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== Summary== | == Summary== | ||
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-01/fedora-meeting.2009-09-01-05.00.html | |||
= | * 76 open rawhide bugs | ||
* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=518395: add @input-methods to Package Selection screen | |||
* fontconfig-2.7.2 in rawhide and f11 update | |||
* splitting up lohit-fonts | |||
* new ibus icon | |||
* harfbuzz indic test suit | |||
* FTBFS for knm_new-fonts, fonts-ISO8859-2, UnihanDb | |||
* ibus-anthy icon | |||
== Log == | == Log == | ||
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-01/fedora-meeting.2009-09-01-05.00.log.html | |||
{| | |||
|- id="t05:00:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting i18n | |||
|| [[#t05:00:06|05:00]] | |||
|- id="t05:00:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Tue Sep 1 05:00:06 2009 UTC. The chair is juhp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | |||
|| [[#t05:00:06|05:00]] | |||
|- id="t05:00:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | |||
|| [[#t05:00:06|05:00]] | |||
|- id="t05:00:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen | |||
| style="color: #818144" | hi juhp | |||
|| [[#t05:00:31|05:00]] | |||
|- id="t05:00:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | hi | |||
|| [[#t05:00:33|05:00]] | |||
|- id="t05:00:35" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | hi juhp | |||
|| [[#t05:00:35|05:00]] | |||
|- id="t05:00:37" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | fujiwarat | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | hi | |||
|| [[#t05:00:37|05:00]] | |||
|- id="t05:01:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | hi guys | |||
|| [[#t05:01:21|05:01]] | |||
|- id="t05:01:34" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | welcome to our biweekly i18n meeting | |||
|| [[#t05:01:34|05:01]] | |||
|- id="t05:02:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | phuang_ | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | hi | |||
|| [[#t05:02:30|05:02]] | |||
|- id="t05:03:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic [[I18N/Meetings/2009-09-01]] | |||
|| [[#t05:03:01|05:03]] | |||
|- id="t05:04:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | oops | |||
|| [[#t05:04:17|05:04]] | |||
|- id="t05:04:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic F12 | |||
|| [[#t05:04:23|05:04]] | |||
|- id="t05:04:48" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | beta freeze is at the end of this month - so about 4 hours of devel left | |||
|| [[#t05:04:48|05:04]] | |||
|- id="t05:04:57" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | ugh 4 months, lol | |||
|| [[#t05:04:57|05:04]] | |||
|- id="t05:05:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | this getting silly - 4 WEEKS | |||
|| [[#t05:05:08|05:05]] | |||
|- id="t05:05:48" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | any concerns about f12 schedule? | |||
|| [[#t05:05:48|05:05]] | |||
|- id="t05:06:39" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen | |||
| style="color: #818144" | juhp: What's our features in F-12? | |||
|| [[#t05:06:39|05:06]] | |||
|- id="t05:08:07" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I guess there are still various work/features we might hope to land this month - various some ibus improvements, yum plugin, xkb maps for indic inscript? | |||
|| [[#t05:08:07|05:08]] | |||
|- id="t05:08:36" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | any others I am forgetting? | |||
|| [[#t05:08:36|05:08]] | |||
|- id="t05:09:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: hmm might be good to list then for f13 on the wiki beyond official fedora features | |||
|| [[#t05:09:28|05:09]] | |||
|- id="t05:09:57" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | if no comments then let's move on | |||
|| [[#t05:09:57|05:09]] | |||
|- id="t05:10:13" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic rawhide bugs | |||
|| [[#t05:10:13|05:10]] | |||
|- id="t05:10:25" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?product=Fedora&version=rawhide&bug_status=__open__&emailassigned_to2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=fedora-i18n-bugs@redhat.com | |||
|| [[#t05:10:25|05:10]] | |||
|- id="t05:10:45" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | 76 open rawhide bugs we own or are tracking | |||
|| [[#t05:10:45|05:10]] | |||
|- id="t05:11:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone have any particular issues they want to discuss? | |||
|| [[#t05:11:30|05:11]] | |||
|- id="t05:12:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | bug 518395 | |||
|| [[#t05:12:30|05:12]] | |||
|- id="t05:12:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | buggbot | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=518395 medium, low, ---, anaconda-maint-list, NEW, add @input-methods to Package Selection screen | |||
|| [[#t05:12:31|05:12]] | |||
|- id="t05:12:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | looking increasingly unlikely | |||
|| [[#t05:12:43|05:12]] | |||
|- id="t05:14:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen | |||
| style="color: #818144" | juhp: So we still install every im by default? :-P | |||
|| [[#t05:14:27|05:14]] | |||
|- id="t05:14:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | that is what we are still doing for now | |||
|| [[#t05:14:46|05:14]] | |||
|- id="t05:15:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I don't really want to make any change until we have a reliable easy way of doing post-install | |||
|| [[#t05:15:15|05:15]] | |||
|- id="t05:15:36" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | perhaps we should just add a uninstall script to ibus ;-P | |||
|| [[#t05:15:36|05:15]] | |||
|- id="t05:16:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | heh | |||
|| [[#t05:16:30|05:16]] | |||
|- id="t05:17:10" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I noticed that ubuntu actually does something like that on their live spins: removing unwanted packages at the end | |||
|| [[#t05:17:10|05:17]] | |||
|- id="t05:17:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | of installation | |||
|| [[#t05:17:17|05:17]] | |||
|- id="t05:17:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | but anyway | |||
|| [[#t05:17:27|05:17]] | |||
|- id="t05:17:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | might make sense to uninstall IMEs for other langs at that time but that is another issue | |||
|| [[#t05:17:52|05:17]] | |||
|- id="t05:18:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: do you think it is worth the pain to turn off @input-methods for f12? | |||
|| [[#t05:18:52|05:18]] | |||
|- id="t05:19:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen | |||
| style="color: #818144" | juhp: But users have to specify want/unwant at some point anyway. | |||
|| [[#t05:19:02|05:19]] | |||
|- id="t05:19:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | indeed | |||
|| [[#t05:19:09|05:19]] | |||
|- id="t05:19:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: they can still do going down into the package customization menu | |||
|| [[#t05:19:38|05:19]] | |||
|- id="t05:20:05" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: hmm, dunno. it may depends on how many people uses IM on non-CIJK languages. | |||
|| [[#t05:20:05|05:20]] | |||
|- id="t05:20:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | of course appearing on the top-level would be much easier - though it doesn't solve the I only want one IME problem | |||
|| [[#t05:20:21|05:20]] | |||
|- id="t05:21:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: enough to make their questions common anyway iirc | |||
|| [[#t05:21:03|05:21]] | |||
|- id="t05:22:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen | |||
| style="color: #818144" | juhp: Not sure it is appropriate to specify the IM on regional setting. | |||
|| [[#t05:22:16|05:22]] | |||
|- id="t05:22:41" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen | |||
| style="color: #818144" | Kaio: What does Window 7/Vista do about this issue? | |||
|| [[#t05:22:41|05:22]] | |||
|- id="t05:22:48" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | phuang_ | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | dychen, it is a solution | |||
|| [[#t05:22:48|05:22]] | |||
|- id="t05:23:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: yeah perhaps better not to install and auto-install on login? though it is a bit annoying | |||
|| [[#t05:23:03|05:23]] | |||
|- id="t05:23:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: region setting? | |||
|| [[#t05:23:16|05:23]] | |||
|- id="t05:23:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen | |||
| style="color: #818144" | phuang_: Yeah , I think Win XP (and 2000 maybe) do in that way. | |||
|| [[#t05:23:44|05:23]] | |||
|- id="t05:23:49" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | anyway I am proposing to postpone this to f13... | |||
|| [[#t05:23:49|05:23]] | |||
|- id="t05:23:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | phuang_ | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | dychen, I think Window has different localization versions. And each version will install default IME for the location | |||
|| [[#t05:23:50|05:23]] | |||
|- id="t05:24:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | right | |||
|| [[#t05:24:04|05:24]] | |||
|- id="t05:24:07" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: yeah.. and that requires restarting desktop.. | |||
|| [[#t05:24:07|05:24]] | |||
|- id="t05:24:18" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm | |||
|| [[#t05:24:18|05:24]] | |||
|- id="t05:24:45" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen | |||
| style="color: #818144" | phuang_: They do, and for english version, you can also set IM in region setting. | |||
|| [[#t05:24:45|05:24]] | |||
|- id="t05:24:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: can't we starting ibus after that? | |||
|| [[#t05:24:53|05:24]] | |||
|- id="t05:25:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | and imsettings | |||
|| [[#t05:25:17|05:25]] | |||
|- id="t05:25:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: we can if we don't care of xim | |||
|| [[#t05:25:44|05:25]] | |||
|- id="t05:25:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | ah yeah | |||
|| [[#t05:25:52|05:25]] | |||
|- id="t05:26:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | well maybe for first session it is ok | |||
|| [[#t05:26:03|05:26]] | |||
|- id="t05:26:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | phuang_ | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | dychen, yeah. But it does't install IMEs in install-time. Or maybe installed some, but does not enable any ime | |||
|| [[#t05:26:42|05:26]] | |||
|- id="t05:26:45" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: or we can't - guess imsettings won't be installed without IM deps, so far at least. | |||
|| [[#t05:26:45|05:26]] | |||
|- id="t05:28:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen | |||
| style="color: #818144" | phuang_: Yes they do. You can tick the Asian language support during the installation. | |||
|| [[#t05:28:01|05:28]] | |||
|- id="t05:28:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: perhaps we could install imsettings by default? | |||
|| [[#t05:28:43|05:28]] | |||
|- id="t05:29:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | anyway | |||
|| [[#t05:29:08|05:29]] | |||
|- id="t05:29:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: yep | |||
|| [[#t05:29:21|05:29]] | |||
|- id="t05:29:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen | |||
| style="color: #818144" | phuang_: http://pcsupport.about.com/od/operatingsystems/ss/installxpnew2_3.htm | |||
|| [[#t05:29:30|05:29]] | |||
|- id="t05:29:57" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | phuang_ | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | dychen, right | |||
|| [[#t05:29:57|05:29]] | |||
|- id="t05:30:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | how is rawhide fontconfig? | |||
|| [[#t05:30:28|05:30]] | |||
|- id="t05:30:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | paragan | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | we got new fontconfig-2.7.2 in rawhide now | |||
|| [[#t05:30:53|05:30]] | |||
|- id="t05:30:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | bug 518161 | |||
|| [[#t05:30:56|05:30]] | |||
|- id="t05:30:57" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | buggbot | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=518161 medium, low, ---, besfahbo, NEW, "contains" expression seems not working on the fontconfig rule | |||
|| [[#t05:30:57|05:30]] | |||
|- id="t05:31:07" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | paragan | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | will be testing it with new lohit-fonts-2.4.2 | |||
|| [[#t05:31:07|05:31]] | |||
|- id="t05:31:16" | |||
| colspan="2" | * juhp notes it is being pushed to f11 too | |||
|| [[#t05:31:16|05:31]] | |||
|- id="t05:31:24" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | paragan: cool | |||
|| [[#t05:31:24|05:31]] | |||
|- id="t05:31:29" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | paragan | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | yes | |||
|| [[#t05:31:29|05:31]] | |||
|- id="t05:31:40" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | (should be interesting;) | |||
|| [[#t05:31:40|05:31]] | |||
|- id="t05:32:41" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | paragan | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | we also plan to split lohit-fonts in per font tarball release | |||
|| [[#t05:32:41|05:32]] | |||
|- id="t05:32:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm guess devel might have been enough for now ;) | |||
|| [[#t05:32:43|05:32]] | |||
|- id="t05:32:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | paragan: aha | |||
|| [[#t05:32:51|05:32]] | |||
|- id="t05:33:05" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | paragan | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | yes devel is enough for now | |||
|| [[#t05:33:05|05:33]] | |||
|- id="t05:33:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | (I meant fontconfig:) | |||
|| [[#t05:33:19|05:33]] | |||
|- id="t05:33:47" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | anyway hope there is time to test fontconfig in rawhide before f11 gets pushed... | |||
|| [[#t05:33:47|05:33]] | |||
|- id="t05:34:07" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | paragan | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | yes | |||
|| [[#t05:34:07|05:34]] | |||
|- id="t05:34:32" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | wonder if that is the only change | |||
|| [[#t05:34:32|05:34]] | |||
|- id="t05:34:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | splitting lohit-fonts will be really good for maintenance as well | |||
|| [[#t05:34:52|05:34]] | |||
|- id="t05:35:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: ok - sounds good then :) | |||
|| [[#t05:35:09|05:35]] | |||
|- id="t05:35:37" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | paragan | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | juhp, I see changelog which shows 10 commits since 2.7.1 | |||
|| [[#t05:35:37|05:35]] | |||
|- id="t05:35:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | aha | |||
|| [[#t05:35:46|05:35]] | |||
|- id="t05:36:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | paragan | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | 3 of them for Windows | |||
|| [[#t05:36:17|05:36]] | |||
|- id="t05:36:26" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | hm | |||
|| [[#t05:36:26|05:36]] | |||
|- id="t05:40:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | next topic ^^ | |||
|| [[#t05:40:44|05:40]] | |||
|- id="t05:40:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang_: the new ibus icon looks different! | |||
|| [[#t05:40:46|05:40]] | |||
|- id="t05:41:13" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | phuang_ | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp, You saw the new icon? | |||
|| [[#t05:41:13|05:41]] | |||
|- id="t05:41:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah :) | |||
|| [[#t05:41:19|05:41]] | |||
|- id="t05:41:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | phuang_ | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp, I have built the new ibus include the new icons | |||
|| [[#t05:41:27|05:41]] | |||
|- id="t05:41:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | different to the old one I mean :) | |||
|| [[#t05:41:30|05:41]] | |||
|- id="t05:41:35" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks | |||
|| [[#t05:41:35|05:41]] | |||
|- id="t05:41:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | just getting used to it :) | |||
|| [[#t05:41:43|05:41]] | |||
|- id="t05:41:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | phuang_ | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | No | |||
|| [[#t05:41:44|05:41]] | |||
|- id="t05:41:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | ? | |||
|| [[#t05:41:50|05:41]] | |||
|- id="t05:42:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | phuang_ | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | Just installed a set of icons in different size | |||
|| [[#t05:42:15|05:42]] | |||
|- id="t05:42:24" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | aha | |||
|| [[#t05:42:24|05:42]] | |||
|- id="t05:42:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | phuang_ | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | The last ibus uses 48x48, so the it looks not good | |||
|| [[#t05:42:50|05:42]] | |||
|- id="t05:42:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | ok | |||
|| [[#t05:42:56|05:42]] | |||
|- id="t05:43:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | any other topics to discuss today? | |||
|| [[#t05:43:08|05:43]] | |||
|- id="t05:43:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | harfbuzz indic test suit | |||
|| [[#t05:43:28|05:43]] | |||
|- id="t05:44:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | there are some discussion goind on harfbuzz list for making harfbuzz rendering engine compatible to new OT SPec | |||
|| [[#t05:44:01|05:44]] | |||
|- id="t05:44:07" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | recent rawhide seems ok to me mostly - though I had to install from a old-ish image to avoid anaconda backtraces | |||
|| [[#t05:44:07|05:44]] | |||
|- id="t05:44:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | same as Uniscribe | |||
|| [[#t05:44:17|05:44]] | |||
|- id="t05:44:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: I see - interesting | |||
|| [[#t05:44:21|05:44]] | |||
|- id="t05:44:37" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | does pango look ok? | |||
|| [[#t05:44:37|05:44]] | |||
|- id="t05:44:37" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | so behdad requested test cases for indic | |||
|| [[#t05:44:37|05:44]] | |||
|- id="t05:44:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | aha | |||
|| [[#t05:44:42|05:44]] | |||
|- id="t05:44:55" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | he want o/p as >OUTPUT: <1,0,0>,<5,10,30> | |||
|| [[#t05:44:55|05:44]] | |||
|- id="t05:44:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | >>Where the output tuples are glyph id, X and Y. | |||
|| [[#t05:44:56|05:44]] | |||
|- id="t05:45:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | hm | |||
|| [[#t05:45:23|05:45]] | |||
|- id="t05:45:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | anyone knows whats this glyph id and x, y?? | |||
|| [[#t05:45:38|05:45]] | |||
|- id="t05:45:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | i was trying to prepare first draft for same | |||
|| [[#t05:45:53|05:45]] | |||
|- id="t05:46:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe better to ask? | |||
|| [[#t05:46:09|05:46]] | |||
|- id="t05:46:13" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | hmm | |||
|| [[#t05:46:13|05:46]] | |||
|- id="t05:46:54" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | but new OT specs 1.6 has lots of changes | |||
|| [[#t05:46:54|05:46]] | |||
|- id="t05:47:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | many new feature tags are introduces in it | |||
|| [[#t05:47:06|05:47]] | |||
|- id="t05:47:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | for indic script | |||
|| [[#t05:47:17|05:47]] | |||
|- id="t05:47:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | might we will need to update lohit-fonts as well with this new feature may be | |||
|| [[#t05:47:51|05:47]] | |||
|- id="t05:48:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | http://www.microsoft.com/typography/SpecificationsOverview.mspx | |||
|| [[#t05:48:28|05:48]] | |||
|- id="t05:48:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: will we rename knm_new-fonts? | |||
|| [[#t05:48:59|05:48]] | |||
|- id="t05:49:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: hmm dunno - guess it might be a lot of work? | |||
|| [[#t05:49:30|05:49]] | |||
|- id="t05:50:11" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: hmm, sure - I'm not still fully understanding though. | |||
|| [[#t05:50:11|05:50]] | |||
|- id="t05:50:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | yeah, but firstly rendering engine need update w.r.t OT spec | |||
|| [[#t05:50:28|05:50]] | |||
|- id="t05:50:35" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | ah yeah | |||
|| [[#t05:50:35|05:50]] | |||
|- id="t05:50:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: not sure if/when that might happen? | |||
|| [[#t05:50:53|05:50]] | |||
|- id="t05:51:32" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins | |||
| style="color: #488888" | this work is going on for harfbuzz | |||
|| [[#t05:51:32|05:51]] | |||
|- id="t05:52:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: sounds like underscore breaks fontspackages, so might be easiest or as you mentioned do a workaround in package? | |||
|| [[#t05:52:03|05:52]] | |||
|- id="t05:52:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | aha | |||
|| [[#t05:52:08|05:52]] | |||
|- id="t05:52:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: right | |||
|| [[#t05:52:31|05:52]] | |||
|- id="t05:52:45" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | hope mailhot can fix droid issue before beta... | |||
|| [[#t05:52:45|05:52]] | |||
|- id="t05:53:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: well, that makes sense if we do get rid of any exceptions from the policy though. | |||
|| [[#t05:53:06|05:53]] | |||
|- id="t05:53:24" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: aha - so there are already other exceptions? | |||
|| [[#t05:53:24|05:53]] | |||
|- id="t05:53:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | there are some - not font specific but in the package naming policy. | |||
|| [[#t05:53:59|05:53]] | |||
|- id="t05:54:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | ok sure | |||
|| [[#t05:54:08|05:54]] | |||
|- id="t05:54:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: is knm_new installed by default for ja now? | |||
|| [[#t05:54:23|05:54]] | |||
|- id="t05:54:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: I don't think so | |||
|| [[#t05:54:43|05:54]] | |||
|- id="t05:54:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | ok | |||
|| [[#t05:54:46|05:54]] | |||
|- id="t05:55:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | paragan: do FTBFS have to be priority/severity high?? | |||
|| [[#t05:55:52|05:55]] | |||
|- id="t05:56:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | paragan | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | I guess no | |||
|| [[#t05:56:17|05:56]] | |||
|- id="t05:56:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | paragan | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | cause we are having source but just its upstream verification can not be done as upstream url is down | |||
|| [[#t05:56:43|05:56]] | |||
|- id="t05:56:58" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | paragan: for fonts-ISO8859-2 ? | |||
|| [[#t05:56:58|05:56]] | |||
|- id="t05:57:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | paragan | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | oh! is it set to high? | |||
|| [[#t05:57:17|05:57]] | |||
|- id="t05:57:41" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | all (3) of them, yes | |||
|| [[#t05:57:41|05:57]] | |||
|- id="t05:58:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: any idea about UnihanDb? | |||
|| [[#t05:58:02|05:58]] | |||
|- id="t05:58:11" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | paragan | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | then reporter considered it as High priority | |||
|| [[#t05:58:11|05:58]] | |||
|- id="t05:58:26" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | paragan: they are filed by ftbfs :) | |||
|| [[#t05:58:26|05:58]] | |||
|- id="t05:58:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | bug 511680 | |||
|| [[#t05:58:51|05:58]] | |||
|- id="t05:58:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | buggbot | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=511680 high, high, ---, pnemade, ASSIGNED, FTBFS fonts-ISO8859-2-1.0-20.fc11 | |||
|| [[#t05:58:52|05:58]] | |||
|- id="t05:59:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | bug 511482 | |||
|| [[#t05:59:01|05:59]] | |||
|- id="t05:59:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | buggbot | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=511482 high, high, ---, dchen, ASSIGNED, FTBFS UnihanDb-5.1.0-7.fc11.1 | |||
|| [[#t05:59:02|05:59]] | |||
|- id="t05:59:07" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | paragan | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | and that is nirik I guess | |||
|| [[#t05:59:07|05:59]] | |||
|- id="t05:59:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen | |||
| style="color: #818144" | juhp: That's because it tooks too long to build. | |||
|| [[#t05:59:08|05:59]] | |||
|- id="t05:59:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | please have a look anyway | |||
|| [[#t05:59:09|05:59]] | |||
|- id="t05:59:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: haha | |||
|| [[#t05:59:17|05:59]] | |||
|- id="t05:59:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm | |||
|| [[#t05:59:19|05:59]] | |||
|- id="t05:59:32" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen | |||
| style="color: #818144" | So I was profiling it. | |||
|| [[#t05:59:32|05:59]] | |||
|- id="t05:59:36" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | ok | |||
|| [[#t05:59:36|05:59]] | |||
|- id="t05:59:41" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I see | |||
|| [[#t05:59:41|05:59]] | |||
|- id="t05:59:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | please add a comment anyway | |||
|| [[#t05:59:53|05:59]] | |||
|- id="t06:00:34" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | anyway let's stop the meeting here if noone has anything else needing attention? | |||
|| [[#t06:00:34|06:00]] | |||
|- id="t06:01:40" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | fujiwarat | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | phuang_: tagoh3: Do you know any background of ibus-anthy icon? | |||
|| [[#t06:01:40|06:01]] | |||
|- id="t06:01:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | fujiwarat: scim-anthy? | |||
|| [[#t06:01:53|06:01]] | |||
|- id="t06:02:09" | |||
| colspan="2" | * paragan closed bug 511680 | |||
|| [[#t06:02:09|06:02]] | |||
|- id="t06:02:11" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | buggbot | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=511680 high, high, ---, pnemade, CLOSED RAWHIDE, FTBFS fonts-ISO8859-2-1.0-20.fc11 | |||
|| [[#t06:02:11|06:02]] | |||
|- id="t06:02:11" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | phuang_ | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | yeah | |||
|| [[#t06:02:11|06:02]] | |||
|- id="t06:02:13" | |||
| colspan="2" | * juhp wishes we could change it to something more meaningful | |||
|| [[#t06:02:13|06:02]] | |||
|- id="t06:02:34" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | fujiwarat | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | It's crown icon. | |||
|| [[#t06:02:34|06:02]] | |||
|- id="t06:02:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | phuang_ | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | ifrom scim-anthy | |||
|| [[#t06:02:38|06:02]] | |||
|- id="t06:02:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | from scim-anthy | |||
|| [[#t06:02:43|06:02]] | |||
|- id="t06:02:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | fujiwarat: or you mean the upstream story? | |||
|| [[#t06:02:43|06:02]] | |||
|- id="t06:02:47" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | phuang_ | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | I don't know why crown | |||
|| [[#t06:02:47|06:02]] | |||
|- id="t06:03:07" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | fujiwarat | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I checked anthy home page but there is no icon. | |||
|| [[#t06:03:07|06:03]] | |||
|- id="t06:03:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | fujiwarat: translating, ashie-san wrote "don't ask... ever" iirc | |||
|| [[#t06:03:15|06:03]] | |||
|- id="t06:03:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | in his blog long ago | |||
|| [[#t06:03:23|06:03]] | |||
|- id="t06:03:37" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | or maybe on the mailing list? | |||
|| [[#t06:03:37|06:03]] | |||
|- id="t06:03:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | fujiwarat | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | Personally I don't like the icon :) | |||
|| [[#t06:03:44|06:03]] | |||
|- id="t06:03:51" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | fujiwarat: me neither | |||
|| [[#t06:03:51|06:03]] | |||
|- id="t06:04:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I encouraged tagoh3 to change it for fedora for scim-anthy ;-P | |||
|| [[#t06:04:06|06:04]] | |||
|- id="t06:04:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | dychen | |||
| style="color: #818144" | fujiwarat: You can "borrow" gcin's jp icon. :-P | |||
|| [[#t06:04:08|06:04]] | |||
|- id="t06:04:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | it should be a user contribution - just a hope to becomes a king of japanese IM IIRC | |||
|| [[#t06:04:09|06:04]] | |||
|- id="t06:04:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | fujiwarat | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | tagoh3: thx | |||
|| [[#t06:04:15|06:04]] | |||
|- id="t06:04:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | fujiwarat: how about stealing an icon from uim say? | |||
|| [[#t06:04:44|06:04]] | |||
|- id="t06:05:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: what's the icon? | |||
|| [[#t06:05:04|06:05]] | |||
|- id="t06:05:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | like あ | |||
|| [[#t06:05:04|06:05]] | |||
|- id="t06:05:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | fujiwarat | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | It's ok if it was suitable from scim-anthy. | |||
|| [[#t06:05:16|06:05]] | |||
|- id="t06:05:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | fujiwarat | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | If it can be changed, I'd like to consider the design. | |||
|| [[#t06:05:52|06:05]] | |||
|- id="t06:05:55" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: it's not for IM icon but to indicate the input mode. they use the same crown for IME icon though. | |||
|| [[#t06:05:55|06:05]] | |||
|- id="t06:05:57" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | anyway my "secret" disruptive plan is to try to get rid of the ibus IME icons completely if possible ;o) | |||
|| [[#t06:05:57|06:05]] | |||
|- id="t06:06:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | do they? hmm | |||
|| [[#t06:06:15|06:06]] | |||
|- id="t06:06:55" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe I hid it or misremember perhaps | |||
|| [[#t06:06:55|06:06]] | |||
|- id="t06:07:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | haven't played with uim in a while anyway | |||
|| [[#t06:07:08|06:07]] | |||
|- id="t06:07:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | fujiwarat: anyway I support changing the ibus-anthy icon | |||
|| [[#t06:07:22|06:07]] | |||
|- id="t06:07:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | need to create new one from scratch if we want to replace | |||
|| [[#t06:07:22|06:07]] | |||
|- id="t06:07:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: why? | |||
|| [[#t06:07:38|06:07]] | |||
|- id="t06:07:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | fujiwarat: any ideas for a replacement? | |||
|| [[#t06:07:52|06:07]] | |||
|- id="t06:08:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: no better icons for _anthy_ I meant :) | |||
|| [[#t06:08:12|06:08]] | |||
|- id="t06:08:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I think あ icon would be an improvement | |||
|| [[#t06:08:28|06:08]] | |||
|- id="t06:08:48" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: aha - thought you don't like a crown anyway | |||
|| [[#t06:08:48|06:08]] | |||
|- id="t06:08:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I don't see a strong need for something anthy specific | |||
|| [[#t06:08:52|06:08]] | |||
|- id="t06:08:57" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: I don't | |||
|| [[#t06:08:57|06:08]] | |||
|- id="t06:09:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | fujiwarat | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | Yes, right. I just thought alphabet 'A' with red pen ;) | |||
|| [[#t06:09:21|06:09]] | |||
|- id="t06:09:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | it is completely meaningless IMHO | |||
|| [[#t06:09:22|06:09]] | |||
|- id="t06:09:47" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | fujiwarat: A for anthy? hmm I dunno | |||
|| [[#t06:09:47|06:09]] | |||
|- id="t06:09:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | (the crown I meant) | |||
|| [[#t06:09:59|06:09]] | |||
|- id="t06:10:26" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe we just need a different UI anyway | |||
|| [[#t06:10:26|06:10]] | |||
|- id="t06:10:40" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | at least the new ibus icon made me think so :-/ | |||
|| [[#t06:10:40|06:10]] | |||
|- id="t06:11:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: just imagine from "improvement" you are about to work on it which is based on a crown icon, but anyway. | |||
|| [[#t06:11:09|06:11]] | |||
|- id="t06:11:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | fujiwarat | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | Probably we may discuss this later. I just wanted to know the background. | |||
|| [[#t06:11:31|06:11]] | |||
|- id="t06:12:32" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: better crown? :) | |||
|| [[#t06:12:32|06:12]] | |||
|- id="t06:12:54" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: heh. you said you don't like a crown :) | |||
|| [[#t06:12:54|06:12]] | |||
|- id="t06:12:54" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | fujiwarat: I agree if anthy adopted some meaningful icon that would be better | |||
|| [[#t06:12:54|06:12]] | |||
|- id="t06:13:11" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: I just trying to parse :) | |||
|| [[#t06:13:11|06:13]] | |||
|- id="t06:13:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3 | |||
| style="color: #854685" | sure | |||
|| [[#t06:13:46|06:13]] | |||
|- id="t06:14:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | dunno I only suggested using something like uim's ja_hiragana.svg | |||
|| [[#t06:14:46|06:14]] | |||
|- id="t06:15:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | fujiwarat: sure - hope we can ship something better that makes sense | |||
|| [[#t06:15:17|06:15]] | |||
|- id="t06:15:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | fujiwarat | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | OK, I see. | |||
|| [[#t06:15:53|06:15]] | |||
|- id="t06:16:47" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks for bringing it up :) | |||
|| [[#t06:16:47|06:16]] | |||
|- id="t06:17:08" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #endmeeting | |||
|| [[#t06:17:08|06:17]] | |||
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Meeting
Time: 2009-09-01 0500 UTC
Place: #fedora-meeting on Freenode
Agenda:
- Releases/12/Schedule
- Bugs corner: rawhide bugs
- Harfbuzz Indic Test Suit
Summary
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-01/fedora-meeting.2009-09-01-05.00.html
- 76 open rawhide bugs
- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=518395: add @input-methods to Package Selection screen
- fontconfig-2.7.2 in rawhide and f11 update
- splitting up lohit-fonts
- new ibus icon
- harfbuzz indic test suit
- FTBFS for knm_new-fonts, fonts-ISO8859-2, UnihanDb
- ibus-anthy icon
Log
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-01/fedora-meeting.2009-09-01-05.00.log.html
juhp | #startmeeting i18n | 05:00 |
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zodbot | Meeting started Tue Sep 1 05:00:06 2009 UTC. The chair is juhp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:00 |
zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 05:00 |
dychen | hi juhp | 05:00 |
tagoh3 | hi | 05:00 |
pravins | hi juhp | 05:00 |
fujiwarat | hi | 05:00 |
juhp | hi guys | 05:01 |
juhp | welcome to our biweekly i18n meeting | 05:01 |
phuang_ | hi | 05:02 |
juhp | #topic I18N/Meetings/2009-09-01 | 05:03 |
juhp | oops | 05:04 |
juhp | #topic F12 | 05:04 |
juhp | beta freeze is at the end of this month - so about 4 hours of devel left | 05:04 |
juhp | ugh 4 months, lol | 05:04 |
juhp | this getting silly - 4 WEEKS | 05:05 |
juhp | any concerns about f12 schedule? | 05:05 |
dychen | juhp: What's our features in F-12? | 05:06 |
juhp | I guess there are still various work/features we might hope to land this month - various some ibus improvements, yum plugin, xkb maps for indic inscript? | 05:08 |
juhp | any others I am forgetting? | 05:08 |
juhp | dychen: hmm might be good to list then for f13 on the wiki beyond official fedora features | 05:09 |
juhp | if no comments then let's move on | 05:09 |
juhp | #topic rawhide bugs | 05:10 |
juhp | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?product=Fedora&version=rawhide&bug_status=__open__&emailassigned_to2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=fedora-i18n-bugs@redhat.com | 05:10 |
juhp | 76 open rawhide bugs we own or are tracking | 05:10 |
juhp | anyone have any particular issues they want to discuss? | 05:11 |
juhp | bug 518395 | 05:12 |
buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=518395 medium, low, ---, anaconda-maint-list, NEW, add @input-methods to Package Selection screen | 05:12 |
juhp | looking increasingly unlikely | 05:12 |
dychen | juhp: So we still install every im by default? :-P | 05:14 |
juhp | that is what we are still doing for now | 05:14 |
juhp | I don't really want to make any change until we have a reliable easy way of doing post-install | 05:15 |
juhp | perhaps we should just add a uninstall script to ibus ;-P | 05:15 |
tagoh3 | heh | 05:16 |
juhp | I noticed that ubuntu actually does something like that on their live spins: removing unwanted packages at the end | 05:17 |
juhp | of installation | 05:17 |
juhp | but anyway | 05:17 |
juhp | might make sense to uninstall IMEs for other langs at that time but that is another issue | 05:17 |
juhp | tagoh3: do you think it is worth the pain to turn off @input-methods for f12? | 05:18 |
dychen | juhp: But users have to specify want/unwant at some point anyway. | 05:19 |
juhp | indeed | 05:19 |
juhp | dychen: they can still do going down into the package customization menu | 05:19 |
tagoh3 | juhp: hmm, dunno. it may depends on how many people uses IM on non-CIJK languages. | 05:20 |
juhp | of course appearing on the top-level would be much easier - though it doesn't solve the I only want one IME problem | 05:20 |
juhp | tagoh3: enough to make their questions common anyway iirc | 05:21 |
dychen | juhp: Not sure it is appropriate to specify the IM on regional setting. | 05:22 |
dychen | Kaio: What does Window 7/Vista do about this issue? | 05:22 |
phuang_ | dychen, it is a solution | 05:22 |
juhp | dychen: yeah perhaps better not to install and auto-install on login? though it is a bit annoying | 05:23 |
juhp | dychen: region setting? | 05:23 |
dychen | phuang_: Yeah , I think Win XP (and 2000 maybe) do in that way. | 05:23 |
juhp | anyway I am proposing to postpone this to f13... | 05:23 |
phuang_ | dychen, I think Window has different localization versions. And each version will install default IME for the location | 05:23 |
juhp | right | 05:24 |
tagoh3 | juhp: yeah.. and that requires restarting desktop.. | 05:24 |
juhp | hmm | 05:24 |
dychen | phuang_: They do, and for english version, you can also set IM in region setting. | 05:24 |
juhp | tagoh3: can't we starting ibus after that? | 05:24 |
juhp | and imsettings | 05:25 |
tagoh3 | juhp: we can if we don't care of xim | 05:25 |
juhp | ah yeah | 05:25 |
juhp | well maybe for first session it is ok | 05:26 |
phuang_ | dychen, yeah. But it does't install IMEs in install-time. Or maybe installed some, but does not enable any ime | 05:26 |
tagoh3 | juhp: or we can't - guess imsettings won't be installed without IM deps, so far at least. | 05:26 |
dychen | phuang_: Yes they do. You can tick the Asian language support during the installation. | 05:28 |
juhp | tagoh3: perhaps we could install imsettings by default? | 05:28 |
juhp | anyway | 05:29 |
tagoh3 | juhp: yep | 05:29 |
dychen | phuang_: http://pcsupport.about.com/od/operatingsystems/ss/installxpnew2_3.htm | 05:29 |
phuang_ | dychen, right | 05:29 |
juhp | how is rawhide fontconfig? | 05:30 |
paragan | we got new fontconfig-2.7.2 in rawhide now | 05:30 |
juhp | bug 518161 | 05:30 |
buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=518161 medium, low, ---, besfahbo, NEW, "contains" expression seems not working on the fontconfig rule | 05:30 |
paragan | will be testing it with new lohit-fonts-2.4.2 | 05:31 |
* juhp notes it is being pushed to f11 too | 05:31 | |
juhp | paragan: cool | 05:31 |
paragan | yes | 05:31 |
juhp | (should be interesting;) | 05:31 |
paragan | we also plan to split lohit-fonts in per font tarball release | 05:32 |
juhp | hmm guess devel might have been enough for now ;) | 05:32 |
juhp | paragan: aha | 05:32 |
paragan | yes devel is enough for now | 05:33 |
juhp | (I meant fontconfig:) | 05:33 |
juhp | anyway hope there is time to test fontconfig in rawhide before f11 gets pushed... | 05:33 |
paragan | yes | 05:34 |
juhp | wonder if that is the only change | 05:34 |
pravins | splitting lohit-fonts will be really good for maintenance as well | 05:34 |
juhp | pravins: ok - sounds good then :) | 05:35 |
paragan | juhp, I see changelog which shows 10 commits since 2.7.1 | 05:35 |
juhp | aha | 05:35 |
paragan | 3 of them for Windows | 05:36 |
juhp | hm | 05:36 |
pravins | next topic ^^ | 05:40 |
juhp | phuang_: the new ibus icon looks different! | 05:40 |
phuang_ | juhp, You saw the new icon? | 05:41 |
juhp | yeah :) | 05:41 |
phuang_ | juhp, I have built the new ibus include the new icons | 05:41 |
juhp | different to the old one I mean :) | 05:41 |
juhp | thanks | 05:41 |
juhp | just getting used to it :) | 05:41 |
phuang_ | No | 05:41 |
juhp | ? | 05:41 |
phuang_ | Just installed a set of icons in different size | 05:42 |
juhp | aha | 05:42 |
phuang_ | The last ibus uses 48x48, so the it looks not good | 05:42 |
juhp | ok | 05:42 |
juhp | any other topics to discuss today? | 05:43 |
pravins | harfbuzz indic test suit | 05:43 |
pravins | there are some discussion goind on harfbuzz list for making harfbuzz rendering engine compatible to new OT SPec | 05:44 |
juhp | recent rawhide seems ok to me mostly - though I had to install from a old-ish image to avoid anaconda backtraces | 05:44 |
pravins | same as Uniscribe | 05:44 |
juhp | pravins: I see - interesting | 05:44 |
juhp | does pango look ok? | 05:44 |
pravins | so behdad requested test cases for indic | 05:44 |
juhp | aha | 05:44 |
pravins | he want o/p as >OUTPUT: <1,0,0>,<5,10,30> | 05:44 |
pravins | >>Where the output tuples are glyph id, X and Y. | 05:44 |
juhp | hm | 05:45 |
pravins | anyone knows whats this glyph id and x, y?? | 05:45 |
pravins | i was trying to prepare first draft for same | 05:45 |
juhp | maybe better to ask? | 05:46 |
pravins | hmm | 05:46 |
pravins | but new OT specs 1.6 has lots of changes | 05:46 |
pravins | many new feature tags are introduces in it | 05:47 |
pravins | for indic script | 05:47 |
pravins | might we will need to update lohit-fonts as well with this new feature may be | 05:47 |
pravins | http://www.microsoft.com/typography/SpecificationsOverview.mspx | 05:48 |
juhp | tagoh3: will we rename knm_new-fonts? | 05:48 |
juhp | pravins: hmm dunno - guess it might be a lot of work? | 05:49 |
tagoh3 | juhp: hmm, sure - I'm not still fully understanding though. | 05:50 |
pravins | yeah, but firstly rendering engine need update w.r.t OT spec | 05:50 |
juhp | ah yeah | 05:50 |
juhp | pravins: not sure if/when that might happen? | 05:50 |
pravins | this work is going on for harfbuzz | 05:51 |
juhp | tagoh3: sounds like underscore breaks fontspackages, so might be easiest or as you mentioned do a workaround in package? | 05:52 |
juhp | aha | 05:52 |
tagoh3 | juhp: right | 05:52 |
juhp | hope mailhot can fix droid issue before beta... | 05:52 |
tagoh3 | juhp: well, that makes sense if we do get rid of any exceptions from the policy though. | 05:53 |
juhp | tagoh3: aha - so there are already other exceptions? | 05:53 |
tagoh3 | there are some - not font specific but in the package naming policy. | 05:53 |
juhp | ok sure | 05:54 |
juhp | tagoh3: is knm_new installed by default for ja now? | 05:54 |
tagoh3 | juhp: I don't think so | 05:54 |
juhp | ok | 05:54 |
juhp | paragan: do FTBFS have to be priority/severity high?? | 05:55 |
paragan | I guess no | 05:56 |
paragan | cause we are having source but just its upstream verification can not be done as upstream url is down | 05:56 |
juhp | paragan: for fonts-ISO8859-2 ? | 05:56 |
paragan | oh! is it set to high? | 05:57 |
juhp | all (3) of them, yes | 05:57 |
juhp | dychen: any idea about UnihanDb? | 05:58 |
paragan | then reporter considered it as High priority | 05:58 |
juhp | paragan: they are filed by ftbfs :) | 05:58 |
juhp | bug 511680 | 05:58 |
buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=511680 high, high, ---, pnemade, ASSIGNED, FTBFS fonts-ISO8859-2-1.0-20.fc11 | 05:58 |
juhp | bug 511482 | 05:59 |
buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=511482 high, high, ---, dchen, ASSIGNED, FTBFS UnihanDb-5.1.0-7.fc11.1 | 05:59 |
paragan | and that is nirik I guess | 05:59 |
dychen | juhp: That's because it tooks too long to build. | 05:59 |
juhp | please have a look anyway | 05:59 |
juhp | dychen: haha | 05:59 |
juhp | hmm | 05:59 |
dychen | So I was profiling it. | 05:59 |
juhp | ok | 05:59 |
juhp | I see | 05:59 |
juhp | please add a comment anyway | 05:59 |
juhp | anyway let's stop the meeting here if noone has anything else needing attention? | 06:00 |
fujiwarat | phuang_: tagoh3: Do you know any background of ibus-anthy icon? | 06:01 |
juhp | fujiwarat: scim-anthy? | 06:01 |
* paragan closed bug 511680 | 06:02 | |
buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=511680 high, high, ---, pnemade, CLOSED RAWHIDE, FTBFS fonts-ISO8859-2-1.0-20.fc11 | 06:02 |
phuang_ | yeah | 06:02 |
* juhp wishes we could change it to something more meaningful | 06:02 | |
fujiwarat | It's crown icon. | 06:02 |
phuang_ | ifrom scim-anthy | 06:02 |
tagoh3 | from scim-anthy | 06:02 |
juhp | fujiwarat: or you mean the upstream story? | 06:02 |
phuang_ | I don't know why crown | 06:02 |
fujiwarat | I checked anthy home page but there is no icon. | 06:03 |
juhp | fujiwarat: translating, ashie-san wrote "don't ask... ever" iirc | 06:03 |
juhp | in his blog long ago | 06:03 |
juhp | or maybe on the mailing list? | 06:03 |
fujiwarat | Personally I don't like the icon :) | 06:03 |
juhp | fujiwarat: me neither | 06:03 |
juhp | I encouraged tagoh3 to change it for fedora for scim-anthy ;-P | 06:04 |
dychen | fujiwarat: You can "borrow" gcin's jp icon. :-P | 06:04 |
tagoh3 | it should be a user contribution - just a hope to becomes a king of japanese IM IIRC | 06:04 |
fujiwarat | tagoh3: thx | 06:04 |
juhp | fujiwarat: how about stealing an icon from uim say? | 06:04 |
tagoh3 | juhp: what's the icon? | 06:05 |
juhp | like あ | 06:05 |
fujiwarat | It's ok if it was suitable from scim-anthy. | 06:05 |
fujiwarat | If it can be changed, I'd like to consider the design. | 06:05 |
tagoh3 | juhp: it's not for IM icon but to indicate the input mode. they use the same crown for IME icon though. | 06:05 |
juhp | anyway my "secret" disruptive plan is to try to get rid of the ibus IME icons completely if possible ;o) | 06:05 |
juhp | do they? hmm | 06:06 |
juhp | maybe I hid it or misremember perhaps | 06:06 |
juhp | haven't played with uim in a while anyway | 06:07 |
juhp | fujiwarat: anyway I support changing the ibus-anthy icon | 06:07 |
tagoh3 | need to create new one from scratch if we want to replace | 06:07 |
juhp | tagoh3: why? | 06:07 |
juhp | fujiwarat: any ideas for a replacement? | 06:07 |
tagoh3 | juhp: no better icons for _anthy_ I meant :) | 06:08 |
juhp | I think あ icon would be an improvement | 06:08 |
tagoh3 | juhp: aha - thought you don't like a crown anyway | 06:08 |
juhp | I don't see a strong need for something anthy specific | 06:08 |
juhp | tagoh3: I don't | 06:08 |
fujiwarat | Yes, right. I just thought alphabet 'A' with red pen ;) | 06:09 |
juhp | it is completely meaningless IMHO | 06:09 |
juhp | fujiwarat: A for anthy? hmm I dunno | 06:09 |
juhp | (the crown I meant) | 06:09 |
juhp | maybe we just need a different UI anyway | 06:10 |
juhp | at least the new ibus icon made me think so :-/ | 06:10 |
tagoh3 | juhp: just imagine from "improvement" you are about to work on it which is based on a crown icon, but anyway. | 06:11 |
fujiwarat | Probably we may discuss this later. I just wanted to know the background. | 06:11 |
juhp | tagoh3: better crown? :) | 06:12 |
tagoh3 | juhp: heh. you said you don't like a crown :) | 06:12 |
juhp | fujiwarat: I agree if anthy adopted some meaningful icon that would be better | 06:12 |
juhp | tagoh3: I just trying to parse :) | 06:13 |
tagoh3 | sure | 06:13 |
juhp | dunno I only suggested using something like uim's ja_hiragana.svg | 06:14 |
juhp | fujiwarat: sure - hope we can ship something better that makes sense | 06:15 |
fujiwarat | OK, I see. | 06:15 |
juhp | thanks for bringing it up :) | 06:16 |
juhp | #endmeeting | 06:17 |
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