QA/Meetings/20110418

Attendees

People present (lines said):

1. jlaska (94)
2. adamw (33)
3. StylusEater (20)
4. tflink (16)
5. vhumpa (8)
6. zodbot (3)
7. jsmith (2)
8. jskladan (1)
9. kparal (1)
10. robatino (1)

Unable to attend:

1. Rhe (hopefully sleeping)
2. Hongqing (hopefully sleeping)
3. Twu (hopefully sleeping)

Agenda

• Proposed meeting agenda
• MeetBot summary

F-15-Beta status

• Beta releases tomorrow
• Be on the look-out for Common_F15_bugs additions
• As always, please note the good/bad/ugly at Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective
• Monitor proposed and accepted blocker bugs (Current_Release_Blockers)

Upcoming QA events

Thursday, April 21 - GNOME3 Test Day #3

• Request: fedora-qa#155
• STATUS: INPROGRESS
• vhumpa and rlat working on wiki page and adjusting test cases

Thursday, April 28 - Cloud SIG Test Day

• Request: fedora-qa#169
• STATUS: UNKNOWN

IRC Log

jlaska	#startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting	15:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Apr 18 15:00:02 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	15:00
jlaska	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	15:00
jlaska	#topic Roll Call	15:00
adamw	yo	15:00
* tflink is present		15:00
jlaska	Come one, come all ... to the weekly QA-a-thon!	15:00
* StylusEater is present		15:00
tflink	wait, I thought this was only supposed to last an hour at most ...	15:00
jlaska	tflink: hah, I've secretly switched your regular meeting with a blocker review meeting	15:01
jlaska	welcome adamw tflink StylusEater	15:01
* adamw falls to knees, clutches head and screams at sky		15:01
tflink	jlaska: another >4hr meeting? Sounds awesome :-/	15:01
adamw	NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!	15:01
jlaska	:P	15:01
jlaska	tflink: sign me up!	15:01
jlaska	Anyone else? I think kparal might not be able to make it today	15:02
jlaska	robatino, Viking-Ice, vhumpa, jskladan ... anyone else I'm missing	15:02
* kparal lurks and leaves in 10 mins		15:02
jlaska	lurker! :)	15:02
* robatino here		15:02
* jsmith lurks		15:02
jlaska	hi folks	15:02
* vhumpa here here		15:02
tflink	jlaska: says the guy who disappeared for an hour last time :-P	15:02
jlaska	tflink: busted :)	15:03
jlaska	okay, let's get moving ...	15:03
jlaska	#topic Previous meeting follow-up	15:03
jlaska	This is pretty tame ... the only item I had on the list was Adamw noted he would followup on the virt test day prep	15:03
jlaska	and it seems like that happened, so thanks adamw	15:03
adamw	yeah, justin said he had it all under control and he did	15:04
jlaska	Speaking of ... rhe did some nice work re-organizing the test cases on the wiki	15:04
* jskladan is here		15:04
jlaska	hi jskladan	15:04
jlaska	I haven't heard back on the event yet, but seems like we did have participation. It feels like it was more than previous virt events, but I don't have data to compare yet	15:05
jlaska	anyway ... that's all I had from last week	15:05
jlaska	anything else before we move on?	15:05
jlaska	#topic F-15-Beta status	15:05
jlaska	So, this will be short and sweet :)	15:06
jlaska	#link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2011-April/000226.html	15:06
jlaska	The Beta was declared GOLD last week, and should be hitting mirrors starting tomorrow I believe	15:06
tflink	there is a pending change to the pre-release download page, too	15:06
jlaska	Just a few reminder links for folks as we triage incoming issues ...	15:07
jlaska	#link Common_F15_bugs	15:07
jlaska	#link Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective	15:07
tflink	that will direct people to #fedora-qa or test@ for support on the beta	15:07
adamw	i've pretty much done commonbugs	15:07
jlaska	adamw: I saw that ... amazing work	15:07
adamw	all the alpha issues are 'tagged' for easy removal when the beta hits	15:07
adamw	if anyone can think of any bugs that should be called out there...do add them or tag the bug with the commonbugs keyword	15:07
jlaska	there was one CLOSED anaconda bug I'm going to add to the list, since it will not be fixed until F16	15:08
adamw	nice	15:08
tflink	so we may have an increase in the number of common questions that might have otherwise gone to #fedora	15:08
jlaska	tflink: good point, thanks for the heads up	15:08
jlaska	anything we need to consider or do differently to handle these questions?	15:08
jlaska	or just be mindful and try to point folks to the right places?	15:09
StylusEater	is the "infamously" flamed RAID/mdadm bug fixed? :-)	15:09
tflink	I can't think of anything other than being patient and aware of the possible influx of new people	15:09
adamw	StylusEater: not sure what bug you mean.	15:09
jlaska	StylusEater: apparently it wasn't that infamous :)	15:09
adamw	StylusEater: if you mean the one discussed on devel, then as soon as you do an update, you'll get a fixed mdadm.	15:09
StylusEater	adamw: yes that is the one.	15:10
jlaska	ah that thread :)	15:10
jlaska	#694958 I think	15:11
jlaska	anyway, so that's all I had on F-15-Beta	15:11
jlaska	thanks tflink for the reminder about new testers arriving in a channel near us soon	15:11
tflink	jlaska: np	15:11
jlaska	We already have a good list of F15 QA retrospective topics on the wiki ... please drop notes there for things that worked well, or poorly	15:11
jlaska	If nothing else on the Beta, I'll move on	15:12
jlaska	#topic Upcoming QA events	15:12
jlaska	#info Thursday, April 21 - GNOME3 Test Day #3 - Test_Day:2011-04-21_GNOME3_Final	15:12
jlaska	coming this Thursday, the last of the GNOME3 test days	15:13
jlaska	vhumpa: how's the prep work going?	15:13
vhumpa	Yes - the page is moreorless coming to its final looks now - Test_Day:2011-04-21_GNOME3_Final	15:13
adamw	this time we have managed to avoid an upstream release week, but have hit with ninja-like precision the week in which mclasen is on vacation	15:13
vhumpa	We have reorganized the test cases as you can see, basically - the issues that were part of the "second" table to go first together with the most problematic issues	15:14
jlaska	adamw: doh! Is there someone (or a group of people) who are available in his place?	15:14
* StylusEater raises hand		15:14
adamw	yeah, caillon will probably be around, maybe a few others.	15:14
jlaska	cool	15:14
jlaska	StylusEater: what's up?	15:14
adamw	StylusEater: we mean 'people from the desktop team' :)	15:14
jlaska	ah	15:15
adamw	vhumpa: the 'workspaces' test case seems to be missing?	15:15
StylusEater	jlaska: I am editing the wiki and was wondering if QA is considered a SIG or a formal project?	15:15
vhumpa	adamw: yes, I still have to write that one :)	15:15
jsmith	StylusEater: My own opinion is that it's a formal project, although I'm not sure it's ever been documented as such	15:16
vhumpa	It's pretty much only idea for a new test case I got together with rlat from desktop team	15:16
jlaska	StylusEater: as jsmith notes, I'm not sure if it's ever been defined	15:17
vhumpa	adamw: It was covered a little bit in "dash" before, but we deem it deserves it's own better test case since multiple desktops has changed singnificantly	15:17
adamw	vhumpa: sounds good	15:17
StylusEater	jlaska: OK I see a bunch of "suggestions" not to add something that isn't a formal project to certain pages. I'm editing the wiki and asking this question b/c QA wasn't super easy to find until I scrolled/searched.	15:17
adamw	nice catch	15:17
jlaska	StylusEater: if you like, we can talk more about that in open-discussion shortly	15:18
StylusEater	jlaska: noted. sorry for interrupting.	15:18
jlaska	how are we set for announcements for the test day	15:19
jlaska	StylusEater: no worries at all	15:19
vhumpa	adamw: I won't be available until wednesday, so if you have any ideas/comments please let me know and I will implement them as soon as I hit office again	15:19
adamw	vhumpa: i just threw you an email with a couple of minor notes, but mostly it looks great	15:19
adamw	do you have a plan for announcements, or shall I do it? if you're not going to be around till wed maybe best if i do it	15:20
vhumpa	adamw: I see it, thanks	15:20
jlaska	anything different we need to do with the announcements, or the usual fedoraplanet and test-announce?	15:21
adamw	i do more for these	15:21
adamw	they go out to phoronix, lwn, distrowatch and stuff	15:21
jlaska	ooh, nice	15:21
adamw	for this one i might go nuts and try and get it on slashdot, which would be fun	15:21
jlaska	I'd say	15:22
adamw	(since it's 3.0 final)	15:22
jlaska	adamw: do you want help with those announcements?	15:22
adamw	not really, it's mostly just cut-n-paste	15:22
adamw	and the mighty power of CC:	15:22
jlaska	heh	15:23
jlaska	alrighty	15:23
jlaska	nice work vhumpa and adamw ... this will be another fun test day	15:23
jlaska	#info Thursday, April 28 - Cloud SIG Test Day - http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/169	15:23
tflink	I pinged the cloud SIG list last week but still haven't heard anything back from them directly	15:24
jlaska	tflink: thank you for doing that	15:24
tflink	looking through the meetbot logs from their meeting last friday, it looks like they are planning to have EC2 beta AMI images ready early this week	15:24
jlaska	oh, would those then be used for the test day?	15:24
tflink	there don't seem to be any concrete plans for the test day, but boxgrinder was mentioned	15:25
tflink	jlaska: not sure, I think so though	15:25
tflink	I'm planning to step up my level of being a pest later today	15:25
jlaska	hah .. okay, thanks for staying on top of that	15:25
tflink	so we can get started on some test cases etc.	15:26
jlaska	tflink: I'm happy to take action items from you for test case work ... I'm curious how all this stuff works anyway	15:26
jlaska	we can catch up during the week on that	15:26
jlaska	That's all I had for upcoming QA events	15:26
tflink	jlaska: there aren't really any test cases at the moment, but I'll gladly take you up on that if/when there are action items	15:26
jlaska	#info Friday, April 22 - Blocker review marathon	15:27
jlaska	tflink: roger	15:27
jlaska	#topic Open discussion - <Your topic here>	15:27
jlaska	okay, that's all I had on the agenda, anything folks wanted to discuss?	15:28
jlaska	StylusEater: you mentioned something about QA as a SIG or a project?	15:28
StylusEater	yes	15:28
StylusEater	I read the guidelines and only the board can "anoint" QA as a formal project	15:28
StylusEater	the reason my question came up is I wanted to edit the wiki and put QA under the project area	15:29
adamw	well, our page describes QA as a project twice in the first line. "Welcome to the Fedora QA project page. Fedora QA is the project which covers all testing of the software that makes up Fedora."	15:29
adamw	but i don't know any of the 'formal' crap.	15:29
StylusEater	adamw: I read that too.	15:29
jlaska	yeah, me neither	15:30
jlaska	StylusEater: you want it listed on the left-nav side bar under sub-projects?	15:30
adamw	since BugZappers is a sub-project of QA, though, it's quite odd the have BugZappers in that list and not QA>	15:30
StylusEater	jlaska: yes among other places...	15:30
jlaska	yeah, I would think we'd want the other way around	15:30
StylusEater	adamw: yes. That is potentially confusing for n00bs.	15:31
jlaska	StylusEater: is the process defined for how you get blessing from the board, is this just a matter of filing a ticket?	15:31
StylusEater	jlaska: yes it is. One moment, let me find the link.	15:31
adamw	and where's the Official List Of Board-Blessed Projects?	15:31
StylusEater	DefiningProjects	15:31
StylusEater	jlaska: basically it requires administrative stuff like reporting so the board can judge the long-term sustainability of the "project"	15:32
StylusEater	adamw: I believe here... Projects	15:33
jlaska	I have no idea what tasks/activities aren't currently done in QA, that would need to happen to get "project" status	15:34
adamw	the sub-projects list already isn't a 1-to-1 map of that list. but cool, thanks for digging this out	15:34
jlaska	so, where to go from here? Is this worth a mail to advisory-board@ to figure out what is needed to get blessing?	15:35
adamw	probably.	15:36
adamw	or a ticket would be better.	15:36
StylusEater	adamw: yw	15:36
StylusEater	QA is important so I figured I'd bring it up.	15:36
jlaska	well, that's the easy part, I can ask the dumb questions at least	15:36
jlaska	assuming this is just some wiki updates, this should be straight forward. Otherwise, we'll review any process gaps and decide how to proceed	15:37
adamw	i can do it too, either way is fine	15:37
jlaska	#action jlaska reach out to advisory-board@ for guidance on becoming an official project	15:38
jlaska	adamw: I don't mind either	15:38
adamw	you go for it then	15:38
jlaska	StylusEater: thanks for raising this topic	15:38
StylusEater	jlaska: yw	15:39
jlaska	#info StylusEater asked whether QA was a project or a SIG	15:39
jlaska	Anything else for Open-discussion	15:39
jlaska	?	15:39
jlaska	otherwise, I think many of us are meeting'd out	15:39
jlaska	:)	15:39
jlaska	okay, let's set the fuse for 1 minute	15:40
jlaska	#topic Open discussion - last call	15:40
jlaska	10 seconds ...	15:41
jlaska	Thanks for your time everyone	15:41
jlaska	I'll send minutes to the list this afternoon	15:41
jlaska	#endmeeting	15:41

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