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Attendees
- adamw (128)
- j_dulaney (54)
- tflink (40)
- rbergeron (28)
- nirik (4)
- zodbot (4)
- brunowolff (3)
- jskladan (2)
- mkrizek (1)
Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
- Alpha RC4 announcement - done by robatino
l10n / i18n test week
- l10n/i18n test week is being pushed back to next week: 08-30, 08-31, 09-01
- X week is also being pushed back, to 09-06, 09-07, 09-08
- other test days remain in place for now
alpha preparation
- the common bugs page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs will need entries for the bugs on http://bit.ly/fedora-commonbugs-proposed
- "the other thing that seemed a good idea to me would be to go through the alpha rc validation results and check that bugs are appropriately flagged as blockers for future points"
- meeting generally in favour of trying to turn 08-31 RATS event into TC1
- "it might be good for us to have a tc shepherd poking releng with a stick when it comes to image compose time - really, just someone to file the ticket requesting tc1 and then posts to it to ensure the delivery"
AutoQA update
- j_dulaney sent tflink his work on the autoqa self-test suite
- mkrizek has been working to get more of our dependencies into fedora (yourls, autoqa)
- We'll be pushing forward with the features planned for 0.7.0 but other than that, will be testing F16
Next meeting
- 2011-08-29 - 15:00 UTC chaired by j_dulaney
Action Items
- tflink - check alpha/beta/final validation results and ensure bugs are correctly marked as blockers
- j_dulaney - check in with anaconda and releng teams on the feasibility of making the rats point (08-31) an early TC
- j_dulaney - chair the next meeting
IRC Log
| adamw | #startmeeting fedora-qa-meeting | 15:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Aug 22 15:00:36 2011 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
| adamw | #meetingname fedora-qa-meeting | 15:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa-meeting' | 15:00 |
| adamw | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
| adamw | hey everyone, is it just me? | 15:01 |
| tflink | yep, meeting for one :-D | 15:02 |
| * mkrizek present | 15:02 | |
| * brunowolff is here | 15:02 | |
| adamw | my favourite kind | 15:02 |
| tflink | reaching consensus is much easier when you're by yourself | 15:02 |
| adamw | all you other kids just screw up my meetings | 15:02 |
| tflink | that's what I'm here for - glad to hear that I'm achieving my purpose | 15:03 |
| adamw | that's why we pay you the premium peanuts | 15:03 |
| adamw | #topic previous meeting follow-up | 15:04 |
| adamw | so this one's pretty light, as last week just turned into a blocker review... | 15:05 |
| adamw | "robatino, adamw or tflink - do RC4 announcement once the compose is complete" | 15:05 |
| adamw | and, i'm pretty sure that happened. | 15:05 |
| tflink | that and RC5 | 15:05 |
| adamw | so yay. | 15:06 |
| * jskladan lurks | 15:06 | |
| adamw | #topic l10n / i18n test week | 15:06 |
| * j_dulaney is here | 15:06 | |
| adamw | hey jays | 15:06 |
| j_dulaney | Sorry for the lateness, overslept | 15:06 |
| adamw | this was scheduled for this week - it's going to be the first major f16 test event - but there's news... | 15:06 |
| adamw | i don't think anyone involved is around, so i'll pass it on: it's being pushed back a week | 15:07 |
| tflink | aren't we pretty much pushing back all the test days a week? | 15:07 |
| adamw | that may look like it's going to run into the X.org test week, but that's being pushed back too (by ajax's request) | 15:07 |
| adamw | no, we don't normally slip the test day schedule | 15:07 |
| adamw | l10n/i18n is a special case as it relies on something from the main release schedule, a translation test spin, i believe | 15:08 |
| adamw | so it wouldn't make sense to go ahead with it this week | 15:08 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed; I had understood those were the only two tests being pushed back | 15:08 |
| adamw | yep, so far, anyway. | 15:08 |
| adamw | #info l10n/i18n test week is being pushed back to next week: 08-30, 08-31, 09-01 | 15:09 |
| adamw | #info X week is also being pushed back, to 09-06, 09-07, 09-08 | 15:09 |
| adamw | #info other test days remain in place for now | 15:09 |
| adamw | i think that'd be all on this topic... | 15:10 |
| * adamw notices he missed one topic. oops. | 15:10 | |
| adamw | #topic alpha preparation | 15:11 |
| adamw | first up, huge thanks to everyone (even those not present) for all the alpha validation testing...i know that was a lot of RCs! | 15:11 |
| adamw | it was great work to make sure we didn't have another slip | 15:11 |
| tflink | no kidding | 15:12 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:12 |
| adamw | so, just wanted a general topic to cover any other work we need to do for alpha, and maybe look forward to beta | 15:12 |
| adamw | the most obvious thing is to put together the Common Bugs page: i usually work on that, but help is most welcome | 15:12 |
| tflink | yeah, that was the thing I was thinking of | 15:13 |
| adamw | you can refer to the bugzilla query http://bit.ly/fedora-commonbugs-proposed to find the list of bugs awaiting commonbugs entries (beware there may be one or two stale f15 proposals on there) | 15:13 |
| adamw | the page will be at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs; i haven't put the skeleton up yet but will soon | 15:14 |
| adamw | there's 'docs' in the page comments about how to format entries on the page | 15:14 |
| adamw | #info the common bugs page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs will need entries for the bugs on http://bit.ly/fedora-commonbugs-proposed | 15:15 |
| j_dulaney | So,just jump in and add stuff? | 15:15 |
| adamw | yup, that'd be great | 15:15 |
| j_dulaney | Curse sticking spacebar | 15:15 |
| adamw | please ensure all entries have the full allocation of spaces ;) | 15:15 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:16 |
| adamw | the other thing that seemed a good idea to me would be to go through the alpha rc validation results and check that bugs are appropriately flagged as blockers for future points | 15:17 |
| adamw | so make sure beta fails are proposed as beta blockers, final fails as final blockers | 15:17 |
| adamw | anyone want to do that? or think it's a silly idea? | 15:17 |
| tflink | in the meeting or just getting it done? | 15:17 |
| j_dulaney | Good idea to get done | 15:18 |
| adamw | tflink: just seeing if anyone wants to volunteer | 15:19 |
| * rbergeron reads | 15:19 | |
| tflink | I can do it if there are no other volunteers | 15:19 |
| adamw | good volunteerin' there | 15:19 |
| adamw | #action tflink to check alpha/beta/final validation results and ensure bugs are correctly marked as blockers | 15:20 |
| adamw | we have the first beta blocker review meeting coming up friday, which i'm sure everyone's looking forward to | 15:20 |
| tflink | as always | 15:21 |
| j_dulaney | Is there an RC/TC out? | 15:21 |
| adamw | j_dulaney: no, beta tc doesn't land for a week or two | 15:21 |
| * adamw checks schedule | 15:21 | |
| adamw | j_dulaney: http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html says 09-06 for beta tc | 15:21 |
| j_dulaney | Righteo | 15:22 |
| * nirik notes (slightly related) that this mornings branched f16 push pushes things to stable (post freeze), so there's likely to be a bunch of changes/updates after today. | 15:22 | |
| adamw | there's an acceptance test planned for 08-31...as discussed a few weeks back i'd kinda like to turn the acceptance tests into tcs, but probably best to make that an f17 thing | 15:22 |
| j_dulaney | What are the chances of a TC being put together sooner? | 15:22 |
| adamw | well, we could certainly try that if everyone likes the idea | 15:23 |
| adamw | we'd have to check in with the anaconda team | 15:23 |
| adamw | the go/no-go is scheduled for 09-21, which would give us two weeks (and a day) of validation testing with a 09-06 tc | 15:23 |
| adamw | er...I mean check in with releng. but yes, anaconda too. | 15:24 |
| j_dulaney | I'm just thinking that the sooner we get started, the better. | 15:24 |
| nirik | but if you start too soon, things could change a bunch. ;) | 15:24 |
| adamw | i certainly agree, but it's not always a great idea to fiddle with the schedule while it's in progress...but then, all it'd really mean is posting some more matrices and calling the rats images tc1 instead | 15:24 |
| brunowolff | The 3.1 kernels have not been working well for me, so expect some issues there. | 15:25 |
| adamw | rbergeron: do you have an opinion on this one? | 15:25 |
| j_dulaney | nirik: True, but the sooner we get on it, the better, yes? | 15:25 |
| rbergeron | adamw: /me reads up, was in another meeting | 15:25 |
| j_dulaney | Ugh, space bar slowing down typing | 15:25 |
| rbergeron | yeah, i'm not a fan of "fiddle with the schedule while in progress" - and honestly, the problems we *usually* have are in alpha, not beta, when we're trying to get the TC/RC put together | 15:26 |
| rbergeron | but yes - i mean, we could call earlier images tc's instead. | 15:26 |
| rbergeron | I hate to just *do that* without feeling other folks out, though. | 15:26 |
| rbergeron | Unless we have a specific problem we're trying to solve. | 15:27 |
| rbergeron | Or avoid. | 15:27 |
| adamw | rbergeron: i think the specific problem is mostly 'crap, let's not slip again' =) | 15:27 |
| rbergeron | yeah. | 15:27 |
| j_dulaney | adamw +1 | 15:27 |
| rbergeron | We *always* slip at Alpha, we don't always slip at Beta. | 15:27 |
| adamw | yeah. | 15:27 |
| rbergeron | Also - we can add all hte bugffer time in the universe, but it really comes down to people pushing $whatever in at the last second. | 15:28 |
| rbergeron | sooo | 15:28 |
| adamw | rbergeron: well, it usually comes down to that because we don't identify the blocker that's getting fixed till 'last second minus two seconds' | 15:28 |
| rbergeron | right | 15:28 |
| adamw | to be fair | 15:28 |
| rbergeron | well | 15:28 |
| adamw | i do think extra tc time will help at alpha especially, and it can't really hurt at beta / final | 15:28 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:29 |
| rbergeron | my point is - I feel in some ways like the last second stuff always happens at the last second, no matter what, but maybe some buffer might help. | 15:29 |
| adamw | it's just a question of any practical issues with it, and whether we really want to do all that testing...j_dulaney seems enthusiastic, though | 15:29 |
| adamw | whatever meds you're on, i want some =) | 15:29 |
| rbergeron | And it's not like we're blowing a perfect schedule thus far. | 15:29 |
| rbergeron | If we try it with Beta, and it doesn't work. :) | 15:29 |
| adamw | so, let's see... | 15:29 |
| j_dulaney | adamw: You don't want these. | 15:29 |
| * adamw is cautiously in favour, j_dulaney is in favour | 15:29 | |
| j_dulaney | adamw: My meds keep me out of the nut house; they'd put normal people in the nut house | 15:30 |
| adamw | nirik: tflink: brunowolff: anyone else I missed: do you have votes? | 15:30 |
| rbergeron | WRT "all that testing" - if we're thinking about doing this permanently, we'd want to make sure we always have someone with whatever meds j_dulaney has. | 15:30 |
| adamw | j_dulaney: whatever gave you the impression I was normal? | 15:30 |
| rbergeron | Otherwise it doesn't work out so well. | 15:30 |
| j_dulaney | adamw: true | 15:30 |
| tflink | I'm not against starting with the testing earlier | 15:30 |
| adamw | rbergeron: right, although i'd also thought along those lines that if we don't get every single test done for tc1 out of 4 (or whatever it turns out to be), that ain't the end of the world. | 15:31 |
| * nirik doesn't care what we call it. ;) | 15:31 | |
| rbergeron | I'm kosher with giving it a shot, I don't see a problem with it. | 15:31 |
| tflink | as long as we have the people to do it :) | 15:31 |
| tflink | TC/RATS ... whatever we want to call it | 15:31 |
| rbergeron | Maybe we call it a validation compose. ;) | 15:31 |
| rbergeron | lol | 15:31 |
| adamw | heh. | 15:31 |
| tflink | TTC? | 15:31 |
| rbergeron | T2C! | 15:31 |
| adamw | EYBC | 15:31 |
| rbergeron | Whatever. I say we go for it | 15:31 |
| adamw | (eats your babies candidate) | 15:31 |
| adamw | okay | 15:31 |
| * jskladan is sorry, internet connection died on me :-/ | 15:31 | |
| j_dulaney | HH2G | 15:31 |
| adamw | so in practice that would just entail putting the rats image out on dl.fp.o and printing some matrices, really. it's not a big change. | 15:32 |
| rbergeron | Right. | 15:32 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:32 |
| brunowolff | I think being proactive in finding blockers earlier rather than later is good, but i am not sure if early TCs are needed. | 15:32 |
| adamw | so...how about someone checks in with anaconda and releng teams and makes sure it's okay by them? and if they say yes, we go ahead | 15:32 |
| * j_dulaney had been testing Rawhide with the nightlies in a VM | 15:32 | |
| adamw | j_dulaney: the nightlies are f16 not rawhide, i believe | 15:32 |
| j_dulaney | adamw: I can do that | 15:32 |
| * j_dulaney speaks of prior to branch | 15:33 | |
| adamw | ah i see | 15:33 |
| adamw | okay | 15:33 |
| adamw | #action j_dulaney to check in with anaconda and releng teams on the feasibility of making the rats point (08-31) an early tc | 15:33 |
| * rbergeron goes to take people for education, brb. | 15:33 | |
| * rbergeron applays adamw's bus-under-throwing, nice work | 15:34 | |
| rbergeron | ;) | 15:34 |
| rbergeron | applauds | 15:34 |
| adamw | if you could update us on the list that'd be great - next meeting might be a bit tight | 15:34 |
| adamw | rbergeron: heh | 15:34 |
| adamw | or we could discuss it at the open discussion bit of the blocker meeting, everyone's always eager to extend those meetings, right?! | 15:34 |
| j_dulaney | adamw: Indeed | 15:34 |
| j_dulaney | Nope | 15:35 |
| tflink | adamw: no, not really | 15:35 |
| * j_dulaney will have trouble enough with making blockers, if they go over they'll be blocking class. This is not cool | 15:35 | |
| adamw | heh | 15:35 |
| adamw | so, list update it is | 15:36 |
| adamw | alright...do we have any other post-alpha / pre-beta stuff to discuss? | 15:36 |
| adamw | oh, hey, i have one! | 15:37 |
| adamw | looking at the retrospective, one of the points is about the tc images being delayed | 15:37 |
| tflink | the F15 retrospective? | 15:37 |
| tflink | or the new F16 one? | 15:37 |
| adamw | not that old thing, the new new one | 15:37 |
| adamw | it might be good for us to have a tc shepherd poking releng with a stick when it comes to image compose time | 15:37 |
| j_dulaney | Alpha TC1 for F16 comes to mind | 15:38 |
| adamw | right | 15:38 |
| * tflink doesn't quite understand what you're proposing | 15:38 | |
| j_dulaney | adamw: I could do that this round; can't say I'll do it for the future | 15:38 |
| adamw | j_dulaney: i think we'd best not overload your plate :) | 15:38 |
| tflink | you mean someone that pesters releng to make sure that their issues are being taken care of? | 15:38 |
| tflink | or whatever you want to call what happened with the alpha tc | 15:39 |
| adamw | tflink: really, just someone to file the ticket requesting tc1 and then posts to it to ensure the delivery | 15:39 |
| nirik | I think alpha creeps up on everyone... | 15:39 |
| j_dulaney | adamw: Since I'm going to be poking them anyway, I could include it in the same emails | 15:39 |
| adamw | nothing too heavy-handed, maybe just a post a day or two before the scheduled date, and of course post again on the date if the images don't show up | 15:39 |
| adamw | nirik: yeah, it tends to | 15:39 |
| adamw | it's an idea, if no-one likes it, never mind | 15:39 |
| tflink | it would be nice to avoid another week delay in tc | 15:40 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:40 |
| * tflink isn't pointing fingers, though | 15:40 | |
| adamw | no, none of that | 15:41 |
| j_dulaney | Maybe doing it for F17 wouldn't be too bad, though | 15:41 |
| adamw | ok | 15:41 |
| adamw | doesn't seem anyone's that enthusiastic, so let's leave it | 15:41 |
| adamw | soo... | 15:42 |
| adamw | #topic AutoQA update | 15:42 |
| adamw | do we have anyone from autoqa to take the floor? | 15:42 |
| tflink | kparal is gone this week and I've been spending most of my time on other things ... jskladan ? | 15:42 |
| j_dulaney | tflink: I've sent you an email with the test suit | 15:42 |
| tflink | j_dulaney: awesome | 15:43 |
| adamw | we're getting test suits now? | 15:43 |
| j_dulaney | It's gzipped | 15:43 |
| adamw | why wasn't i told? | 15:43 |
| tflink | adamw: because we knew you'd object | 15:43 |
| j_dulaney | adamw: the mock infranstructure and testing mechanism | 15:43 |
| j_dulaney | For testing AutoQA | 15:44 |
| adamw | j_dulaney: just making a joke about the missing e :) | 15:44 |
| tflink | j_dulaney: I'll keep an eye out for it, I haven't seen anything yet | 15:44 |
| j_dulaney | Doh | 15:44 |
| j_dulaney | tflink: for some reason, Github doesn't like me | 15:44 |
| j_dulaney | I can't commit even to my own repository | 15:44 |
| tflink | :-/ | 15:44 |
| j_dulaney | So, I gave up on it | 15:45 |
| adamw | jskladan: alive? | 15:45 |
| tflink | I think that we were spending more time on testing alpha last week than autoqa development | 15:45 |
| tflink | but I'll see how far off I am on this :) | 15:45 |
| tflink | mkrizek has been working to get more of our dependencies into fedora (yourls, autoqa) | 15:46 |
| j_dulaney | tflink: True; I did almost nothing AutoQA related last week | 15:46 |
| adamw | #chair tflink | 15:46 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: adamw tflink | 15:46 |
| adamw | #info "I think that we were spending more time on testing alpha last week than autoqa development" | 15:46 |
| tflink | # info inching towards getting the rest of AutoQA's dependencies packaged in fedora | 15:47 |
| j_dulaney | tflink: I included a text file on how to put together tests (how to do the config file, where to put RPMs to test, etc) | 15:47 |
| tflink | #info inching towards getting the rest of AutoQA's dependencies packaged in fedora | 15:47 |
| tflink | #info j_dulaney has been working on the self test portions of AutoQA | 15:48 |
| j_dulaney | So, now we need to start thinking up tests to run on AutoQA | 15:48 |
| j_dulaney | I've got a few ideas I'll be putting on the ticket sometime this week | 15:48 |
| tflink | We'll be pushing forward with the features planned for 0.7.0 but other than that, will be testing F16 | 15:49 |
| adamw | do we have any roadblocks with the packaging stuff? did the sponsor issue work out? | 15:49 |
| tflink | mkrizek would know for certain but I believe so, yes | 15:49 |
| adamw | great | 15:50 |
| tflink | I don't believe that we have any new roadblocks for packaging, autotest just isn't going to be easy :) | 15:50 |
| tflink | how's that for a disorganized and long status? | 15:50 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:50 |
| adamw | 10/10! | 15:50 |
| tflink | sweet | 15:50 |
| adamw | keep us all in the loop with any packaging issues, i'm sure we can handle reviews at least among the rest of the group | 15:51 |
| tflink | will do | 15:51 |
| adamw | #info "We'll be pushing forward with the features planned for 0.7.0 but other than that, will be testing F16" | 15:51 |
| adamw | #topic open discussion | 15:51 |
| adamw | okay...so, anything i missed? there's gotta b | 15:51 |
| adamw | e | 15:51 |
| j_dulaney | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^B^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | 15:52 |
| j_dulaney | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | 15:52 |
| j_dulaney | A 'B' in the carrot patch | 15:53 |
| adamw | man, we're dying out here | 15:54 |
| adamw | someone tell a joke | 15:54 |
| tflink | two men walked into a bar ... the third one ducked | 15:54 |
| adamw | ba-dum *tish* | 15:54 |
| adamw | play us off, stan | 15:55 |
| adamw | *dances off stage sideways with cane* | 15:55 |
| j_dulaney | So, a Microsoft Programmer, an Apple Programmer, and a Linux hacker walk into a library | 15:55 |
| adamw | oh boy, should we stop you before the lawyers wake up? =) | 15:55 |
| j_dulaney | Probably | 15:55 |
| adamw | hehe | 15:56 |
| adamw | i guess that's it then... | 15:56 |
| adamw | everyone look out for the blocker meeting friday, and a rats run or tc image the following week | 15:56 |
| adamw | oh | 15:57 |
| adamw | does anyone want to chair the next meeting? next week, same time, same place? | 15:57 |
| j_dulaney | Right | 15:57 |
| * j_dulaney is available | 15:58 | |
| adamw | #action j_dulaney to chair the next meeting | 15:58 |
| j_dulaney | As long as I get to class by 1 PM | 15:58 |
| adamw | thanks jay! you know the location of the meeting SOP, right? | 15:59 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:59 |
| adamw | cool | 16:00 |
| adamw | thanks for coming, everyone | 16:00 |
| adamw | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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