Meeting:Docs IRC log 20091029

Sparks	#startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings	00:00
zodbot	Meeting started Thu Oct 29 00:00:59 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	00:00
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quaid	oi	00:00
Sparks	#topic Roll Call	00:01
* Sparks		00:01
* rudi is here		00:01
* Sparks wonders if zodbot was asleep		00:01
* marwalk .		00:01
* jjmcd is here		00:01
* danielsmw is making ramen but will be back in 2:15		00:02
Sparks	#chair jjmcd	00:03
zodbot	Current chairs: Sparks jjmcd	00:03
* jjmcd wonders whether that is like alternate NCS		00:03
Sparks	jjmcd: Yes	00:03
Sparks	jjmcd: I know what happened last week.	00:03
jjmcd	Bah ... I guess I'll have to pay attention	00:04
Sparks	quaid: nice of you to join us tonight!	00:04
Sparks	Okay, on with the show!	00:05
Sparks	#topic Release Announcement	00:05
Sparks	Last week we decided that the Release Announcement needed to be complete no later than 10 Nov.	00:05
Sparks	I think there is already work being done on it.	00:06
Sparks	Would anyone like to step up and take on this project?	00:06
Sparks	This would be a quick project that would be good for a new or experienced member.	00:07
* jjmcd will be putting together the rpm around that time		00:07
Sparks	jjmcd: You're excused this time	00:08
Sparks	Well, I'll put out another plea later.	00:08
Sparks	#topic Release Notes	00:09
jjmcd	Isn't this one supposed to be mostly marketing?	00:09
jjmcd	OK, RNs	00:09
Sparks	jjmcd: How are things going?	00:09
jjmcd	Thanks to rudi, the GA POs went to L10N behind the original schedule but ahead of the current schedule	00:09
jjmcd	Also, I marked all the beats so folks don't sneak things in there	00:10
jjmcd	There were more changes than I would have liked, but it shouldn't be too bad for L10N	00:10
jjmcd	We had 4 or 5 bugs around mems size so I put in some weasel words that nobody will like	00:11
Sparks	Cool	00:11
rudi	Around 10% change	00:11
Sparks	Are we still on track for being on time?	00:11
jjmcd	yep, just waiting for L10N now	00:11
Sparks	Cool	00:12
Sparks	Did you get ownership/co-ownership of the RPM?	00:12
jjmcd	Nope, still waiting on reviews of maiden rpm	00:12
jjmcd	I'll email adam who volunteered to help off channel	00:12
Sparks	Hmmm... I don't like that you are waiting on the review of the rpm	00:13
Sparks	Do you have the attention of someone that is going to review it?	00:13
jjmcd	Not THE rpm, and rpm to get to be a packager	00:13
Sparks	Ahhh	00:13
Sparks	Okay	00:13
jjmcd	There are a handful of folks who have provided input, but idle a week so I'll ask Adam what to do next	00:14
quaid	+1 weasel words	00:14
jjmcd	Colin Powell always said you gotta piss somebody off sometimes	00:14
Sparks	I follow that rule way too often	00:15
jjmcd	rudi helped a bunch on some stuff i had forgotten how to do	00:15
jjmcd	that's a plus and a minus, plus I didn't spend a lot of time on it, minus i wasn't forced to remember how to do it	00:15
rudi	jjmcd -- you mean the git stuff?	00:16
jjmcd	No, the re-merging the po	00:16
rudi	Ah yeah. Hopefully noone will need to remember that soon :P	00:16
jjmcd	Well, I owulda screwed up the branch, too	00:16
rudi	Someone once called that stuff "stupid knowledge" -- the knowledge of workarounds and kludges :)	00:17
jjmcd	good assessment	00:17
rudi	But the upside is that I think we're getting better at working with L10N	00:17
jjmcd	Yeah, I think so	00:17
rudi	And in the F12-F13 lull, I'd like to document that	00:18
jjmcd	We still have some work to do tho	00:18
rudi	Indeed	00:18
Sparks	Okay, so do you need anything for the RNs?	00:18
jjmcd	no, i think we're good for now	00:18
Sparks	Okay. Moving on	00:19
Sparks	#topic Status on CMS (Zikula)	00:19
Sparks	#link Zikula#Module_status	00:19
* Sparks just remembers he needs to update his package on the wiki		00:19
Sparks	Okay, that's done.	00:20
Sparks	My accessory packages, polls and advanced polls, have been pushed to stable so all that should be ready to go	00:20
Sparks	Does anyone have any updates?	00:21
Sparks	We'll need to jump on this project as soon as F12 is out the door. I'd like to have this up and running by the end of the year for docs.fp.o.	00:22
Sparks	Of course that is an arbitrary date but one that will give us something to work toward.	00:23
Sparks	Anyone have anything?	00:23
Sparks	Okay, moving on	00:24
Sparks	#topic Status on CC license rollout.	00:24
Sparks	#link License_changeover_schedule	00:24
Sparks	I completed #7 earlier today based on a conversation I had with rudi last week and my regeneration of the SG over the weekend.	00:25
jjmcd	So now we just review against our checklist?	00:25
Sparks	I'm having problems regenerating the non-English versions of the SG, however, so I'll need some help with that but I think everything is squared away.	00:26
Sparks	checklist?	00:26
jjmcd	Well, step 8	00:26
Sparks	jjmcd: yes	00:26
Sparks	quaid: Did you get step 6 completed?	00:26
Sparks	I spoke with ianweller earlier and he said: the status of the license change is that it's half done in the staging branch and that i can't get to it today but i can maybe get to it tomorrow	00:28
Sparks	So that should knock out step 5	00:28
Sparks	Okay, maybe quaid will be back with us later	00:29
Sparks	Anything else?	00:30
Sparks	Okay, moving on	00:31
Sparks	#topic Outstanding BZ Tickets	00:31
jjmcd	I think I got all the F12 RN tickets this week	00:32
Sparks	I haven't checked them today but if everyone will go through the tickets and make sure everything is assigned and if you have any tickets assigned please make sure the notes are up to date	00:32
Sparks	jjmcd: +1	00:32
jjmcd	The note I put on each beat asks folks to submit a ticket for zero day changes	00:33
Sparks	cool	00:33
Sparks	Okay, anything else?	00:33
Sparks	#topic Guide needs?	00:34
Sparks	Anyone have any guides that need anything?	00:34
jjmcd	Looks like we might get some help on the ARG, we'll see	00:35
rudi	Not a need -- but a heads-up that the new F12 Deployment Guide is now on d.fp.o and Transifex...	00:35
jjmcd	goodness	00:35
Sparks	jjmcd: ARG?	00:35
Sparks	Oh	00:35
jjmcd	:-)	00:35
Sparks	rudi: Awesome	00:35
Sparks	jjmcd: I'm having git issues tonight... :(	00:35
jjmcd	Well it ain't near as frustrating as CVS	00:36
rudi	That's perspectival's awesomeness to thank	00:36
Sparks	jjmcd: CVS and SVN worked... I can't get anything OUT of git	00:36
Sparks	perspectival++	00:36
jjmcd	Well see, less work that way	00:37
Sparks	ya	00:37
Sparks	I haven't looked at the accessibility guide lately... that needs to be touched at some point	00:38
Sparks	Anything else?	00:39
Sparks	#topic New Guides	00:40
Sparks	Any new guides?	00:40
rudi	Ah -- I see I jumped the gun. Sorry!	00:40
Sparks	rudi: No worries	00:41
jjmcd	Is stickster writing the "Guide to bars in Toronto"?	00:41
Sparks	jjmcd: Is that a new guide? Publican or wiki?	00:41
jjmcd	Well, Paul being an XML sort of guy, I assumed...	00:41
Sparks	Well, we should encourage that to be put in the repo	00:42
jjmcd	He did great in Berlin, but he may have had help from Jeroen	00:42
Sparks	:)	00:43
Sparks	Okay, any OTHER new guides?	00:43
Sparks	#topic All other business	00:44
Sparks	Okay, does anyone have anything they'd like to discuss?	00:44
marwalk	did you see the F12 beta writeup in Ars Technica?	00:45
Sparks	anything? anything at all?	00:45
Sparks	marwalk: I didn't.	00:46
Sparks	marwalk: url?	00:46
marwalk	http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/10/ars-takes-a-first-look-under-the-hood-of-fedora-12.ars	00:46
Sparks	F11 had rough edges?	00:47
Sparks	Not as rough as F7, IMO.  :)	00:47
Sparks	marwalk: Thanks for the link!	00:48
marwalk	indeed :-)	00:48
Sparks	anyone else?	00:49
Sparks	Okay, well I'm closing it down!	00:50
Sparks	Thanks everyone for coming tonight.	00:50
Sparks	#endmeeting	00:50