ReleaseEngineering/Meetings/2008-jan-07

Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-01-07

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-!- Irssi: #fedora-meeting: Total of 78 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 77 normal]		<a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a>
poelcat	f13: meeting today?	<a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a>
f13	yeah	<a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a>
-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting		<a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a>
f13	ping notting jeremy jwb rdieter wwoods spot warren poelcat lmacken	<a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a>
jwb	yo	<a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a>
warren	yo	<a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a>
* lmacken		<a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a>
* spot is heah.		<a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a>
rdieter	word	<a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a>
-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - F9 Alpha!		<a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a>
f13	yeah, freeze for Alpha is 8 days away.	<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>
warren	yet another secondary arch?	<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>
notting	<klaxon starts sounding>	<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>
f13	my plan for today is to do a compose across the arches and see what pops as unresolvable deps	<a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a>
f13	those we'll want to focus on getting fixed	<a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a>
notting	jwb: are you doing the ppc composes?	<a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a>
spot	i'm going to do perl 5.10 soon.	<a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a>
warren	f13,  should we kick maintainers into fixing F8 > F9 issues?	<a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a>
spot	soon as in, today or tomorrow	<a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a>
jwb	notting, i believe that was the plan	<a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a>
f13	warren: if you'd like.	<a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a>
warren	f13, I'm still on vacation	<a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a>
notting	beyond unresolvable deps, do we have an idea as to what is completely hosed?	<a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a>
jwb	however i wouldn't be opposed if f13 did some	<a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a>
jwb	f13, do we have koji tags for this already?	<a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a>
f13	no	<a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a>
f13	we create the tag on Tuesday	<a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a>
notting	if we're not freezing, why do we need tags?	<a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a>
f13	or more likely monday night.	<a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a>
jwb	so you're just composing rawhide?	<a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a>
f13	notting: we need a tag to compose from.	<a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a>
f13	notting: it's a non-blocking freeze, we're not blocking rawhide from moving on	<a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a>
f13	we're just taking a snapshot of it and updating as releng sees fit to get the alpha out	<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>
f13	jwb: until tuesday yes.	<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>
notting	is it on releng to find new things that fix stuff, or people to ping releng?	<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>
f13	notting: installer is pretty hosed right now.  url method dead, network on x86_64 dead (haven't tried ppc)	<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>
f13	notting: both, and with QA involved.	<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>
jwb	video is dead	<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>
f13	yeah, X is not starting well during install	<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>
notting	aside from that, how was the play. mrs. lincoln?	<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>
f13	and logging into X is pretty dead from GDM	<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>
f13	at least logging into gnome	<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>
spot	intel X is pretty much hosed up too	<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>
jwb	gdm as a whole is dead	<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>
spot	GL ops fail, and X won't restart cleanly	<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>
f13	notting: so all in all we're in pretty good shape!	<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>
f13	oh and we're missing a good chunk of firstboot due to things up in the air.	<a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a>
lmacken	ship it!	<a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a>
jwb	f13, your compose configs are where again?	<a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a>
jwb	pungi repo?	<a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a>
* jwb blames xmas for killing most of his braincells		<a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a>
f13	jwb: yes, pungi repo.	<a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a>
f13	conversely the live image configs are in the live repo	<a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a>
jwb	aye	<a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a>
jwb	f13, were you planning on using the quad to do composes or no?	<a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a>
f13	so it's going to be a fun alpha.	<a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a>
f13	jwb: if I'm going to do any ppc testing, sure.	<a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a>
jwb	are you?	<a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a>
f13	I wouldn't be opposed.	<a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a>
f13	mostly I only have the ps3 left for ppc testing though	<a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a>
warren	wow	<a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a>
jwb	understood.  if you make the isos available, i can give them to omar	<a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a>
f13	yeah, I was hoping to upload isos in progress to koji.fp.o/releng/	<a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a>
jwb	excellent.  i'll also be doing some composes on my own, but you have about 2x the machine i do :)	<a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a>
f13	heh	<a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a>
jwb	at least until i get my new one	<a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a>
f13	Seth also has a new createrepo for me to try out	<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>
f13	so I'll be throwing that at the compose process too and trying to turn up any weirdness, which my useage set usually does	<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>
skvidal	and it might be broken! :)	<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>
* skvidal goes back to lurking		<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>
f13	lmacken will be handling the live image creations	<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>
lmacken	indeed	<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>
jwb	lmacken, i assume you won't be doing ppc?	<a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a>
lmacken	jwb: correct.. unless we want to do them, and I get access to a machine to do them on	<a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a>
jwb	that largely won't be a loss, as they were ppc32 IIRC	<a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a>
f13	lmacken: you could have access to the quad	<a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a>
jwb	lmacken, as for access...  the quad or dwmw2 would gladly give you access :)	<a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a>
lmacken	cool, so if we want to spin them, I'd be happy to do so	<a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a>
f13	the quad needs updating badly though.  I should do that soon	<a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a>
-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - FUDCon		<a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a>
f13	I'll be at fudcon this weekend, willing to do either barcamp or hackfest stuff surrounding releng	<a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a>
f13	I do want to have a bit of a hackfest to re-evaluate how we do rawhide and find some better ways of doing it	<a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a>
f13	more robust, less hack-o-doom	<a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a>
f13	also we have to really look at reversing the netapp stream and what that's going to mean for releng and associated groups like QA	<a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a>
jwb	something like debian experimental, debian unstable, and debian stable?	<a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a>
f13	jwb: no no, just the methodology we use to compose rawhide	<a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a>
jwb	oh good	<a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a>
f13	jwb: it's all kinds of whacky	<a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a>
notting	that's putting it mildly	<a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a>
f13	but it "works" for now, which is why we haven't touched it much	<a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a>
notting	f13: although, is it really *that* different than how alpha/beta/final is composed, aside from being automated?	<a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a>
f13	notting: there are some significant differences.	<a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a>
f13	not that how we do the other composes is great mind you.	<a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a>
f13	we really need koji run-root capability, but there are other things we can clean up in the mean time.	<a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a>
jwb	from an outsider, the largest complication is that it does it all internally to the builder network	<a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a>
warren	run-root meaning?	<a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a>
jwb	which, of course, is the speedy part	<a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a>
notting	warren: a way to run commands on another arch inside a mock-created chroot	<a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a>
f13	warren: a koji process to run a specific command in a chroot created from a specific tag.	<a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a>
f13	like say pungi	<a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a>
notting	because, wow, is pungify a horror	<a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a>
f13	yes	<a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a>
f13	notting: so perhaps we can sit down and clean up some of that this weekend.	<a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a>
f13	you know, right before we freeze (:	<a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a>
notting	heh	<a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a>
-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Discussion		<a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a>
f13	Anything anybody would like to discuss?	<a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a>
jwb	how are we going to handle the alpha tagging?	<a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a>
jwb	send email to rel-eng saying "i tagged this"?	<a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a>
f13	jwb: you mean releng people tagging things for the alpha?	<a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a>
jwb	yes	<a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a>
f13	We should use hte same methodology we did for previous freezes	<a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a>
f13	if we do one ourselves that's not externally requested IRC would likely work OK too	<a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a>
notting	subscribe rel-eng@fp.o to koji tag notifications :P	<a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a>
jwb	i don't foresee a large problem.  just curious	<a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a>
f13	notting: could do that.	<a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a>
f13	at least for that tag	<a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a>
jwb	except it doesn't tell you why	<a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a>
f13	right	<a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a>
f13	anything else?	<a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a>
wwoods	yeep. back	<a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a>
* wwoods reads scrollback quickly		<a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a>
f13	wwoods: I'll wait.	<a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a>
wwoods	I don't think url installs are broken (I just did one, and other than the 'user' command in kickstart causing a traceback, it worked)	<a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a>
wwoods	'course that means grubby didn't run, so it's not bootable...	<a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a>
wwoods	I'd really like to help straighten out the pungify / mash stuff. or at least help myself understand how we go from koji -> tree	<a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a>
wwoods	but yeah, I'll be going into Release Testing Mode soon	<a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a>
wwoods	and bothering people about bugs that screw up the alpha release	<a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a>
f13	wwoods: in boot.iso installs a sigsegv is thrown.	<a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a>
f13	wwoods: it's a newt issue, that is already fixed upstream.	<a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a>
f13	(upstream anaconda that is)	<a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a>
wwoods	gotcha	<a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a>
wwoods	this was network (using already-existing grub)	<a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a>
wwoods	anyway, yeah. nothing amazingly important to say. standard "oh shit oh shit release time" drill	<a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a>
f13	k	<a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a>
wwoods	I'll try to keep <a href="http://wwoods.fedoraproject.org/rawhide.html">http://wwoods.fedoraproject.org/rawhide.html</a> up to date	<a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a>
f13	k	<a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a>
wwoods	hopefully some of the hackfest time can go towards making that actually dynamic and automatic	<a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a>
wwoods	that's all I got.	<a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a>
f13	ok, if there's nothing else, ending in 30.	<a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a>

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