [[#t15:14:27|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | there's 'docs' in the page comments about how to format entries on the page
|| [[#t15:14:47|15:14]]
|- id="t15:15:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info the common bugs page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs will need entries for the bugs on http://bit.ly/fedora-commonbugs-proposed
|| [[#t15:15:17|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:23"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | So,just jump in and add stuff?
|| [[#t15:15:23|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | yup, that'd be great
|| [[#t15:15:33|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:35"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Curse sticking spacebar
|| [[#t15:15:35|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | please ensure all entries have the full allocation of spaces ;)
|| [[#t15:15:50|15:15]]
|- id="t15:16:53"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Indeed
|| [[#t15:16:53|15:16]]
|- id="t15:17:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | the other thing that seemed a good idea to me would be to go through the alpha rc validation results and check that bugs are appropriately flagged as blockers for future points
|| [[#t15:17:17|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so make sure beta fails are proposed as beta blockers, final fails as final blockers
|| [[#t15:17:29|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone want to do that? or think it's a silly idea?
|| [[#t15:17:38|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:55"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | in the meeting or just getting it done?
|| [[#t15:17:55|15:17]]
|- id="t15:18:10"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Good idea to get done
|| [[#t15:18:10|15:18]]
|- id="t15:19:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: just seeing if anyone wants to volunteer
|| [[#t15:19:03|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:17"
| colspan="2" | * rbergeron reads
|| [[#t15:19:17|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:39"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | I can do it if there are no other volunteers
|| [[#t15:19:39|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | good volunteerin' there
|| [[#t15:19:58|15:19]]
|- id="t15:20:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #action tflink to check alpha/beta/final validation results and ensure bugs are correctly marked as blockers
|| [[#t15:20:13|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | we have the first beta blocker review meeting coming up friday, which i'm sure everyone's looking forward to
|| [[#t15:20:31|15:20]]
|- id="t15:21:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | as always
|| [[#t15:21:08|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:13"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Is there an RC/TC out?
|| [[#t15:21:13|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | j_dulaney: no, beta tc doesn't land for a week or two
|| [[#t15:21:23|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:25"
| colspan="2" | * adamw checks schedule
|| [[#t15:21:25|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | j_dulaney: http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html says 09-06 for beta tc
|| [[#t15:21:45|15:21]]
|- id="t15:22:01"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Righteo
|| [[#t15:22:01|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:01"
| colspan="2" | * nirik notes (slightly related) that this mornings branched f16 push pushes things to stable (post freeze), so there's likely to be a bunch of changes/updates after today.
|| [[#t15:22:01|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | there's an acceptance test planned for 08-31...as discussed a few weeks back i'd kinda like to turn the acceptance tests into tcs, but probably best to make that an f17 thing
|| [[#t15:22:27|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:41"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | What are the chances of a TC being put together sooner?
|| [[#t15:22:41|15:22]]
|- id="t15:23:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | well, we could certainly try that if everyone likes the idea
|| [[#t15:23:13|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | we'd have to check in with the anaconda team
|| [[#t15:23:28|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | the go/no-go is scheduled for 09-21, which would give us two weeks (and a day) of validation testing with a 09-06 tc
|| [[#t15:23:53|15:23]]
|- id="t15:24:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | er...I mean check in with releng. but yes, anaconda too.
|| [[#t15:24:03|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:20"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | I'm just thinking that the sooner we get started, the better.
|| [[#t15:24:20|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:47"
! style="background-color: #488888" | nirik
| style="color: #488888" | but if you start too soon, things could change a bunch. ;)
|| [[#t15:24:47|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | i certainly agree, but it's not always a great idea to fiddle with the schedule while it's in progress...but then, all it'd really mean is posting some more matrices and calling the rats images tc1 instead
|| [[#t15:24:51|15:24]]
|- id="t15:25:15"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | brunowolff
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | The 3.1 kernels have not been working well for me, so expect some issues there.
|| [[#t15:25:15|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | rbergeron: do you have an opinion on this one?
|| [[#t15:25:29|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:39"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | nirik:  True, but the sooner we get on it, the better, yes?
|| [[#t15:25:39|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:48"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw: /me reads up, was in another meeting
|| [[#t15:25:48|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:52"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Ugh, space bar slowing down typing
|| [[#t15:25:52|15:25]]
|- id="t15:26:26"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | yeah, i'm not a fan of "fiddle with the schedule while in progress" - and honestly, the problems we *usually* have are in alpha, not beta, when we're trying to get the TC/RC put together
|| [[#t15:26:26|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:39"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | but yes - i mean, we could call earlier images tc's instead.
|| [[#t15:26:39|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:56"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | I hate to just *do that* without feeling other folks out, though.
|| [[#t15:26:56|15:26]]
|- id="t15:27:05"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | Unless we have a specific problem we're trying to solve.
|| [[#t15:27:05|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:18"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | Or avoid.
|| [[#t15:27:18|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | rbergeron: i think the specific problem is mostly 'crap, let's not slip again' =)
|| [[#t15:27:22|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:28"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | yeah.
|| [[#t15:27:28|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:33"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | adamw +1
|| [[#t15:27:33|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:37"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | We *always* slip at Alpha, we don't always slip at Beta.
|| [[#t15:27:37|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah.
|| [[#t15:27:45|15:27]]
|- id="t15:28:02"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | Also - we can add all hte bugffer time in the universe, but it really comes down to people pushing $whatever in at the last second.
|| [[#t15:28:02|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:21"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | sooo
|| [[#t15:28:21|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | rbergeron: well, it usually comes down to that because we don't identify the blocker that's getting fixed till 'last second minus two seconds'
|| [[#t15:28:41|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:45"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | right
|| [[#t15:28:45|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | to be fair
|| [[#t15:28:46|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:53"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | well
|| [[#t15:28:53|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | i do think extra tc time will help at alpha especially, and it can't really hurt at beta / final
|| [[#t15:28:57|15:28]]
|- id="t15:29:10"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Indeed
|| [[#t15:29:10|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:22"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | my point is - I feel in some ways like the last second stuff always happens at the last second, no matter what, but maybe some buffer might help.
|| [[#t15:29:22|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | it's just a question of any practical issues with it, and whether we really want to do all that testing...j_dulaney seems enthusiastic, though
|| [[#t15:29:24|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | whatever meds you're on, i want some =)
|| [[#t15:29:30|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:32"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | And it's not like we're blowing a perfect schedule thus far.
|| [[#t15:29:32|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:44"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | If we try it with Beta, and it doesn't work. :)
|| [[#t15:29:44|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so, let's see...
|| [[#t15:29:45|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:56"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | adamw:  You don't want these.
|| [[#t15:29:56|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:58"
| colspan="2" | * adamw is cautiously in favour, j_dulaney is in favour
|| [[#t15:29:58|15:29]]
|- id="t15:30:19"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | adamw: My meds keep me out of the nut house; they'd put normal people in the nut house
|| [[#t15:30:19|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | nirik: tflink: brunowolff: anyone else I missed: do you have votes?
|| [[#t15:30:21|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:29"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | WRT "all that testing" - if we're thinking about doing this permanently, we'd want to make sure we always have someone with whatever meds j_dulaney has.
|| [[#t15:30:29|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | j_dulaney: whatever gave you the impression I was normal?
|| [[#t15:30:30|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:46"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | Otherwise it doesn't work out so well.
|| [[#t15:30:46|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:50"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | adamw:  true
|| [[#t15:30:50|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:57"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | I'm not against starting with the testing earlier
|| [[#t15:30:57|15:30]]
|- id="t15:31:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | rbergeron: right, although i'd also thought along those lines that if we don't get every single test done for tc1 out of 4 (or whatever it turns out to be), that ain't the end of the world.
|| [[#t15:31:02|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:02"
| colspan="2" | * nirik doesn't care what we call it. ;)
|| [[#t15:31:02|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:04"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | I'm kosher with giving it a shot, I don't see a problem with it.
|| [[#t15:31:04|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:06"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | as long as we have the people to do it :)
|| [[#t15:31:06|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:18"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | TC/RATS ... whatever we want to call it
|| [[#t15:31:18|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:20"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | Maybe we call it a validation compose. ;)
|| [[#t15:31:20|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:23"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | lol
|| [[#t15:31:23|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | heh.
|| [[#t15:31:25|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:28"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | TTC?
|| [[#t15:31:28|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:34"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | T2C!
|| [[#t15:31:34|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | EYBC
|| [[#t15:31:35|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:38"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | Whatever. I say we go for it
|| [[#t15:31:38|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | (eats your babies candidate)
|| [[#t15:31:39|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | okay
|| [[#t15:31:42|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:53"
| colspan="2" | * jskladan is sorry, internet connection died on me :-/
|| [[#t15:31:53|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:54"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | HH2G
|| [[#t15:31:54|15:31]]
|- id="t15:32:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so in practice that would just entail putting the rats image out on dl.fp.o and printing some matrices, really. it's not a big change.
|| [[#t15:32:02|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:09"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | Right.
|| [[#t15:32:09|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:15"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Indeed
|| [[#t15:32:15|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:17"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | brunowolff
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I think being proactive in finding blockers earlier rather than later is good, but i am not sure if early TCs are needed.
|| [[#t15:32:17|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so...how about someone checks in with anaconda and releng teams and makes sure it's okay by them? and if they say yes, we go ahead
|| [[#t15:32:24|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:36"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney had been testing Rawhide with the nightlies in a VM
|| [[#t15:32:36|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | j_dulaney: the nightlies are f16 not rawhide, i believe
|| [[#t15:32:49|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:53"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | adamw:  I can do that
|| [[#t15:32:53|15:32]]
|- id="t15:33:05"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney speaks of prior to branch
|| [[#t15:33:05|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | ah i see
|| [[#t15:33:09|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | okay
|| [[#t15:33:14|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #action j_dulaney to check in with anaconda and releng teams on the feasibility of making the rats point (08-31) an early tc
|| [[#t15:33:45|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:50"
| colspan="2" | * rbergeron goes to take people for education, brb.
|| [[#t15:33:50|15:33]]
|- id="t15:34:02"
| colspan="2" | * rbergeron applays adamw's bus-under-throwing, nice work
|| [[#t15:34:02|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:03"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | ;)
|| [[#t15:34:03|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:05"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rbergeron
| style="color: #4b904b" | applauds
|| [[#t15:34:05|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | if you could update us on the list that'd  be great - next meeting might be a bit tight
|| [[#t15:34:09|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | rbergeron: heh
|| [[#t15:34:10|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | or we could discuss it at the open discussion bit of the blocker meeting, everyone's always eager to extend those meetings, right?!
|| [[#t15:34:50|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:51"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | adamw:  Indeed
|| [[#t15:34:51|15:34]]
|- id="t15:35:00"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Nope
|| [[#t15:35:00|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:15"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | adamw: no, not really
|| [[#t15:35:15|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:39"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney will have trouble enough with making blockers, if they go over they'll be blocking class.  This is not cool
|| [[#t15:35:39|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | heh
|| [[#t15:35:59|15:35]]
|- id="t15:36:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so, list update it is
|| [[#t15:36:10|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | alright...do we have any other post-alpha / pre-beta stuff to discuss?
|| [[#t15:36:30|15:36]]
|- id="t15:37:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | oh, hey, i have one!
|| [[#t15:37:14|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | looking at the retrospective, one of the points is about the tc images being delayed
|| [[#t15:37:25|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:37"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | the F15 retrospective?
|| [[#t15:37:37|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:44"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | or the new F16 one?
|| [[#t15:37:44|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | not that old thing, the new new one
|| [[#t15:37:46|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | it might be good for us to have a tc shepherd poking releng with a stick when it comes to image compose time
|| [[#t15:37:57|15:37]]
|- id="t15:38:07"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Alpha TC1 for F16 comes to mind
|| [[#t15:38:07|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | right
|| [[#t15:38:17|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:30"
| colspan="2" | * tflink doesn't quite understand what you're proposing
|| [[#t15:38:30|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:33"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | adamw:  I could do that this round; can't say I'll do it for the future
|| [[#t15:38:33|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | j_dulaney: i think we'd best not overload your plate :)
|| [[#t15:38:42|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:46"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | you mean someone that pesters releng to make sure that their issues are being taken care of?
|| [[#t15:38:46|15:38]]
|- id="t15:39:01"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | or whatever you want to call what happened with the alpha tc
|| [[#t15:39:01|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: really, just someone to file the ticket requesting tc1 and then posts to it to ensure the delivery
|| [[#t15:39:04|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:10"
! style="background-color: #488888" | nirik
| style="color: #488888" | I think alpha creeps up on everyone...
|| [[#t15:39:10|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:12"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | adamw:  Since I'm going to be poking them anyway, I could include it in the same emails
|| [[#t15:39:12|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | nothing too heavy-handed, maybe just a post a day or two before the scheduled date, and of course post again on the date if the images don't show up
|| [[#t15:39:23|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | nirik: yeah, it tends to
|| [[#t15:39:32|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | it's an idea, if no-one likes it, never mind
|| [[#t15:39:45|15:39]]
|- id="t15:40:14"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | it would be nice to avoid another week delay in tc
|| [[#t15:40:14|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:24"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Indeed
|| [[#t15:40:24|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:36"
| colspan="2" | * tflink isn't pointing fingers, though
|| [[#t15:40:36|15:40]]
|- id="t15:41:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | no, none of that
|| [[#t15:41:00|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:14"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Maybe doing it for F17 wouldn't be too bad, though
|| [[#t15:41:14|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
|| [[#t15:41:24|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | doesn't seem anyone's that enthusiastic, so let's leave it
|| [[#t15:41:43|15:41]]
|- id="t15:42:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | soo...
|| [[#t15:42:03|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic AutoQA update
|| [[#t15:42:07|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | do we have anyone from autoqa to take the floor?
|| [[#t15:42:13|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:57"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | kparal is gone this week and I've been spending most of my time on other things ... jskladan ?
|| [[#t15:42:57|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:59"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | tflink:  I've sent you an email with the test suit
|| [[#t15:42:59|15:42]]
|- id="t15:43:07"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | j_dulaney: awesome
|| [[#t15:43:07|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | we're getting test suits now?
|| [[#t15:43:24|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:25"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | It's gzipped
|| [[#t15:43:25|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | why wasn't i told?
|| [[#t15:43:27|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:44"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | adamw: because we knew you'd object
|| [[#t15:43:44|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:53"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | adamw:  the mock infranstructure and testing mechanism
|| [[#t15:43:53|15:43]]
|- id="t15:44:03"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | For testing AutoQA
|| [[#t15:44:03|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | j_dulaney: just making a joke about the missing e :)
|| [[#t15:44:05|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:17"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | j_dulaney: I'll keep an eye out for it, I haven't seen anything yet
|| [[#t15:44:17|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:17"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Doh
|| [[#t15:44:17|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:36"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | tflink:  for some reason, Github doesn't like me
|| [[#t15:44:36|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:47"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | I can't commit even to my own repository
|| [[#t15:44:47|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:47"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | :-/
|| [[#t15:44:47|15:44]]
|- id="t15:45:01"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | So, I gave up on it
|| [[#t15:45:01|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | jskladan: alive?
|| [[#t15:45:06|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:42"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | I think that we were spending more time on testing alpha last week than autoqa development
|| [[#t15:45:42|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:50"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | but I'll see how far off I am on this :)
|| [[#t15:45:50|15:45]]
|- id="t15:46:19"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | mkrizek has been working to get more of our dependencies into fedora (yourls, autoqa)
|| [[#t15:46:19|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:37"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | tflink:  True; I did almost nothing AutoQA related last week
|| [[#t15:46:37|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #chair tflink
|| [[#t15:46:39|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:39"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Current chairs: adamw tflink
|| [[#t15:46:39|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info "I think that we were spending more time on testing alpha last week than autoqa development"
|| [[#t15:46:50|15:46]]
|- id="t15:47:42"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | # info inching towards getting the rest of AutoQA's dependencies packaged in fedora
|| [[#t15:47:42|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:47"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | tflink:  I included a text file on how to put together tests (how to do the config file, where to put RPMs to test, etc)
|| [[#t15:47:47|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:50"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | #info inching towards getting the rest of AutoQA's dependencies packaged in fedora
|| [[#t15:47:50|15:47]]
|- id="t15:48:19"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | #info j_dulaney has been working on the self test portions of AutoQA
|| [[#t15:48:19|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:22"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | So, now we need to start thinking up tests to run on AutoQA
|| [[#t15:48:22|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:51"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | I've got a few ideas I'll be putting on the ticket sometime this week
|| [[#t15:48:51|15:48]]
|- id="t15:49:13"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | We'll be pushing forward with the features planned for 0.7.0 but other than that, will be testing F16
|| [[#t15:49:13|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | do we have any roadblocks with the packaging stuff? did the sponsor issue work out?
|| [[#t15:49:14|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:34"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | mkrizek would know for certain but I believe so, yes
|| [[#t15:49:34|15:49]]
|- id="t15:50:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | great
|| [[#t15:50:03|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:05"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | I don't believe that we have any new roadblocks for packaging, autotest just isn't going to be easy :)
|| [[#t15:50:05|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | how's that for a disorganized and long status?
|| [[#t15:50:16|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:39"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Indeed
|| [[#t15:50:39|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | 10/10!
|| [[#t15:50:42|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:47"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | sweet
|| [[#t15:50:47|15:50]]
|- id="t15:51:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | keep us all in the loop with any packaging issues, i'm sure we can handle reviews at least among the rest of the group
|| [[#t15:51:05|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:28"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | will do
|| [[#t15:51:28|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info "We'll be pushing forward with the features planned for 0.7.0 but other than that, will be testing F16"
|| [[#t15:51:40|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic open discussion
|| [[#t15:51:51|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | okay...so, anything i missed? there's gotta b
|| [[#t15:51:58|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | e
|| [[#t15:51:58|15:51]]
|- id="t15:52:43"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^B^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|| [[#t15:52:43|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:47"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|| [[#t15:52:47|15:52]]
|- id="t15:53:03"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | A 'B' in the carrot patch
|| [[#t15:53:03|15:53]]
|- id="t15:54:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | man, we're dying out here
|| [[#t15:54:16|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | someone tell a joke
|| [[#t15:54:18|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:51"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | two men walked into a bar ... the third one ducked
|| [[#t15:54:51|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | ba-dum *tish*
|| [[#t15:54:58|15:54]]
|- id="t15:55:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | play us off, stan
|| [[#t15:55:04|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | *dances off stage sideways with cane*
|| [[#t15:55:13|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:20"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | So, a Microsoft Programmer, an Apple Programmer, and a Linux hacker walk into a library
|| [[#t15:55:20|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | oh boy, should we stop you before the lawyers wake up? =)
|| [[#t15:55:43|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:52"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Probably
|| [[#t15:55:52|15:55]]
|- id="t15:56:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | hehe
|| [[#t15:56:13|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | i guess that's it then...
|| [[#t15:56:19|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | everyone look out for the blocker meeting friday, and a rats run or tc image the following week
|| [[#t15:56:42|15:56]]
|- id="t15:57:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | oh
|| [[#t15:57:13|15:57]]
|- id="t15:57:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | does anyone want to chair the next meeting? next week, same time, same place?
|| [[#t15:57:21|15:57]]
|- id="t15:57:28"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Right
|| [[#t15:57:28|15:57]]
|- id="t15:58:30"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney is available
|| [[#t15:58:30|15:58]]
|- id="t15:58:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #action j_dulaney to chair the next meeting
|| [[#t15:58:53|15:58]]
|- id="t15:58:55"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | As long as I get to class by 1 PM
|| [[#t15:58:55|15:58]]
|- id="t15:59:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks jay! you know the location of the meeting SOP, right?
|| [[#t15:59:04|15:59]]
|- id="t15:59:50"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Indeed
|| [[#t15:59:50|15:59]]
|- id="t16:00:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | cool
|| [[#t16:00:10|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks for coming, everyone
|| [[#t16:00:14|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #endmeeting
|| [[#t16:00:16|16:00]]
|}
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Attendees

  • adamw (128)
  • j_dulaney (54)
  • tflink (40)
  • rbergeron (28)
  • nirik (4)
  • zodbot (4)
  • brunowolff (3)
  • jskladan (2)
  • mkrizek (1)

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

l10n / i18n test week

  • l10n/i18n test week is being pushed back to next week: 08-30, 08-31, 09-01
  • X week is also being pushed back, to 09-06, 09-07, 09-08
  • other test days remain in place for now

alpha preparation

  • the common bugs page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs will need entries for the bugs on http://bit.ly/fedora-commonbugs-proposed
  • "the other thing that seemed a good idea to me would be to go through the alpha rc validation results and check that bugs are appropriately flagged as blockers for future points"
  • meeting generally in favour of trying to turn 08-31 RATS event into TC1
  • "it might be good for us to have a tc shepherd poking releng with a stick when it comes to image compose time - really, just someone to file the ticket requesting tc1 and then posts to it to ensure the delivery"

AutoQA update

  • j_dulaney sent tflink his work on the autoqa self-test suite
  • mkrizek has been working to get more of our dependencies into fedora (yourls, autoqa)
  • We'll be pushing forward with the features planned for 0.7.0 but other than that, will be testing F16

Next meeting

  • 2011-08-29 - 15:00 UTC chaired by j_dulaney

Action Items

  1. tflink - check alpha/beta/final validation results and ensure bugs are correctly marked as blockers
  2. j_dulaney - check in with anaconda and releng teams on the feasibility of making the rats point (08-31) an early TC
  3. j_dulaney - chair the next meeting

IRC Log

adamw #startmeeting fedora-qa-meeting 15:00
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adamw #meetingname fedora-qa-meeting 15:00
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adamw #topic roll call 15:01
adamw hey everyone, is it just me? 15:01
tflink yep, meeting for one :-D 15:02
* mkrizek present 15:02
* brunowolff is here 15:02
adamw my favourite kind 15:02
tflink reaching consensus is much easier when you're by yourself 15:02
adamw all you other kids just screw up my meetings 15:02
tflink that's what I'm here for - glad to hear that I'm achieving my purpose 15:03
adamw that's why we pay you the premium peanuts 15:03
adamw #topic previous meeting follow-up 15:04
adamw so this one's pretty light, as last week just turned into a blocker review... 15:05
adamw "robatino, adamw or tflink - do RC4 announcement once the compose is complete" 15:05
adamw and, i'm pretty sure that happened. 15:05
tflink that and RC5 15:05
adamw so yay. 15:06
* jskladan lurks 15:06
adamw #topic l10n / i18n test week 15:06
* j_dulaney is here 15:06
adamw hey jays 15:06
j_dulaney Sorry for the lateness, overslept 15:06
adamw this was scheduled for this week - it's going to be the first major f16 test event - but there's news... 15:06
adamw i don't think anyone involved is around, so i'll pass it on: it's being pushed back a week 15:07
tflink aren't we pretty much pushing back all the test days a week? 15:07
adamw that may look like it's going to run into the X.org test week, but that's being pushed back too (by ajax's request) 15:07
adamw no, we don't normally slip the test day schedule 15:07
adamw l10n/i18n is a special case as it relies on something from the main release schedule, a translation test spin, i believe 15:08
adamw so it wouldn't make sense to go ahead with it this week 15:08
j_dulaney Indeed; I had understood those were the only two tests being pushed back 15:08
adamw yep, so far, anyway. 15:08
adamw #info l10n/i18n test week is being pushed back to next week: 08-30, 08-31, 09-01 15:09
adamw #info X week is also being pushed back, to 09-06, 09-07, 09-08 15:09
adamw #info other test days remain in place for now 15:09
adamw i think that'd be all on this topic... 15:10
* adamw notices he missed one topic. oops. 15:10
adamw #topic alpha preparation 15:11
adamw first up, huge thanks to everyone (even those not present) for all the alpha validation testing...i know that was a lot of RCs! 15:11
adamw it was great work to make sure we didn't have another slip 15:11
tflink no kidding 15:12
j_dulaney Indeed 15:12
adamw so, just wanted a general topic to cover any other work we need to do for alpha, and maybe look forward to beta 15:12
adamw the most obvious thing is to put together the Common Bugs page: i usually work on that, but help is most welcome 15:12
tflink yeah, that was the thing I was thinking of 15:13
adamw you can refer to the bugzilla query http://bit.ly/fedora-commonbugs-proposed to find the list of bugs awaiting commonbugs entries (beware there may be one or two stale f15 proposals on there) 15:13
adamw the page will be at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs; i haven't put the skeleton up yet but will soon 15:14
adamw there's 'docs' in the page comments about how to format entries on the page 15:14
adamw #info the common bugs page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs will need entries for the bugs on http://bit.ly/fedora-commonbugs-proposed 15:15
j_dulaney So,just jump in and add stuff? 15:15
adamw yup, that'd be great 15:15
j_dulaney Curse sticking spacebar 15:15
adamw please ensure all entries have the full allocation of spaces ;) 15:15
j_dulaney Indeed 15:16
adamw the other thing that seemed a good idea to me would be to go through the alpha rc validation results and check that bugs are appropriately flagged as blockers for future points 15:17
adamw so make sure beta fails are proposed as beta blockers, final fails as final blockers 15:17
adamw anyone want to do that? or think it's a silly idea? 15:17
tflink in the meeting or just getting it done? 15:17
j_dulaney Good idea to get done 15:18
adamw tflink: just seeing if anyone wants to volunteer 15:19
* rbergeron reads 15:19
tflink I can do it if there are no other volunteers 15:19
adamw good volunteerin' there 15:19
adamw #action tflink to check alpha/beta/final validation results and ensure bugs are correctly marked as blockers 15:20
adamw we have the first beta blocker review meeting coming up friday, which i'm sure everyone's looking forward to 15:20
tflink as always 15:21
j_dulaney Is there an RC/TC out? 15:21
adamw j_dulaney: no, beta tc doesn't land for a week or two 15:21
* adamw checks schedule 15:21
adamw j_dulaney: http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html says 09-06 for beta tc 15:21
j_dulaney Righteo 15:22
* nirik notes (slightly related) that this mornings branched f16 push pushes things to stable (post freeze), so there's likely to be a bunch of changes/updates after today. 15:22
adamw there's an acceptance test planned for 08-31...as discussed a few weeks back i'd kinda like to turn the acceptance tests into tcs, but probably best to make that an f17 thing 15:22
j_dulaney What are the chances of a TC being put together sooner? 15:22
adamw well, we could certainly try that if everyone likes the idea 15:23
adamw we'd have to check in with the anaconda team 15:23
adamw the go/no-go is scheduled for 09-21, which would give us two weeks (and a day) of validation testing with a 09-06 tc 15:23
adamw er...I mean check in with releng. but yes, anaconda too. 15:24
j_dulaney I'm just thinking that the sooner we get started, the better. 15:24
nirik but if you start too soon, things could change a bunch. ;) 15:24
adamw i certainly agree, but it's not always a great idea to fiddle with the schedule while it's in progress...but then, all it'd really mean is posting some more matrices and calling the rats images tc1 instead 15:24
brunowolff The 3.1 kernels have not been working well for me, so expect some issues there. 15:25
adamw rbergeron: do you have an opinion on this one? 15:25
j_dulaney nirik: True, but the sooner we get on it, the better, yes? 15:25
rbergeron adamw: /me reads up, was in another meeting 15:25
j_dulaney Ugh, space bar slowing down typing 15:25
rbergeron yeah, i'm not a fan of "fiddle with the schedule while in progress" - and honestly, the problems we *usually* have are in alpha, not beta, when we're trying to get the TC/RC put together 15:26
rbergeron but yes - i mean, we could call earlier images tc's instead. 15:26
rbergeron I hate to just *do that* without feeling other folks out, though. 15:26
rbergeron Unless we have a specific problem we're trying to solve. 15:27
rbergeron Or avoid. 15:27
adamw rbergeron: i think the specific problem is mostly 'crap, let's not slip again' =) 15:27
rbergeron yeah. 15:27
j_dulaney adamw +1 15:27
rbergeron We *always* slip at Alpha, we don't always slip at Beta. 15:27
adamw yeah. 15:27
rbergeron Also - we can add all hte bugffer time in the universe, but it really comes down to people pushing $whatever in at the last second. 15:28
rbergeron sooo 15:28
adamw rbergeron: well, it usually comes down to that because we don't identify the blocker that's getting fixed till 'last second minus two seconds' 15:28
rbergeron right 15:28
adamw to be fair 15:28
rbergeron well 15:28
adamw i do think extra tc time will help at alpha especially, and it can't really hurt at beta / final 15:28
j_dulaney Indeed 15:29
rbergeron my point is - I feel in some ways like the last second stuff always happens at the last second, no matter what, but maybe some buffer might help. 15:29
adamw it's just a question of any practical issues with it, and whether we really want to do all that testing...j_dulaney seems enthusiastic, though 15:29
adamw whatever meds you're on, i want some =) 15:29
rbergeron And it's not like we're blowing a perfect schedule thus far. 15:29
rbergeron If we try it with Beta, and it doesn't work. :) 15:29
adamw so, let's see... 15:29
j_dulaney adamw: You don't want these. 15:29
* adamw is cautiously in favour, j_dulaney is in favour 15:29
j_dulaney adamw: My meds keep me out of the nut house; they'd put normal people in the nut house 15:30
adamw nirik: tflink: brunowolff: anyone else I missed: do you have votes? 15:30
rbergeron WRT "all that testing" - if we're thinking about doing this permanently, we'd want to make sure we always have someone with whatever meds j_dulaney has. 15:30
adamw j_dulaney: whatever gave you the impression I was normal? 15:30
rbergeron Otherwise it doesn't work out so well. 15:30
j_dulaney adamw: true 15:30
tflink I'm not against starting with the testing earlier 15:30
adamw rbergeron: right, although i'd also thought along those lines that if we don't get every single test done for tc1 out of 4 (or whatever it turns out to be), that ain't the end of the world. 15:31
* nirik doesn't care what we call it. ;) 15:31
rbergeron I'm kosher with giving it a shot, I don't see a problem with it. 15:31
tflink as long as we have the people to do it :) 15:31
tflink TC/RATS ... whatever we want to call it 15:31
rbergeron Maybe we call it a validation compose. ;) 15:31
rbergeron lol 15:31
adamw heh. 15:31
tflink TTC? 15:31
rbergeron T2C! 15:31
adamw EYBC 15:31
rbergeron Whatever. I say we go for it 15:31
adamw (eats your babies candidate) 15:31
adamw okay 15:31
* jskladan is sorry, internet connection died on me :-/ 15:31
j_dulaney HH2G 15:31
adamw so in practice that would just entail putting the rats image out on dl.fp.o and printing some matrices, really. it's not a big change. 15:32
rbergeron Right. 15:32
j_dulaney Indeed 15:32
brunowolff I think being proactive in finding blockers earlier rather than later is good, but i am not sure if early TCs are needed. 15:32
adamw so...how about someone checks in with anaconda and releng teams and makes sure it's okay by them? and if they say yes, we go ahead 15:32
* j_dulaney had been testing Rawhide with the nightlies in a VM 15:32
adamw j_dulaney: the nightlies are f16 not rawhide, i believe 15:32
j_dulaney adamw: I can do that 15:32
* j_dulaney speaks of prior to branch 15:33
adamw ah i see 15:33
adamw okay 15:33
adamw #action j_dulaney to check in with anaconda and releng teams on the feasibility of making the rats point (08-31) an early tc 15:33
* rbergeron goes to take people for education, brb. 15:33
* rbergeron applays adamw's bus-under-throwing, nice work 15:34
rbergeron ;) 15:34
rbergeron applauds 15:34
adamw if you could update us on the list that'd be great - next meeting might be a bit tight 15:34
adamw rbergeron: heh 15:34
adamw or we could discuss it at the open discussion bit of the blocker meeting, everyone's always eager to extend those meetings, right?! 15:34
j_dulaney adamw: Indeed 15:34
j_dulaney Nope 15:35
tflink adamw: no, not really 15:35
* j_dulaney will have trouble enough with making blockers, if they go over they'll be blocking class. This is not cool 15:35
adamw heh 15:35
adamw so, list update it is 15:36
adamw alright...do we have any other post-alpha / pre-beta stuff to discuss? 15:36
adamw oh, hey, i have one! 15:37
adamw looking at the retrospective, one of the points is about the tc images being delayed 15:37
tflink the F15 retrospective? 15:37
tflink or the new F16 one? 15:37
adamw not that old thing, the new new one 15:37
adamw it might be good for us to have a tc shepherd poking releng with a stick when it comes to image compose time 15:37
j_dulaney Alpha TC1 for F16 comes to mind 15:38
adamw right 15:38
* tflink doesn't quite understand what you're proposing 15:38
j_dulaney adamw: I could do that this round; can't say I'll do it for the future 15:38
adamw j_dulaney: i think we'd best not overload your plate :) 15:38
tflink you mean someone that pesters releng to make sure that their issues are being taken care of? 15:38
tflink or whatever you want to call what happened with the alpha tc 15:39
adamw tflink: really, just someone to file the ticket requesting tc1 and then posts to it to ensure the delivery 15:39
nirik I think alpha creeps up on everyone... 15:39
j_dulaney adamw: Since I'm going to be poking them anyway, I could include it in the same emails 15:39
adamw nothing too heavy-handed, maybe just a post a day or two before the scheduled date, and of course post again on the date if the images don't show up 15:39
adamw nirik: yeah, it tends to 15:39
adamw it's an idea, if no-one likes it, never mind 15:39
tflink it would be nice to avoid another week delay in tc 15:40
j_dulaney Indeed 15:40
* tflink isn't pointing fingers, though 15:40
adamw no, none of that 15:41
j_dulaney Maybe doing it for F17 wouldn't be too bad, though 15:41
adamw ok 15:41
adamw doesn't seem anyone's that enthusiastic, so let's leave it 15:41
adamw soo... 15:42
adamw #topic AutoQA update 15:42
adamw do we have anyone from autoqa to take the floor? 15:42
tflink kparal is gone this week and I've been spending most of my time on other things ... jskladan ? 15:42
j_dulaney tflink: I've sent you an email with the test suit 15:42
tflink j_dulaney: awesome 15:43
adamw we're getting test suits now? 15:43
j_dulaney It's gzipped 15:43
adamw why wasn't i told? 15:43
tflink adamw: because we knew you'd object 15:43
j_dulaney adamw: the mock infranstructure and testing mechanism 15:43
j_dulaney For testing AutoQA 15:44
adamw j_dulaney: just making a joke about the missing e :) 15:44
tflink j_dulaney: I'll keep an eye out for it, I haven't seen anything yet 15:44
j_dulaney Doh 15:44
j_dulaney tflink: for some reason, Github doesn't like me 15:44
j_dulaney I can't commit even to my own repository 15:44
tflink :-/ 15:44
j_dulaney So, I gave up on it 15:45
adamw jskladan: alive? 15:45
tflink I think that we were spending more time on testing alpha last week than autoqa development 15:45
tflink but I'll see how far off I am on this :) 15:45
tflink mkrizek has been working to get more of our dependencies into fedora (yourls, autoqa) 15:46
j_dulaney tflink: True; I did almost nothing AutoQA related last week 15:46
adamw #chair tflink 15:46
zodbot Current chairs: adamw tflink 15:46
adamw #info "I think that we were spending more time on testing alpha last week than autoqa development" 15:46
tflink # info inching towards getting the rest of AutoQA's dependencies packaged in fedora 15:47
j_dulaney tflink: I included a text file on how to put together tests (how to do the config file, where to put RPMs to test, etc) 15:47
tflink #info inching towards getting the rest of AutoQA's dependencies packaged in fedora 15:47
tflink #info j_dulaney has been working on the self test portions of AutoQA 15:48
j_dulaney So, now we need to start thinking up tests to run on AutoQA 15:48
j_dulaney I've got a few ideas I'll be putting on the ticket sometime this week 15:48
tflink We'll be pushing forward with the features planned for 0.7.0 but other than that, will be testing F16 15:49
adamw do we have any roadblocks with the packaging stuff? did the sponsor issue work out? 15:49
tflink mkrizek would know for certain but I believe so, yes 15:49
adamw great 15:50
tflink I don't believe that we have any new roadblocks for packaging, autotest just isn't going to be easy :) 15:50
tflink how's that for a disorganized and long status? 15:50
j_dulaney Indeed 15:50
adamw 10/10! 15:50
tflink sweet 15:50
adamw keep us all in the loop with any packaging issues, i'm sure we can handle reviews at least among the rest of the group 15:51
tflink will do 15:51
adamw #info "We'll be pushing forward with the features planned for 0.7.0 but other than that, will be testing F16" 15:51
adamw #topic open discussion 15:51
adamw okay...so, anything i missed? there's gotta b 15:51
adamw e 15:51
j_dulaney ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^B^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 15:52
j_dulaney ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 15:52
j_dulaney A 'B' in the carrot patch 15:53
adamw man, we're dying out here 15:54
adamw someone tell a joke 15:54
tflink two men walked into a bar ... the third one ducked 15:54
adamw ba-dum *tish* 15:54
adamw play us off, stan 15:55
adamw *dances off stage sideways with cane* 15:55
j_dulaney So, a Microsoft Programmer, an Apple Programmer, and a Linux hacker walk into a library 15:55
adamw oh boy, should we stop you before the lawyers wake up? =) 15:55
j_dulaney Probably 15:55
adamw hehe 15:56
adamw i guess that's it then... 15:56
adamw everyone look out for the blocker meeting friday, and a rats run or tc image the following week 15:56
adamw oh 15:57
adamw does anyone want to chair the next meeting? next week, same time, same place? 15:57
j_dulaney Right 15:57
* j_dulaney is available 15:58
adamw #action j_dulaney to chair the next meeting 15:58
j_dulaney As long as I get to class by 1 PM 15:58
adamw thanks jay! you know the location of the meeting SOP, right? 15:59
j_dulaney Indeed 15:59
adamw cool 16:00
adamw thanks for coming, everyone 16:00
adamw #endmeeting 16:00

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