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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-01-07
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| -!- Irssi: #fedora-meeting: Total of 78 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 77 normal] | 13:03 | |
| poelcat | f13: meeting today? | 13:03 |
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| f13 | yeah | 13:05 |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting | 13:06 | |
| f13 | ping notting jeremy jwb rdieter wwoods spot warren poelcat lmacken | 13:06 |
| jwb | yo | 13:06 |
| warren | yo | 13:06 |
| * lmacken | 13:06 | |
| * spot is heah. | 13:07 | |
| rdieter | word | 13:07 |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - F9 Alpha! | 13:08 | |
| f13 | yeah, freeze for Alpha is 8 days away. | 13:09 |
| warren | yet another secondary arch? | 13:09 |
| notting | <klaxon starts sounding> | 13:09 |
| f13 | my plan for today is to do a compose across the arches and see what pops as unresolvable deps | 13:10 |
| f13 | those we'll want to focus on getting fixed | 13:10 |
| notting | jwb: are you doing the ppc composes? | 13:10 |
| spot | i'm going to do perl 5.10 soon. | 13:10 |
| warren | f13, should we kick maintainers into fixing F8 > F9 issues? | 13:10 |
| spot | soon as in, today or tomorrow | 13:11 |
| jwb | notting, i believe that was the plan | 13:11 |
| f13 | warren: if you'd like. | 13:11 |
| warren | f13, I'm still on vacation | 13:11 |
| notting | beyond unresolvable deps, do we have an idea as to what is completely hosed? | 13:11 |
| jwb | however i wouldn't be opposed if f13 did some | 13:11 |
| jwb | f13, do we have koji tags for this already? | 13:12 |
| f13 | no | 13:12 |
| f13 | we create the tag on Tuesday | 13:12 |
| notting | if we're not freezing, why do we need tags? | 13:12 |
| f13 | or more likely monday night. | 13:12 |
| jwb | so you're just composing rawhide? | 13:12 |
| f13 | notting: we need a tag to compose from. | 13:12 |
| f13 | notting: it's a non-blocking freeze, we're not blocking rawhide from moving on | 13:12 |
| f13 | we're just taking a snapshot of it and updating as releng sees fit to get the alpha out | 13:13 |
| f13 | jwb: until tuesday yes. | 13:13 |
| notting | is it on releng to find new things that fix stuff, or people to ping releng? | 13:13 |
| f13 | notting: installer is pretty hosed right now. url method dead, network on x86_64 dead (haven't tried ppc) | 13:13 |
| f13 | notting: both, and with QA involved. | 13:13 |
| jwb | video is dead | 13:13 |
| f13 | yeah, X is not starting well during install | 13:13 |
| notting | aside from that, how was the play. mrs. lincoln? | 13:13 |
| f13 | and logging into X is pretty dead from GDM | 13:14 |
| f13 | at least logging into gnome | 13:14 |
| spot | intel X is pretty much hosed up too | 13:14 |
| jwb | gdm as a whole is dead | 13:14 |
| spot | GL ops fail, and X won't restart cleanly | 13:14 |
| f13 | notting: so all in all we're in pretty good shape! | 13:14 |
| f13 | oh and we're missing a good chunk of firstboot due to things up in the air. | 13:15 |
| lmacken | ship it! | 13:15 |
| jwb | f13, your compose configs are where again? | 13:16 |
| jwb | pungi repo? | 13:16 |
| * jwb blames xmas for killing most of his braincells | 13:17 | |
| f13 | jwb: yes, pungi repo. | 13:17 |
| f13 | conversely the live image configs are in the live repo | 13:18 |
| jwb | aye | 13:18 |
| jwb | f13, were you planning on using the quad to do composes or no? | 13:18 |
| f13 | so it's going to be a fun alpha. | 13:18 |
| f13 | jwb: if I'm going to do any ppc testing, sure. | 13:19 |
| jwb | are you? | 13:19 |
| f13 | I wouldn't be opposed. | 13:19 |
| f13 | mostly I only have the ps3 left for ppc testing though | 13:19 |
| warren | wow | 13:19 |
| jwb | understood. if you make the isos available, i can give them to omar | 13:19 |
| f13 | yeah, I was hoping to upload isos in progress to koji.fp.o/releng/ | 13:20 |
| jwb | excellent. i'll also be doing some composes on my own, but you have about 2x the machine i do :) | 13:20 |
| f13 | heh | 13:20 |
| jwb | at least until i get my new one | 13:20 |
| f13 | Seth also has a new createrepo for me to try out | 13:21 |
| f13 | so I'll be throwing that at the compose process too and trying to turn up any weirdness, which my useage set usually does | 13:21 |
| skvidal | and it might be broken! :) | 13:21 |
| * skvidal goes back to lurking | 13:21 | |
| f13 | lmacken will be handling the live image creations | 13:21 |
| lmacken | indeed | 13:21 |
| jwb | lmacken, i assume you won't be doing ppc? | 13:22 |
| lmacken | jwb: correct.. unless we want to do them, and I get access to a machine to do them on | 13:22 |
| jwb | that largely won't be a loss, as they were ppc32 IIRC | 13:22 |
| f13 | lmacken: you could have access to the quad | 13:23 |
| jwb | lmacken, as for access... the quad or dwmw2 would gladly give you access :) | 13:23 |
| lmacken | cool, so if we want to spin them, I'd be happy to do so | 13:23 |
| f13 | the quad needs updating badly though. I should do that soon | 13:23 |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - FUDCon | 13:23 | |
| f13 | I'll be at fudcon this weekend, willing to do either barcamp or hackfest stuff surrounding releng | 13:24 |
| f13 | I do want to have a bit of a hackfest to re-evaluate how we do rawhide and find some better ways of doing it | 13:24 |
| f13 | more robust, less hack-o-doom | 13:24 |
| f13 | also we have to really look at reversing the netapp stream and what that's going to mean for releng and associated groups like QA | 13:25 |
| jwb | something like debian experimental, debian unstable, and debian stable? | 13:25 |
| f13 | jwb: no no, just the methodology we use to compose rawhide | 13:25 |
| jwb | oh good | 13:25 |
| f13 | jwb: it's all kinds of whacky | 13:25 |
| notting | that's putting it mildly | 13:25 |
| f13 | but it "works" for now, which is why we haven't touched it much | 13:25 |
| notting | f13: although, is it really *that* different than how alpha/beta/final is composed, aside from being automated? | 13:26 |
| f13 | notting: there are some significant differences. | 13:26 |
| f13 | not that how we do the other composes is great mind you. | 13:26 |
| f13 | we really need koji run-root capability, but there are other things we can clean up in the mean time. | 13:26 |
| jwb | from an outsider, the largest complication is that it does it all internally to the builder network | 13:27 |
| warren | run-root meaning? | 13:27 |
| jwb | which, of course, is the speedy part | 13:27 |
| notting | warren: a way to run commands on another arch inside a mock-created chroot | 13:27 |
| f13 | warren: a koji process to run a specific command in a chroot created from a specific tag. | 13:27 |
| f13 | like say pungi | 13:28 |
| notting | because, wow, is pungify a horror | 13:28 |
| f13 | yes | 13:28 |
| f13 | notting: so perhaps we can sit down and clean up some of that this weekend. | 13:29 |
| f13 | you know, right before we freeze (: | 13:29 |
| notting | heh | 13:29 |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Discussion | 13:30 | |
| f13 | Anything anybody would like to discuss? | 13:30 |
| jwb | how are we going to handle the alpha tagging? | 13:31 |
| jwb | send email to rel-eng saying "i tagged this"? | 13:31 |
| f13 | jwb: you mean releng people tagging things for the alpha? | 13:31 |
| jwb | yes | 13:31 |
| f13 | We should use hte same methodology we did for previous freezes | 13:32 |
| f13 | if we do one ourselves that's not externally requested IRC would likely work OK too | 13:32 |
| notting | subscribe rel-eng@fp.o to koji tag notifications :P | 13:32 |
| jwb | i don't foresee a large problem. just curious | 13:32 |
| f13 | notting: could do that. | 13:33 |
| f13 | at least for that tag | 13:33 |
| jwb | except it doesn't tell you why | 13:33 |
| f13 | right | 13:34 |
| f13 | anything else? | 13:37 |
| wwoods | yeep. back | 13:37 |
| * wwoods reads scrollback quickly | 13:38 | |
| f13 | wwoods: I'll wait. | 13:38 |
| wwoods | I don't think url installs are broken (I just did one, and other than the 'user' command in kickstart causing a traceback, it worked) | 13:39 |
| wwoods | 'course that means grubby didn't run, so it's not bootable... | 13:40 |
| wwoods | I'd really like to help straighten out the pungify / mash stuff. or at least help myself understand how we go from koji -> tree | 13:40 |
| wwoods | but yeah, I'll be going into Release Testing Mode soon | 13:40 |
| wwoods | and bothering people about bugs that screw up the alpha release | 13:40 |
| f13 | wwoods: in boot.iso installs a sigsegv is thrown. | 13:42 |
| f13 | wwoods: it's a newt issue, that is already fixed upstream. | 13:43 |
| f13 | (upstream anaconda that is) | 13:43 |
| wwoods | gotcha | 13:44 |
| wwoods | this was network (using already-existing grub) | 13:44 |
| wwoods | anyway, yeah. nothing amazingly important to say. standard "oh shit oh shit release time" drill | 13:44 |
| f13 | k | 13:45 |
| wwoods | I'll try to keep http://wwoods.fedoraproject.org/rawhide.html up to date | 13:45 |
| f13 | k | 13:45 |
| wwoods | hopefully some of the hackfest time can go towards making that actually dynamic and automatic | 13:46 |
| wwoods | that's all I got. | 13:47 |
| f13 | ok, if there's nothing else, ending in 30. | 13:47 |
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