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People present (lines said):
- jlaska (94)
- adamw (33)
- StylusEater (20)
- tflink (16)
- vhumpa (8)
- zodbot (3)
- jsmith (2)
- jskladan (1)
- kparal (1)
- robatino (1)
Unable to attend:
Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
F-15-Beta status
- Beta releases tomorrow
- Be on the look-out for Common_F15_bugs additions
- As always, please note the good/bad/ugly at Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective
- Monitor proposed and accepted blocker bugs (Current_Release_Blockers)
Upcoming QA events
Thursday, April 21 - GNOME3 Test Day #3
- Request: fedora-qa#155
- STATUS: INPROGRESS
- vhumpa and rlat working on wiki page and adjusting test cases
Thursday, April 28 - Cloud SIG Test Day
- Request: fedora-qa#169
- STATUS: UNKNOWN
Open discussion - <Your topic here>
Action items
IRC Log
| jlaska | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting | 15:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Apr 18 15:00:02 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
| jlaska | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:00 |
| jlaska | #topic Roll Call | 15:00 |
| adamw | yo | 15:00 |
| * tflink is present | 15:00 | |
| jlaska | Come one, come all ... to the weekly QA-a-thon! | 15:00 |
| * StylusEater is present | 15:00 | |
| tflink | wait, I thought this was only supposed to last an hour at most ... | 15:00 |
| jlaska | tflink: hah, I've secretly switched your regular meeting with a blocker review meeting | 15:01 |
| jlaska | welcome adamw tflink StylusEater | 15:01 |
| * adamw falls to knees, clutches head and screams at sky | 15:01 | |
| tflink | jlaska: another >4hr meeting? Sounds awesome :-/ | 15:01 |
| adamw | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! | 15:01 |
| jlaska | :P | 15:01 |
| jlaska | tflink: sign me up! | 15:01 |
| jlaska | Anyone else? I think kparal might not be able to make it today | 15:02 |
| jlaska | robatino, Viking-Ice, vhumpa, jskladan ... anyone else I'm missing | 15:02 |
| * kparal lurks and leaves in 10 mins | 15:02 | |
| jlaska | lurker! :) | 15:02 |
| * robatino here | 15:02 | |
| * jsmith lurks | 15:02 | |
| jlaska | hi folks | 15:02 |
| * vhumpa here here | 15:02 | |
| tflink | jlaska: says the guy who disappeared for an hour last time :-P | 15:02 |
| jlaska | tflink: busted :) | 15:03 |
| jlaska | okay, let's get moving ... | 15:03 |
| jlaska | #topic Previous meeting follow-up | 15:03 |
| jlaska | This is pretty tame ... the only item I had on the list was Adamw noted he would followup on the virt test day prep | 15:03 |
| jlaska | and it seems like that happened, so thanks adamw | 15:03 |
| adamw | yeah, justin said he had it all under control and he did | 15:04 |
| jlaska | Speaking of ... rhe did some nice work re-organizing the test cases on the wiki | 15:04 |
| * jskladan is here | 15:04 | |
| jlaska | hi jskladan | 15:04 |
| jlaska | I haven't heard back on the event yet, but seems like we did have participation. It feels like it was more than previous virt events, but I don't have data to compare yet | 15:05 |
| jlaska | anyway ... that's all I had from last week | 15:05 |
| jlaska | anything else before we move on? | 15:05 |
| jlaska | #topic F-15-Beta status | 15:05 |
| jlaska | So, this will be short and sweet :) | 15:06 |
| jlaska | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2011-April/000226.html | 15:06 |
| jlaska | The Beta was declared GOLD last week, and should be hitting mirrors starting tomorrow I believe | 15:06 |
| tflink | there is a pending change to the pre-release download page, too | 15:06 |
| jlaska | Just a few reminder links for folks as we triage incoming issues ... | 15:07 |
| jlaska | #link Common_F15_bugs | 15:07 |
| jlaska | #link Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective | 15:07 |
| tflink | that will direct people to #fedora-qa or test@ for support on the beta | 15:07 |
| adamw | i've pretty much done commonbugs | 15:07 |
| jlaska | adamw: I saw that ... amazing work | 15:07 |
| adamw | all the alpha issues are 'tagged' for easy removal when the beta hits | 15:07 |
| adamw | if anyone can think of any bugs that should be called out there...do add them or tag the bug with the commonbugs keyword | 15:07 |
| jlaska | there was one CLOSED anaconda bug I'm going to add to the list, since it will not be fixed until F16 | 15:08 |
| adamw | nice | 15:08 |
| tflink | so we may have an increase in the number of common questions that might have otherwise gone to #fedora | 15:08 |
| jlaska | tflink: good point, thanks for the heads up | 15:08 |
| jlaska | anything we need to consider or do differently to handle these questions? | 15:08 |
| jlaska | or just be mindful and try to point folks to the right places? | 15:09 |
| StylusEater | is the "infamously" flamed RAID/mdadm bug fixed? :-) | 15:09 |
| tflink | I can't think of anything other than being patient and aware of the possible influx of new people | 15:09 |
| adamw | StylusEater: not sure what bug you mean. | 15:09 |
| jlaska | StylusEater: apparently it wasn't that infamous :) | 15:09 |
| adamw | StylusEater: if you mean the one discussed on devel, then as soon as you do an update, you'll get a fixed mdadm. | 15:09 |
| StylusEater | adamw: yes that is the one. | 15:10 |
| jlaska | ah that thread :) | 15:10 |
| jlaska | #694958 I think | 15:11 |
| jlaska | anyway, so that's all I had on F-15-Beta | 15:11 |
| jlaska | thanks tflink for the reminder about new testers arriving in a channel near us soon | 15:11 |
| tflink | jlaska: np | 15:11 |
| jlaska | We already have a good list of F15 QA retrospective topics on the wiki ... please drop notes there for things that worked well, or poorly | 15:11 |
| jlaska | If nothing else on the Beta, I'll move on | 15:12 |
| jlaska | #topic Upcoming QA events | 15:12 |
| jlaska | #info Thursday, April 21 - GNOME3 Test Day #3 - Test_Day:2011-04-21_GNOME3_Final | 15:12 |
| jlaska | coming this Thursday, the last of the GNOME3 test days | 15:13 |
| jlaska | vhumpa: how's the prep work going? | 15:13 |
| vhumpa | Yes - the page is moreorless coming to its final looks now - Test_Day:2011-04-21_GNOME3_Final | 15:13 |
| adamw | this time we have managed to avoid an upstream release week, but have hit with ninja-like precision the week in which mclasen is on vacation | 15:13 |
| vhumpa | We have reorganized the test cases as you can see, basically - the issues that were part of the "second" table to go first together with the most problematic issues | 15:14 |
| jlaska | adamw: doh! Is there someone (or a group of people) who are available in his place? | 15:14 |
| * StylusEater raises hand | 15:14 | |
| adamw | yeah, caillon will probably be around, maybe a few others. | 15:14 |
| jlaska | cool | 15:14 |
| jlaska | StylusEater: what's up? | 15:14 |
| adamw | StylusEater: we mean 'people from the desktop team' :) | 15:14 |
| jlaska | ah | 15:15 |
| adamw | vhumpa: the 'workspaces' test case seems to be missing? | 15:15 |
| StylusEater | jlaska: I am editing the wiki and was wondering if QA is considered a SIG or a formal project? | 15:15 |
| vhumpa | adamw: yes, I still have to write that one :) | 15:15 |
| jsmith | StylusEater: My own opinion is that it's a formal project, although I'm not sure it's ever been documented as such | 15:16 |
| vhumpa | It's pretty much only idea for a new test case I got together with rlat from desktop team | 15:16 |
| jlaska | StylusEater: as jsmith notes, I'm not sure if it's ever been defined | 15:17 |
| vhumpa | adamw: It was covered a little bit in "dash" before, but we deem it deserves it's own better test case since multiple desktops has changed singnificantly | 15:17 |
| adamw | vhumpa: sounds good | 15:17 |
| StylusEater | jlaska: OK I see a bunch of "suggestions" not to add something that isn't a formal project to certain pages. I'm editing the wiki and asking this question b/c QA wasn't super easy to find until I scrolled/searched. | 15:17 |
| adamw | nice catch | 15:17 |
| jlaska | StylusEater: if you like, we can talk more about that in open-discussion shortly | 15:18 |
| StylusEater | jlaska: noted. sorry for interrupting. | 15:18 |
| jlaska | how are we set for announcements for the test day | 15:19 |
| jlaska | StylusEater: no worries at all | 15:19 |
| vhumpa | adamw: I won't be available until wednesday, so if you have any ideas/comments please let me know and I will implement them as soon as I hit office again | 15:19 |
| adamw | vhumpa: i just threw you an email with a couple of minor notes, but mostly it looks great | 15:19 |
| adamw | do you have a plan for announcements, or shall I do it? if you're not going to be around till wed maybe best if i do it | 15:20 |
| vhumpa | adamw: I see it, thanks | 15:20 |
| jlaska | anything different we need to do with the announcements, or the usual fedoraplanet and test-announce? | 15:21 |
| adamw | i do more for these | 15:21 |
| adamw | they go out to phoronix, lwn, distrowatch and stuff | 15:21 |
| jlaska | ooh, nice | 15:21 |
| adamw | for this one i might go nuts and try and get it on slashdot, which would be fun | 15:21 |
| jlaska | I'd say | 15:22 |
| adamw | (since it's 3.0 final) | 15:22 |
| jlaska | adamw: do you want help with those announcements? | 15:22 |
| adamw | not really, it's mostly just cut-n-paste | 15:22 |
| adamw | and the mighty power of CC: | 15:22 |
| jlaska | heh | 15:23 |
| jlaska | alrighty | 15:23 |
| jlaska | nice work vhumpa and adamw ... this will be another fun test day | 15:23 |
| jlaska | #info Thursday, April 28 - Cloud SIG Test Day - http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/169 | 15:23 |
| tflink | I pinged the cloud SIG list last week but still haven't heard anything back from them directly | 15:24 |
| jlaska | tflink: thank you for doing that | 15:24 |
| tflink | looking through the meetbot logs from their meeting last friday, it looks like they are planning to have EC2 beta AMI images ready early this week | 15:24 |
| jlaska | oh, would those then be used for the test day? | 15:24 |
| tflink | there don't seem to be any concrete plans for the test day, but boxgrinder was mentioned | 15:25 |
| tflink | jlaska: not sure, I think so though | 15:25 |
| tflink | I'm planning to step up my level of being a pest later today | 15:25 |
| jlaska | hah .. okay, thanks for staying on top of that | 15:25 |
| tflink | so we can get started on some test cases etc. | 15:26 |
| jlaska | tflink: I'm happy to take action items from you for test case work ... I'm curious how all this stuff works anyway | 15:26 |
| jlaska | we can catch up during the week on that | 15:26 |
| jlaska | That's all I had for upcoming QA events | 15:26 |
| tflink | jlaska: there aren't really any test cases at the moment, but I'll gladly take you up on that if/when there are action items | 15:26 |
| jlaska | #info Friday, April 22 - Blocker review marathon | 15:27 |
| jlaska | tflink: roger | 15:27 |
| jlaska | #topic Open discussion - <Your topic here> | 15:27 |
| jlaska | okay, that's all I had on the agenda, anything folks wanted to discuss? | 15:28 |
| jlaska | StylusEater: you mentioned something about QA as a SIG or a project? | 15:28 |
| StylusEater | yes | 15:28 |
| StylusEater | I read the guidelines and only the board can "anoint" QA as a formal project | 15:28 |
| StylusEater | the reason my question came up is I wanted to edit the wiki and put QA under the project area | 15:29 |
| adamw | well, our page describes QA as a project twice in the first line. "Welcome to the Fedora QA project page. Fedora QA is the project which covers all testing of the software that makes up Fedora." | 15:29 |
| adamw | but i don't know any of the 'formal' crap. | 15:29 |
| StylusEater | adamw: I read that too. | 15:29 |
| jlaska | yeah, me neither | 15:30 |
| jlaska | StylusEater: you want it listed on the left-nav side bar under sub-projects? | 15:30 |
| adamw | since BugZappers is a sub-project of QA, though, it's quite odd the have BugZappers in that list and not QA> | 15:30 |
| StylusEater | jlaska: yes among other places... | 15:30 |
| jlaska | yeah, I would think we'd want the other way around | 15:30 |
| StylusEater | adamw: yes. That is potentially confusing for n00bs. | 15:31 |
| jlaska | StylusEater: is the process defined for how you get blessing from the board, is this just a matter of filing a ticket? | 15:31 |
| StylusEater | jlaska: yes it is. One moment, let me find the link. | 15:31 |
| adamw | and where's the Official List Of Board-Blessed Projects? | 15:31 |
| StylusEater | DefiningProjects | 15:31 |
| StylusEater | jlaska: basically it requires administrative stuff like reporting so the board can judge the long-term sustainability of the "project" | 15:32 |
| StylusEater | adamw: I believe here... Projects | 15:33 |
| jlaska | I have no idea what tasks/activities aren't currently done in QA, that would need to happen to get "project" status | 15:34 |
| adamw | the sub-projects list already isn't a 1-to-1 map of that list. but cool, thanks for digging this out | 15:34 |
| jlaska | so, where to go from here? Is this worth a mail to advisory-board@ to figure out what is needed to get blessing? | 15:35 |
| adamw | probably. | 15:36 |
| adamw | or a ticket would be better. | 15:36 |
| StylusEater | adamw: yw | 15:36 |
| StylusEater | QA is important so I figured I'd bring it up. | 15:36 |
| jlaska | well, that's the easy part, I can ask the dumb questions at least | 15:36 |
| jlaska | assuming this is just some wiki updates, this should be straight forward. Otherwise, we'll review any process gaps and decide how to proceed | 15:37 |
| adamw | i can do it too, either way is fine | 15:37 |
| jlaska | #action jlaska reach out to advisory-board@ for guidance on becoming an official project | 15:38 |
| jlaska | adamw: I don't mind either | 15:38 |
| adamw | you go for it then | 15:38 |
| jlaska | StylusEater: thanks for raising this topic | 15:38 |
| StylusEater | jlaska: yw | 15:39 |
| jlaska | #info StylusEater asked whether QA was a project or a SIG | 15:39 |
| jlaska | Anything else for Open-discussion | 15:39 |
| jlaska | ? | 15:39 |
| jlaska | otherwise, I think many of us are meeting'd out | 15:39 |
| jlaska | :) | 15:39 |
| jlaska | okay, let's set the fuse for 1 minute | 15:40 |
| jlaska | #topic Open discussion - last call | 15:40 |
| jlaska | 10 seconds ... | 15:41 |
| jlaska | Thanks for your time everyone | 15:41 |
| jlaska | I'll send minutes to the list this afternoon | 15:41 |
| jlaska | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
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