Meeting:Zikula IRC log 20090715

Last Meeting

• Meeting:Zikula_IRC_log_20090708

Attendees

• mizmo
• stickster
• Sparks
• poelcat
• ricky
• rislam
• abadger1999

Packaging Status

• Most important part of going live on time
• Tracking bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=504066&hide_resolved=1
• Targeting 2009-07-23 for finishing packaging

Test Instance

• ke4qqq is working on it

Team Responsibilities

• Docs is responsible and accountable for getting the Zikula system packaged, complete with whatever modules we need
• Infrastructure is responsible for putting the app up, once that's done
• Design is responsible for skinning the thing
• Marketing (ianweller) is responsible for assessing it for use with their new content project
  • the News team is probably affected by this and should be kept informed (they're really team #5 more or less)

Next Meeting

• Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 17:00 UTC/11 AM EDT

IRC Log

poelcat	#startmeeting Zikula	15:00
poelcat	who is the house to talk Zikula?	15:01
* Sparks is here		15:01
poelcat	Sparks: hi	15:02
poelcat	ke4qqq ianweller ping	15:02
poelcat	who else did we need to track down?	15:02
Sparks	ke4qqq ianweller rislam jds2001 rjune_wrk mizmo: Zikula Meeting	15:04
* rislam is here		15:04
* ricky is here		15:04
poelcat	let's get started and hopefully ke4qqq will appeear	15:06
* poelcat looks at Meeting:Zikula_IRC_log_20090708 for followups		15:06
poelcat	#topic followup Meeting:Zikula_IRC_log_20090708	15:06
mizmo	hi	15:06
poelcat	Sparks: how's Tracking of other modules needs to be added to bugzilla	15:06
Sparks	I think everything is on that ticket, now.	15:07
* abadger1999 rubs his eyes and joins the party		15:07
* Sparks goes to get the link		15:07
poelcat	Sparks: cool	15:07
poelcat	we had a few others that ke4qqq was tracking down and a few that I'm not sure who was covering them	15:08
poelcat	re: puppet manifests and getting the test instance going	15:08
Sparks	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504066	15:09
buggbot	Bug 504066: medium, high, ---, david, ASSIGNED, CMS for docs.fp.org	15:09
Sparks	^^^ That should be the master ticket. I see 16 blockers on that ticket of which three have been closed.	15:09
Sparks	I know that my packages are in bodhi no	15:09
Sparks	now	15:09
poelcat	Sparks: we said last week we wanted to have all "non-sponsor-needed" modules done by today	15:10
poelcat	is there an easy way to tell?	15:10
Sparks	poelcat: I wouldn't know. ke4qqq should. I can do a query to see if anything is flagged as NEEDSPONSOR, though.	15:11
Sparks	poelcat: Give me a few minutes and I'll see if I can do that.	15:12
poelcat	okay	15:13
poelcat	in the meantime who can give status on puppet and the test instance?	15:13
* ricky has been wondering about the test instance as well		15:14
ricky	Is there a link floating around by any chance?  :-)	15:15
poelcat	ricky: I don't have one.. it was a comment made in passing last week	15:15
ricky	Ah, OK	15:16
* poelcat notes this meeting seems to be dragging		15:17
abadger1999	It is running on one of the publictests.	15:17
poelcat	do we have enough of the right people today or should we call the meeting?	15:17
Sparks	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=zikula&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&field0-0-0=blocked&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=177841	15:18
poelcat	abadger1999: do you know if there are particular things that need to be done to it to make it usable?	15:18
Sparks	poelcat: Should be one package open that still needs sponsorship... zikula-module-Content	15:18
poelcat	Sparks: how can we get a sponsor for it?	15:19
Sparks	I think abadger1999 is working that ticket.	15:19
abadger1999	Sparks, poelcatI will sponsor when the package is ready.	15:19
Sparks	.bug 492091	15:19
buggbot	Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=492091 medium, low, ---, a.badger, ASSIGNED, Review Request: zikula-module-Content - Page editing module for Zikula	15:19
buggbot	Bug 492091: medium, low, ---, a.badger, ASSIGNED, Review Request: zikula-module-Content - Page editing module for Zikula	15:19
abadger1999	poelcat: I do not know of the status of the publictest instance.	15:20
poelcat	okay, so who will make the package ready?	15:20
abadger1999	It was running quite a while ago, but without everything being in packages.	15:20
Sparks	Yeah, there is a publictest instance. I don't recall what it was, though. We talked about it on the Marketing Meeting yesterday	15:21
abadger1999	Looks like publictest15	15:23
quaid	publictest15	15:23
Sparks	Yeah, what they said	15:23
Sparks	#link http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/cms/	15:24
poelcat	let's close on bug 492091... what is the next action and who owns it?	15:24
buggbot	Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=492091 medium, low, ---, a.badger, ASSIGNED, Review Request: zikula-module-Content - Page editing module for Zikula	15:24
Sparks	LukasHetzi owns it and abadger1999 is working it	15:25
abadger1999	So next step for that is Lukas makes a new package that uses the system installed php libraries instead of the ones bundled with the package.	15:26
poelcat	how soon do we need that from Lukas and does he know we are waiting for it?	15:27
Sparks	Last comment on the ticket was today	15:29
abadger1999	Yeah, I worked on a bunch of reviews last night. Lukas has been pretty responsive.	15:32
abadger1999	Don't know if he knows there's urgency in getting reviewed, though.	15:32
poelcat	okay, i guess we should move on. It might help if he did	15:34
poelcat	Sparks: who knows the latest status of the test instance and what the next steps are?	15:35
Sparks	poelcat: I can't answer that.	15:35
poelcat	who would be the next logical person to ask?	15:36
Sparks	ke4qqq: or infra	15:36
* stickster_mtg shows up very late		15:39
stickster	I'm sorry guys	15:39
poelcat	anything else we should cover today? it seems that we aren't making a lot of progress	15:39
poelcat	and are dependent on others not here	15:39
* stickster reads back to see where we are		15:39
rislam	i'm confused to ask what part I should take as I am new on this team	15:41
stickster	Sparks: poelcat: abadger1999: So the main thing I see right now is packaging needs, is that where we're blocked?	15:41
abadger1999	It's probably the bottleneck, though we're flowing.	15:41
Sparks	stickster: that is a major blocker	15:41
abadger1999	packaging needs include writing/rewriting code sometimes.	15:42
* Sparks agrees with abadger1999		15:42
abadger1999	because of bundled libraries or licensing issues.	15:42
stickster	Sparks: Who do we have working on the team who's PHP proficient (or somewhat so)?	15:42
* Sparks doesn't know		15:42
* stickster has done a couple packages himself, but they tended to be pretty easy.		15:43
stickster	Sparks: Perhaps you could clarify that on the list, then?	15:43
Sparks	stickster: ok	15:43
stickster	We probably need to know who our go-to folks are. And if we don't have any outside the Zikula folks, we would want to know that as well.	15:43
stickster	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=504066&hide_resolved=1	15:44
stickster	That's the current lineup for Zikula packaging stuff that's waiting, right?	15:44
stickster	abadger1999: About thsi bug...	15:45
stickster	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506517	15:45
buggbot	Bug 506517: medium, medium, ---, nb, ASSIGNED, Review Request: phpFlickr - PHP client library for Flickr	15:45
stickster	That looks closeable to me, do you agree?	15:45
* stickster has stepped in the weeds and backs out.		15:45
stickster	Would anybody agree that, since packaging is a bottleneck, we should traverse this short bug list to see what needs to be completed?	15:46
abadger1999	stickster: Looks to be. Let me check with yum	15:46
stickster	Or am I digging too deep there?	15:46
Sparks	stickster: Are we holding these tickets open until the package goes live?	15:46
stickster	Sparks: I think abadger1999 just asked the same thing, differently	15:46
poelcat	the only other topic we had was how to engage other groups besides documentation but i'm not sure if we have enough other people t9o discuss	15:47
poelcat	so walking the bug list for the remaining time is fine	15:47
stickster	poelcat: Sorry if I got off the agenda	15:47
* stickster was like a bull in a china shop there for a minute		15:47
stickster	So...	15:48
stickster	The way I see it, there are four groups that are involved somehow	15:48
stickster	Docs is responsible and accountable for getting the Zikula system packaged, complete with whatever modules we need	15:48
* stickster <-- disagree with this guy when appropriate		15:49
* Sparks agrees		15:49
abadger1999	I think phpFlickr is done -- it's in EPEL-5 testing.	15:49
stickster	abadger1999: eggscellent	15:49
Sparks	I think my packages are in EPEL-5 testing, too	15:49
Sparks	except for the one with the licensing issued	15:50
Sparks	issues	15:50
abadger1999	ke4qqq: may have that set to autoclose by bodhi when the package goes stable in F-11 but there's not much left too do.	15:50
stickster	Infrastructure is responsible for putting the app up, once that's done	15:50
stickster	Design is responsible for skinning the thing	15:50
* Sparks has his set to autoclose when it goes stable in F-11		15:50
stickster	(i.e. CSS work)	15:50
* quaid puts the skinning knife away ...		15:51
stickster	Marketing (ianweller) is responsible for assessing it for use with their new content project	15:51
stickster	On the side, the News team is probably affected by this and should be kept informed (they're really team #5 more or less)	15:51
abadger1999	regarding infra responsibility, we're planning on giving as much of that to itbegins/other people brought in by their intterest in zikula as possible.	15:52
abadger1999	I'll try to get people sponsored into additional groups or, failing that, will proxy changes into infrastructure for them.	15:52
stickster	So for each of these teams, there's someone in particular who's responsible for tasks -- abadger1999 just stated what he's doing in this process.	15:53
stickster	ianweller: <-- is not here apparently to talk about Marketing	15:53
Sparks	ke4qqq: <-- is managing the packaging	15:54
stickster	So all those people are involved on the logistics list, right?	15:54
Sparks	should be	15:54
poelcat	i think so too	15:55
stickster	It seems to me all the groups that should be engaged, are	15:55
Sparks	now if we can just get them to show up to a meeting!	15:55
stickster	We can still establish next actions and set due dates for them	15:55
Sparks	+1 to assigning work to people who aren't here.	15:56
stickster	Sparks: Do you recall what the target date was to get the publictest instance updated with the packages being created?	15:56
stickster	poelcat: I hope I'm not retreading old ground here	15:56
* poelcat notes we have 4 min until the end		15:56
Sparks	I don't	15:56
poelcat	stickster: nope	15:56
Sparks	Before the RNs Alpha	15:57
stickster	Sparks: When is that?	15:57
* Sparks is looking		15:57
poelcat	2009-08-18	15:57
stickster	Thanks :-)	15:57
Sparks	I was going to say the 16th but I'm good with a couple extradays	15:58
stickster	OK, so without a better idea of when modules are to be completed, and to leave us room to get problems worked out, what if we tried to have all the packaging work done by 23 July (Fri) or 26 July (Mon)?	15:58
stickster	That seems eminently achievable	15:59
stickster	I got easy packages done in about an hour	15:59
poelcat	we had an initial target of "completion of all non-sponsor-needed modules by next Wednesday, July 15, 2009 "	15:59
stickster	And the hard ones we should bubble up to the list for help.	15:59
stickster	poelcat: Ah, so I'm slipping that date then?	15:59
Sparks	except the 23rd is a Thursday and the 26th is a Sunday	15:59
stickster	sorry, date fail :-)	15:59
poelcat	well we need status from ke4qqq	15:59
poelcat	so i'm not sure :)	16:00
poelcat	we need to wrap up... I think QA meeting is next	16:00
stickster	poelcat: Thanks for that date, I didn't realize we'd passed the deadline at this poitn.	16:00
* adamw taps foot and looks at watch		16:00
stickster	OK, let's see if we can round up issues on list	16:00
jlaska	hehe	16:00
poelcat	thanks everyone	16:00
stickster	Take it away QA!	16:00
poelcat	#endmeeting	16:00