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== IRC Log ==
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|- id="t18:00:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting Fedora Board IRC Meeting
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|- id="t18:00:49"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Fri Oct 15 18:00:49 2010 UTC.  The chair is jsmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#t18:00:49|18:00]]
|- id="t18:00:49"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#t18:00:49|18:00]]
|- id="t18:00:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | #meetingname Fedora Board
|| [[#t18:00:58|18:00]]
|- id="t18:00:58"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_board'
|| [[#t18:00:58|18:00]]
|- id="t18:01:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Open Q&A with Fedora Board members
|| [[#t18:01:19|18:01]]
|- id="t18:01:31"
| colspan="2" | * jds2001 here
|| [[#t18:01:31|18:01]]
|- id="t18:01:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | I guess we ought to do roll call, for the record
|| [[#t18:01:32|18:01]]
|- id="t18:01:44"
| colspan="2" | * ctyler waves
|| [[#t18:01:44|18:01]]
|- id="t18:01:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Board members who are here, please make yourselves known
|| [[#t18:01:45|18:01]]
|- id="t18:01:48"
| colspan="2" | * jsmith is here
|| [[#t18:01:48|18:01]]
|- id="t18:01:53"
| colspan="2" | * ctyler waves again
|| [[#t18:01:53|18:01]]
|- id="t18:02:08"
| colspan="2" | * jds2001 waves frantically
|| [[#t18:02:08|18:02]]
|- id="t18:02:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | OK, I see smooge and rdieter lurking...
|| [[#t18:02:27|18:02]]
|- id="t18:02:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | smooge
| style="color: #818144" | here
|| [[#t18:02:41|18:02]]
|- id="t18:02:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | smooge
| style="color: #818144" | sorry
|| [[#t18:02:43|18:02]]
|- id="t18:02:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | No worries
|| [[#t18:02:48|18:02]]
|- id="t18:02:51"
! style="background-color: #854685" | rdieter
| style="color: #854685" | yo
|| [[#t18:02:51|18:02]]
|- id="t18:03:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | As a reminder, we'll use our typical protocol as listed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board_public_IRC_meetings
|| [[#t18:03:05|18:03]]
|- id="t18:03:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Board members are encouraged to jump right in and speak
|| [[#t18:03:20|18:03]]
|- id="t18:03:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | And with that... let's go ahead and jump into Q&A
|| [[#t18:03:42|18:03]]
|- id="t18:04:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | rdieter: Thanks for your post to the advisory board list about the CWG
|| [[#t18:04:08|18:04]]
|- id="t18:04:26"
! style="background-color: #854685" | rdieter
| style="color: #854685" | figured we didnt have enough flames or bikeshedding lately. :)
|| [[#t18:04:26|18:04]]
|- id="t18:04:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | My bike shed is still white, and still needs a door before winter time rolls around :-)
|| [[#t18:04:50|18:04]]
|- id="t18:05:02"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | the bike shed shall be red!
|| [[#t18:05:02|18:05]]
|- id="t18:05:22"
! style="background-color: #854685" | rdieter
| style="color: #854685" | peuce
|| [[#t18:05:22|18:05]]
|- id="t18:05:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Ah, we have mdomsch here as well :-)
|| [[#t18:05:26|18:05]]
|- id="t18:05:39"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mdomsch
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | late as always
|| [[#t18:05:39|18:05]]
|- id="t18:05:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | No worries
|| [[#t18:05:53|18:05]]
|- id="t18:06:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Slow week -- no questions so far
|| [[#t18:06:24|18:06]]
|- id="t18:06:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | While we're waiting for questions, I'll let everybody know that I won't be around for Monday's meeting
|| [[#t18:06:43|18:06]]
|- id="t18:06:46"
| colspan="2" | * jsmith will be on a plane
|| [[#t18:06:46|18:06]]
|- id="t18:06:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | (again)
|| [[#t18:06:51|18:06]]
|- id="t18:06:59"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | oh, can you give someone the mod code then? :)
|| [[#t18:06:59|18:06]]
|- id="t18:07:07"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | we all sat around like idiots last monday :)
|| [[#t18:07:07|18:07]]
|- id="t18:07:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Sorry :-(
|| [[#t18:07:12|18:07]]
|- id="t18:07:14"
! style="background-color: #854685" | rdieter
| style="color: #854685" | 2 things to throw out as ideas to talk about: 1.  f15 name, where are we?  2. (plug) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rdieter/Draft_Fedora_Community_Working_Group
|| [[#t18:07:14|18:07]]
|- id="t18:07:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | As for the name, we're very clearly behind schedule on that (totally my fault)
|| [[#t18:07:35|18:07]]
|- id="t18:07:57"
| colspan="2" | * rdieter whips jsmith with wet noodle
|| [[#t18:07:57|18:07]]
|- id="t18:08:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_15
|| [[#t18:08:12|18:08]]
|- id="t18:08:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | The schedule is there as well -- we're accepting name nominations until the end of the day (UTC) on Tuesday the 19th.
|| [[#t18:08:44|18:08]]
|- id="t18:08:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | So not much more time to get your names in
|| [[#t18:08:51|18:08]]
|- id="t18:10:08"
! style="background-color: #854685" | rdieter
| style="color: #854685" | ok, gotcha.  get the word out.
|| [[#t18:10:08|18:10]]
|- id="t18:10:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Exactly :-)
|| [[#t18:10:24|18:10]]
|- id="t18:10:30"
| colspan="2" | * jds2001 votes for bacon! :D
|| [[#t18:10:30|18:10]]
|- id="t18:10:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | I posted to the announce list, but nobody ever reads those announcements
|| [[#t18:10:37|18:10]]
|- id="t18:10:48"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | it has ~10000 subscribers :)
|| [[#t18:10:48|18:10]]
|- id="t18:11:46"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | 10131 to be exact :)
|| [[#t18:11:46|18:11]]
|- id="t18:12:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Nice...
|| [[#t18:12:03|18:12]]
|- id="t18:12:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | The other thing we need to get the word out about is the elections cycle
|| [[#t18:12:13|18:12]]
|- id="t18:12:28"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | so is paul still going to take care of that?
|| [[#t18:12:28|18:12]]
|- id="t18:12:29"
! style="background-color: #854685" | rdieter
| style="color: #854685" | that too, fun.
|| [[#t18:12:29|18:12]]
|- id="t18:12:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll post a proposed schedule here shortly -- did anybody talk to Paul Mellors about being the wrangler?
|| [[#t18:12:34|18:12]]
|- id="t18:12:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | (It wasn't clear from our meeting on the 4th who was going to contact him)
|| [[#t18:12:50|18:12]]
|- id="t18:12:51"
| colspan="2" | * rdieter forgets who was tasked with that, hopes not him.
|| [[#t18:12:51|18:12]]
|- id="t18:12:53"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mdomsch
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I didn't.
|| [[#t18:12:53|18:12]]
|- id="t18:13:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Any volunteers?
|| [[#t18:13:04|18:13]]
|- id="t18:13:26"
| colspan="2" | * jds2001 was tasked with talking to inode0 who told me that Paul Mellors was it.
|| [[#t18:13:26|18:13]]
|- id="t18:13:43"
| colspan="2" | * jds2001 assumed that we didn't need to confirm with him, but we sure need to coordinate
|| [[#t18:13:43|18:13]]
|- id="t18:13:57"
| colspan="2" | * jds2001 will reach out
|| [[#t18:13:57|18:13]]
|- id="t18:14:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | I think it would be good to reach out to Paul, make sure he's still OK with being the wrangler, and coordinate a schedule
|| [[#t18:14:13|18:14]]
|- id="t18:14:22"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | !
|| [[#t18:14:22|18:14]]
|- id="t18:14:27"
! style="background-color: #854685" | rdieter
| style="color: #854685" | jds2001: thanks
|| [[#t18:14:27|18:14]]
|- id="t18:14:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | inode0: Go ahead!
|| [[#t18:14:42|18:14]]
|- id="t18:15:03"
| colspan="2" | * jsmith would like to open nominations for Board seats on the 25th (more or less)
|| [[#t18:15:03|18:15]]
|- id="t18:15:13"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | From all appearances and one report Paul is no longer active in Fedora, so I'd suggest just putting out a call for help to the community
|| [[#t18:15:13|18:15]]
|- id="t18:15:34"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | ouch.
|| [[#t18:15:34|18:15]]
|- id="t18:15:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | inode0: OK, that's good to know.
|| [[#t18:15:53|18:15]]
|- id="t18:16:04"
| colspan="2" | * jsmith calls up the community and asks for help
|| [[#t18:16:04|18:16]]
|- id="t18:16:38"
| colspan="2" | * jds2001 hears this loud voice from the sky asking for help with Fedora elections
|| [[#t18:16:38|18:16]]
|- id="t18:17:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll blog about it, and send something to announce list
|| [[#t18:17:23|18:17]]
|- id="t18:17:33"
| colspan="2" | * jds2001 can put something together, but it might not be timely. I'm at CPOSC this weekend...
|| [[#t18:17:33|18:17]]
|- id="t18:17:44"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | if someone just sets a schedule we can ask for help with town halls and questionnaires
|| [[#t18:17:44|18:17]]
|- id="t18:17:44"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | oh, if jsmith can then great :)
|| [[#t18:17:44|18:17]]
|- id="t18:18:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | inode0: I have a rough draft of a schedule... would you like to comment on it now?
|| [[#t18:18:01|18:18]]
|- id="t18:18:05"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | armed with specific tasks and deadlines makes it easier to commit
|| [[#t18:18:05|18:18]]
|- id="t18:18:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Step 1) Announce elections (now)
|| [[#t18:18:42|18:18]]
|- id="t18:18:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Step 2) Accept nominations and questions (10/23?  10/25?)
|| [[#t18:18:58|18:18]]
|- id="t18:19:03"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | sure, we normally post a rough draft to f-a-b for comments before setting it in stone
|| [[#t18:19:03|18:19]]
|- id="t18:19:48"
! style="background-color: #854685" | rdieter
| style="color: #854685" | time passes so quickly, it's shocking how quickly our little fedora is growing up
|| [[#t18:19:48|18:19]]
|- id="t18:19:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Step 3) Close questions and have candidates start answering questions (10/31)
|| [[#t18:19:51|18:19]]
|- id="t18:20:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Step 4) Answers due from candidates (11/4)
|| [[#t18:20:11|18:20]]
|- id="t18:20:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Step 5) Town Hall (11/10 through 11/17)
|| [[#t18:20:34|18:20]]
|- id="t18:20:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Step 5) Vote (11/17-11/23)
|| [[#t18:20:42|18:20]]
|- id="t18:20:52"
| colspan="2" | * jsmith has two step 5s :-(
|| [[#t18:20:52|18:20]]
|- id="t18:21:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Anyhoo, that's the rough schedule
|| [[#t18:21:00|18:21]]
|- id="t18:21:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll post it to advisory-board
|| [[#t18:21:06|18:21]]
|- id="t18:21:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | but if people want to make comments now, that's fine as well
|| [[#t18:21:17|18:21]]
|- id="t18:21:27"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | ok, looking at it on a calendar helps me
|| [[#t18:21:27|18:21]]
|- id="t18:21:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Note that this is an even-numbered release, so we have two elected board seats up for grabs
|| [[#t18:21:38|18:21]]
|- id="t18:22:01"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | and half of fesco and all of famsco - so it is a big election
|| [[#t18:22:01|18:22]]
|- id="t18:25:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | inode0: Yeah, it is.
|| [[#t18:25:54|18:25]]
|- id="t18:26:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Welcome spot_ ...
|| [[#t18:26:01|18:26]]
|- id="t18:27:11"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | welcome mizmo
|| [[#t18:27:11|18:27]]
|- id="t18:27:57"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | given past turnout at town halls I do think we should consider possibly trying to only schedule one per election, maybe for 90 minutes instead of two
|| [[#t18:27:57|18:27]]
|- id="t18:28:30"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | how do we do that in a world-friendly manner?
|| [[#t18:28:30|18:28]]
|- id="t18:28:48"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | ctyler
| style="color: #4d4d93" | l o n g    m i n u t e s
|| [[#t18:28:48|18:28]]
|- id="t18:28:54"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | you do it in a way the people running can attend
|| [[#t18:28:54|18:28]]
|- id="t18:29:13"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | ctyler
| style="color: #4d4d93" | and the rest can read the transcript
|| [[#t18:29:13|18:29]]
|- id="t18:30:10"
| colspan="2" | * jds2001 still thinks that may be difficult - sya you have someone from the west coast and india running
|| [[#t18:30:10|18:30]]
|- id="t18:30:37"
| colspan="2" | * jsmith prefers two meetings at different times, but is willing to defer to the person running the town hall meetings
|| [[#t18:30:37|18:30]]
|- id="t18:30:43"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | it is difficult, I've done it and know it is difficult
|| [[#t18:30:43|18:30]]
|- id="t18:31:00"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | doing it at two different times is about 4 times as difficult as doing it once
|| [[#t18:31:00|18:31]]
|- id="t18:31:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Yes, it is.
|| [[#t18:31:01|18:31]]
|- id="t18:31:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | OK, makes sense... I just want to try to be as inclusive as possible
|| [[#t18:31:23|18:31]]
|- id="t18:31:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | The entire world doesn't run on Eastern Daylight Time (or anything close to that)
|| [[#t18:31:39|18:31]]
|- id="t18:31:44"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | and often one or two candidates aren't available for both
|| [[#t18:31:44|18:31]]
|- id="t18:31:55"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | and that isn't really fair to them
|| [[#t18:31:55|18:31]]
|- id="t18:32:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Yeah... that's true as well.
|| [[#t18:32:24|18:32]]
|- id="t18:32:45"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | sure, whoever does it can decide - I'm just offering my impression of the town halls over the past couple of years
|| [[#t18:32:45|18:32]]
|- id="t18:33:24"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | it is a lot of work for both organizers and candidates - 20 people show up and most of those same people show up at both
|| [[#t18:33:24|18:33]]
|- id="t18:33:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | We certainly appreciate your insight... I've never done it before, so I'm obviously less informed about how things have worked in the past
|| [[#t18:33:58|18:33]]
|- id="t18:34:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | I've shown up to a couple of Town Halls as an observer, that's all
|| [[#t18:34:11|18:34]]
|- id="t18:36:11"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | if it helps to know, we almost never have any trouble at all getting volunteers to moderate town halls
|| [[#t18:36:11|18:36]]
|- id="t18:36:18"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | that is pretty easy to do
|| [[#t18:36:18|18:36]]
|- id="t18:36:32"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | getting someone to handle the questionnaire bit is harder
|| [[#t18:36:32|18:36]]
|- id="t18:39:00"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | well, and scheduling the town halls is hard too - running them is easy
|| [[#t18:39:00|18:39]]
|- id="t18:40:48"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | well, i think scheduling needs to be done after the candidates are known
|| [[#t18:40:48|18:40]]
|- id="t18:41:10"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | that way time zones of the candidates can be taken into account
|| [[#t18:41:10|18:41]]
|- id="t18:41:23"
| colspan="2" | * ctyler is loving whenisgood.net with TZs turned on
|| [[#t18:41:23|18:41]]
|- id="t18:41:50"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | correct, scheduling has to wait for candidates
|| [[#t18:41:50|18:41]]
|- id="t18:42:22"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | whenisgood always gets loud complaints too fwiw
|| [[#t18:42:22|18:42]]
|- id="t18:42:46"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | which isn't much until someone finds something better :)
|| [[#t18:42:46|18:42]]
|- id="t18:42:56"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | do these same people own PS3's?
|| [[#t18:42:56|18:42]]
|- id="t18:43:04"
| colspan="2" | * inode0 does not know
|| [[#t18:43:04|18:43]]
|- id="t18:43:22"
| colspan="2" | * jds2001 just finds it slightly hypocritical is all :)
|| [[#t18:43:22|18:43]]
|- id="t18:45:29"
| colspan="2" | * inode0 seems to recall most of those coming from fesco :)
|| [[#t18:45:29|18:45]]
|- id="t18:46:48"
| colspan="2" | * jds2001 doesn't recall complaining during his tenure in fesco :)
|| [[#t18:46:48|18:46]]
|- id="t18:47:15"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | anyhow, that's neither here nor there
|| [[#t18:47:15|18:47]]
|- id="t18:48:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | OK folks... twelve minutes until the top of the hour
|| [[#t18:48:37|18:48]]
|- id="t18:48:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Any questions/comments on other topics?
|| [[#t18:48:45|18:48]]
|- id="t18:48:57"
| colspan="2" | * nirik has issues with the interface, but that has nothing to do with it being free/nonfree. ;)
|| [[#t18:48:57|18:48]]
|- id="t18:49:07"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | bacon is good.
|| [[#t18:49:07|18:49]]
|- id="t18:49:38"
| colspan="2" | * jsmith likes bacon, but understands that others have a religious/cultural dislike for it
|| [[#t18:49:38|18:49]]
|- id="t18:49:58"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | inode0
| style="color: #4b904b" | I'm happy to help whoever volunteers to get their bearings
|| [[#t18:49:58|18:49]]
|- id="t18:50:11"
! style="background-color: #488888" | jds2001
| style="color: #488888" | cool, thanks inode0!
|| [[#t18:50:11|18:50]]
|- id="t18:50:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Awesome... thanks inode0
|| [[#t18:50:25|18:50]]
|- id="t18:54:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | If there aren't any other questions, I move that we end the meeting a few minutes early
|| [[#t18:54:29|18:54]]
|- id="t18:54:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Last call for questions...
|| [[#t18:54:46|18:54]]
|- id="t18:55:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Going once...
|| [[#t18:55:54|18:55]]
|- id="t18:56:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Going twice...
|| [[#t18:56:19|18:56]]
|- id="t18:56:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Sold to the fat-headed extra-terrestrial on the third row with the bright purple jacket and the glowing eyes!
|| [[#t18:56:57|18:56]]
|- id="t18:57:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | Thanks everyone!
|| [[#t18:57:01|18:57]]
|- id="t18:57:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jsmith
| style="color: #407a40" | #endmeeting
|| [[#t18:57:07|18:57]]
|}


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Revision as of 19:49, 30 November 2010

Minutes and full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-board-meeting/2010-10-15/

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jsmith #startmeeting Fedora Board IRC Meeting 18:00
zodbot Meeting started Fri Oct 15 18:00:49 2010 UTC. The chair is jsmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00
jsmith #meetingname Fedora Board 18:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_board' 18:00
jsmith #topic Open Q&A with Fedora Board members 18:01
* jds2001 here 18:01
jsmith I guess we ought to do roll call, for the record 18:01
* ctyler waves 18:01
jsmith Board members who are here, please make yourselves known 18:01
* jsmith is here 18:01
* ctyler waves again 18:01
* jds2001 waves frantically 18:02
jsmith OK, I see smooge and rdieter lurking... 18:02
smooge here 18:02
smooge sorry 18:02
jsmith No worries 18:02
rdieter yo 18:02
jsmith As a reminder, we'll use our typical protocol as listed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board_public_IRC_meetings 18:03
jsmith Board members are encouraged to jump right in and speak 18:03
jsmith And with that... let's go ahead and jump into Q&A 18:03
jsmith rdieter: Thanks for your post to the advisory board list about the CWG 18:04
rdieter figured we didnt have enough flames or bikeshedding lately. :) 18:04
jsmith My bike shed is still white, and still needs a door before winter time rolls around :-) 18:04
jds2001 the bike shed shall be red! 18:05
rdieter peuce 18:05
jsmith Ah, we have mdomsch here as well :-) 18:05
mdomsch late as always 18:05
jsmith No worries 18:05
jsmith Slow week -- no questions so far 18:06
jsmith While we're waiting for questions, I'll let everybody know that I won't be around for Monday's meeting 18:06
* jsmith will be on a plane 18:06
jsmith (again) 18:06
jds2001 oh, can you give someone the mod code then? :) 18:06
jds2001 we all sat around like idiots last monday :) 18:07
jsmith Sorry :-( 18:07
rdieter 2 things to throw out as ideas to talk about: 1. f15 name, where are we? 2. (plug) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rdieter/Draft_Fedora_Community_Working_Group 18:07
jsmith As for the name, we're very clearly behind schedule on that (totally my fault) 18:07
* rdieter whips jsmith with wet noodle 18:07
jsmith https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_15 18:08
jsmith The schedule is there as well -- we're accepting name nominations until the end of the day (UTC) on Tuesday the 19th. 18:08
jsmith So not much more time to get your names in 18:08
rdieter ok, gotcha. get the word out. 18:10
jsmith Exactly :-) 18:10
* jds2001 votes for bacon! :D 18:10
jsmith I posted to the announce list, but nobody ever reads those announcements 18:10
jds2001 it has ~10000 subscribers :) 18:10
jds2001 10131 to be exact :) 18:11
jsmith Nice... 18:12
jsmith The other thing we need to get the word out about is the elections cycle 18:12
jds2001 so is paul still going to take care of that? 18:12
rdieter that too, fun. 18:12
jsmith I'll post a proposed schedule here shortly -- did anybody talk to Paul Mellors about being the wrangler? 18:12
jsmith (It wasn't clear from our meeting on the 4th who was going to contact him) 18:12
* rdieter forgets who was tasked with that, hopes not him. 18:12
mdomsch I didn't. 18:12
jsmith Any volunteers? 18:13
* jds2001 was tasked with talking to inode0 who told me that Paul Mellors was it. 18:13
* jds2001 assumed that we didn't need to confirm with him, but we sure need to coordinate 18:13
* jds2001 will reach out 18:13
jsmith I think it would be good to reach out to Paul, make sure he's still OK with being the wrangler, and coordinate a schedule 18:14
inode0 ! 18:14
rdieter jds2001: thanks 18:14
jsmith inode0: Go ahead! 18:14
* jsmith would like to open nominations for Board seats on the 25th (more or less) 18:15
inode0 From all appearances and one report Paul is no longer active in Fedora, so I'd suggest just putting out a call for help to the community 18:15
jds2001 ouch. 18:15
jsmith inode0: OK, that's good to know. 18:15
* jsmith calls up the community and asks for help 18:16
* jds2001 hears this loud voice from the sky asking for help with Fedora elections 18:16
jsmith I'll blog about it, and send something to announce list 18:17
* jds2001 can put something together, but it might not be timely. I'm at CPOSC this weekend... 18:17
inode0 if someone just sets a schedule we can ask for help with town halls and questionnaires 18:17
jds2001 oh, if jsmith can then great :) 18:17
jsmith inode0: I have a rough draft of a schedule... would you like to comment on it now? 18:18
inode0 armed with specific tasks and deadlines makes it easier to commit 18:18
jsmith Step 1) Announce elections (now) 18:18
jsmith Step 2) Accept nominations and questions (10/23? 10/25?) 18:18
inode0 sure, we normally post a rough draft to f-a-b for comments before setting it in stone 18:19
rdieter time passes so quickly, it's shocking how quickly our little fedora is growing up 18:19
jsmith Step 3) Close questions and have candidates start answering questions (10/31) 18:19
jsmith Step 4) Answers due from candidates (11/4) 18:20
jsmith Step 5) Town Hall (11/10 through 11/17) 18:20
jsmith Step 5) Vote (11/17-11/23) 18:20
* jsmith has two step 5s :-( 18:20
jsmith Anyhoo, that's the rough schedule 18:21
jsmith I'll post it to advisory-board 18:21
jsmith but if people want to make comments now, that's fine as well 18:21
inode0 ok, looking at it on a calendar helps me 18:21
jsmith Note that this is an even-numbered release, so we have two elected board seats up for grabs 18:21
inode0 and half of fesco and all of famsco - so it is a big election 18:22
jsmith inode0: Yeah, it is. 18:25
jsmith Welcome spot_ ... 18:26
jds2001 welcome mizmo 18:27
inode0 given past turnout at town halls I do think we should consider possibly trying to only schedule one per election, maybe for 90 minutes instead of two 18:27
jds2001 how do we do that in a world-friendly manner? 18:28
ctyler l o n g m i n u t e s 18:28
inode0 you do it in a way the people running can attend 18:28
ctyler and the rest can read the transcript 18:29
* jds2001 still thinks that may be difficult - sya you have someone from the west coast and india running 18:30
* jsmith prefers two meetings at different times, but is willing to defer to the person running the town hall meetings 18:30
inode0 it is difficult, I've done it and know it is difficult 18:30
inode0 doing it at two different times is about 4 times as difficult as doing it once 18:31
jsmith Yes, it is. 18:31
jsmith OK, makes sense... I just want to try to be as inclusive as possible 18:31
jsmith The entire world doesn't run on Eastern Daylight Time (or anything close to that) 18:31
inode0 and often one or two candidates aren't available for both 18:31
inode0 and that isn't really fair to them 18:31
jsmith Yeah... that's true as well. 18:32
inode0 sure, whoever does it can decide - I'm just offering my impression of the town halls over the past couple of years 18:32
inode0 it is a lot of work for both organizers and candidates - 20 people show up and most of those same people show up at both 18:33
jsmith We certainly appreciate your insight... I've never done it before, so I'm obviously less informed about how things have worked in the past 18:33
jsmith I've shown up to a couple of Town Halls as an observer, that's all 18:34
inode0 if it helps to know, we almost never have any trouble at all getting volunteers to moderate town halls 18:36
inode0 that is pretty easy to do 18:36
inode0 getting someone to handle the questionnaire bit is harder 18:36
inode0 well, and scheduling the town halls is hard too - running them is easy 18:39
jds2001 well, i think scheduling needs to be done after the candidates are known 18:40
jds2001 that way time zones of the candidates can be taken into account 18:41
* ctyler is loving whenisgood.net with TZs turned on 18:41
inode0 correct, scheduling has to wait for candidates 18:41
inode0 whenisgood always gets loud complaints too fwiw 18:42
inode0 which isn't much until someone finds something better :) 18:42
jds2001 do these same people own PS3's? 18:42
* inode0 does not know 18:43
* jds2001 just finds it slightly hypocritical is all :) 18:43
* inode0 seems to recall most of those coming from fesco :) 18:45
* jds2001 doesn't recall complaining during his tenure in fesco :) 18:46
jds2001 anyhow, that's neither here nor there 18:47
jsmith OK folks... twelve minutes until the top of the hour 18:48
jsmith Any questions/comments on other topics? 18:48
* nirik has issues with the interface, but that has nothing to do with it being free/nonfree. ;) 18:48
jds2001 bacon is good. 18:49
* jsmith likes bacon, but understands that others have a religious/cultural dislike for it 18:49
inode0 I'm happy to help whoever volunteers to get their bearings 18:49
jds2001 cool, thanks inode0! 18:50
jsmith Awesome... thanks inode0 18:50
jsmith If there aren't any other questions, I move that we end the meeting a few minutes early 18:54
jsmith #topic Last call for questions... 18:54
jsmith Going once... 18:55
jsmith Going twice... 18:56
jsmith Sold to the fat-headed extra-terrestrial on the third row with the bright purple jacket and the glowing eyes! 18:56
jsmith Thanks everyone! 18:57
jsmith #endmeeting 18:57

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